Wildfire(s) Out West

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

Judge: Teen must repay $37 million for starting wildfire along Columbia River Gorge

http://q13fox.com/2018/05/21/judge-teen-must-repay-37-million-for-starting-wildfire-along-columbia-river-gorge/

The headlines a little misleading ...

From the article.."The boy can set up a payment plan, though payments can be halted after 10 years as long as he complies, completes probation and doesn't commit other crimes."

I

In a way, I feel a bit sorry for the kid.  Boys do dumb things.  But this was major dumb and money alone will not undo the damage.  The kid will never pay pack but a pittance of the cost of restoration.  Better than a fine would be community service hours helping replant native trees and vegetation or similar work.  And yes, that is and should be hard work.  If he is really traumatized by his actions, helping make it better again by the sweat of his brow is a better form of restitution and redemption. 

Thoughts_Arrive

Meltdown99 said:

Judge: Teen must repay $37 million for starting wildfire along Columbia River Gorge

http://q13fox.com/2018/05/21/judge-teen-must-repay-37-million-for-starting-wildfire-along-columbia-river-gorge/

The headlines a little misleading ...

From the article.."The boy can set up a payment plan, though payments can be halted after 10 years as long as he complies, completes probation and doesn't commit other crimes."

I

Sure, he'll just break open his piggy bank, count the coins and tally up the owed amount of money.
What a joke.

Meltdown99

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Meltdown99 said:

Judge: Teen must repay $37 million for starting wildfire along Columbia River Gorge

http://q13fox.com/2018/05/21/judge-teen-must-repay-37-million-for-starting-wildfire-along-columbia-river-gorge/

The headlines a little misleading ...

From the article.."The boy can set up a payment plan, though payments can be halted after 10 years as long as he complies, completes probation and doesn't commit other crimes."

I

Sure, he'll just break open his piggy bank, count the coins and tally up the owed amount of money.
What a joke.

As long as he makes his payments, doesn't get in trouble with law, completes his community service and probation the after 10 years he can ask the courts to vacate him having to pay restitution.  However, why would having him pay even a nominal amount, say maybe 50-100 month after the 10 years  until retirement be bad thing?  I get that kids do stupid things.  But this was beyond stupid and irresponsible...

Meltdown99

Police believe they know who started wildfire that made it rain ash in Oregon: Giggling teens

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/09/06/police-think-they-know-who-started-wildfire-that-made-it-rain-ash-in-oregon-giggling-teens/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.dcc7aa2835b3

Ans if you feel sorry for these delinquent read the above article...

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Meltdown99 said:

Judge: Teen must repay $37 million for starting wildfire along Columbia River Gorge

http://q13fox.com/2018/05/21/judge-teen-must-repay-37-million-for-starting-wildfire-along-columbia-river-gorge/

The headlines a little misleading ...

From the article.."The boy can set up a payment plan, though payments can be halted after 10 years as long as he complies, completes probation and doesn't commit other crimes."

I

Sure, he'll just break open his piggy bank, count the coins and tally up the owed amount of money.
What a joke.

As long as he makes his payments, doesn't get in trouble with law, completes his community service and probation the after 10 years he can ask the courts to vacate him having to pay restitution.  However, why would having him pay even a nominal amount, say maybe 50-100 month after the 10 years  until retirement be bad thing?  I get that kids do stupid things.  But this was beyond stupid and irresponsible...

I personally just don't see the point of the payments. I don't know how much these payments are supposed to be, but whatever they are, they could simply lead to barrier for this idiot's "enlightenment". Like, what if he want to to go to college? Will these payments act as a barrier to that, just because they'll cause him to be unable to pay tuition, or what? I absolutely think he needs to do something - a LOT - in reparation, but doing with money just doesn't that much sense to me.

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Meltdown99 said:

Judge: Teen must repay $37 million for starting wildfire along Columbia River Gorge

http://q13fox.com/2018/05/21/judge-teen-must-repay-37-million-for-starting-wildfire-along-columbia-river-gorge/

The headlines a little misleading ...

From the article.."The boy can set up a payment plan, though payments can be halted after 10 years as long as he complies, completes probation and doesn't commit other crimes."

I

Sure, he'll just break open his piggy bank, count the coins and tally up the owed amount of money.
What a joke.

As long as he makes his payments, doesn't get in trouble with law, completes his community service and probation the after 10 years he can ask the courts to vacate him having to pay restitution.  However, why would having him pay even a nominal amount, say maybe 50-100 month after the 10 years  until retirement be bad thing?  I get that kids do stupid things.  But this was beyond stupid and irresponsible...

I personally just don't see the point of the payments. I don't know how much these payments are supposed to be, but whatever they are, they could simply lead to barrier for this idiot's "enlightenment". Like, what if he want to to go to college? Will these payments act as a barrier to that, just because they'll cause him to be unable to pay tuition, or what? I absolutely think he needs to do something - a LOT - in reparation, but doing with money just doesn't that much sense to me.

I'm pretty sure the delinquent could handle $50-$100/month as I said...he'll just have to do what others do, get job and accept responsibility.

I don't feel sorry for his punishment.  This kid ran away and tried to play dumb (which maybe he wasn't playing) when confronted by hikers...

No pity from me...

The only questions left unanswered for me are?  I thought fireworks could only be sold to someone over 18 and if thats the case, where did they get the fireworks from?  

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Meltdown99 said:

Judge: Teen must repay $37 million for starting wildfire along Columbia River Gorge

http://q13fox.com/2018/05/21/judge-teen-must-repay-37-million-for-starting-wildfire-along-columbia-river-gorge/

The headlines a little misleading ...

From the article.."The boy can set up a payment plan, though payments can be halted after 10 years as long as he complies, completes probation and doesn't commit other crimes."

I

Sure, he'll just break open his piggy bank, count the coins and tally up the owed amount of money.
What a joke.

As long as he makes his payments, doesn't get in trouble with law, completes his community service and probation the after 10 years he can ask the courts to vacate him having to pay restitution.  However, why would having him pay even a nominal amount, say maybe 50-100 month after the 10 years  until retirement be bad thing?  I get that kids do stupid things.  But this was beyond stupid and irresponsible...

I personally just don't see the point of the payments. I don't know how much these payments are supposed to be, but whatever they are, they could simply lead to barrier for this idiot's "enlightenment". Like, what if he want to to go to college? Will these payments act as a barrier to that, just because they'll cause him to be unable to pay tuition, or what? I absolutely think he needs to do something - a LOT - in reparation, but doing with money just doesn't that much sense to me.

I'm pretty sure the delinquent could handle $50-$100/month as I said...he'll just have to do what others do, get job and accept responsibility.

I don't feel sorry for his punishment.  This kid ran away and tried to play dumb (which maybe he wasn't playing) when confronted by hikers...

No pity from me...

The only questions left unanswered for me are?  I thought fireworks could only be sold to someone over 18 and if thats the case, where did they get the fireworks from?  

I expressed no pity and never said I felt sorry for his punishment, if that's what you were thinking. My whole point is that I don't see the point of the payments. It isn't useful in anyway, so why? It's counterproductive IMO, which has nothing to do with feelings. And where did you get that $50 - $100 number btw? The amount of the payments that will be required have not been reported as far as I know.

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Meltdown99 said:

Judge: Teen must repay $37 million for starting wildfire along Columbia River Gorge

http://q13fox.com/2018/05/21/judge-teen-must-repay-37-million-for-starting-wildfire-along-columbia-river-gorge/

The headlines a little misleading ...

From the article.."The boy can set up a payment plan, though payments can be halted after 10 years as long as he complies, completes probation and doesn't commit other crimes."

I

Sure, he'll just break open his piggy bank, count the coins and tally up the owed amount of money.
What a joke.

As long as he makes his payments, doesn't get in trouble with law, completes his community service and probation the after 10 years he can ask the courts to vacate him having to pay restitution.  However, why would having him pay even a nominal amount, say maybe 50-100 month after the 10 years  until retirement be bad thing?  I get that kids do stupid things.  But this was beyond stupid and irresponsible...

I personally just don't see the point of the payments. I don't know how much these payments are supposed to be, but whatever they are, they could simply lead to barrier for this idiot's "enlightenment". Like, what if he want to to go to college? Will these payments act as a barrier to that, just because they'll cause him to be unable to pay tuition, or what? I absolutely think he needs to do something - a LOT - in reparation, but doing with money just doesn't that much sense to me.

I'm pretty sure the delinquent could handle $50-$100/month as I said...he'll just have to do what others do, get job and accept responsibility.

I don't feel sorry for his punishment.  This kid ran away and tried to play dumb (which maybe he wasn't playing) when confronted by hikers...

No pity from me...

The only questions left unanswered for me are?  I thought fireworks could only be sold to someone over 18 and if thats the case, where did they get the fireworks from?  

I expressed no pity and never said I felt sorry for his punishment, if that's what you were thinking. My whole point is that I don't see the point of the payments. It isn't useful in anyway, so why? It's counterproductive IMO, which has nothing to do with feelings. And where did you get that $50 - $100 number btw? The amount of the payments that will be required have not been reported as far as I know.

I did express a very little bit of pity because I was a boy and I know boys do dumb things.  My best friend in 5th grad and I played soccer in the boys room and broke a window that was high up on the wall.  We had to pay for it.  The price fit the crime, so-to-speak.

But my pity for this kind of action is very limited because it was a much more grievous affront.  I agree that payments of any sort a kid will be able to come up with (or even most adults) would be a pittance considering the damage done.  That's why I suggested the penalty should be work- the hard work of planting trees, clearing debris, helping rebuild.  I believe that's the only just punishment.  

Meltdown99

This fucking kid is not a victim ... the victims are, the trees destroyed, the vegetation destroyed, the animals habitat and lives that were destroyed ... not to mention the taking away of the enjoyment of the area for years to come by outdoor enthusiasts.  

I could care a less about this delinquent's college fund...

The appropriate punishment would be working for the park service replanting trees 10 hours a 6 days a week for a good long time...
This delinquent and his friends know why they did...they had opportunity to come forward to minimize the damage. 

The kid was 15 at the time ... old enough to know right from wrong....

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

This fucking kid is not a victim ... the victims are, the trees destroyed, the vegetation destroyed, the animals habitat and lives that were destroyed ... not to mention the taking away of the enjoyment of the area for years to come by outdoor enthusiasts.  

I could care a less about this delinquent's college fund...

The appropriate punishment would be working for the park service replanting trees 10 hours a 6 days a week for a good long time...
This delinquent and his friends know why they did...they had opportunity to come forward to minimize the damage. 

The kid was 15 at the time ... old enough to know right from wrong....

Did anyone say this kid was a victim? I must have missed that post.

I agree that lots and lots of community service would be the best sentence - the payments he's being forced to make do no good whatsoever, and a punishment that does no good is a stupid punishment.

brianlux

It's only June and already it's started out here.  Gonna be a long summer. 

Pawnee Fire:  8,200+ acres, 0 % containment, 12 structures lost so far.  Lots of evacuations. 

http://abc7news.com/governor-declares-state-of-emergency-in-lake-county-due-to-raging-fire/3650331/

Meltdown99

Brian.  Is it shaping up to be a bad wildfire season out your way?  Got to give the brave men and woman who fight these wildfires so much credit.

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

Brian.  Is it shaping up to be a bad wildfire season out your way?  Got to give the brave men and woman who fight these wildfires so much credit.

It's too early to tell but this Pawnee fire came on early and strong.  Plus, the worst part of our fire season is August trhough September or October.  Things are getting rather dry here already and we usually don't get any rain between end of may and September or even October.   Most of California is semi-arid to arid.   In fact, scientists say the 20th century was unusually wet here and that long, extended droughts could be coming again.  And yet people seem to flock here by the droves.  Just down the hill from us, 10,000 new homes are being built in Folsom.  This is insanity profound.

As for our firefighters, oh, you bet!  Much respect for our firefighters! 

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

Brian.  Is it shaping up to be a bad wildfire season out your way?  Got to give the brave men and woman who fight these wildfires so much credit.

It's too early to tell but this Pawnee fire came on early and strong.  Plus, the worst part of our fire season is August trhough September or October.  Things are getting rather dry here already and we usually don't get any rain between end of may and September or even October.   Most of California is semi-arid to arid.   In fact, scientists say the 20th century was unusually wet here and that long, extended droughts could be coming again.  And yet people seem to flock here by the droves.  Just down the hill from us, 10,000 new homes are being built in Folsom.  This is insanity profound.

As for our firefighters, oh, you bet!  Much respect for our firefighters! 

10000 homes?  Is that correct?  That's a small town.

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

Brian.  Is it shaping up to be a bad wildfire season out your way?  Got to give the brave men and woman who fight these wildfires so much credit.

It's too early to tell but this Pawnee fire came on early and strong.  Plus, the worst part of our fire season is August trhough September or October.  Things are getting rather dry here already and we usually don't get any rain between end of may and September or even October.   Most of California is semi-arid to arid.   In fact, scientists say the 20th century was unusually wet here and that long, extended droughts could be coming again.  And yet people seem to flock here by the droves.  Just down the hill from us, 10,000 new homes are being built in Folsom.  This is insanity profound.

As for our firefighters, oh, you bet!  Much respect for our firefighters! 

You got that right. All those idiots will live to regret it, when they discover there is no water coming out of their taps, or that what does come out is breaking the bank, and/or when they can't really be outside because the heat has become intolerable (as is already happening in Arizona and parts of the Middle East). Same with the fools who keep building beachfront condos down in Miami and surrounding areas, lol. Have fun underwater, suckers!
I fully expect to see a great migration out of Southern California in my lifetime TBH. Everyone up North better get ready for that - buy cheap northern property now! Alaska will be looking really good in about 30 years.

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

Brian.  Is it shaping up to be a bad wildfire season out your way?  Got to give the brave men and woman who fight these wildfires so much credit.

It's too early to tell but this Pawnee fire came on early and strong.  Plus, the worst part of our fire season is August trhough September or October.  Things are getting rather dry here already and we usually don't get any rain between end of may and September or even October.   Most of California is semi-arid to arid.   In fact, scientists say the 20th century was unusually wet here and that long, extended droughts could be coming again.  And yet people seem to flock here by the droves.  Just down the hill from us, 10,000 new homes are being built in Folsom.  This is insanity profound.

As for our firefighters, oh, you bet!  Much respect for our firefighters! 

10000 homes?  Is that correct?  That's a small town.

That is absolutely correct.  Folsom is adding 10,000 new home.  I saw the developer talking on the news a while back.  He confirmed the number, talked about how great this was going to be for this area and said there would be plenty of water.  BULLSHIT!  We are in an area prone  to drought.  The traffic is already gotten way worse.  California is getting a major ream job by developers who don't give one single shit about environment, stable communities, reasonable impact.  Developers are a special breed of evil people.

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

Brian.  Is it shaping up to be a bad wildfire season out your way?  Got to give the brave men and woman who fight these wildfires so much credit.

It's too early to tell but this Pawnee fire came on early and strong.  Plus, the worst part of our fire season is August trhough September or October.  Things are getting rather dry here already and we usually don't get any rain between end of may and September or even October.   Most of California is semi-arid to arid.   In fact, scientists say the 20th century was unusually wet here and that long, extended droughts could be coming again.  And yet people seem to flock here by the droves.  Just down the hill from us, 10,000 new homes are being built in Folsom.  This is insanity profound.

As for our firefighters, oh, you bet!  Much respect for our firefighters! 

You got that right. All those idiots will live to regret it, when they discover there is no water coming out of their taps, or that what does come out is breaking the bank, and/or when they can't really be outside because the heat has become intolerable (as is already happening in Arizona and parts of the Middle East). Same with the fools who keep building beachfront condos down in Miami and surrounding areas, lol. Have fun underwater, suckers!
I fully expect to see a great migration out of Southern California in my lifetime TBH. Everyone up North better get ready for that - buy cheap northern property now! Alaska will be looking really good in about 30 years.

I think this is all 100% correct.  I fell sorry for anyone under 30 (maybe even 40).  This kids are going to be scrambling to find a livable situation.  People making lots of babies and developers who cater to them are creating a future that, in many places, will be very bleak.

brianlux

The county fire is BIG!  A friend (whose knowledge I trust told) told me that California has experienced 1/2 of the total amount of fire we had all last year... and we're just at the beginning of the worst months of fire season.  I'm also told that, technically speaking, fire season in California is now considered year-round.

Here's what the 88,000 County Fire looks like and then a comparison map (NO, SAN FRANCISCO IS NOT ON FIRE)  showing how big it is relative to the Bay Area:

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

The county fire is BIG!  A friend (whose knowledge I trust told) told me that California has experienced 1/2 of the total amount of fire we had all last year... and we're just at the beginning of the worst months of fire season.  I'm also told that, technically speaking, fire season in California is now considered year-round.

Here's what the 88,000 County Fire looks like and then a comparison map (NO, SAN FRANCISCO IS NOT ON FIRE)  showing how big it is relative to the Bay Area:

No idea what the solution is ... but over population has to a major concern in California...

Meltdown99

With the fires and the need to continue urban sprawl to accommodate the over population California may someday have no forest left ... now that will be depressing.  I live in Southern Ontario ... Not a lot of forest here thanks to farming and greenhouses...pretty boring where I live.