Left or Right, which way do you lean ?

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Why are all of you still engaging in this conversation with GF? Surely you don't think you're going to convince him to see reason.

it's not trying to convince him otherwise. it's more of a "I still can't believe people think this way" type of fascination. 

Fair enough! After giving this general issue some thought, I think I feel comfortable boiling it down to a lot of people simply being completely irrational when it comes to politics. End of story.

mcgruff10

Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment. 

HughFreakingDillon

mcgruff10 said:

Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment. 

i'm the same on your first 3. 

cincybearcat

mcgruff10 said:

Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment. 

Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right.  Right on economics mostly.  Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right.  Far left on 2nd amendment.

oftenreading

Godfather. said:

Your question actually brings up questions about how the right perceives things. Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? Why does the right give their own a pass when they're violent? But back to your question about why they're different. I see conservatives as very fear driven and holding on to a past that never really existed in the first place, but they still want to go back there. I see them disregard facts because they often hold onto an outdated belief system woven with myths and misperceptions. They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along.

very good reply, a few of the points you mentioned cross over to both sides. "They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along" I really believe this to be true for people on both sides, the human species is so predictable and un-predictable at the same time. " Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? " because it's an easy target, we all...or most of us look for the easy target, the AMT is full of examples.

Who hacked godfather's account?

if I believe you or anybody else to be correct there is no point in arguing and your statement nailed it....people in general left or right.

Compare the left's response when baby bush was in office to the right's response when Obama was. Of course it's going through my filter, but I saw the left reaction to bush as more specific to the action. E.g. Direct criticism to the Iraq war and what consequences that would have. The right's response to Obama was totally irrational. A constant theme of tossing out fear based labels: Kenyan Muslim Marxist blah blah. Not to mention the continual noise about how he was going to destroy the country, and now has left behind a disaster (don't bother asking for specifics about these, though).

I mostly agree. But the left has taken a page from the right with their early attacks on the Donald...small hand...orange...hair...they've met the crazy right halfway.

I see that as human physics - an action is getting an equal and opposite reaction. We have an authoritarian, xenophobic bigot president who has called on his supporters to be violent with the opposition. No surprise that some have gotten violent/destructive in their opposition.

didn't Obama do the same thing by saying anybody that votes Trump will is a disappointment to me ?...or something along those lines in fact I believe Hillary is guilty of the same thing telling her rioters/followers not to give up. putting all the right left stuff to the side this last election was a total abuse of trust by the candidates and even Obama abused his popularity and position ....in my opinion anyway.

Have you got a source for Obama saying that anyone who voted Trump was a disappointment to him? I'm guessing not, but thought I'd ask.

oh please, you don't remember him stating something to that effect ? not those exact words but close enough ?

No, I don't remember that, and couldn't find it when I tried to google it. Perhaps you can find the source. All I can find are instances where Obama was measured and polite about Trump despite Trump's boorish behaviour toward him. 

Halifax2TheMax

Godfather. said:

Your question actually brings up questions about how the right perceives things. Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? Why does the right give their own a pass when they're violent? But back to your question about why they're different. I see conservatives as very fear driven and holding on to a past that never really existed in the first place, but they still want to go back there. I see them disregard facts because they often hold onto an outdated belief system woven with myths and misperceptions. They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along.

very good reply, a few of the points you mentioned cross over to both sides. "They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along" I really believe this to be true for people on both sides, the human species is so predictable and un-predictable at the same time. " Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? " because it's an easy target, we all...or most of us look for the easy target, the AMT is full of examples.

Who hacked godfather's account?

if I believe you or anybody else to be correct there is no point in arguing and your statement nailed it....people in general left or right.

Compare the left's response when baby bush was in office to the right's response when Obama was. Of course it's going through my filter, but I saw the left reaction to bush as more specific to the action. E.g. Direct criticism to the Iraq war and what consequences that would have. The right's response to Obama was totally irrational. A constant theme of tossing out fear based labels: Kenyan Muslim Marxist blah blah. Not to mention the continual noise about how he was going to destroy the country, and now has left behind a disaster (don't bother asking for specifics about these, though).

I mostly agree. But the left has taken a page from the right with their early attacks on the Donald...small hand...orange...hair...they've met the crazy right halfway.

I see that as human physics - an action is getting an equal and opposite reaction. We have an authoritarian, xenophobic bigot president who has called on his supporters to be violent with the opposition. No surprise that some have gotten violent/destructive in their opposition.

didn't Obama do the same thing by saying anybody that votes Trump will is a disappointment to me ?...or something along those lines in fact I believe Hillary is guilty of the same thing telling her rioters/followers not to give up. putting all the right left stuff to the side this last election was a total abuse of trust by the candidates and even Obama abused his popularity and position ....in my opinion anyway.

point to me ONE example of obama or hillary calling on their supporters to be violent.

not calling for a peaceful transition of power was one thing and encouraging their supporters not give up and saying that stupid shit while the leftist rioters burned shit down or destroyed cop cars and store fronts...you don't remember that ???.....oh wait you live in Canada and probably missed it on FOXNEWS anyway.

When did leftist rioters "burn shit down or destroyed cop cars and store fronts," because Trump was elected president? When did that happen? Can you link me to the Fox news reporting of such? As far as I remember, there was a peaceful transition of power. But correct me GF, please.

Go Beavers

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment. 

Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right.  Right on economics mostly.  Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right.  Far left on 2nd amendment.

Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending. 

HesCalledDyer

My right leg is a little shorter than the left, so I naturally lean right until that becomes uncomfortable and I shift my weight toward the left.  Also if my sciatic nerve is bothering me, I'll favor the left slightly but try to remain in a central position.

mcgruff10

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment. 

Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right.  Right on economics mostly.  Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right.  Far left on 2nd amendment.

Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending. 

to me  it's lower taxes and less government.  waaaay too much government out there. tax cuts for corporations that stay in america instead of going overseas. I always equated deficit spending with democrats but I could be wrong.

hugh, i'm definitely to the right when it comes to the 2nd amendment but I believe in back ground checks, training and registration.

the only issue i'm still on the fence about is the death penalty.  
but yeah i'm right in the middle.  

unsung

InHiding80 said:

I lean for Liberty.

Could never tell from your White nationalist agenda posts.

I feel like I owe you rent money because I am always in your head.

CM189191

Godfather. said:

any thoughts on why the left and right are so different ?

We're smarter and more productive?

PJ_Soul

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment. 

Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right.  Right on economics mostly.  Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right.  Far left on 2nd amendment.

Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending. 

To me it is nicely summarized by the term "trickle down economics", which is, of course, a myth that the right keeps dreaming about. It's like the unicorn of economics, and Republicans believe in unicorns.

HughFreakingDillon

to me saying right on economics is a general way of saying conservative spender. the democrats in manitoba spent spent spent and put our province in a nearly infinite hole. they got trounced in the election for a reason. and now government and crown corporation employees are feeling the pinch because of their gross fiscal mismanagement. 

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment. 

Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right.  Right on economics mostly.  Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right.  Far left on 2nd amendment.

Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending. 

To me it is nicely summarized by the term "trickle down economics", which is, of course, a myth than the right keeps dreaming about. It's like the unicorn of economics, and Republicans believe in unicorns.

Did you know that democrats made that phrase up in the 1980's (although it was first used during the Hoover days)?  And has anyone used that phrase since 1992? lol

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment. 

Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right.  Right on economics mostly.  Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right.  Far left on 2nd amendment.

Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending. 

To me it is nicely summarized by the term "trickle down economics", which is, of course, a myth than the right keeps dreaming about. It's like the unicorn of economics, and Republicans believe in unicorns.

trickle down economics is the biggest trojan horse the repub's pulled on their base. "yeah, we'll give a rich guy more money, and he'll pass on the profits down to you". anyone who has any clue about how the rich get rich didn't believe that shit for a second. 

rgambs

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment. 

Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right.  Right on economics mostly.  Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right.  Far left on 2nd amendment.

Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending. 

To me it is nicely summarized by the term "trickle down economics", which is, of course, a myth than the right keeps dreaming about. It's like the unicorn of economics, and Republicans believe in unicorns.

Did you know that democrats made that phrase up in the 1980's (although it was first used during the Hoover days)?  And has anyone used that phrase since 1992? lol


It's a shoe that fits, and that's why people still wear it, because it still fits.

Halifax2TheMax

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment. 

Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right.  Right on economics mostly.  Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right.  Far left on 2nd amendment.

Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending. 

To me it is nicely summarized by the term "trickle down economics", which is, of course, a myth than the right keeps dreaming about. It's like the unicorn of economics, and Republicans believe in unicorns.

Did you know that democrats made that phrase up in the 1980's (although it was first used during the Hoover days)?  And has anyone used that phrase since 1992? lol

David Stockman, Reagan's budget director, coined the term. He has since renounced the theory as it doesn't work.

mcgruff10

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment. 

Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right.  Right on economics mostly.  Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right.  Far left on 2nd amendment.

Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending. 

To me it is nicely summarized by the term "trickle down economics", which is, of course, a myth than the right keeps dreaming about. It's like the unicorn of economics, and Republicans believe in unicorns.

Did you know that democrats made that phrase up in the 1980's (although it was first used during the Hoover days)?  And has anyone used that phrase since 1992? lol

David Stockman, Reagan's budget director, coined the term. He has since renounced the theory as it doesn't work.

of course it doesn't!  

Halifax2TheMax

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment. 

Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right.  Right on economics mostly.  Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right.  Far left on 2nd amendment.

Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending. 

To me it is nicely summarized by the term "trickle down economics", which is, of course, a myth than the right keeps dreaming about. It's like the unicorn of economics, and Republicans believe in unicorns.

Did you know that democrats made that phrase up in the 1980's (although it was first used during the Hoover days)?  And has anyone used that phrase since 1992? lol

David Stockman, Reagan's budget director, coined the term. He has since renounced the theory as it doesn't work.

of course it doesn't!  

Someone should tell Trump.

mcgruff10

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

Left on social issues, right on economics. Left on environment, right on second amendment. 

Left on a lot of social, but not all, some I'm decently far right.  Right on economics mostly.  Center on environment...been moving left compared to the maintstream right.  Far left on 2nd amendment.

Can someone tell me what right on economics is? Because to me it's corporate handouts and deficit spending. 

To me it is nicely summarized by the term "trickle down economics", which is, of course, a myth than the right keeps dreaming about. It's like the unicorn of economics, and Republicans believe in unicorns.

Did you know that democrats made that phrase up in the 1980's (although it was first used during the Hoover days)?  And has anyone used that phrase since 1992? lol

David Stockman, Reagan's budget director, coined the term. He has since renounced the theory as it doesn't work.

of course it doesn't!  

Someone should tell Trump.

Hey I'm for tax cuts on all levels.  Shit I pay just under $11 grand a year in property taxes for a 2100 square foot house on less than a 1/4 acre.  There's too much government on all levels, trim the fat!