Off the deep end... (U.S. pulls out of Paris Agreement)

brianlux

Dang!

...and it continues through next week!

my2hands

6th Great Mass Exctinction in full swing... we are the planets first super predator... swallowing up everything in our path... laying waste to the environment and animal kingdom... extraction... exploitation... 

The aristocrat choir sings, "what's the ruckus"?

my2hands

God Bless Neil Young

https://youtu.be/IFhJ5wlPl4k

brianlux

my2hands said:

6th Great Mass Exctinction in full swing... we are the planets first super predator... swallowing up everything in our path... laying waste to the environment and animal kingdom... extraction... exploitation... 

The aristocrat choir sings, "what's the ruckus"?

Yep.  Pearl Jam, Self Titled, side one, track two.  We're doing it.

brianlux

Talk about hot:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/20/15837804/phoenix-extreme-heat-american-airlines-flight-cancel-science

It’s so hot in Phoenix, planes are physically unable to fly

tbergs

Hi-ho the dairio the US stands alone. How pathetic. Syria has joined leaving the US dragging bottom.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/syria-paris-climate-agreement/index.html

oftenreading

tbergs said:

Hi-ho the dairio the US stands alone. How pathetic. Syria has joined leaving the US dragging bottom.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/syria-paris-climate-agreement/index.html

American exceptionalism

HughFreakingDillon

that just confirms to trump and his supporters that they are indeed #1 and the smartest of the bunch. 

brianlux

What fools we look like to the rest of the world. 

The greatest nation on earth?  Greatest at what? Major embarrassment? 

No, more like major shame.

JC29856

brianlux said:

What fools we look like to the rest of the world. 

The greatest nation on earth?  Greatest at what? Major embarrassment? 

No, more like major shame.

You know what I find to be shameful and embarrassed of? Of those that continue to post about this "hollow" agreement without having read it. If you truly cared about the environment and actually read the agreement, I would guess you are more likely to be outraged about its worthlessness not having value to the paper it was drawn on. Please be honest with yourself, read the agreement and tell me what good it does? 

PJ_Soul

This reminds me of the fact that the TPP more and more seems to be regarded by the players specifically as a way to exclude the US going forward. Not because they wanted to, but because Trump is leaving them no choice. The rest of the world is realizing that it could be in their long term collective best interests to leave the US in the dust. I don't get the impression that Trump understands that the world is willing to do this, nor what that could mean to America's future. It could end up being seen in future history books as the most identifiable signal of the true beginning of America's decline. The Paris Agreement withdrawal I think is acting as yet another signal to the TPP members that they need to move on without the US. Long term economic goals of other nations and investors will often no longer include America as a major player. It's a huge turning point IMO..... I guess it remains to be seen if this damage Trump is causing can be reversed once (if) sanity is returned to the nation.

brianlux

JC29856 said:

brianlux said:

What fools we look like to the rest of the world. 

The greatest nation on earth?  Greatest at what? Major embarrassment? 

No, more like major shame.

You know what I find to be shameful and embarrassed of? Of those that continue to post about this "hollow" agreement without having read it. If you truly cared about the environment and actually read the agreement, I would guess you are more likely to be outraged about its worthlessness not having value to the paper it was drawn on. Please be honest with yourself, read the agreement and tell me what good it does? 

 No need to be  shameful of me, JC.  I know what it says, I know it falls WAY short of what we need and I know why I am ashamed that we are the only nation that has not signed it.

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

This reminds me of the fact that the TPP more and more seems to be regarded by the players specifically as a way to exclude the US going forward. Not because they wanted to, but because Trump is leaving them no choice. The rest of the world is realizing that it could be in their long term collective best interests to leave the US in the dust. I don't get the impression that Trump understands that the world is willing to do this, nor what that could mean to America's future. It could end up being seen in future history books as the most identifiable signal of the true beginning of America's decline. The Paris Agreement withdrawal I think is acting as yet another signal to the TPP members that they need to move on without the US. Long term economic goals of other nations and investors will often no longer include America as a major player. It's a huge turning point IMO..... I guess it remains to be seen if this damage Trump is causing can be reversed once (if) sanity is returned to the nation.

Greece, Rome, Great Britain, US.

josevolution

Syria agrees to sign on to the agreement leaving orange bafoon & America as the only country not in it heck he's not even on the guest list for the next summit...

josevolution

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/climate/syria-joins-paris-agreement.html

JC29856

brianlux said:

JC29856 said:

brianlux said:

What fools we look like to the rest of the world. 

The greatest nation on earth?  Greatest at what? Major embarrassment? 

No, more like major shame.

You know what I find to be shameful and embarrassed of? Of those that continue to post about this "hollow" agreement without having read it. If you truly cared about the environment and actually read the agreement, I would guess you are more likely to be outraged about its worthlessness not having value to the paper it was drawn on. Please be honest with yourself, read the agreement and tell me what good it does? 

 No need to be  shameful of me, JC.  I know what it says, I know it falls WAY short of what we need and I know why I am ashamed that we are the only nation that has not signed it.

I trust that you read the non-sense but I'll bet that most of those that post about the topic havent bothered. What Im saying is that the fervor over exiting the agreement is disproportionate to any actual good it can possibly do.

Correct me where Im wrong with regard to the agreement, I'll sum it up for those that didnt read it.
It is a non-binding, non-enforceable (wink and nod) agreement that relied on the "polluters" (every nation!) to set their own rules, set their own benchmarks, set their own time frames to abide by their own rules, and then to "police" themselves throughout the process and report the progress back to the Conference of Parties, in order to achieve these:

(a)Holding the increase in the global average temperature to well below 2 °C above pre-industrial levels and to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5 °C above pre-industrial levels, recognizing that this would significantly reduce the risks and impacts of climate change;

(b)Increasing the ability to adapt to the adverse impacts of climate change and foster climate resilience and low greenhouse gas emissions development, in a manner that does not threaten food production;

(c)Making finance flows consistent with a pathway towards low greenhouse gas emissions and climate resilient development.

http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2015/cop21/eng/l09r01.pdf

HughFreakingDillon

JC29856 said:

brianlux said:

JC29856 said:

brianlux said:

What fools we look like to the rest of the world. 

The greatest nation on earth?  Greatest at what? Major embarrassment? 

No, more like major shame.

You know what I find to be shameful and embarrassed of? Of those that continue to post about this "hollow" agreement without having read it. If you truly cared about the environment and actually read the agreement, I would guess you are more likely to be outraged about its worthlessness not having value to the paper it was drawn on. Please be honest with yourself, read the agreement and tell me what good it does? 

 No need to be  shameful of me, JC.  I know what it says, I know it falls WAY short of what we need and I know why I am ashamed that we are the only nation that has not signed it.

I trust that you read the non-sense but I'll bet that most of those that post about the topic havent bothered. What Im saying is that the fervor over exiting the agreement is disproportionate to any actual good it can possibly do.

Correct me where Im wrong with regard to the agreement, I'll sum it up for those that didnt read it.
It is a non-binding, non-enforceable (wink and nod) agreement that relied on the "polluters" (every nation!) to set their own rules, set their own benchmarks, set their own time frames to abide by their own rules, and then to "police" themselves throughout the process and report the progress back to the Conference of Parties, in order to achieve these:

(a)Holding the increase in the global average temperature to well below 2 °C above pre-industrial levels and to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5 °C above pre-industrial levels, recognizing that this would significantly reduce the risks and impacts of climate change;

(b)Increasing the ability to adapt to the adverse impacts of climate change and foster climate resilience and low greenhouse gas emissions development, in a manner that does not threaten food production;

(c)Making finance flows consistent with a pathway towards low greenhouse gas emissions and climate resilient development.

http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2015/cop21/eng/l09r01.pdf

ya gotta start somewhere. you think exiting is no big deal? especially one of the biggest polluters on the globe? getting everyone to the table is the first stage of progress. but trump left the table entirely. because he believes coal is the future. SMFH

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

brianlux said:

JC29856 said:

brianlux said:

What fools we look like to the rest of the world. 

The greatest nation on earth?  Greatest at what? Major embarrassment? 

No, more like major shame.

You know what I find to be shameful and embarrassed of? Of those that continue to post about this "hollow" agreement without having read it. If you truly cared about the environment and actually read the agreement, I would guess you are more likely to be outraged about its worthlessness not having value to the paper it was drawn on. Please be honest with yourself, read the agreement and tell me what good it does? 

 No need to be  shameful of me, JC.  I know what it says, I know it falls WAY short of what we need and I know why I am ashamed that we are the only nation that has not signed it.

I trust that you read the non-sense but I'll bet that most of those that post about the topic havent bothered. What Im saying is that the fervor over exiting the agreement is disproportionate to any actual good it can possibly do.

Correct me where Im wrong with regard to the agreement, I'll sum it up for those that didnt read it.
It is a non-binding, non-enforceable (wink and nod) agreement that relied on the "polluters" (every nation!) to set their own rules, set their own benchmarks, set their own time frames to abide by their own rules, and then to "police" themselves throughout the process and report the progress back to the Conference of Parties, in order to achieve these:

(a)Holding the increase in the global average temperature to well below 2 °C above pre-industrial levels and to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5 °C above pre-industrial levels, recognizing that this would significantly reduce the risks and impacts of climate change;

(b)Increasing the ability to adapt to the adverse impacts of climate change and foster climate resilience and low greenhouse gas emissions development, in a manner that does not threaten food production;

(c)Making finance flows consistent with a pathway towards low greenhouse gas emissions and climate resilient development.

http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2015/cop21/eng/l09r01.pdf

ya gotta start somewhere. you think exiting is no big deal? especially one of the biggest polluters on the globe? getting everyone to the table is the first stage of progress. but trump left the table entirely. because he believes coal is the future. SMFH

Yes, this is how I see it too.  The agreement is a start, not an end-all.  It is a way for every country to acknowledge the problem.  And it can be strengthened.  At this point, doing something is better than doing nothing or, as in the case of the U.S., going in the wrong direction all together.  

Halifax2TheMax

Just JC’s version of leadership and not understanding politics.

dignin

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

brianlux said:

JC29856 said:

brianlux said:

What fools we look like to the rest of the world. 

The greatest nation on earth?  Greatest at what? Major embarrassment? 

No, more like major shame.

You know what I find to be shameful and embarrassed of? Of those that continue to post about this "hollow" agreement without having read it. If you truly cared about the environment and actually read the agreement, I would guess you are more likely to be outraged about its worthlessness not having value to the paper it was drawn on. Please be honest with yourself, read the agreement and tell me what good it does? 

 No need to be  shameful of me, JC.  I know what it says, I know it falls WAY short of what we need and I know why I am ashamed that we are the only nation that has not signed it.

I trust that you read the non-sense but I'll bet that most of those that post about the topic havent bothered. What Im saying is that the fervor over exiting the agreement is disproportionate to any actual good it can possibly do.

Correct me where Im wrong with regard to the agreement, I'll sum it up for those that didnt read it.
It is a non-binding, non-enforceable (wink and nod) agreement that relied on the "polluters" (every nation!) to set their own rules, set their own benchmarks, set their own time frames to abide by their own rules, and then to "police" themselves throughout the process and report the progress back to the Conference of Parties, in order to achieve these:

(a)Holding the increase in the global average temperature to well below 2 °C above pre-industrial levels and to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5 °C above pre-industrial levels, recognizing that this would significantly reduce the risks and impacts of climate change;

(b)Increasing the ability to adapt to the adverse impacts of climate change and foster climate resilience and low greenhouse gas emissions development, in a manner that does not threaten food production;

(c)Making finance flows consistent with a pathway towards low greenhouse gas emissions and climate resilient development.

http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2015/cop21/eng/l09r01.pdf

ya gotta start somewhere. you think exiting is no big deal? especially one of the biggest polluters on the globe? getting everyone to the table is the first stage of progress. but trump left the table entirely. because he believes coal is the future. SMFH

Yes, this is how I see it too.  The agreement is a start, not an end-all.  It is a way for every country to acknowledge the problem.  And it can be strengthened.  At this point, doing something is better than doing nothing or, as in the case of the U.S., going in the wrong direction all together.  

It's all or nothing with some.....then they vote for Trump, which is of course worse than nothing, because any environmental progress made in the past 50 years is being reversed by this administration.

Then the Trump voter and supporter has the nerve to lecture us. It's nonsense and should be ignored.