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That is completely ridiculous. My property taxes are 1/10 of that on 3x the lot, but I also live in Trumpville...Umcgruff10 said:
Hey I'm for tax cuts on all levels. Shit I pay just under $11 grand a year in property taxes for a 2100 square foot house on less than a 1/4 acre. There's too much government on all levels, trim the fat!Halifax2TheMax said:
Someone should tell Trump.mcgruff10 said:
of course it doesn't!Halifax2TheMax said:
David Stockman, Reagan's budget director, coined the term. He has since renounced the theory as it doesn't work.mcgruff10 said:
Did you know that democrats made that phrase up in the 1980's (although it was first used during the Hoover days)? And has anyone used that phrase since 1992? lolPJ_Soul said:
To me it is nicely summarized by the term "trickle down economics", which is, of course, a myth than the right keeps dreaming about. It's like the unicorn of economics, and Republicans believe in unicorns.Go Beavers said:
Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending.cincybearcat said:
Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right. Right on economics mostly. Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right. Far left on 2nd amendment.mcgruff10 said:Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
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Yeah New Jersey is out of control.tbergs said:
That is completely ridiculous. My property taxes are 1/10 of that on 3x the lot, but I also live in Trumpville...Umcgruff10 said:
Hey I'm for tax cuts on all levels. Shit I pay just under $11 grand a year in property taxes for a 2100 square foot house on less than a 1/4 acre. There's too much government on all levels, trim the fat!Halifax2TheMax said:
Someone should tell Trump.mcgruff10 said:
of course it doesn't!Halifax2TheMax said:
David Stockman, Reagan's budget director, coined the term. He has since renounced the theory as it doesn't work.mcgruff10 said:
Did you know that democrats made that phrase up in the 1980's (although it was first used during the Hoover days)? And has anyone used that phrase since 1992? lolPJ_Soul said:
To me it is nicely summarized by the term "trickle down economics", which is, of course, a myth than the right keeps dreaming about. It's like the unicorn of economics, and Republicans believe in unicorns.Go Beavers said:
Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending.cincybearcat said:
Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right. Right on economics mostly. Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right. Far left on 2nd amendment.mcgruff10 said:Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Hm. Seems they didn't, according to another post? Anyway, I don't care who coined it. It is a good term.mcgruff10 said:
Did you know that democrats made that phrase up in the 1980's (although it was first used during the Hoover days)? And has anyone used that phrase since 1992? lolPJ_Soul said:
To me it is nicely summarized by the term "trickle down economics", which is, of course, a myth than the right keeps dreaming about. It's like the unicorn of economics, and Republicans believe in unicorns.Go Beavers said:
Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending.cincybearcat said:
Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right. Right on economics mostly. Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right. Far left on 2nd amendment.mcgruff10 said:Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment.
Yes, it is still a common term. It perfectly describes the ridiculous belief on the part of the Republicans that giving more to the rich benefits everybody. It's crazy shit, but they still obviously believe it (well, the idiot Republican masses believe it anyway. The Republican politicians very likely know it's bullshit and just work to keep the masses believing it's true, lol).
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mcgruff10 said:
Yeah New Jersey is out of control.tbergs said:
That is completely ridiculous. My property taxes are 1/10 of that on 3x the lot, but I also live in Trumpville...Umcgruff10 said:
Hey I'm for tax cuts on all levels. Shit I pay just under $11 grand a year in property taxes for a 2100 square foot house on less than a 1/4 acre. There's too much government on all levels, trim the fat!Halifax2TheMax said:
Someone should tell Trump.mcgruff10 said:
of course it doesn't!Halifax2TheMax said:
David Stockman, Reagan's budget director, coined the term. He has since renounced the theory as it doesn't work.mcgruff10 said:
Did you know that democrats made that phrase up in the 1980's (although it was first used during the Hoover days)? And has anyone used that phrase since 1992? lolPJ_Soul said:
To me it is nicely summarized by the term "trickle down economics", which is, of course, a myth than the right keeps dreaming about. It's like the unicorn of economics, and Republicans believe in unicorns.Go Beavers said:
Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending.cincybearcat said:
Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right. Right on economics mostly. Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right. Far left on 2nd amendment.mcgruff10 said:Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment.
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Yeah, property taxes are determined by the state/province and the municipality/city/whatever. The governor is the target, and so is your mayor..... I bet if state and local taxes were increased for the richest instead of lowered, your property taxes wouldn't be so high. Instead it's the other way around. Gotta love right wing economics!Halifax2TheMax said:mcgruff10 said:
Yeah New Jersey is out of control.tbergs said:
That is completely ridiculous. My property taxes are 1/10 of that on 3x the lot, but I also live in Trumpville...Umcgruff10 said:
Hey I'm for tax cuts on all levels. Shit I pay just under $11 grand a year in property taxes for a 2100 square foot house on less than a 1/4 acre. There's too much government on all levels, trim the fat!Halifax2TheMax said:
Someone should tell Trump.mcgruff10 said:
of course it doesn't!Halifax2TheMax said:
David Stockman, Reagan's budget director, coined the term. He has since renounced the theory as it doesn't work.mcgruff10 said:
Did you know that democrats made that phrase up in the 1980's (although it was first used during the Hoover days)? And has anyone used that phrase since 1992? lolPJ_Soul said:
To me it is nicely summarized by the term "trickle down economics", which is, of course, a myth than the right keeps dreaming about. It's like the unicorn of economics, and Republicans believe in unicorns.Go Beavers said:
Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending.cincybearcat said:
Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right. Right on economics mostly. Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right. Far left on 2nd amendment.mcgruff10 said:Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment.
You should be railing against your BridgeGate governor then, yes?
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He s been saying for nearly 8 years that he was gonna cut property taxes. I'm still waiting for mine to go down.Halifax2TheMax said:mcgruff10 said:
Yeah New Jersey is out of control.tbergs said:
That is completely ridiculous. My property taxes are 1/10 of that on 3x the lot, but I also live in Trumpville...Umcgruff10 said:
Hey I'm for tax cuts on all levels. Shit I pay just under $11 grand a year in property taxes for a 2100 square foot house on less than a 1/4 acre. There's too much government on all levels, trim the fat!Halifax2TheMax said:
Someone should tell Trump.mcgruff10 said:
of course it doesn't!Halifax2TheMax said:
David Stockman, Reagan's budget director, coined the term. He has since renounced the theory as it doesn't work.mcgruff10 said:
Did you know that democrats made that phrase up in the 1980's (although it was first used during the Hoover days)? And has anyone used that phrase since 1992? lolPJ_Soul said:
To me it is nicely summarized by the term "trickle down economics", which is, of course, a myth than the right keeps dreaming about. It's like the unicorn of economics, and Republicans believe in unicorns.Go Beavers said:
Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending.cincybearcat said:
Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right. Right on economics mostly. Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right. Far left on 2nd amendment.mcgruff10 said:Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment.
You should be railing against your BridgeGate governor then, yes?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I'm pretty sure it isn't right wing economics since new jersey has been deep blue for decades.PJ_Soul said:
Yeah, property taxes are determined by the state/province and the municipality/city/whatever. The governor is the target, and so is your mayor..... I bet if state and local taxes were increased for the richest instead of lowered, your property taxes wouldn't be so high. Instead it's the other way around. Gotta love right wing economics!Halifax2TheMax said:mcgruff10 said:
Yeah New Jersey is out of control.tbergs said:
That is completely ridiculous. My property taxes are 1/10 of that on 3x the lot, but I also live in Trumpville...Umcgruff10 said:
Hey I'm for tax cuts on all levels. Shit I pay just under $11 grand a year in property taxes for a 2100 square foot house on less than a 1/4 acre. There's too much government on all levels, trim the fat!Halifax2TheMax said:
Someone should tell Trump.mcgruff10 said:
of course it doesn't!Halifax2TheMax said:
David Stockman, Reagan's budget director, coined the term. He has since renounced the theory as it doesn't work.mcgruff10 said:
Did you know that democrats made that phrase up in the 1980's (although it was first used during the Hoover days)? And has anyone used that phrase since 1992? lolPJ_Soul said:
To me it is nicely summarized by the term "trickle down economics", which is, of course, a myth than the right keeps dreaming about. It's like the unicorn of economics, and Republicans believe in unicorns.Go Beavers said:
Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending.cincybearcat said:
Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right. Right on economics mostly. Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right. Far left on 2nd amendment.mcgruff10 said:Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment.
You should be railing against your BridgeGate governor then, yes?
I could care less who created it but something must be done.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I think Jersey is purple at best, if you really look at it's recent history, and now with a Republican governor for a while now. Not sure who your mayor is (are mayors democrats or republicans in the USA?? That isn't how it works where I am) .... But anyway, what's a reasonable property tax? What percentage of your assessment are you paying now? $11,000 seems VERY excessive unless your home is worth a LOT. Are you sure you're not including your utility fees and shit like that?
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You've had a Republican governor for seven years now. I think they share some responsibility for the current economic situation.mcgruff10 said:
I'm pretty sure it isn't right wing economics since new jersey has been deep blue for decades.PJ_Soul said:
Yeah, property taxes are determined by the state/province and the municipality/city/whatever. The governor is the target, and so is your mayor..... I bet if state and local taxes were increased for the richest instead of lowered, your property taxes wouldn't be so high. Instead it's the other way around. Gotta love right wing economics!Halifax2TheMax said:mcgruff10 said:
Yeah New Jersey is out of control.tbergs said:
That is completely ridiculous. My property taxes are 1/10 of that on 3x the lot, but I also live in Trumpville...Umcgruff10 said:
Hey I'm for tax cuts on all levels. Shit I pay just under $11 grand a year in property taxes for a 2100 square foot house on less than a 1/4 acre. There's too much government on all levels, trim the fat!Halifax2TheMax said:
Someone should tell Trump.mcgruff10 said:
of course it doesn't!Halifax2TheMax said:
David Stockman, Reagan's budget director, coined the term. He has since renounced the theory as it doesn't work.mcgruff10 said:
Did you know that democrats made that phrase up in the 1980's (although it was first used during the Hoover days)? And has anyone used that phrase since 1992? lolPJ_Soul said:
To me it is nicely summarized by the term "trickle down economics", which is, of course, a myth than the right keeps dreaming about. It's like the unicorn of economics, and Republicans believe in unicorns.Go Beavers said:
Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending.cincybearcat said:
Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right. Right on economics mostly. Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right. Far left on 2nd amendment.mcgruff10 said:Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment.
You should be railing against your BridgeGate governor then, yes?
I could care less who created it but something must be done.
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I pay a tenth of that for 5 acres!!
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Allie,PJ_Soul said:I think Jersey is purple at best, if you really look at it's recent history, and now with a Republican governor for a while now. Not sure who your mayor is (are mayors democrats or republicans in the USA?? That isn't how it works where I am) .... But anyway, what's a reasonable property tax? What percentage of your assessment are you paying now? $11,000 seems VERY excessive unless your home is worth a LOT. Are you sure you're not including your utility fees and shit like that?
Trust me, new jersey is very very blue. We might have a republican governor but it's blue through and through. Pretty sure we haven't voted red in a presidential election since H was elected.
My current mayor is a democrat but the council is republican.
Reasonable property tax? No clue but I know it's not mine. tbergs said his is waaaay lower than mine and has a much bigger property. New Jersey has the highest property taxes in the nation.
My taxes are nothing compared to counties that lie right outside of new york. The same house as mine might pay 15 or 16 grand a year in property taxes with even less property.
And i'm positive utility fees are not included in it lol.
My house is assessed around $420,000...not that much.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
That's still way too high. My house is half that value, but if you put it in the big city, same price easy, which is why we moved to the sticks. City taxes were still more around the 4 - 5 thousand for that lot size unless you had water front and then they get ridiculous. Property taxes is always one of the first things I look at when buying a house because they can easily kill any price saving you're getting on the house.mcgruff10 said:
Allie,PJ_Soul said:I think Jersey is purple at best, if you really look at it's recent history, and now with a Republican governor for a while now. Not sure who your mayor is (are mayors democrats or republicans in the USA?? That isn't how it works where I am) .... But anyway, what's a reasonable property tax? What percentage of your assessment are you paying now? $11,000 seems VERY excessive unless your home is worth a LOT. Are you sure you're not including your utility fees and shit like that?
Trust me, new jersey is very very blue. We might have a republican governor but it's blue through and through. Pretty sure we haven't voted red in a presidential election since H was elected.
My current mayor is a democrat but the council is republican.
Reasonable property tax? No clue but I know it's not mine. tbergs said his is waaaay lower than mine and has a much bigger property. New Jersey has the highest property taxes in the nation.
My taxes are nothing compared to counties that lie right outside of new york. The same house as mine might pay 15 or 16 grand a year in property taxes with even less property.
And i'm positive utility fees are not included in it lol.
My house is assessed around $420,000...not that much.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
It's ridiculously high.tbergs said:
That's still way too high. My house is half that value, but if you put it in the big city, same price easy, which is why we moved to the sticks. City taxes were still more around the 4 - 5 thousand for that lot size unless you had water front and then they get ridiculous. Property taxes is always one of the first things I look at when buying a house because they can easily kill any price saving you're getting on the house.mcgruff10 said:
Allie,PJ_Soul said:I think Jersey is purple at best, if you really look at it's recent history, and now with a Republican governor for a while now. Not sure who your mayor is (are mayors democrats or republicans in the USA?? That isn't how it works where I am) .... But anyway, what's a reasonable property tax? What percentage of your assessment are you paying now? $11,000 seems VERY excessive unless your home is worth a LOT. Are you sure you're not including your utility fees and shit like that?
Trust me, new jersey is very very blue. We might have a republican governor but it's blue through and through. Pretty sure we haven't voted red in a presidential election since H was elected.
My current mayor is a democrat but the council is republican.
Reasonable property tax? No clue but I know it's not mine. tbergs said his is waaaay lower than mine and has a much bigger property. New Jersey has the highest property taxes in the nation.
My taxes are nothing compared to counties that lie right outside of new york. The same house as mine might pay 15 or 16 grand a year in property taxes with even less property.
And i'm positive utility fees are not included in it lol.
My house is assessed around $420,000...not that much.
If you put my house 30 miles south it's worth maybe 300. If you put my house in Bergen or Essex county (right outside nyc) then it's $650-$850 and taxes would be around 22-25 grand depending on the town.
Why am I thinking you are from Minnesota?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
what difference does it make?Godfather. said:just a thought: the supporters on the right seems to voice their opinions and concerns in a more quite civil kind of way like voting and peaceful rally's for the most part, I'm sure there a few right wingers that acted stupid but... the leftist seem to want to destroy public and private property, block freeways and handle their anger with violence but I'm sure this has been the Democratic way from day one. any thoughts on why the left and right are so different ?
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Because I ammcgruff10 said:
It's ridiculously high.tbergs said:
That's still way too high. My house is half that value, but if you put it in the big city, same price easy, which is why we moved to the sticks. City taxes were still more around the 4 - 5 thousand for that lot size unless you had water front and then they get ridiculous. Property taxes is always one of the first things I look at when buying a house because they can easily kill any price saving you're getting on the house.mcgruff10 said:
Allie,PJ_Soul said:I think Jersey is purple at best, if you really look at it's recent history, and now with a Republican governor for a while now. Not sure who your mayor is (are mayors democrats or republicans in the USA?? That isn't how it works where I am) .... But anyway, what's a reasonable property tax? What percentage of your assessment are you paying now? $11,000 seems VERY excessive unless your home is worth a LOT. Are you sure you're not including your utility fees and shit like that?
Trust me, new jersey is very very blue. We might have a republican governor but it's blue through and through. Pretty sure we haven't voted red in a presidential election since H was elected.
My current mayor is a democrat but the council is republican.
Reasonable property tax? No clue but I know it's not mine. tbergs said his is waaaay lower than mine and has a much bigger property. New Jersey has the highest property taxes in the nation.
My taxes are nothing compared to counties that lie right outside of new york. The same house as mine might pay 15 or 16 grand a year in property taxes with even less property.
And i'm positive utility fees are not included in it lol.
My house is assessed around $420,000...not that much.
If you put my house 30 miles south it's worth maybe 300. If you put my house in Bergen or Essex county (right outside nyc) then it's $650-$850 and taxes would be around 22-25 grand depending on the town.
Why am I thinking you are from Minnesota?
The lovely city of St. Paul formerly was our home and now 30 miles south. Commute sucks sometimes, but we save a ton in price/acre and house. We couldn't afford anything we really liked in the city. Hate the carbon footprint and miss my bike commute though. Keep pushing for those lower property taxes. There should be some real obvious perks to paying that much.
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That's local. You probably live in New Jersey?mcgruff10 said:
Hey I'm for tax cuts on all levels. Shit I pay just under $11 grand a year in property taxes for a 2100 square foot house on less than a 1/4 acre. There's too much government on all levels, trim the fat!Halifax2TheMax said:
Someone should tell Trump.mcgruff10 said:
of course it doesn't!Halifax2TheMax said:
David Stockman, Reagan's budget director, coined the term. He has since renounced the theory as it doesn't work.mcgruff10 said:
Did you know that democrats made that phrase up in the 1980's (although it was first used during the Hoover days)? And has anyone used that phrase since 1992? lolPJ_Soul said:
To me it is nicely summarized by the term "trickle down economics", which is, of course, a myth than the right keeps dreaming about. It's like the unicorn of economics, and Republicans believe in unicorns.Go Beavers said:
Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending.cincybearcat said:
Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right. Right on economics mostly. Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right. Far left on 2nd amendment.mcgruff10 said:Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment.0 -
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Because I ammcgruff10 said:
It's ridiculously high.tbergs said:
That's still way too high. My house is half that value, but if you put it in the big city, same price easy, which is why we moved to the sticks. City taxes were still more around the 4 - 5 thousand for that lot size unless you had water front and then they get ridiculous. Property taxes is always one of the first things I look at when buying a house because they can easily kill any price saving you're getting on the house.mcgruff10 said:
Allie,PJ_Soul said:I think Jersey is purple at best, if you really look at it's recent history, and now with a Republican governor for a while now. Not sure who your mayor is (are mayors democrats or republicans in the USA?? That isn't how it works where I am) .... But anyway, what's a reasonable property tax? What percentage of your assessment are you paying now? $11,000 seems VERY excessive unless your home is worth a LOT. Are you sure you're not including your utility fees and shit like that?
Trust me, new jersey is very very blue. We might have a republican governor but it's blue through and through. Pretty sure we haven't voted red in a presidential election since H was elected.
My current mayor is a democrat but the council is republican.
Reasonable property tax? No clue but I know it's not mine. tbergs said his is waaaay lower than mine and has a much bigger property. New Jersey has the highest property taxes in the nation.
My taxes are nothing compared to counties that lie right outside of new york. The same house as mine might pay 15 or 16 grand a year in property taxes with even less property.
And i'm positive utility fees are not included in it lol.
My house is assessed around $420,000...not that much.
If you put my house 30 miles south it's worth maybe 300. If you put my house in Bergen or Essex county (right outside nyc) then it's $650-$850 and taxes would be around 22-25 grand depending on the town.
Why am I thinking you are from Minnesota? The lovely city of St. Paul formerly was our home and now 30 miles south. Commute sucks sometimes, but we save a ton in price/acre and house. We couldn't afford anything we really liked in the city. Hate the carbon footprint and miss my bike commute though. Keep pushing for those lower property taxes. There should be some real obvious perks to paying that much.
I own a 2BR condo inside Minneapolis city limits. My mortgage is less than some of these people's property taxes.0
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