Hillary Clinton: What happened

unsung

Kat said:

Brazile: I found no evidence Democratic primary was rigged

"I found no evidence, none whatsoever," she told ABC's "This Week."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/politics/donna-brazile-primary-rigged/index.html

Odd, she just said in her book that she wanted to replace Clinton with Biden because of that reason.

PB11041

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Nominate a candidate that doesn't cheat her way to the nom.

...still buying into that russian propaganda I see...

"Just in the last week alone, there have been four major factually false claims that have gone viral because journalists on Twitter endorsed and spread them: three about the controversy involving Donna Brazile and the Democratic National Committee, and one about documents and emails published by WikiLeaks during the 2016 campaign. It’s well worth examining them, both to document what the actual truth is, as well as to understand how often and easily this online journalistic misleading occurs."
 
https://theintercept.com/2017/11/05/four-viral-claims-spread-by-journalists-on-twitter-in-the-last-week-alone-that-are-false/

In the meantime, everyone is busy looking for boogeymen to blame. It is not the russians, it is not the alt-right (that is such a miniature scope of anything), it was not Bengahzi, it was not any mystical force.

The presidential election has become a hype festival of empty promises that are totally unattainable or deliverable and completely outside the scope of a single human being to deliver, even if they went extra crazy on executive orders.  

As voters, US citizens have been trained to believe that they can be saved be a magical person labeled the President.  And the basic truth at this point is that a small but not insignificant block of voters who feel no allegiance whatsoever to any party any longer will most likely vote for someone who represents the potential for change/disruption to the system, a system which that they see as having dismally failed them. Unfortunately politicians are generally BS artists all too happy to fill this role of the easter bunny of happiness.  

Trump won Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin.  Those states all went Obama twice.  Why?  Because, and especially in 2008, Obama represented a change to what was seen as status quo to that block of voters.  Eight years later and in more desperate mode for some, Trump was the ultimate hand grenade.  There was no nuance needed.  Clinton represented 25 years of Washington that was not what they were looking for.  

If the Democrats run an establishment candidate against Trump in 2020, they will lose.  The only chance that candidate wins is if they spend more time in the areas that have crumbled in the US the last two decades and be blatantly honest with them.  A politician can not save them.

Trump represented, for better or worse anti-establishment.  That may seem totally ridiculous and short sighted to some, and a complete farce to others.  But overlooking that will only keep him in office in a few years.

unsung

http://www.newsweek.com/clinton-robbed-sanders-dnc-brazile-699421

JimmyV

It is of course very weird to be far more concerned with what Hillary Clinton did or didn't do with the DNC to win the nomination than you are with what Donald Trump did or didn't do with the Russians to win the Presidency.

Go Beavers

RYME said:

josevolution said:

Yes the country voted a total idiot for our president ..
please post one good quality he possesses any of you up above ^^^^
i voted for Clinton If Bernie would got the nod I would of voted for him they both possess better leadership quality then the bafoon that's currently in Asia embarrassing this great country !!

1.Neil Gorsuch
2. Unemployment is at a 17-year low.
3. Better than 3% GDP growth.
4. Military spending is back up. So our military can have what I needs to function.
5. We haven't heard much from ISIS lately.
I call that a good start.
6. Took the regulatory burden boot off the neck of American businesses.

1. Not a good thing and probably the only thing that people consider a success by trump
2. And 3. Have very little to do with trump, if anything. 
4. The military has a managment problem if it couldn’t function properly with its already enormous bloated budget.
5. We have and trump is only encouraging terrorism, not doing anything to negate it.
6. What burdens have been removed that are helpful? 

unsung

JimmyV said:

It is of course very weird to be far more concerned with what Hillary Clinton did or didn't do with the DNC to win the nomination than you are with what Donald Trump did or didn't do with the Russians to win the Presidency.

Well when the former head of the DNC makes the statements you should be concerned, not so much over some allegations because you lost.

BTW, keep it up and you'll get eight years of Trump.  

unsung

I'd actually be more concerned with my party believing that I was stupid enough for them to try to pull such a fast one.  The DNC must really hate its voters.  How insulting.

JimmyV

unsung said:

I'd actually be more concerned with my party believing that I was stupid enough for them to try to pull such a fast one.  The DNC must really hate its voters.  How insulting.

It's not my party. Kinda the point. The Democrat's fiasco is the Democrat's fiasco. Trump's fiasco is the country's fiasco. So like I said, it's very weird to be more concerned about the former than you are about the latter.

PB11041

The thing about the conspiracy theory of collusion with Russia...

Has anyone yet shown a person who was going to vote for Clinton, but because of a Facebook ad or Twitter bot changed their mind and flipped to Trump?

Particularly in the states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin.  

  

CM189191

RYME said:

josevolution said:

Yes the country voted a total idiot for our president ..
please post one good quality he possesses any of you up above ^^^^
i voted for Clinton If Bernie would got the nod I would of voted for him they both possess better leadership quality then the bafoon that's currently in Asia embarrassing this great country !!

1.Neil Gorsuch
2. Unemployment is at a 17-year low.
3. Better than 3% GDP growth.
4. Military spending is back up. So our military can have what I needs to function.
5. We haven't heard much from ISIS lately.
I call that a good start.
6. Took the regulatory burden boot off the neck of American businesses.

Neil Gorsuch is a joke.  I can't wait for him to resign after tRump does.

unsung

JimmyV said:

unsung said:

I'd actually be more concerned with my party believing that I was stupid enough for them to try to pull such a fast one.  The DNC must really hate its voters.  How insulting.

It's not my party. Kinda the point. The Democrat's fiasco is the Democrat's fiasco. Trump's fiasco is the country's fiasco. So like I said, it's very weird to be more concerned about the former than you are about the latter.

I was not trying to imply that it was your party.

You know I have been told time and time again to not live my life in fear on these forums, so the guy that has the crown doesn't really change the temperature of the interior of my refrigerator. 

unsung

PB11041 said:

The thing about the conspiracy theory of collusion with Russia...

Has anyone yet shown a person who was going to vote for Clinton, but because of a Facebook ad or Twitter bot changed their mind and flipped to Trump?

Particularly in the states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin.  

  

No.

JimmyV

PB11041 said:

The thing about the conspiracy theory of collusion with Russia...

Has anyone yet shown a person who was going to vote for Clinton, but because of a Facebook ad or Twitter bot changed their mind and flipped to Trump?

Particularly in the states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin.  

  

That's a fair question. I don't know that anyone has. I don't know that anyone can, either. Nate Silver has argued that Jim Comey was the decisive factor in 2016, but to do so he points to a pool of late deciding voters whose existence I question. Hillary Clinton has been at the top of Democratic politics for 25 years. I don't believe there were really that many people out there who didn't have an opinion on her one way or the other who could be convinced by Jim Comey or a Russian Facebook ad to vote for Donald Trump. What you had were people who were never likely to vote for Clinton, regardless of what they told exit polls. If it wasn't Comey or their crazy Uncle sharing something on Facebook it would have been something else, IMO. Not saying any of these things didn't hurt Clinton because they did. However, her weaknesses and flaws as a candidate overall is what ultimately led to her defeat.

 

HughFreakingDillon

PB11041 said:

The thing about the conspiracy theory of collusion with Russia...

Has anyone yet shown a person who was going to vote for Clinton, but because of a Facebook ad or Twitter bot changed their mind and flipped to Trump?

Particularly in the states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin.  

  

that would be impossible to quantify. if what you are saying here is what I think you are saying, the billions spent on political ads in the media are a complete waste of money?

Go Beavers

PB11041 said:

The thing about the conspiracy theory of collusion with Russia...

Has anyone yet shown a person who was going to vote for Clinton, but because of a Facebook ad or Twitter bot changed their mind and flipped to Trump?

Particularly in the states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin.  

  

There were a lot of people who waited until the last moment to decide who to vote for. Comey swayed it at the end. 

unsung

Why did Hillary Clinton spend over $1B for a $400k/yr job?  

Is she still doing those $200k speaking gigs?

Is she still taking donations for uranium?  Russian collusion being the topic, seems relevant. 

JimmyV

unsung said:

JimmyV said:

unsung said:

I'd actually be more concerned with my party believing that I was stupid enough for them to try to pull such a fast one.  The DNC must really hate its voters.  How insulting.

It's not my party. Kinda the point. The Democrat's fiasco is the Democrat's fiasco. Trump's fiasco is the country's fiasco. So like I said, it's very weird to be more concerned about the former than you are about the latter.

You know I have been told time and time again to not live my life in fear on these forums, so the guy that has the crown doesn't really change the temperature of the interior of my refrigerator. 

You were told not to live in fear when you were fearing the boogieman version of Barack Obama you had created in your head. It was good advice, but it doesn't quite apply the same way now.

unsung

LOL, it most certainly does.

josevolution

RYME said:

josevolution said:

Yes the country voted a total idiot for our president ..
please post one good quality he possesses any of you up above ^^^^
i voted for Clinton If Bernie would got the nod I would of voted for him they both possess better leadership quality then the bafoon that's currently in Asia embarrassing this great country !!

1.Neil Gorsuch
2. Unemployment is at a 17-year low.
3. Better than 3% GDP growth.
4. Military spending is back up. So our military can have what I needs to function.
5. We haven't heard much from ISIS lately.
I call that a good start.
6. Took the regulatory burden boot off the neck of American businesses.

I asked for good human quality's please post them and to your point yeas all good with the stock market but fuck the that stupid peice of paper that's called the constitution you could care less about human rights as long as your 403 is going up , so again please post the good human quality's that you could point too when telling your children about this President ? 

riley540

People actually like Hillary Clinton?