Neil sick not inducting Pj Friday

Spiritual_Chaos

The Juggler said:

Tim Simmons said:

I don't think people realize how much Dave changed late night comedy. None of the talk show comedians would be successful doing what they are doing without Dave changing the game.

He's a legend.

Sharp as a tack.

PJ_Soul

cp3iverson said:

someone defended Bill Cosby? Wtf. I knew about his ways in the early 90s

No, I did not defend Bill Cosby. I have no idea where he got that from. I think when that story broke I said that I needed more evidence before I knew how I felt about it one way or the other. It kind of pisses me off that he posted that I actually defended him rather than the idea of innocent until proven guilty (which he was).
As for the sexual harassment comment... I read a bunch of thing back when that whole debacle came about for DL, and the discussion was indeed his bahviour at work towards women and how that put them at a disadvantage, depending on how they responded to his own sexually harass-y behaviour. Nobody took him to court for it, but to me it seemed like workplace sexual harassment issue. Kind of asshole-like behviour at the very least, IMO.

PJ_Soul

F Me In The Brain said:

cp3iverson said:

someone defended Bill Cosby?

Yeah, no idea where that discussion was but how could anyone defend the clear rapist and the man who bestowed the 'Cosby Blessing' on his sleeping victims?
Guessing there were some other points being debated. I know Whoopi defended him but I think that was before the mountain of charges against the dirty sob.

Sorry there is no Uncle Neil (get better!) but am going to see Pearl Jam, so all will be good.

Didn't read this entire thread so apologies if someone already shared this -- my favorite live performance of this song & on Letterman. Almost the entire crowd seems to be PJ fans.

https://youtu.be/COAqYlZ-6Ds

I DID NOT DEFEND BILL COSBY. Jesus.
(and here is the thread to prove it - http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/240656/bill-cosby-is-a-rapist/p3 )

PJ_Soul

Tim Simmons said:

I don't think people realize how much Dave changed late night comedy. None of the talk show comedians would be successful doing what they are doing without Dave changing the game.

I think for me, I just don't care enough about late night talk shows for that to have an impact on me.

Dr. Delight

F Me In The Brain

PJ_Soul said:

F Me In The Brain said:

cp3iverson said:

someone defended Bill Cosby?

Yeah, no idea where that discussion was but how could anyone defend the clear rapist and the man who bestowed the 'Cosby Blessing' on his sleeping victims?
Guessing there were some other points being debated. I know Whoopi defended him but I think that was before the mountain of charges against the dirty sob.

Sorry there is no Uncle Neil (get better!) but am going to see Pearl Jam, so all will be good.

Didn't read this entire thread so apologies if someone already shared this -- my favorite live performance of this song & on Letterman. Almost the entire crowd seems to be PJ fans.

https://youtu.be/COAqYlZ-6Ds

I DID NOT DEFEND BILL COSBY. Jesus.
(and here is the thread to prove it - http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/240656/bill-cosby-is-a-rapist/p3 )

Guessing there were some other points being debated.
Yeah was hard pressed to be able to think anyone would defend him, especially knowing your typical stance on such things - would find it wild to think that you defended him.

PJ_Soul

F Me In The Brain said:

PJ_Soul said:

F Me In The Brain said:

cp3iverson said:

someone defended Bill Cosby?

Yeah, no idea where that discussion was but how could anyone defend the clear rapist and the man who bestowed the 'Cosby Blessing' on his sleeping victims?
Guessing there were some other points being debated. I know Whoopi defended him but I think that was before the mountain of charges against the dirty sob.

Sorry there is no Uncle Neil (get better!) but am going to see Pearl Jam, so all will be good.

Didn't read this entire thread so apologies if someone already shared this -- my favorite live performance of this song & on Letterman. Almost the entire crowd seems to be PJ fans.

https://youtu.be/COAqYlZ-6Ds

I DID NOT DEFEND BILL COSBY. Jesus.
(and here is the thread to prove it - http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/240656/bill-cosby-is-a-rapist/p3 )

Guessing there were some other points being debated.
Yeah was hard pressed to be able to think anyone would defend him, especially knowing your typical stance on such things - would find it wild to think that you defended him.

The only thing I defend when it comes to Bill Cosby is his obvious love of a good hoagie, no pun intended.

Tim Simmons

PJ_Soul said:

Tim Simmons said:

I don't think people realize how much Dave changed late night comedy. None of the talk show comedians would be successful doing what they are doing without Dave changing the game.

I think for me, I just don't care enough about late night talk shows for that to have an impact on me.

Fair enough.

But it wasn't just the late night format. He did give a platform for more off beat comedy. The existence of irreverent comedy today, which is the lifeblood of the best comedy, owes a debt of gratitude to Dave who brought it mainstream.

PJ_Soul

Tim Simmons said:

PJ_Soul said:

Tim Simmons said:

I don't think people realize how much Dave changed late night comedy. None of the talk show comedians would be successful doing what they are doing without Dave changing the game.

I think for me, I just don't care enough about late night talk shows for that to have an impact on me.

Fair enough.

But it wasn't just the late night format. He did give a platform for more off beat comedy. The existence of irreverent comedy today, which is the lifeblood of the best comedy, owes a debt of gratitude to Dave who brought it mainstream.

I guess. Hey, I have absolutely NO problem with other people being Dave Letterman fans. I am also thinking it's kind of strange to see people calling him a "hero", like someone else mentioned, but okay. I had no idea people felt such feelings about the man, lol. I figured they just thought he was a good late night talk show host who they grew up watching, and it stopped there, haha. I mean, if the guy has done some truly amazing and admirable things, like worked his butt off to change the lives of the disadvantaged, or seriously advocated for very important causes or something, I'd better understand where everyone is coming from. I didn't know someone could become a hero just by being somewhat clever on a major TV network and by contributing to the late night talk show format. But okay, if people feel like that makes him a hero, fine by me. I think there are a couple of other late night talk show hosts who have contributed more, like Stewart and Colbert and even Jimmy Kimmel. They seem to have brought something more unique to the genre than Letterman, IMHO.

Spiritual_Chaos

PJ_Soul said:

Tim Simmons said:

PJ_Soul said:

Tim Simmons said:

I don't think people realize how much Dave changed late night comedy. None of the talk show comedians would be successful doing what they are doing without Dave changing the game.

I think for me, I just don't care enough about late night talk shows for that to have an impact on me.

Fair enough.

But it wasn't just the late night format. He did give a platform for more off beat comedy. The existence of irreverent comedy today, which is the lifeblood of the best comedy, owes a debt of gratitude to Dave who brought it mainstream.

I guess. Hey, I have absolutely NO problem with other people being Dave Letterman fans. I am also thinking it's kind of strange to see people calling him a "hero", like someone else mentioned, but okay. I had no idea people felt such feelings about the man, lol. I figured they just thought he was a good late night talk show host who they grew up watching, and it stopped there, haha. I mean, if the guy has done some truly amazing and admirable things, like worked his butt off to change the lives of the disadvantaged, or seriously advocated for very important causes or something, I'd better understand where everyone is coming from. I didn't know someone could become a hero just by being somewhat clever on a major TV network and by contributing to the late night talk show format. But okay, if people feel like that makes him a hero, fine by me. I think there are a couple of other late night talk show hosts who have contributed more, like Stewart and Colbert and even Jimmy Kimmel. They seem to have brought something more unique to the genre than Letterman, IMHO.

Do you really know enough about the talk show scene and history to feel confident in saying that Kimmel has brought something more unique than Letterman?

Spiritual_Chaos

PJ_Soul said:

cp3iverson said:

someone defended Bill Cosby? Wtf. I knew about his ways in the early 90s

No, I did not defend Bill Cosby. I have no idea where he got that from. I think when that story broke I said that I needed more evidence before I knew how I felt about it one way or the other. It kind of pisses me off that he posted that I actually defended him rather than the idea of innocent until proven guilty (which he was).
As for the sexual harassment comment... I read a bunch of thing back when that whole debacle came about for DL, and the discussion was indeed his bahviour at work towards women and how that put them at a disadvantage, depending on how they responded to his own sexually harass-y behaviour. Nobody took him to court for it, but to me it seemed like workplace sexual harassment issue. Kind of asshole-like behviour at the very least, IMO.

To my knowledge there was no one accusing Letterman of sexual harassment(?) but only some people in the media having "what if" discussions about him having affairs with people working for him could mean sexual harassments occurred.

But please provide a source for something tangible regarding sexual harassment having occurred. Maybe he's scum.

But I doubt it. That's more of a Fox News kind of thing. Haha.

my2hands

Letterman is the man

PJ_Soul

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJ_Soul said:

Tim Simmons said:

PJ_Soul said:

Tim Simmons said:

I don't think people realize how much Dave changed late night comedy. None of the talk show comedians would be successful doing what they are doing without Dave changing the game.

I think for me, I just don't care enough about late night talk shows for that to have an impact on me.

Fair enough.

But it wasn't just the late night format. He did give a platform for more off beat comedy. The existence of irreverent comedy today, which is the lifeblood of the best comedy, owes a debt of gratitude to Dave who brought it mainstream.

I guess. Hey, I have absolutely NO problem with other people being Dave Letterman fans. I am also thinking it's kind of strange to see people calling him a "hero", like someone else mentioned, but okay. I had no idea people felt such feelings about the man, lol. I figured they just thought he was a good late night talk show host who they grew up watching, and it stopped there, haha. I mean, if the guy has done some truly amazing and admirable things, like worked his butt off to change the lives of the disadvantaged, or seriously advocated for very important causes or something, I'd better understand where everyone is coming from. I didn't know someone could become a hero just by being somewhat clever on a major TV network and by contributing to the late night talk show format. But okay, if people feel like that makes him a hero, fine by me. I think there are a couple of other late night talk show hosts who have contributed more, like Stewart and Colbert and even Jimmy Kimmel. They seem to have brought something more unique to the genre than Letterman, IMHO.

Do you really know enough about the talk show scene and history to feel confident in saying that Kimmel has brought something more unique than Letterman?

I think I know about as much about it as anyone else who has been paying attention for the past 25 years or so. I watched Letterman regularly for a good 20 years of my life and have also watched Kimmel and a bunch of other late night talk shows, and watch the news, documentaries, and read stuff and all that normal shit we do to feel like we know something about this kind of thing, so I guess I know enough to form an opinion. I mean, I suppose I know as much about it as the people claiming that Letterman is the champion groundbreaker.

PJ_Soul

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJ_Soul said:

cp3iverson said:

someone defended Bill Cosby? Wtf. I knew about his ways in the early 90s

No, I did not defend Bill Cosby. I have no idea where he got that from. I think when that story broke I said that I needed more evidence before I knew how I felt about it one way or the other. It kind of pisses me off that he posted that I actually defended him rather than the idea of innocent until proven guilty (which he was).
As for the sexual harassment comment... I read a bunch of thing back when that whole debacle came about for DL, and the discussion was indeed his bahviour at work towards women and how that put them at a disadvantage, depending on how they responded to his own sexually harass-y behaviour. Nobody took him to court for it, but to me it seemed like workplace sexual harassment issue. Kind of asshole-like behviour at the very least, IMO.

To my knowledge there was no one accusing Letterman of sexual harassment(?) but only some people in the media having "what if" discussions about him having affairs with people working for him could mean sexual harassments occurred.

But please provide a source for something tangible regarding sexual harassment having occurred. Maybe he's scum.

But I doubt it. That's more of a Fox News kind of thing. Haha.

I already answered what you are asking I think?

Spiritual_Chaos

I donät often look at David Letterman clips on youtube, but when I do I re-watch this:

mfc2006

Hope we get an update on Neil's health sometime soon....

The Juggler

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJ_Soul said:

cp3iverson said:

someone defended Bill Cosby? Wtf. I knew about his ways in the early 90s

No, I did not defend Bill Cosby. I have no idea where he got that from. I think when that story broke I said that I needed more evidence before I knew how I felt about it one way or the other. It kind of pisses me off that he posted that I actually defended him rather than the idea of innocent until proven guilty (which he was).
As for the sexual harassment comment... I read a bunch of thing back when that whole debacle came about for DL, and the discussion was indeed his bahviour at work towards women and how that put them at a disadvantage, depending on how they responded to his own sexually harass-y behaviour. Nobody took him to court for it, but to me it seemed like workplace sexual harassment issue. Kind of asshole-like behviour at the very least, IMO.

To my knowledge there was no one accusing Letterman of sexual harassment(?) but only some people in the media having "what if" discussions about him having affairs with people working for him could mean sexual harassments occurred.

But please provide a source for something tangible regarding sexual harassment having occurred. Maybe he's scum.

But I doubt it. That's more of a Fox News kind of thing. Haha.

I already answered what you are asking I think?

I can't believe you're still defending Bill Cosby.

Jeez!

Spiritual_Chaos

mfc2006 said:

Hope we get an update on Neil's health sometime soon....

His representatives said it was nothing serious.

PJ_Soul

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJ_Soul said:

cp3iverson said:

someone defended Bill Cosby? Wtf. I knew about his ways in the early 90s

No, I did not defend Bill Cosby. I have no idea where he got that from. I think when that story broke I said that I needed more evidence before I knew how I felt about it one way or the other. It kind of pisses me off that he posted that I actually defended him rather than the idea of innocent until proven guilty (which he was).
As for the sexual harassment comment... I read a bunch of thing back when that whole debacle came about for DL, and the discussion was indeed his bahviour at work towards women and how that put them at a disadvantage, depending on how they responded to his own sexually harass-y behaviour. Nobody took him to court for it, but to me it seemed like workplace sexual harassment issue. Kind of asshole-like behviour at the very least, IMO.

To my knowledge there was no one accusing Letterman of sexual harassment(?) but only some people in the media having "what if" discussions about him having affairs with people working for him could mean sexual harassments occurred.

But please provide a source for something tangible regarding sexual harassment having occurred. Maybe he's scum.

But I doubt it. That's more of a Fox News kind of thing. Haha.

I already answered what you are asking I think?

I can't believe you're still defending Bill Cosby.

Jeez!

igotid88

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJ_Soul said:

Tim Simmons said:

PJ_Soul said:

Tim Simmons said:

I don't think people realize how much Dave changed late night comedy. None of the talk show comedians would be successful doing what they are doing without Dave changing the game.

I think for me, I just don't care enough about late night talk shows for that to have an impact on me.

Fair enough.

But it wasn't just the late night format. He did give a platform for more off beat comedy. The existence of irreverent comedy today, which is the lifeblood of the best comedy, owes a debt of gratitude to Dave who brought it mainstream.

I guess. Hey, I have absolutely NO problem with other people being Dave Letterman fans. I am also thinking it's kind of strange to see people calling him a "hero", like someone else mentioned, but okay. I had no idea people felt such feelings about the man, lol. I figured they just thought he was a good late night talk show host who they grew up watching, and it stopped there, haha. I mean, if the guy has done some truly amazing and admirable things, like worked his butt off to change the lives of the disadvantaged, or seriously advocated for very important causes or something, I'd better understand where everyone is coming from. I didn't know someone could become a hero just by being somewhat clever on a major TV network and by contributing to the late night talk show format. But okay, if people feel like that makes him a hero, fine by me. I think there are a couple of other late night talk show hosts who have contributed more, like Stewart and Colbert and even Jimmy Kimmel. They seem to have brought something more unique to the genre than Letterman, IMHO.

Do you really know enough about the talk show scene and history to feel confident in saying that Kimmel has brought something more unique than Letterman?

I think I know about as much about it as anyone else who has been paying attention for the past 25 years or so. I watched Letterman regularly for a good 20 years of my life and have also watched Kimmel and a bunch of other late night talk shows, and watch the news, documentaries, and read stuff and all that normal shit we do to feel like we know something about this kind of thing, so I guess I know enough to form an opinion. I mean, I suppose I know as much about it as the people claiming that Letterman is the champion groundbreaker.

Jimmy Kimmel was heavily influenced by Letterman. As was Conan. I believe Stewart as well.