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How should the world deal with the North Korean threat?

Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Posts: 15,165
edited August 2017 in A Moving Train
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How should the world deal with the North Korean threat? 7 votes

Military action
0%
More sanctions
14%
lastexitlondon 1 vote
Urge China to take intervene
71%
cincybearcatDirtie_FrankWildsBLACK35lukemil33 5 votes
Skinnerian conditioning
14%
Thoughts_Arrive 1 vote
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,031
    To be fair in chiming in hear I really should vote but I'm having hard time choosing between those four because my solution would be to smuggle in great music from the west and kindly ask to smuggle out some of there traditional and/or local musics. I seriously don't think anything short of appreciating each others cultures will work.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Recognition and acceptance. Normalization of relations with NK. That's what they want, a seat at the big boys table. I say give them what they want.

    They won, it's time to accept that. Unless of course the world is willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands, if not millions of South Koreans lives.


    How to Deal With North Korea

    There are no good options. But some are worse than others.


    Every option the United States has for dealing with North Korea is bad. But accepting it as a nuclear power may be the least bad.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-worst-problem-on-earth/528717/

  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Posts: 15,165
    Skinnerian conditioning
    Shit, I forgot a fifth option, Dennis Rodman.
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    Thing is, they are not a threat
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,031
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Shit, I forgot a fifth option, Dennis Rodman.
    Bingo!  I'm going with Rodman.
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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Posts: 15,165
    Skinnerian conditioning
    Smellyman said:
    Thing is, they are not a threat
    They have nukes?
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thing is, they are not a threat
    They have nukes?
    Yeah?
  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Posts: 15,165
    Skinnerian conditioning
    Smellyman said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thing is, they are not a threat
    They have nukes?
    Yeah?
    They might use them.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thing is, they are not a threat
    They have nukes?
    Yeah?
    They might use them.
    So might Israel, US, China, Russia, India, Pakiston etc.


    N. Korea would be annihilated the moment they use one.  Even Kimmie knows that.

    I am more worried that Trump might than NK
  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Posts: 15,165
    Skinnerian conditioning
    Smellyman said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thing is, they are not a threat
    They have nukes?
    Yeah?
    They might use them.
    So might Israel, US, China, Russia, India, Pakiston etc.


    N. Korea would be annihilated the moment they use one.  Even Kimmie knows that.

    I am more worried that Trump might than NK
    Their firing of a missile over Japan makes me think NK is a real threat.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    brianlux said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Shit, I forgot a fifth option, Dennis Rodman.
    Bingo!  I'm going with Rodman.
    Rodman is in the perfect position to take action...just sayin'
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,031
    Smellyman said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thing is, they are not a threat
    They have nukes?
    Yeah?
    They might use them.
    So might Israel, US, China, Russia, India, Pakiston etc.


    N. Korea would be annihilated the moment they use one.  Even Kimmie knows that.

    I am more worried that Trump might than NK
    Yeah, when it comes to nukes, I'm WAY more concerned about the countries you listed. 

    And if N.K. did, for some crazy reason, toss a nuke, the reprisal would be massive.  The results would be toxic and deadly in a small region where there's hit but ultra toxic over there and the amount of death in N.K. due to counter attacks would be staggering.  I'm going to assume they're not so stupid as to let that happen.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,532
    Yeah def more afraid of orange bafoon's little fingers having access to those nasty codes !
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    brianlux said:
    To be fair in chiming in hear I really should vote but I'm having hard time choosing between those four because my solution would be to smuggle in great music from the west and kindly ask to smuggle out some of there traditional and/or local musics. I seriously don't think anything short of appreciating each others cultures will work.
    lots of truth here.
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    I am tired; my heart is
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    no more forever."
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    brianlux said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thing is, they are not a threat
    They have nukes?
    Yeah?
    They might use them.
    So might Israel, US, China, Russia, India, Pakiston etc.


    N. Korea would be annihilated the moment they use one.  Even Kimmie knows that.

    I am more worried that Trump might than NK
    Yeah, when it comes to nukes, I'm WAY more concerned about the countries you listed. 

    And if N.K. did, for some crazy reason, toss a nuke, the reprisal would be massive.  The results would be toxic and deadly in a small region where there's hit but ultra toxic over there and the amount of death in N.K. due to counter attacks would be staggering.  I'm going to assume they're not so stupid as to let that happen.

    There is certainly precedence for stupid people starting wars they can't win in retaliation for a narcissistic injury.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Smellyman said:
    Thing is, they are not a threat
    agree. The back and forth between NK and Trump is good for business.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-defense-idUSKCN1BA19M
    https://www.mda.mil/about/mission.html

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-japan-radar-exclu-idUSKCN1BA0TS

  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,031
    oftenreading said:
    brianlux said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thing is, they are not a threat
    They have nukes?
    Yeah?
    They might use them.
    So might Israel, US, China, Russia, India, Pakiston etc.


    N. Korea would be annihilated the moment they use one.  Even Kimmie knows that.

    I am more worried that Trump might than NK
    Yeah, when it comes to nukes, I'm WAY more concerned about the countries you listed. 

    And if N.K. did, for some crazy reason, toss a nuke, the reprisal would be massive.  The results would be toxic and deadly in a small region where there's hit but ultra toxic over there and the amount of death in N.K. due to counter attacks would be staggering.  I'm going to assume they're not so stupid as to let that happen.

    There is certainly precedence for stupid people starting wars they can't win in retaliation for a narcissistic injury.
    For sure-- Vietnam, the Middle East.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Posts: 15,165
    Skinnerian conditioning
    Noone is voting!
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Noone is voting!
    I don't like any of the poll options, so can't choose any.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:o
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thing is, they are not a threat
    They have nukes?
    Yeah?
    They might use them.
    So might Israel, US, China, Russia, India, Pakiston etc.


    N. Korea would be annihilated the moment they use one.  Even Kimmie knows that.

    I am more worried that Trump might than NK
    Their firing of a missile over Japan makes me think NK is a real threat.
    that is nothing more than telling the world (Trump) to back the fuck up. walk softly and carry a big stick, as it were. 
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Send in The Night King
  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    brianlux said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thing is, they are not a threat
    They have nukes?
    Yeah?
    They might use them.
    So might Israel, US, China, Russia, India, Pakiston etc.


    N. Korea would be annihilated the moment they use one.  Even Kimmie knows that.

    I am more worried that Trump might than NK
    Yeah, when it comes to nukes, I'm WAY more concerned about the countries you listed. 

    And if N.K. did, for some crazy reason, toss a nuke, the reprisal would be massive.  The results would be toxic and deadly in a small region where there's hit but ultra toxic over there and the amount of death in N.K. due to counter attacks would be staggering.  I'm going to assume they're not so stupid as to let that happen.

    There is certainly precedence for stupid people starting wars they can't win in retaliation for a narcissistic injury.
    For sure-- Vietnam, the Middle East.
    Sad but true.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,031
    When comes to nuking places, the US has NK beat hands down:

    "Over 41 years, the federal government detonated 921 nuclear warheads underground at the Nevada Test Site, 75 miles northeast of Las Vegas. Each explosion deposited a toxic load of radioactivity into the ground and, in some cases, directly into aquifers."

    "In a study for Nye County, where the nuclear test site lies, Buqo estimated that the underground tests polluted 1.6 trillion gallons of water. "

    "About a third of the tests were conducted directly in aquifers, and others were hundreds or thousands of feet above the water table."

    "In the hottest zones, radioactivity in the water reaches millions of picocuries per liter. The federal standard for drinking water is 20 picocuries per liter."

    http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/13/nation/na-radiation-nevada13



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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    brianlux said:
    When comes to nuking places, the US has NK beat hands down:

    "Over 41 years, the federal government detonated 921 nuclear warheads underground at the Nevada Test Site, 75 miles northeast of Las Vegas. Each explosion deposited a toxic load of radioactivity into the ground and, in some cases, directly into aquifers."

    "In a study for Nye County, where the nuclear test site lies, Buqo estimated that the underground tests polluted 1.6 trillion gallons of water. "

    "About a third of the tests were conducted directly in aquifers, and others were hundreds or thousands of feet above the water table."

    "In the hottest zones, radioactivity in the water reaches millions of picocuries per liter. The federal standard for drinking water is 20 picocuries per liter."

    http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/13/nation/na-radiation-nevada13




    yeah only a genius would mess around with radioactivity in or near aquifers. this is insanity  
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Posts: 15,165
    Skinnerian conditioning
    So now he's detonated an underground atomic bomb. Shit's getting serious.

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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,085
    edited September 2017
    Is doing nothing an option?
  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    FEAR!
  • PJammer4lifePJammer4life Posts: 2,647
    Rodman the most unlikely of heroes, saves the world.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,031
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    So now he's detonated an underground atomic bomb. Shit's getting serious.

    Their sixth.  Way to pollute you aquifers, NK (of course the US and Russia are kings when it come that).  Craziness.
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  • PJammer4lifePJammer4life Posts: 2,647
    We better get ready for another 40 year Cold War. We had it good for 30+ years, time to live threatened again and toughen up. Back to the you'll hurt me but I will kill you stalemate. Problem is Kim is a threat to Europe too...can the world come together and coordinate an attack that's non nuclear but successful? Or accept we live with this threat.
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