How should the world deal with the North Korean threat?

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  • How about a call for an actual treaty?? The US and South Korea stop naval and air excercusions and N Korea stops the ICBM tests. Oh, and we don't include underground tests in the deal so that won't force us to react if Kim explodes some nukes in his own country. This eliminates the threat to Japan and Europe, Kim keeps his nukes(toys) and the US is protected. Of course if N Korea breaks the treaty then war is justifiable because real peace was given a chance.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    the most informed historical perspective on North Korea and "how we got here" I've ever read.
    a must read

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/28/how-history-explains-the-korean-crisis/
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,031
    edited September 2017
    OK friends, I don't mean to be a smart ass or a wise guy (well, maybe a little), but sometimes I think the whole North Korea thing is a joke.  People are freaking out about the danger NK poses to the rest of the world and yet I see an article like the one posted below and I wonder if it was supposed to be printed in The Onion.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/world/asia/north-korea-kim-jong-un-missiles.html

    Kim Jong-un vows equilibrium with U.S. military?  Ah huh, I see.  OK, well that's good for a laugh.

    OH!  But they shot their furthest rocket (or was it wad?) yet- clear over the Island of Hokkaido, Japan.  That's gotta be getting awful close to... where is they are going to bomb?  L.A.?

    Let's see just how close that is to the U.S. mainland:



    OK, well SHIT! Now I'm really freaking out here.

    Facepalm!

    Post edited by brianlux on
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    brianlux said:
    OK friends, I don't mean to be a smart ass or a wise guy (well, maybe a little), but sometimes I think the whole North Korea thing is a joke.  People are freaking out about the danger NK poses to the rest of the world and yet I see an article like the one posted below and I wonder if it was supposed to be printed in The Onion.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/world/asia/north-korea-kim-jong-un-missiles.html

    Kim Jong-un vows equilibrium with U.S. military?  Ah huh, I see.  OK, well that's good for a laugh.

    OH!  But they shot their furthest rocket (or was it wad?) yet- clear over the Island of Hokkaido, Japan.  That's gotta be getting awful close to... where is they are going to bomb?  L.A.?

    Let's see just how close that is to the U.S. mainland:



    OK, well SHIT! Now I'm really freaking out here.

    Facepalm!

    ....but this time NK really means it, please ignore the previous 229 threats/lies. this time its real, this time they really mean it.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,031
    JC29856 said:
    brianlux said:
    OK friends, I don't mean to be a smart ass or a wise guy (well, maybe a little), but sometimes I think the whole North Korea thing is a joke.  People are freaking out about the danger NK poses to the rest of the world and yet I see an article like the one posted below and I wonder if it was supposed to be printed in The Onion.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/world/asia/north-korea-kim-jong-un-missiles.html

    Kim Jong-un vows equilibrium with U.S. military?  Ah huh, I see.  OK, well that's good for a laugh.

    OH!  But they shot their furthest rocket (or was it wad?) yet- clear over the Island of Hokkaido, Japan.  That's gotta be getting awful close to... where is they are going to bomb?  L.A.?

    Let's see just how close that is to the U.S. mainland:



    OK, well SHIT! Now I'm really freaking out here.

    Facepalm!

    ....but this time NK really means it, please ignore the previous 229 threats/lies. this time its real, this time they really mean it.
    :lol:
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927


    ....but, hey - you know....facts and stuff
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,031
    CM189191 said:


    ....but, hey - you know....facts and stuff
    Looks to me like right now their best target is... themselves?  

    The Taepodong-2 is not geared for carrying a ballistic missile and the KN-08/14 is only in development.  They may get there yet though, I suppose.  But by the time NK reaches equilibrium with U.S. military another era or two will have passed.

    It's gotta suck, however,  being South Korean, Japanese or Chinese and having Kim Jong-un as your neighbor. 

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    edited September 2017
    JC29856 said:
    brianlux said:
    OK friends, I don't mean to be a smart ass or a wise guy (well, maybe a little), but sometimes I think the whole North Korea thing is a joke.  People are freaking out about the danger NK poses to the rest of the world and yet I see an article like the one posted below and I wonder if it was supposed to be printed in The Onion.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/world/asia/north-korea-kim-jong-un-missiles.html

    Kim Jong-un vows equilibrium with U.S. military?  Ah huh, I see.  OK, well that's good for a laugh.

    OH!  But they shot their furthest rocket (or was it wad?) yet- clear over the Island of Hokkaido, Japan.  That's gotta be getting awful close to... where is they are going to bomb?  L.A.?

    Let's see just how close that is to the U.S. mainland:



    OK, well SHIT! Now I'm really freaking out here.

    Facepalm!

    ....but this time NK really means it, please ignore the previous 229 threats/lies. this time its real, this time they really mean it.
    I agree with the point you're making here ..... But I doubt I'd feel the same way if I lived in Japan and actually had test missiles flying over my home, with sirens going off and everyone having to take cover.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,031
    PJ_Soul said:
    JC29856 said:
    brianlux said:
    OK friends, I don't mean to be a smart ass or a wise guy (well, maybe a little), but sometimes I think the whole North Korea thing is a joke.  People are freaking out about the danger NK poses to the rest of the world and yet I see an article like the one posted below and I wonder if it was supposed to be printed in The Onion.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/world/asia/north-korea-kim-jong-un-missiles.html

    Kim Jong-un vows equilibrium with U.S. military?  Ah huh, I see.  OK, well that's good for a laugh.

    OH!  But they shot their furthest rocket (or was it wad?) yet- clear over the Island of Hokkaido, Japan.  That's gotta be getting awful close to... where is they are going to bomb?  L.A.?

    Let's see just how close that is to the U.S. mainland:



    OK, well SHIT! Now I'm really freaking out here.

    Facepalm!

    ....but this time NK really means it, please ignore the previous 229 threats/lies. this time its real, this time they really mean it.
    I agree with the point you're making here ..... But I doubt I'd feel the same way if I lived in Japan and actually had test missiles flying over my home, with sirens going off and everyone having to take cover.
    Without a doubt which is why I said, "It's gotta suck, however,  being South Korean, Japanese or Chinese and having Kim Jong-un as your neighbor.".  I would hate to live close to NK!
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    JC29856 said:
    brianlux said:
    OK friends, I don't mean to be a smart ass or a wise guy (well, maybe a little), but sometimes I think the whole North Korea thing is a joke.  People are freaking out about the danger NK poses to the rest of the world and yet I see an article like the one posted below and I wonder if it was supposed to be printed in The Onion.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/world/asia/north-korea-kim-jong-un-missiles.html

    Kim Jong-un vows equilibrium with U.S. military?  Ah huh, I see.  OK, well that's good for a laugh.

    OH!  But they shot their furthest rocket (or was it wad?) yet- clear over the Island of Hokkaido, Japan.  That's gotta be getting awful close to... where is they are going to bomb?  L.A.?

    Let's see just how close that is to the U.S. mainland:



    OK, well SHIT! Now I'm really freaking out here.

    Facepalm!

    ....but this time NK really means it, please ignore the previous 229 threats/lies. this time its real, this time they really mean it.
    I agree with the point you're making here ..... But I doubt I'd feel the same way if I lived in Japan and actually had test missiles flying over my home, with sirens going off and everyone having to take cover.
    Without a doubt which is why I said, "It's gotta suck, however,  being South Korean, Japanese or Chinese and having Kim Jong-un as your neighbor.".  I would hate to live close to NK!
    we have a few people there too:
    As of 2013, there are approximately 50,000 U.S. military personnel stationed in Japan, along with approximately 40,000 dependents of military personnel and another 5,500 American civilians employed there by the United States Department of Defense. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,031
    CM189191 said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    JC29856 said:
    brianlux said:
    OK friends, I don't mean to be a smart ass or a wise guy (well, maybe a little), but sometimes I think the whole North Korea thing is a joke.  People are freaking out about the danger NK poses to the rest of the world and yet I see an article like the one posted below and I wonder if it was supposed to be printed in The Onion.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/world/asia/north-korea-kim-jong-un-missiles.html

    Kim Jong-un vows equilibrium with U.S. military?  Ah huh, I see.  OK, well that's good for a laugh.

    OH!  But they shot their furthest rocket (or was it wad?) yet- clear over the Island of Hokkaido, Japan.  That's gotta be getting awful close to... where is they are going to bomb?  L.A.?

    Let's see just how close that is to the U.S. mainland:



    OK, well SHIT! Now I'm really freaking out here.

    Facepalm!

    ....but this time NK really means it, please ignore the previous 229 threats/lies. this time its real, this time they really mean it.
    I agree with the point you're making here ..... But I doubt I'd feel the same way if I lived in Japan and actually had test missiles flying over my home, with sirens going off and everyone having to take cover.
    Without a doubt which is why I said, "It's gotta suck, however,  being South Korean, Japanese or Chinese and having Kim Jong-un as your neighbor.".  I would hate to live close to NK!
    we have a few people there too:
    As of 2013, there are approximately 50,000 U.S. military personnel stationed in Japan, along with approximately 40,000 dependents of military personnel and another 5,500 American civilians employed there by the United States Department of Defense. 
    Ya, they're everywhere!
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    brianlux said:
    CM189191 said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    JC29856 said:
    brianlux said:
    OK friends, I don't mean to be a smart ass or a wise guy (well, maybe a little), but sometimes I think the whole North Korea thing is a joke.  People are freaking out about the danger NK poses to the rest of the world and yet I see an article like the one posted below and I wonder if it was supposed to be printed in The Onion.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/world/asia/north-korea-kim-jong-un-missiles.html

    Kim Jong-un vows equilibrium with U.S. military?  Ah huh, I see.  OK, well that's good for a laugh.

    OH!  But they shot their furthest rocket (or was it wad?) yet- clear over the Island of Hokkaido, Japan.  That's gotta be getting awful close to... where is they are going to bomb?  L.A.?

    Let's see just how close that is to the U.S. mainland:



    OK, well SHIT! Now I'm really freaking out here.

    Facepalm!

    ....but this time NK really means it, please ignore the previous 229 threats/lies. this time its real, this time they really mean it.
    I agree with the point you're making here ..... But I doubt I'd feel the same way if I lived in Japan and actually had test missiles flying over my home, with sirens going off and everyone having to take cover.
    Without a doubt which is why I said, "It's gotta suck, however,  being South Korean, Japanese or Chinese and having Kim Jong-un as your neighbor.".  I would hate to live close to NK!
    we have a few people there too:
    As of 2013, there are approximately 50,000 U.S. military personnel stationed in Japan, along with approximately 40,000 dependents of military personnel and another 5,500 American civilians employed there by the United States Department of Defense. 
    Ya, they're everywhere!
    except orgy island, not even secret service are allowed there.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,031
    JC29856 said:
    brianlux said:
    CM189191 said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    JC29856 said:
    brianlux said:
    OK friends, I don't mean to be a smart ass or a wise guy (well, maybe a little), but sometimes I think the whole North Korea thing is a joke.  People are freaking out about the danger NK poses to the rest of the world and yet I see an article like the one posted below and I wonder if it was supposed to be printed in The Onion.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/world/asia/north-korea-kim-jong-un-missiles.html

    Kim Jong-un vows equilibrium with U.S. military?  Ah huh, I see.  OK, well that's good for a laugh.

    OH!  But they shot their furthest rocket (or was it wad?) yet- clear over the Island of Hokkaido, Japan.  That's gotta be getting awful close to... where is they are going to bomb?  L.A.?

    Let's see just how close that is to the U.S. mainland:



    OK, well SHIT! Now I'm really freaking out here.

    Facepalm!

    ....but this time NK really means it, please ignore the previous 229 threats/lies. this time its real, this time they really mean it.
    I agree with the point you're making here ..... But I doubt I'd feel the same way if I lived in Japan and actually had test missiles flying over my home, with sirens going off and everyone having to take cover.
    Without a doubt which is why I said, "It's gotta suck, however,  being South Korean, Japanese or Chinese and having Kim Jong-un as your neighbor.".  I would hate to live close to NK!
    we have a few people there too:
    As of 2013, there are approximately 50,000 U.S. military personnel stationed in Japan, along with approximately 40,000 dependents of military personnel and another 5,500 American civilians employed there by the United States Department of Defense. 
    Ya, they're everywhere!
    except orgy island, not even secret service are allowed there.
    With, perhaps, one exception?

    http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/source-fbi-has-evidence-hillary-visited-orgy-island/

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  • well clearly, we should just wipe NK off the face of the earth, as Trump just suggested to the fucking UN. what a supreme fucking idiot. 
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    well clearly, we should just wipe NK off the face of the earth, as Trump just suggested to the fucking UN. what a supreme fucking idiot. 
    apparently that's populism
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,031
    well clearly, we should just wipe NK off the face of the earth, as Trump just suggested to the fucking UN. what a supreme fucking idiot
    Him and all the others that have no clue as to what it would take to blow up that much land mass/people/plants and animals off the face of the planet.  And even if we were capable of doing that, the results would be catastrophic world-wide.  Lame thinking, for sure!
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    "Rocket Man" 
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,031
    Jason P said:
    "Rocket Man" 
    Indeed!

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    I wonder how Elton John feels about all this?
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Kim done fucked up now that Donnie is handing out nicknames.  Game over, man.  We have all witnessed how the careers of Crooked Hilary, Lying Ted, and Little Marco ended up ... right in the trash pile.  He might as well put up the "for sale" sign.  
  • JC29856 said:
    well clearly, we should just wipe NK off the face of the earth, as Trump just suggested to the fucking UN. what a supreme fucking idiot. 
    apparently that's populism
    Or a deliberate distraction from the Mueller investigation and the forthcoming indictment of Manafort. The end is nye.
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    Jason P said:
    Kim done fucked up now that Donnie is handing out nicknames.  Game over, man.  We have all witnessed how the careers of Crooked Hilary, Lying Ted, and Little Marco ended up ... right in the trash pile.  He might as well put up the "for sale" sign.  
    You know....I thought the same thing.  And the reality is....it's worked for him up to this point.  Scary
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    edited September 2017
    I would think that Un would be very pleased with the new nickname. Rocket Man... not bad at all. That's exactly when Un wants to be. Trump may have done him a favour.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Jason P said:
    Kim done fucked up now that Donnie is handing out nicknames.  Game over, man.  We have all witnessed how the careers of Crooked Hilary, Lying Ted, and Little Marco ended up ... right in the trash pile.  He might as well put up the "for sale" sign.  
    post of the day!
  • JC29856 said:
    well clearly, we should just wipe NK off the face of the earth, as Trump just suggested to the fucking UN. what a supreme fucking idiot. 
    apparently that's populism
    Or a deliberate distraction from the Mueller investigation and the forthcoming indictment of Manafort. The end is nye.

    Bill Nye?
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    Build a Trump Tower there and let Kim live in the penthouse. Short of that I have no idea.
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    Send Colin Kaepernick and Michael Bennett

  • JC29856 said:
    well clearly, we should just wipe NK off the face of the earth, as Trump just suggested to the fucking UN. what a supreme fucking idiot. 
    apparently that's populism
    Or a deliberate distraction from the Mueller investigation and the forthcoming indictment of Manafort. The end is nye.

    Bill Nye?
    The science guy?
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