Left or Right, which way do you lean ?

Go Beavers

InHiding80 said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

just a thought:
the supporters on the right seems to voice their opinions and concerns in a more quite civil kind of way like voting and peaceful rally's for the most part, I'm sure there a few
right wingers that acted stupid but... the leftist seem to want to destroy public and private property, block freeways and handle their anger with violence but I'm sure this has
been the Democratic way from day one.

any thoughts on why the left and right are so different ?

Any poll results where the pollster requests information and simultaneously introduces his or her own bias(es), should be invalidated immediately. Godfather, your opinion has no place in the solicitation of a polling question if you expect (or even want) honesty. Based on the way this is written, though, you're trying to solicit anger rather than information.

I am a leftist who does not want to destroy any property, block any freeway, or handle my anger with anything other than progressive change. The leftist you are describing exists, albeit as a more-vocal minority. An equally behaved rightist exists too, whose percentage relative to those 'extremists' on the left is unknowable by you or me in any meaningful (non-anecdotal) way.

Most of those are Hillary supporting Bernie and Jill haters. Jill and Bernie supporters knew it was over before but those neo alt lib punks didn't listen. I don't fight unless the other side draws first blood. Those types have no right to complain and riot and are just as bad as cult45. Fuck them.

You think the people doing the property damage are Hillary supporters?

cincybearcat

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Your question actually brings up questions about how the right perceives things. Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? Why does the right give their own a pass when they're violent? But back to your question about why they're different. I see conservatives as very fear driven and holding on to a past that never really existed in the first place, but they still want to go back there. I see them disregard facts because they often hold onto an outdated belief system woven with myths and misperceptions. They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along.

very good reply, a few of the points you mentioned cross over to both sides.

"They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along"

I really believe this to be true for people on both sides, the human species is so predictable and un-predictable at the same time.

" Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? "
because it's an easy target, we all...or most of us look for the easy target, the AMT is full of examples.

Who hacked godfather's account?

if I believe you or anybody else to be correct there is no point in arguing and your statement nailed it....people in general left or right.

Compare the left's response when baby bush was in office to the right's response when Obama was. Of course it's going through my filter, but I saw the left reaction to bush as more specific to the action. E.g. Direct criticism to the Iraq war and what consequences that would have. The right's response to Obama was totally irrational. A constant theme of tossing out fear based labels: Kenyan Muslim Marxist blah blah. Not to mention the continual noise about how he was going to destroy the country, and now has left behind a disaster (don't bother asking for specifics about these, though).

I mostly agree. But the left has taken a page from the right with their early attacks on the Donald...small hand...orange...hair...they've met the crazy right halfway.

Go Beavers

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Your question actually brings up questions about how the right perceives things. Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? Why does the right give their own a pass when they're violent? But back to your question about why they're different. I see conservatives as very fear driven and holding on to a past that never really existed in the first place, but they still want to go back there. I see them disregard facts because they often hold onto an outdated belief system woven with myths and misperceptions. They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along.

very good reply, a few of the points you mentioned cross over to both sides.

"They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along"

I really believe this to be true for people on both sides, the human species is so predictable and un-predictable at the same time.

" Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? "
because it's an easy target, we all...or most of us look for the easy target, the AMT is full of examples.

Who hacked godfather's account?

if I believe you or anybody else to be correct there is no point in arguing and your statement nailed it....people in general left or right.

Compare the left's response when baby bush was in office to the right's response when Obama was. Of course it's going through my filter, but I saw the left reaction to bush as more specific to the action. E.g. Direct criticism to the Iraq war and what consequences that would have. The right's response to Obama was totally irrational. A constant theme of tossing out fear based labels: Kenyan Muslim Marxist blah blah. Not to mention the continual noise about how he was going to destroy the country, and now has left behind a disaster (don't bother asking for specifics about these, though).

I mostly agree. But the left has taken a page from the right with their early attacks on the Donald...small hand...orange...hair...they've met the crazy right halfway.

I see that as human physics - an action is getting an equal and opposite reaction. We have an authoritarian, xenophobic bigot president who has called on his supporters to be violent with the opposition. No surprise that some have gotten violent/destructive in their opposition.

brianlux

Godfather. said:

just a thought:
the supporters on the right seems to voice their opinions and concerns in a more quite civil kind of way like voting and peaceful rally's for the most part, I'm sure there a few
right wingers that acted stupid but... the leftist seem to want to destroy public and private property, block freeways and handle their anger with violence but I'm sure this has
been the Democratic way from day one.

any thoughts on why the left and right are so different ?

GF, the news media loves to zoom in on the few fringe who like to trash shit. Fact is, most (so-called) left demonstrators are quite civil. If you attended some of these events, you'd know this to be true.

As far as leaning goes, I don't lean. I stand straight and tall (well, not as tall I as used to but, you know...)

Bentleyspop

my2hands said:

I wonder which way Timothy McVeigh leaned?

A direction similar to alex jones and steve bannon

Godfather.

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Your question actually brings up questions about how the right perceives things. Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? Why does the right give their own a pass when they're violent? But back to your question about why they're different. I see conservatives as very fear driven and holding on to a past that never really existed in the first place, but they still want to go back there. I see them disregard facts because they often hold onto an outdated belief system woven with myths and misperceptions. They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along.

very good reply, a few of the points you mentioned cross over to both sides.

"They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along"

I really believe this to be true for people on both sides, the human species is so predictable and un-predictable at the same time.

" Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? "
because it's an easy target, we all...or most of us look for the easy target, the AMT is full of examples.

Who hacked godfather's account?

if I believe you or anybody else to be correct there is no point in arguing and your statement nailed it....people in general left or right.

Compare the left's response when baby bush was in office to the right's response when Obama was. Of course it's going through my filter, but I saw the left reaction to bush as more specific to the action. E.g. Direct criticism to the Iraq war and what consequences that would have. The right's response to Obama was totally irrational. A constant theme of tossing out fear based labels: Kenyan Muslim Marxist blah blah. Not to mention the continual noise about how he was going to destroy the country, and now has left behind a disaster (don't bother asking for specifics about these, though).

I mostly agree. But the left has taken a page from the right with their early attacks on the Donald...small hand...orange...hair...they've met the crazy right halfway.

I see that as human physics - an action is getting an equal and opposite reaction. We have an authoritarian, xenophobic bigot president who has called on his supporters to be violent with the opposition. No surprise that some have gotten violent/destructive in their opposition.

didn't Obama do the same thing by saying anybody that votes Trump will is a disappointment to me ?...or something along those lines
in fact I believe Hillary is guilty of the same thing telling her rioters/followers not to give up. putting all the right left stuff to the side this last election was a total abuse of trust by the candidates and even Obama abused his popularity and position ....in my opinion anyway.

InHiding80

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Your question actually brings up questions about how the right perceives things. Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? Why does the right give their own a pass when they're violent? But back to your question about why they're different. I see conservatives as very fear driven and holding on to a past that never really existed in the first place, but they still want to go back there. I see them disregard facts because they often hold onto an outdated belief system woven with myths and misperceptions. They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along.

very good reply, a few of the points you mentioned cross over to both sides.

"They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along"

I really believe this to be true for people on both sides, the human species is so predictable and un-predictable at the same time.

" Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? "
because it's an easy target, we all...or most of us look for the easy target, the AMT is full of examples.

Who hacked godfather's account?

if I believe you or anybody else to be correct there is no point in arguing and your statement nailed it....people in general left or right.

Compare the left's response when baby bush was in office to the right's response when Obama was. Of course it's going through my filter, but I saw the left reaction to bush as more specific to the action. E.g. Direct criticism to the Iraq war and what consequences that would have. The right's response to Obama was totally irrational. A constant theme of tossing out fear based labels: Kenyan Muslim Marxist blah blah. Not to mention the continual noise about how he was going to destroy the country, and now has left behind a disaster (don't bother asking for specifics about these, though).

I mostly agree. But the left has taken a page from the right with their early attacks on the Donald...small hand...

Marco Rubio is left?

HughFreakingDillon

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Your question actually brings up questions about how the right perceives things. Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? Why does the right give their own a pass when they're violent? But back to your question about why they're different. I see conservatives as very fear driven and holding on to a past that never really existed in the first place, but they still want to go back there. I see them disregard facts because they often hold onto an outdated belief system woven with myths and misperceptions. They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along.

very good reply, a few of the points you mentioned cross over to both sides.

"They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along"

I really believe this to be true for people on both sides, the human species is so predictable and un-predictable at the same time.

" Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? "
because it's an easy target, we all...or most of us look for the easy target, the AMT is full of examples.

Who hacked godfather's account?

if I believe you or anybody else to be correct there is no point in arguing and your statement nailed it....people in general left or right.

Compare the left's response when baby bush was in office to the right's response when Obama was. Of course it's going through my filter, but I saw the left reaction to bush as more specific to the action. E.g. Direct criticism to the Iraq war and what consequences that would have. The right's response to Obama was totally irrational. A constant theme of tossing out fear based labels: Kenyan Muslim Marxist blah blah. Not to mention the continual noise about how he was going to destroy the country, and now has left behind a disaster (don't bother asking for specifics about these, though).

I mostly agree. But the left has taken a page from the right with their early attacks on the Donald...small hand...orange...hair...they've met the crazy right halfway.

I see that as human physics - an action is getting an equal and opposite reaction. We have an authoritarian, xenophobic bigot president who has called on his supporters to be violent with the opposition. No surprise that some have gotten violent/destructive in their opposition.

didn't Obama do the same thing by saying anybody that votes Trump will is a disappointment to me ?...or something along those lines
in fact I believe Hillary is guilty of the same thing telling her rioters/followers not to give up. putting all the right left stuff to the side this last election was a total abuse of trust by the candidates and even Obama abused his popularity and position ....in my opinion anyway.

point to me ONE example of obama or hillary calling on their supporters to be violent.

oftenreading

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Your question actually brings up questions about how the right perceives things. Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? Why does the right give their own a pass when they're violent? But back to your question about why they're different. I see conservatives as very fear driven and holding on to a past that never really existed in the first place, but they still want to go back there. I see them disregard facts because they often hold onto an outdated belief system woven with myths and misperceptions. They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along.

very good reply, a few of the points you mentioned cross over to both sides.

"They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along"

I really believe this to be true for people on both sides, the human species is so predictable and un-predictable at the same time.

" Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? "
because it's an easy target, we all...or most of us look for the easy target, the AMT is full of examples.

Who hacked godfather's account?

if I believe you or anybody else to be correct there is no point in arguing and your statement nailed it....people in general left or right.

Compare the left's response when baby bush was in office to the right's response when Obama was. Of course it's going through my filter, but I saw the left reaction to bush as more specific to the action. E.g. Direct criticism to the Iraq war and what consequences that would have. The right's response to Obama was totally irrational. A constant theme of tossing out fear based labels: Kenyan Muslim Marxist blah blah. Not to mention the continual noise about how he was going to destroy the country, and now has left behind a disaster (don't bother asking for specifics about these, though).

I mostly agree. But the left has taken a page from the right with their early attacks on the Donald...small hand...orange...hair...they've met the crazy right halfway.

I see that as human physics - an action is getting an equal and opposite reaction. We have an authoritarian, xenophobic bigot president who has called on his supporters to be violent with the opposition. No surprise that some have gotten violent/destructive in their opposition.

didn't Obama do the same thing by saying anybody that votes Trump will is a disappointment to me ?...or something along those lines
in fact I believe Hillary is guilty of the same thing telling her rioters/followers not to give up. putting all the right left stuff to the side this last election was a total abuse of trust by the candidates and even Obama abused his popularity and position ....in my opinion anyway.

Have you got a source for Obama saying that anyone who voted Trump was a disappointment to him?

I'm guessing not, but thought I'd ask.

Godfather.

oftenreading said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Your question actually brings up questions about how the right perceives things. Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? Why does the right give their own a pass when they're violent? But back to your question about why they're different. I see conservatives as very fear driven and holding on to a past that never really existed in the first place, but they still want to go back there. I see them disregard facts because they often hold onto an outdated belief system woven with myths and misperceptions. They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along.

very good reply, a few of the points you mentioned cross over to both sides.

"They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along"

I really believe this to be true for people on both sides, the human species is so predictable and un-predictable at the same time.

" Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? "
because it's an easy target, we all...or most of us look for the easy target, the AMT is full of examples.

Who hacked godfather's account?

if I believe you or anybody else to be correct there is no point in arguing and your statement nailed it....people in general left or right.

Compare the left's response when baby bush was in office to the right's response when Obama was. Of course it's going through my filter, but I saw the left reaction to bush as more specific to the action. E.g. Direct criticism to the Iraq war and what consequences that would have. The right's response to Obama was totally irrational. A constant theme of tossing out fear based labels: Kenyan Muslim Marxist blah blah. Not to mention the continual noise about how he was going to destroy the country, and now has left behind a disaster (don't bother asking for specifics about these, though).

I mostly agree. But the left has taken a page from the right with their early attacks on the Donald...small hand...orange...hair...they've met the crazy right halfway.

I see that as human physics - an action is getting an equal and opposite reaction. We have an authoritarian, xenophobic bigot president who has called on his supporters to be violent with the opposition. No surprise that some have gotten violent/destructive in their opposition.

didn't Obama do the same thing by saying anybody that votes Trump will is a disappointment to me ?...or something along those lines
in fact I believe Hillary is guilty of the same thing telling her rioters/followers not to give up. putting all the right left stuff to the side this last election was a total abuse of trust by the candidates and even Obama abused his popularity and position ....in my opinion anyway.

Have you got a source for Obama saying that anyone who voted Trump was a disappointment to him?

I'm guessing not, but thought I'd ask.

oh please, you don't remember him stating something to that effect ? not those exact words but close enough ?

cincybearcat

InHiding80 said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Your question actually brings up questions about how the right perceives things. Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? Why does the right give their own a pass when they're violent? But back to your question about why they're different. I see conservatives as very fear driven and holding on to a past that never really existed in the first place, but they still want to go back there. I see them disregard facts because they often hold onto an outdated belief system woven with myths and misperceptions. They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along.

very good reply, a few of the points you mentioned cross over to both sides.

"They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along"

I really believe this to be true for people on both sides, the human species is so predictable and un-predictable at the same time.

" Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? "
because it's an easy target, we all...or most of us look for the easy target, the AMT is full of examples.

Who hacked godfather's account?

if I believe you or anybody else to be correct there is no point in arguing and your statement nailed it....people in general left or right.

Compare the left's response when baby bush was in office to the right's response when Obama was. Of course it's going through my filter, but I saw the left reaction to bush as more specific to the action. E.g. Direct criticism to the Iraq war and what consequences that would have. The right's response to Obama was totally irrational. A constant theme of tossing out fear based labels: Kenyan Muslim Marxist blah blah. Not to mention the continual noise about how he was going to destroy the country, and now has left behind a disaster (don't bother asking for specifics about these, though).

I mostly agree. But the left has taken a page from the right with their early attacks on the Donald...small hand...

Marco Rubio is left?

"Take a page from the right",,,,, be honest, you haven't heard the left ...people you know, people here...using these same terms against the Donald?

Godfather.

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Godfather. said:

Go Beavers said:

Your question actually brings up questions about how the right perceives things. Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? Why does the right give their own a pass when they're violent? But back to your question about why they're different. I see conservatives as very fear driven and holding on to a past that never really existed in the first place, but they still want to go back there. I see them disregard facts because they often hold onto an outdated belief system woven with myths and misperceptions. They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along.

very good reply, a few of the points you mentioned cross over to both sides.

"They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along"

I really believe this to be true for people on both sides, the human species is so predictable and un-predictable at the same time.

" Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? "
because it's an easy target, we all...or most of us look for the easy target, the AMT is full of examples.

Who hacked godfather's account?

if I believe you or anybody else to be correct there is no point in arguing and your statement nailed it....people in general left or right.

Compare the left's response when baby bush was in office to the right's response when Obama was. Of course it's going through my filter, but I saw the left reaction to bush as more specific to the action. E.g. Direct criticism to the Iraq war and what consequences that would have. The right's response to Obama was totally irrational. A constant theme of tossing out fear based labels: Kenyan Muslim Marxist blah blah. Not to mention the continual noise about how he was going to destroy the country, and now has left behind a disaster (don't bother asking for specifics about these, though).

I mostly agree. But the left has taken a page from the right with their early attacks on the Donald...small hand...orange...hair...they've met the crazy right halfway.

I see that as human physics - an action is getting an equal and opposite reaction. We have an authoritarian, xenophobic bigot president who has called on his supporters to be violent with the opposition. No surprise that some have gotten violent/destructive in their opposition.

didn't Obama do the same thing by saying anybody that votes Trump will is a disappointment to me ?...or something along those lines
in fact I believe Hillary is guilty of the same thing telling her rioters/followers not to give up. putting all the right left stuff to the side this last election was a total abuse of trust by the candidates and even Obama abused his popularity and position ....in my opinion anyway.

point to me ONE example of obama or hillary calling on their supporters to be violent.

not calling for a peaceful transition of power was one thing and encouraging their supporters not give up and saying that stupid shit
while the leftist rioters burned shit down or destroyed cop cars and store fronts...you don't remember that ???.....oh wait you live in Canada and probably missed it on FOXNEWS anyway.

cincybearcat

Ignoring the poll and answering the question...I would call my self Left, right and center. Center isn't really a terrific term to describe my opinions as some are far left or far right. I don't think they counteract each other since they are very different topics. But then I do find myself in a more middle position on a lot of topics as well. Or what I consider middle...

HughFreakingDillon

Godfather. said:

Your question actually brings up questions about how the right perceives things. Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? Why does the right give their own a pass when they're violent? But back to your question about why they're different. I see conservatives as very fear driven and holding on to a past that never really existed in the first place, but they still want to go back there. I see them disregard facts because they often hold onto an outdated belief system woven with myths and misperceptions. They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along.

very good reply, a few of the points you mentioned cross over to both sides. "They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along" I really believe this to be true for people on both sides, the human species is so predictable and un-predictable at the same time. " Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? " because it's an easy target, we all...or most of us look for the easy target, the AMT is full of examples.

Who hacked godfather's account?

if I believe you or anybody else to be correct there is no point in arguing and your statement nailed it....people in general left or right.

Compare the left's response when baby bush was in office to the right's response when Obama was. Of course it's going through my filter, but I saw the left reaction to bush as more specific to the action. E.g. Direct criticism to the Iraq war and what consequences that would have. The right's response to Obama was totally irrational. A constant theme of tossing out fear based labels: Kenyan Muslim Marxist blah blah. Not to mention the continual noise about how he was going to destroy the country, and now has left behind a disaster (don't bother asking for specifics about these, though).

I mostly agree. But the left has taken a page from the right with their early attacks on the Donald...small hand...orange...hair...they've met the crazy right halfway.

I see that as human physics - an action is getting an equal and opposite reaction. We have an authoritarian, xenophobic bigot president who has called on his supporters to be violent with the opposition. No surprise that some have gotten violent/destructive in their opposition.

didn't Obama do the same thing by saying anybody that votes Trump will is a disappointment to me ?...or something along those lines in fact I believe Hillary is guilty of the same thing telling her rioters/followers not to give up. putting all the right left stuff to the side this last election was a total abuse of trust by the candidates and even Obama abused his popularity and position ....in my opinion anyway.

point to me ONE example of obama or hillary calling on their supporters to be violent.

not calling for a peaceful transition of power was one thing and encouraging their supporters not give up and saying that stupid shit while the leftist rioters burned shit down or destroyed cop cars and store fronts...you don't remember that ???.....oh wait you live in Canada and probably missed it on FOXNEWS anyway.

I asked for an example of where they called on their supporters to be violent. that ain't it. try again. 

oh, and, don't you recall when Trump said he would "wait and see" if he would conced the election with zero reason why? Hillary conceded when she had confirmation that the russians had nothing to do with any voting irregularities. I wouldn't blame either side for doing that. 

Godfather.

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

Your question actually brings up questions about how the right perceives things. Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? Why does the right give their own a pass when they're violent? But back to your question about why they're different. I see conservatives as very fear driven and holding on to a past that never really existed in the first place, but they still want to go back there. I see them disregard facts because they often hold onto an outdated belief system woven with myths and misperceptions. They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along.

very good reply, a few of the points you mentioned cross over to both sides. "They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along" I really believe this to be true for people on both sides, the human species is so predictable and un-predictable at the same time. " Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? " because it's an easy target, we all...or most of us look for the easy target, the AMT is full of examples.

Who hacked godfather's account?

if I believe you or anybody else to be correct there is no point in arguing and your statement nailed it....people in general left or right.

Compare the left's response when baby bush was in office to the right's response when Obama was. Of course it's going through my filter, but I saw the left reaction to bush as more specific to the action. E.g. Direct criticism to the Iraq war and what consequences that would have. The right's response to Obama was totally irrational. A constant theme of tossing out fear based labels: Kenyan Muslim Marxist blah blah. Not to mention the continual noise about how he was going to destroy the country, and now has left behind a disaster (don't bother asking for specifics about these, though).

I mostly agree. But the left has taken a page from the right with their early attacks on the Donald...small hand...orange...hair...they've met the crazy right halfway.

I see that as human physics - an action is getting an equal and opposite reaction. We have an authoritarian, xenophobic bigot president who has called on his supporters to be violent with the opposition. No surprise that some have gotten violent/destructive in their opposition.

didn't Obama do the same thing by saying anybody that votes Trump will is a disappointment to me ?...or something along those lines in fact I believe Hillary is guilty of the same thing telling her rioters/followers not to give up. putting all the right left stuff to the side this last election was a total abuse of trust by the candidates and even Obama abused his popularity and position ....in my opinion anyway.

point to me ONE example of obama or hillary calling on their supporters to be violent.

not calling for a peaceful transition of power was one thing and encouraging their supporters not give up and saying that stupid shit while the leftist rioters burned shit down or destroyed cop cars and store fronts...you don't remember that ???.....oh wait you live in Canada and probably missed it on FOXNEWS anyway.

I asked for an example of where they called on their supporters to be violent. that ain't it. try again. 

oh, and, don't you recall when Trump said he would "wait and see" if he would conced the election with zero reason why? Hillary conceded when she had confirmation that the russians had nothing to do with any voting irregularities. I wouldn't blame either side for doing that. 

you seem blinded by your anger at Trump and refuse to acknowledge Clinton and obama's abuse, and yes I recall "wait and see" and no it wasn't the smartest thing he said during his campaign. 

PJ_Soul

Why are all of you still engaging in this conversation with GF? Surely you don't think you're going to convince him to see reason.

HughFreakingDillon

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

Your question actually brings up questions about how the right perceives things. Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? Why does the right give their own a pass when they're violent? But back to your question about why they're different. I see conservatives as very fear driven and holding on to a past that never really existed in the first place, but they still want to go back there. I see them disregard facts because they often hold onto an outdated belief system woven with myths and misperceptions. They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along.

very good reply, a few of the points you mentioned cross over to both sides. "They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along" I really believe this to be true for people on both sides, the human species is so predictable and un-predictable at the same time. " Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? " because it's an easy target, we all...or most of us look for the easy target, the AMT is full of examples.

Who hacked godfather's account?

if I believe you or anybody else to be correct there is no point in arguing and your statement nailed it....people in general left or right.

Compare the left's response when baby bush was in office to the right's response when Obama was. Of course it's going through my filter, but I saw the left reaction to bush as more specific to the action. E.g. Direct criticism to the Iraq war and what consequences that would have. The right's response to Obama was totally irrational. A constant theme of tossing out fear based labels: Kenyan Muslim Marxist blah blah. Not to mention the continual noise about how he was going to destroy the country, and now has left behind a disaster (don't bother asking for specifics about these, though).

I mostly agree. But the left has taken a page from the right with their early attacks on the Donald...small hand...orange...hair...they've met the crazy right halfway.

I see that as human physics - an action is getting an equal and opposite reaction. We have an authoritarian, xenophobic bigot president who has called on his supporters to be violent with the opposition. No surprise that some have gotten violent/destructive in their opposition.

didn't Obama do the same thing by saying anybody that votes Trump will is a disappointment to me ?...or something along those lines in fact I believe Hillary is guilty of the same thing telling her rioters/followers not to give up. putting all the right left stuff to the side this last election was a total abuse of trust by the candidates and even Obama abused his popularity and position ....in my opinion anyway.

point to me ONE example of obama or hillary calling on their supporters to be violent.

not calling for a peaceful transition of power was one thing and encouraging their supporters not give up and saying that stupid shit while the leftist rioters burned shit down or destroyed cop cars and store fronts...you don't remember that ???.....oh wait you live in Canada and probably missed it on FOXNEWS anyway.

I asked for an example of where they called on their supporters to be violent. that ain't it. try again. 

oh, and, don't you recall when Trump said he would "wait and see" if he would conced the election with zero reason why? Hillary conceded when she had confirmation that the russians had nothing to do with any voting irregularities. I wouldn't blame either side for doing that. 

you seem blinded by your anger at Trump and refuse to acknowledge Clinton and obama's abuse, and yes I recall "wait and see" and no it wasn't the smartest thing he said during his campaign. 

blinded by my anger? oh jesus, here we go again. I saw no abuse by clinton and obama. by abuse, do you mean a sitting president campaigning for a candidate in his party? if not, what?

Degeneratefk

Gf, no offense, but come on man. You know where everyone is leaning. 

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

Why are all of you still engaging in this conversation with GF? Surely you don't think you're going to convince him to see reason.

it's not trying to convince him otherwise. it's more of a "I still can't believe people think this way" type of fascination. 

tbergs

PJ_Soul said:

Why are all of you still engaging in this conversation with GF? Surely you don't think you're going to convince him to see reason.

Agreed. This is like a black hole. Why waste time on a topic clearly meant to start arguments. There's not a rational or civil back and forth to be had in this thread.

Godfather. said:

Your question actually brings up questions about how the right perceives things. Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? Why does the right give their own a pass when they're violent? But back to your question about why they're different. I see conservatives as very fear driven and holding on to a past that never really existed in the first place, but they still want to go back there. I see them disregard facts because they often hold onto an outdated belief system woven with myths and misperceptions. They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along.

very good reply, a few of the points you mentioned cross over to both sides. "They're succeptable to fear based messages because they're convinced their way of life is under attack. All a leader needs to do is create a villain where they can project these fears onto and they will follow along" I really believe this to be true for people on both sides, the human species is so predictable and un-predictable at the same time. " Why do they take fringe actions of people destroying property and they attribute that to the left as a whole? " because it's an easy target, we all...or most of us look for the easy target, the AMT is full of examples.

Who hacked godfather's account?

if I believe you or anybody else to be correct there is no point in arguing and your statement nailed it....people in general left or right.

Compare the left's response when baby bush was in office to the right's response when Obama was. Of course it's going through my filter, but I saw the left reaction to bush as more specific to the action. E.g. Direct criticism to the Iraq war and what consequences that would have. The right's response to Obama was totally irrational. A constant theme of tossing out fear based labels: Kenyan Muslim Marxist blah blah. Not to mention the continual noise about how he was going to destroy the country, and now has left behind a disaster (don't bother asking for specifics about these, though).

I mostly agree. But the left has taken a page from the right with their early attacks on the Donald...small hand...orange...hair...they've met the crazy right halfway.

I see that as human physics - an action is getting an equal and opposite reaction. We have an authoritarian, xenophobic bigot president who has called on his supporters to be violent with the opposition. No surprise that some have gotten violent/destructive in their opposition.

didn't Obama do the same thing by saying anybody that votes Trump will is a disappointment to me ?...or something along those lines in fact I believe Hillary is guilty of the same thing telling her rioters/followers not to give up. putting all the right left stuff to the side this last election was a total abuse of trust by the candidates and even Obama abused his popularity and position ....in my opinion anyway.

Have you got a source for Obama saying that anyone who voted Trump was a disappointment to him? I'm guessing not, but thought I'd ask.

oh please, you don't remember him stating something to that effect ? not those exact words but close enough ?

This sounds just like Trump's response to wiretapping. Make an unverified statement and then prove it's not true. I have my opinions and you can have your opinions...