#117 arrived safe in Norway.. 110$ in fees and customs! daaaaamn
For the Netherlands the same
WOW! You guy's fees & customs were cheaper then what Canada was hit. UPS charging $133 CDN. Thank god for @Horse2345 who recommending self clearing the box set. Only paid $66 total which was just the taxes. The added UPS service fees were dismissed.
#117 arrived safe in Norway.. 110$ in fees and customs! daaaaamn
For the Netherlands the same
WOW! You guy's fees & customs were cheaper then what Canada was hit. UPS charging $133 CDN. Thank god for @Horse2345 who recommending self clearing the box set. Only paid $66 total which was just the taxes. The added UPS service fees were dismissed.
What is self-clearing?
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Wait, are there honestly people who expected these to be new, limited, and improved pressings of each of their studio albums... but limited to 500 and not mentioned at all?
haha come on.
Actually, if you read some of my earlier comments about the pressings included and my hopes of what could have been included... you could see my point.
And new "improved pressings" of titles happen without having been "mentioned at all". Secret or 'under the radar' re-cutting of records happen all the time.
Kev, I'm glad you mentioned the repress of Vs and Vitalogy. I listened to them and thought something was wrong with my system as it sounded sub par where other records sound great.
I'm glad my ear is still good and can spot a bad pressing.
I've read about VS and Vitology reissues sounding bad. I have the OPs and the reissues from 2011 and did side by side comparisons of each a couple years ago. I'm playing the 2011 Vitology right now and I still think it sounds fine.
Of course it's a little different than the original, but I wouldn't say it sounds bad by any means.
Can those of you who don't like the RI elaborate on what is specifically wrong with it?
I don't want to start a debate or argument here.
Now, I start this with.. you hear what you hear. Some will like, some will not, but leave it up to yourself to find what you like.
In my opinion on my setup, the 2011 NRP cuts of Vs. and Vitalogy (which are the cuts included in the box) are remastered with lots of compression, not as much as the 2011 CDs.. but its still there. Vs is the worst offender Vitalogy a little better, but songs like Nothingman still come across way overly harsh. With these remasters I just think everything is flat, you are not immersed in the music.. it is kinda thrown at you. With the compression, I think the top end sounds cut off, no air to the sounds. One way I try to explain my thoughts on this to friends sometimes is that.. with good sound-stage, when you turn the music up louder and louder, close your eyes, the music envelopes you more and more with less the music tends to push you back farther and farther. The dynamics and sound-stage are only a percentage of what you here on the original pressings. If you have originals, just A/B them to see what you hear. In my case, the originals are WAY better. I NEVER play the remasters.
Now to the box, I feel they fumbled this one a iittle... because now with more research I have seen that a SST cut and repressing from MPO for Vs and Vitalogy DID occur in 2016.... why these cuts were not included in the box ..I guess we will never know. But if they had, then you could have had a very respectable unified box, having all reissues cut and pressed at the same plant.
How are the SST/MPO pressings of Vs and Vitalogy?
Haven't heard them yet. Currently trying to track them down.
Are these the 2016 euro releases listed on discogs? How do they compare to originals and 2011?
Finally got a 2016 EU repress of Vs. that was cut and pressed at Record Industry. From my first listen it is so much more open than the US NRP cut. Two songs that stand out on my first listen are Glorified G and Small Town. Daughter also seems much flatter on the NRP cut. I will take a closer A/B listen later, but I would recommend any one interested in A/Bing different cuts to seek out better sound to take a look at these.
Wait, are there honestly people who expected these to be new, limited, and improved pressings of each of their studio albums... but limited to 500 and not mentioned at all?
haha come on.
Actually, if you read some of my earlier comments about the pressings included and my hopes of what could have been included... you could see my point.
And new "improved pressings" of titles happen without having been "mentioned at all". Secret or 'under the radar' re-cutting of records happen all the time.
Kev, I'm glad you mentioned the repress of Vs and Vitalogy. I listened to them and thought something was wrong with my system as it sounded sub par where other records sound great.
I'm glad my ear is still good and can spot a bad pressing.
I've read about VS and Vitology reissues sounding bad. I have the OPs and the reissues from 2011 and did side by side comparisons of each a couple years ago. I'm playing the 2011 Vitology right now and I still think it sounds fine.
Of course it's a little different than the original, but I wouldn't say it sounds bad by any means.
Can those of you who don't like the RI elaborate on what is specifically wrong with it?
I don't want to start a debate or argument here.
Now, I start this with.. you hear what you hear. Some will like, some will not, but leave it up to yourself to find what you like.
In my opinion on my setup, the 2011 NRP cuts of Vs. and Vitalogy (which are the cuts included in the box) are remastered with lots of compression, not as much as the 2011 CDs.. but its still there. Vs is the worst offender Vitalogy a little better, but songs like Nothingman still come across way overly harsh. With these remasters I just think everything is flat, you are not immersed in the music.. it is kinda thrown at you. With the compression, I think the top end sounds cut off, no air to the sounds. One way I try to explain my thoughts on this to friends sometimes is that.. with good sound-stage, when you turn the music up louder and louder, close your eyes, the music envelopes you more and more with less the music tends to push you back farther and farther. The dynamics and sound-stage are only a percentage of what you here on the original pressings. If you have originals, just A/B them to see what you hear. In my case, the originals are WAY better. I NEVER play the remasters.
Now to the box, I feel they fumbled this one a iittle... because now with more research I have seen that a SST cut and repressing from MPO for Vs and Vitalogy DID occur in 2016.... why these cuts were not included in the box ..I guess we will never know. But if they had, then you could have had a very respectable unified box, having all reissues cut and pressed at the same plant.
How are the SST/MPO pressings of Vs and Vitalogy?
Haven't heard them yet. Currently trying to track them down.
Are these the 2016 euro releases listed on discogs? How do they compare to originals and 2011?
Finally got a 2016 EU repress of Vs. that was cut and pressed at Record Industry. From my first listen it is so much more open than the US NRP cut. Two songs that stand out on my first listen are Glorified G and Small Town. Daughter also seems much flatter on the NRP cut. I will take a closer A/B listen later, but I would recommend any one interested in A/Bing different cuts to seek out better sound to take a look at these.
Wait, are there honestly people who expected these to be new, limited, and improved pressings of each of their studio albums... but limited to 500 and not mentioned at all?
haha come on.
Actually, if you read some of my earlier comments about the pressings included and my hopes of what could have been included... you could see my point.
And new "improved pressings" of titles happen without having been "mentioned at all". Secret or 'under the radar' re-cutting of records happen all the time.
Kev, I'm glad you mentioned the repress of Vs and Vitalogy. I listened to them and thought something was wrong with my system as it sounded sub par where other records sound great.
I'm glad my ear is still good and can spot a bad pressing.
I've read about VS and Vitology reissues sounding bad. I have the OPs and the reissues from 2011 and did side by side comparisons of each a couple years ago. I'm playing the 2011 Vitology right now and I still think it sounds fine.
Of course it's a little different than the original, but I wouldn't say it sounds bad by any means.
Can those of you who don't like the RI elaborate on what is specifically wrong with it?
I don't want to start a debate or argument here.
Now, I start this with.. you hear what you hear. Some will like, some will not, but leave it up to yourself to find what you like.
In my opinion on my setup, the 2011 NRP cuts of Vs. and Vitalogy (which are the cuts included in the box) are remastered with lots of compression, not as much as the 2011 CDs.. but its still there. Vs is the worst offender Vitalogy a little better, but songs like Nothingman still come across way overly harsh. With these remasters I just think everything is flat, you are not immersed in the music.. it is kinda thrown at you. With the compression, I think the top end sounds cut off, no air to the sounds. One way I try to explain my thoughts on this to friends sometimes is that.. with good sound-stage, when you turn the music up louder and louder, close your eyes, the music envelopes you more and more with less the music tends to push you back farther and farther. The dynamics and sound-stage are only a percentage of what you here on the original pressings. If you have originals, just A/B them to see what you hear. In my case, the originals are WAY better. I NEVER play the remasters.
Now to the box, I feel they fumbled this one a iittle... because now with more research I have seen that a SST cut and repressing from MPO for Vs and Vitalogy DID occur in 2016.... why these cuts were not included in the box ..I guess we will never know. But if they had, then you could have had a very respectable unified box, having all reissues cut and pressed at the same plant.
How are the SST/MPO pressings of Vs and Vitalogy?
Haven't heard them yet. Currently trying to track them down.
Are these the 2016 euro releases listed on discogs? How do they compare to originals and 2011?
Finally got a 2016 EU repress of Vs. that was cut and pressed at Record Industry. From my first listen it is so much more open than the US NRP cut. Two songs that stand out on my first listen are Glorified G and Small Town. Daughter also seems much flatter on the NRP cut. I will take a closer A/B listen later, but I would recommend any one interested in A/Bing different cuts to seek out better sound to take a look at these.
Where did you get it?
Discogs, just make sure you get it from a Euro dealer. I would be afraid a US dealer would just have theirs mid labeled.
So I just got my Re-issue vinyls of Riot Act, self titled and Binaural and they were all sealed as where my complete box set vinyls were not sealed...
Really weird...
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Took a chance today and bought another new copy of Vs. from my record store to see if they indeed have had a secret repress with a new cut pressed at MPO like the other reissues..... and ..... they have..lol
So the one I picked up today is cut at SST and pressed at MPO, so now I can replace the one in my 'Complete' studio box set with this one. Now all the reissues will match if I can find the MPO Vitalogy (which I know exist, just gotta get lucky to find one.)
So looking at my Vs. collection today, I currently have 6 different cuts. Prolly wouldn't hurt to pick up the 2011 EU MOV cut. 1. Original US cut 2. Original EU cut 3. Original South Korean cut 4. 2011 US NRP cut 5. 2016 EU Record Industry cut 6. 2016 SST Cut
Numbers 1-3 = Original Mastering Numbers 4-6 = Remastered
All different cuts however and can have subtle to majorly different sounds.
Again, disappointed to see the 2011 cut included in the box, but I guess I can spend a few more dollars to make the box more complete.
Took a chance today and bought another new copy of Vs. from my record store to see if they indeed have had a secret repress with a new cut pressed at MPO like the other reissues..... and ..... they have..lol
So the one I picked up today is cut at SST and pressed at MPO, so now I can replace the one in my 'Complete' studio box set with this one. Now all the reissues will match if I can find the MPO Vitalogy (which I know exist, just gotta get lucky to find one.)
So looking at my Vs. collection today, I currently have 6 different cuts. Prolly wouldn't hurt to pick up the 2011 EU MOV cut. 1. Original US cut 2. Original EU cut 3. Original South Korean cut 4. 2011 US NRP cut 5. 2016 EU Record Industry cut 6. 2016 SST Cut
Numbers 1-3 = Original Mastering Numbers 4-6 = Remastered
All different cuts however and can have subtle to majorly different sounds.
Again, disappointed to see the 2011 cut included in the box, but I guess I can spend a few more dollars to make the box more complete.
have you compared the 2016 Euro press to the 2016 US pressing?
just trying to figure out the best version of the remaster to purchase as I only have the OG right now.
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2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
2017- ED VED- Louisville, KY
2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2
2020- Nashville, TN
2022- Smashville
2023- Austin, TX x2
2024- Baltimore
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Took a chance today and bought another new copy of Vs. from my record store to see if they indeed have had a secret repress with a new cut pressed at MPO like the other reissues..... and ..... they have..lol
So the one I picked up today is cut at SST and pressed at MPO, so now I can replace the one in my 'Complete' studio box set with this one. Now all the reissues will match if I can find the MPO Vitalogy (which I know exist, just gotta get lucky to find one.)
So looking at my Vs. collection today, I currently have 6 different cuts. Prolly wouldn't hurt to pick up the 2011 EU MOV cut. 1. Original US cut 2. Original EU cut 3. Original South Korean cut 4. 2011 US NRP cut 5. 2016 EU Record Industry cut 6. 2016 SST Cut
Numbers 1-3 = Original Mastering Numbers 4-6 = Remastered
All different cuts however and can have subtle to majorly different sounds.
Again, disappointed to see the 2011 cut included in the box, but I guess I can spend a few more dollars to make the box more complete.
Took a chance today and bought another new copy of Vs. from my record store to see if they indeed have had a secret repress with a new cut pressed at MPO like the other reissues..... and ..... they have..lol
So the one I picked up today is cut at SST and pressed at MPO, so now I can replace the one in my 'Complete' studio box set with this one. Now all the reissues will match if I can find the MPO Vitalogy (which I know exist, just gotta get lucky to find one.)
So looking at my Vs. collection today, I currently have 6 different cuts. Prolly wouldn't hurt to pick up the 2011 EU MOV cut. 1. Original US cut 2. Original EU cut 3. Original South Korean cut 4. 2011 US NRP cut 5. 2016 EU Record Industry cut 6. 2016 SST Cut
Numbers 1-3 = Original Mastering Numbers 4-6 = Remastered
All different cuts however and can have subtle to majorly different sounds.
Again, disappointed to see the 2011 cut included in the box, but I guess I can spend a few more dollars to make the box more complete.
have you compared the 2016 Euro press to the 2016 US pressing?
just trying to figure out the best version of the remaster to purchase as I only have the OG right now.
I am trying to find some time to listen critically. I will definitely let you know when I am able to A/B them both.
Took a chance today and bought another new copy of Vs. from my record store to see if they indeed have had a secret repress with a new cut pressed at MPO like the other reissues..... and ..... they have..lol
So the one I picked up today is cut at SST and pressed at MPO, so now I can replace the one in my 'Complete' studio box set with this one. Now all the reissues will match if I can find the MPO Vitalogy (which I know exist, just gotta get lucky to find one.)
So looking at my Vs. collection today, I currently have 6 different cuts. Prolly wouldn't hurt to pick up the 2011 EU MOV cut. 1. Original US cut 2. Original EU cut 3. Original South Korean cut 4. 2011 US NRP cut 5. 2016 EU Record Industry cut 6. 2016 SST Cut
Numbers 1-3 = Original Mastering Numbers 4-6 = Remastered
All different cuts however and can have subtle to majorly different sounds.
Again, disappointed to see the 2011 cut included in the box, but I guess I can spend a few more dollars to make the box more complete.
US OG the best?
Hopefully have some time soon to A/B them. The original is very good, but I love that album.
So I just got my Re-issue vinyls of Riot Act, self titled and Binaural and they were all sealed as where my complete box set vinyls were not sealed...
Really weird...
It is totally weird while only Backspacer & Lightning Bolt are the only vinyl sealed in the box set.
Yes, it is totally weird to have any sealed albums inside a boxset. Some people seem to think that all of them should be sealed just because 2 are, but in fact none of them should be if you're going off of what's normally done. I know I've never bought a boxset where the albums inside it are individually sealed.
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2020 : ?
Really weird...
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Listen to the Cincinnati 10/1/14 show. Right before SOLAT, Ed tells a REALLY FUNNY 420 story.
So the one I picked up today is cut at SST and pressed at MPO, so now I can replace the one in my 'Complete' studio box set with this one. Now all the reissues will match if I can find the MPO Vitalogy (which I know exist, just gotta get lucky to find one.)
So looking at my Vs. collection today, I currently have 6 different cuts. Prolly wouldn't hurt to pick up the 2011 EU MOV cut.
1. Original US cut
2. Original EU cut
3. Original South Korean cut
4. 2011 US NRP cut
5. 2016 EU Record Industry cut
6. 2016 SST Cut
Numbers 1-3 = Original Mastering
Numbers 4-6 = Remastered
All different cuts however and can have subtle to majorly different sounds.
Again, disappointed to see the 2011 cut included in the box, but I guess I can spend a few more dollars to make the box more complete.
have you compared the 2016 Euro press to the 2016 US pressing?
just trying to figure out the best version of the remaster to purchase as I only have the OG right now.
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1996- Charleston, SC
1998- Atlanta, GA: Birmingham, AL: Greenville, SC: Knoxville, TN
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
2017- ED VED- Louisville, KY
2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2
2020- Nashville, TN
2022- Smashville
2023- Austin, TX x2
2024- Baltimore
Hopefully have some time soon to A/B them. The original is very good, but I love that album.