I am skeptical that these payoffs would be ruled illegal when challenged in court. He could have paid off those women for any number of reasons. Is it illegal to pay a woman not to tell your wife you cheated with her? Hopefully Cohen has more stuff on Trump that is an actual crime/harm instead of sleaze.
It is illegal to pay someone in an attempt to influence an election.
A billion dollars gets spent on campaigns. All of Washington is about money and winning elections. Cohen plead guilty and no jury had to decide whether this was illegal. Reporters are paid to write articles to influence elections.
So he plead guilty to something that may not have been illegal?
He made a deal. I am no legal expert. Celebrities and politicians make payments all the time to avoid embarrassment.
NOTHING to SEE HERE. no collusion
First, this had nothing to do with collusion, but paying off women he had affairs with. He is a sleaze and I'm sure colluded on Russia. But, in this particular instance I don't think paying off the women is going to create any criminal issues for Trump (unless it came out of campaign funds). Just typing my thoughts on a message board.
I am skeptical that these payoffs would be ruled illegal when challenged in court. He could have paid off those women for any number of reasons. Is it illegal to pay a woman not to tell your wife you cheated with her? Hopefully Cohen has more stuff on Trump that is an actual crime/harm instead of sleaze.
It is illegal to pay someone in an attempt to influence an election.
A billion dollars gets spent on campaigns. All of Washington is about money and winning elections. Cohen plead guilty and no jury had to decide whether this was illegal. Reporters are paid to write articles to influence elections.
So he plead guilty to something that may not have been illegal?
He made a deal. I am no legal expert. Celebrities and politicians make payments all the time to avoid embarrassment.
NOTHING to SEE HERE. no collusion
First, this had nothing to do with collusion, but paying off women he had affairs with. He is a sleaze and I'm sure colluded on Russia. But, in this particular instance I don't think paying off the women is going to create any criminal issues for Trump (unless it came out of campaign funds). Just typing my thoughts on a message board.
It’s not about the affairs. It’s about the money. How it moves, how it’s hidden, whether it’s declared, taxes are paid and where it comes from and from whom. It’s always been about the money and Team Mueller is tracking it down. Laundering money, not declaring income, and not paying taxes, as well as accepting money from sources that you know or SHOULD have known (burden is on the receiver to do due diligence to determine this) to have come from illgotten mean, is illegal. Covering all of that up is obstruction of justice,
Maybe the head of the IRS could fast track the audit of Team Trump Treason’s tax returns so he’ll release them? You know, shed a little light and exhibit some transparency as well as illustrate that wrapping up investigations efficiently and quickly doesn’t just apply to Team Mueller?
paying hush money to people is not a crime. not even in an election. if it was, he just admitted to committing a crime on fox and friends.
if he used campaign funds is the issue. at least that's my understanding.
Trump was the DONOR, making illegal campaign contributions . Illegal in both amount and lack of disclosure. (Allegedly)
The campaign crimes against Cohen are FELONIES.
Geez, the right wing lies are even infiltrating a liberal bands political forum
um, lies? this is exactly what I have read. And I guess I don't quite understand what you mean about trump making illegal contributions to his own campaign.
about the whole "a sitting POTUS cannot be indicted" thing. Then why would he be legally able to pardon himself if he can't be charged in the first place?
paying hush money to people is not a crime. not even in an election. if it was, he just admitted to committing a crime on fox and friends.
if he used campaign funds is the issue. at least that's my understanding.
Trump was the DONOR, making illegal campaign contributions . Illegal in both amount and lack of disclosure. (Allegedly)
The campaign crimes against Cohen are FELONIES.
Geez, the right wing lies are even infiltrating a liberal bands political forum
um, lies? this is exactly what I have read. And I guess I don't quite understand what you mean about trump making illegal contributions to his own campaign.
You're playing me, right?
Trump paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the benefit of his campaign for president.
The law considers this to be campaign money and a campaign contribution. There are recordings of trump discussing these payments in connection w the election.
The law includes limits to the amounts of such contributions...these are obviously far above those limits.
Also, we know they were not disclosed. We know he publicly denied making them.
We have also heard the recording with his voice, discussing them in advance.
This seems to be public evidence of Trump committing at least two felonies...and no, Obama never did this.
I am skeptical that these payoffs would be ruled illegal when challenged in court. He could have paid off those women for any number of reasons. Is it illegal to pay a woman not to tell your wife you cheated with her? Hopefully Cohen has more stuff on Trump that is an actual crime/harm instead of sleaze.
It is illegal to pay someone in an attempt to influence an election.
A billion dollars gets spent on campaigns. All of Washington is about money and winning elections. Cohen plead guilty and no jury had to decide whether this was illegal. Reporters are paid to write articles to influence elections.
So he plead guilty to something that may not have been illegal?
He made a deal. I am no legal expert. Celebrities and politicians make payments all the time to avoid embarrassment.
NOTHING to SEE HERE. no collusion
First, this had nothing to do with collusion, but paying off women he had affairs with. He is a sleaze and I'm sure colluded on Russia. But, in this particular instance I don't think paying off the women is going to create any criminal issues for Trump (unless it came out of campaign funds). Just typing my thoughts on a message board.
It's about changing the subject . Electoral Crime is STILL CRIME. Conspiracy is a CRIME.
Getting caught and lying about it and saying Obama did it too? Stupid. Complicit R's in Congress? Good luck.
paying hush money to people is not a crime. not even in an election. if it was, he just admitted to committing a crime on fox and friends.
if he used campaign funds is the issue. at least that's my understanding.
Trump was the DONOR, making illegal campaign contributions . Illegal in both amount and lack of disclosure. (Allegedly)
The campaign crimes against Cohen are FELONIES.
Geez, the right wing lies are even infiltrating a liberal bands political forum
um, lies? this is exactly what I have read. And I guess I don't quite understand what you mean about trump making illegal contributions to his own campaign.
You're playing me, right?
Trump paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the benefit of his campaign for president.
The law considers this to be campaign money and a campaign contribution. There are recordings of trump discussing these payments in connection w the election.
The law includes limits to the amounts of such contributions...these are obviously far above those limits.
Also, we know they were not disclosed. We know he publicly denied making them.
We have also heard the recording with his voice, discussing them in advance.
This seems to be public evidence of Trump committing at least two felonies...and no, Obama never did this.
no, I'm not playing you. I didn't realize the bolded part.
paying hush money to people is not a crime. not even in an election. if it was, he just admitted to committing a crime on fox and friends.
if he used campaign funds is the issue. at least that's my understanding.
Trump was the DONOR, making illegal campaign contributions . Illegal in both amount and lack of disclosure. (Allegedly)
The campaign crimes against Cohen are FELONIES.
Geez, the right wing lies are even infiltrating a liberal bands political forum
um, lies? this is exactly what I have read. And I guess I don't quite understand what you mean about trump making illegal contributions to his own campaign.
You're playing me, right?
Trump paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the benefit of his campaign for president.
The law considers this to be campaign money and a campaign contribution. There are recordings of trump discussing these payments in connection w the election.
The law includes limits to the amounts of such contributions...these are obviously far above those limits.
Also, we know they were not disclosed. We know he publicly denied making them.
We have also heard the recording with his voice, discussing them in advance.
This seems to be public evidence of Trump committing at least two felonies...and no, Obama never did this.
no, I'm not playing you. I didn't realize the bolded part.
Of course trump would have the right to deny this and present his evidence if he agrees to a subpoena to appear in court.
paying hush money to people is not a crime. not even in an election. if it was, he just admitted to committing a crime on fox and friends.
if he used campaign funds is the issue. at least that's my understanding.
Trump was the DONOR, making illegal campaign contributions . Illegal in both amount and lack of disclosure. (Allegedly)
The campaign crimes against Cohen are FELONIES.
Geez, the right wing lies are even infiltrating a liberal bands political forum
um, lies? this is exactly what I have read. And I guess I don't quite understand what you mean about trump making illegal contributions to his own campaign.
You're playing me, right?
Trump paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the benefit of his campaign for president.
The law considers this to be campaign money and a campaign contribution. There are recordings of trump discussing these payments in connection w the election.
The law includes limits to the amounts of such contributions...these are obviously far above those limits.
Also, we know they were not disclosed. We know he publicly denied making them.
We have also heard the recording with his voice, discussing them in advance.
This seems to be public evidence of Trump committing at least two felonies...and no, Obama never did this.
Until the law actually says in a court of law that Trump is guilty on this particular matter, than I will be skeptical. Is buying a happy meal at McDonalds so Trump doesn’t pass out from lack of food and hurt his campaign a campaign contribution? That is extreme but I just don’t think this is a black and white issue and if competent attorneys get involved for Trump I could see this one going his way.
paying hush money to people is not a crime. not even in an election. if it was, he just admitted to committing a crime on fox and friends.
if he used campaign funds is the issue. at least that's my understanding.
Trump was the DONOR, making illegal campaign contributions . Illegal in both amount and lack of disclosure. (Allegedly)
The campaign crimes against Cohen are FELONIES.
Geez, the right wing lies are even infiltrating a liberal bands political forum
um, lies? this is exactly what I have read. And I guess I don't quite understand what you mean about trump making illegal contributions to his own campaign.
You're playing me, right?
Trump paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the benefit of his campaign for president.
The law considers this to be campaign money and a campaign contribution. There are recordings of trump discussing these payments in connection w the election.
The law includes limits to the amounts of such contributions...these are obviously far above those limits.
Also, we know they were not disclosed. We know he publicly denied making them.
We have also heard the recording with his voice, discussing them in advance.
This seems to be public evidence of Trump committing at least two felonies...and no, Obama never did this.
paying hush money to people is not a crime. not even in an election. if it was, he just admitted to committing a crime on fox and friends.
if he used campaign funds is the issue. at least that's my understanding.
Trump was the DONOR, making illegal campaign contributions . Illegal in both amount and lack of disclosure. (Allegedly)
The campaign crimes against Cohen are FELONIES.
Geez, the right wing lies are even infiltrating a liberal bands political forum
um, lies? this is exactly what I have read. And I guess I don't quite understand what you mean about trump making illegal contributions to his own campaign.
You're playing me, right?
Trump paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the benefit of his campaign for president.
The law considers this to be campaign money and a campaign contribution. There are recordings of trump discussing these payments in connection w the election.
The law includes limits to the amounts of such contributions...these are obviously far above those limits.
Also, we know they were not disclosed. We know he publicly denied making them.
We have also heard the recording with his voice, discussing them in advance.
This seems to be public evidence of Trump committing at least two felonies...and no, Obama never did this.
Until the law actually says in a court of law that Trump is guilty on this particular matter, than I will be skeptical. Is buying a happy meal at McDonalds so Trump doesn’t pass out from lack of food and hurt his campaign a campaign contribution? That is extreme but I just don’t think this is a black and white issue and if competent attorneys get involved for Trump I could see this one going his way.
I found it to be a bit of a reach as well. But I clearly don't know as much about campaign laws as others, so we'll see.
paying hush money to people is not a crime. not even in an election. if it was, he just admitted to committing a crime on fox and friends.
if he used campaign funds is the issue. at least that's my understanding.
Trump was the DONOR, making illegal campaign contributions . Illegal in both amount and lack of disclosure. (Allegedly)
The campaign crimes against Cohen are FELONIES.
Geez, the right wing lies are even infiltrating a liberal bands political forum
um, lies? this is exactly what I have read. And I guess I don't quite understand what you mean about trump making illegal contributions to his own campaign.
You're playing me, right?
Trump paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the benefit of his campaign for president.
The law considers this to be campaign money and a campaign contribution. There are recordings of trump discussing these payments in connection w the election.
The law includes limits to the amounts of such contributions...these are obviously far above those limits.
Also, we know they were not disclosed. We know he publicly denied making them.
We have also heard the recording with his voice, discussing them in advance.
This seems to be public evidence of Trump committing at least two felonies...and no, Obama never did this.
Until the law actually says in a court of law that Trump is guilty on this particular matter, than I will be skeptical. Is buying a happy meal at McDonalds so Trump doesn’t pass out from lack of food and hurt his campaign a campaign contribution? That is extreme but I just don’t think this is a black and white issue and if competent attorneys get involved for Trump I could see this one going his way.
I don't think you quite understand what's going on here. Cohen has pled guilty to this as a crime. He, the prosecution and the judge also agreed that this was a crime. He committed this crime under the direction of Trump, he stated so under oath with no benefits from cooperation. This is no small thing and can't be compared to eating some fast food. Trump, if he wasn't currently president, would be charged as a co-conspirator.
paying hush money to people is not a crime. not even in an election. if it was, he just admitted to committing a crime on fox and friends.
if he used campaign funds is the issue. at least that's my understanding.
Trump was the DONOR, making illegal campaign contributions . Illegal in both amount and lack of disclosure. (Allegedly)
The campaign crimes against Cohen are FELONIES.
Geez, the right wing lies are even infiltrating a liberal bands political forum
um, lies? this is exactly what I have read. And I guess I don't quite understand what you mean about trump making illegal contributions to his own campaign.
You're playing me, right?
Trump paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the benefit of his campaign for president.
The law considers this to be campaign money and a campaign contribution. There are recordings of trump discussing these payments in connection w the election.
The law includes limits to the amounts of such contributions...these are obviously far above those limits.
Also, we know they were not disclosed. We know he publicly denied making them.
We have also heard the recording with his voice, discussing them in advance.
This seems to be public evidence of Trump committing at least two felonies...and no, Obama never did this.
Until the law actually says in a court of law that Trump is guilty on this particular matter, than I will be skeptical. Is buying a happy meal at McDonalds so Trump doesn’t pass out from lack of food and hurt his campaign a campaign contribution? That is extreme but I just don’t think this is a black and white issue and if competent attorneys get involved for Trump I could see this one going his way.
I found it to be a bit of a reach as well. But I clearly don't know as much about campaign laws as others, so we'll see.
Yeah it’s all a bit confusing for me. I thought (listening to the radio) that the biggest problem would be where the $ came from and the fact they didn’t disclose it. But I see I must go read and listen some more. One person on CNN states how this was far from a slam dunk case against trump. Even though the same person thinks he’s a liar, etc. so it wasn’t a biased political opinion.
paying hush money to people is not a crime. not even in an election. if it was, he just admitted to committing a crime on fox and friends.
if he used campaign funds is the issue. at least that's my understanding.
Trump was the DONOR, making illegal campaign contributions . Illegal in both amount and lack of disclosure. (Allegedly)
The campaign crimes against Cohen are FELONIES.
Geez, the right wing lies are even infiltrating a liberal bands political forum
um, lies? this is exactly what I have read. And I guess I don't quite understand what you mean about trump making illegal contributions to his own campaign.
You're playing me, right?
Trump paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the benefit of his campaign for president.
The law considers this to be campaign money and a campaign contribution. There are recordings of trump discussing these payments in connection w the election.
The law includes limits to the amounts of such contributions...these are obviously far above those limits.
Also, we know they were not disclosed. We know he publicly denied making them.
We have also heard the recording with his voice, discussing them in advance.
This seems to be public evidence of Trump committing at least two felonies...and no, Obama never did this.
Until the law actually says in a court of law that Trump is guilty on this particular matter, than I will be skeptical. Is buying a happy meal at McDonalds so Trump doesn’t pass out from lack of food and hurt his campaign a campaign contribution? That is extreme but I just don’t think this is a black and white issue and if competent attorneys get involved for Trump I could see this one going his way.
I don't think you quite understand what's going on here. Cohen has pled guilty to this as a crime. He, the prosecution and the judge also agreed that this was a crime. He committed this crime under the direction of Trump, he stated so under oath with no benefits from cooperation. This is no small thing and can't be compared to eating some fast food. Trump, if he wasn't currently president, would be charged as a co-conspirator.
They would be indicting trump is he wasn’t president. For sure. That’s not to say he would or wouldn’t be convicted.
So has the official countdown to the Pence train rolling into station started yet? Sure looks like that’s the direction things are heading! Sure are a lot of people eager to make Pence the incumbent in the next election, not sure how that would end up.
paying hush money to people is not a crime. not even in an election. if it was, he just admitted to committing a crime on fox and friends.
if he used campaign funds is the issue. at least that's my understanding.
Trump was the DONOR, making illegal campaign contributions . Illegal in both amount and lack of disclosure. (Allegedly)
The campaign crimes against Cohen are FELONIES.
Geez, the right wing lies are even infiltrating a liberal bands political forum
um, lies? this is exactly what I have read. And I guess I don't quite understand what you mean about trump making illegal contributions to his own campaign.
You're playing me, right?
Trump paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the benefit of his campaign for president.
The law considers this to be campaign money and a campaign contribution. There are recordings of trump discussing these payments in connection w the election.
The law includes limits to the amounts of such contributions...these are obviously far above those limits.
Also, we know they were not disclosed. We know he publicly denied making them.
We have also heard the recording with his voice, discussing them in advance.
This seems to be public evidence of Trump committing at least two felonies...and no, Obama never did this.
Until the law actually says in a court of law that Trump is guilty on this particular matter, than I will be skeptical. Is buying a happy meal at McDonalds so Trump doesn’t pass out from lack of food and hurt his campaign a campaign contribution? That is extreme but I just don’t think this is a black and white issue and if competent attorneys get involved for Trump I could see this one going his way.
I don't think you quite understand what's going on here. Cohen has pled guilty to this as a crime. He, the prosecution and the judge also agreed that this was a crime. He committed this crime under the direction of Trump, he stated so under oath with no benefits from cooperation. This is no small thing and can't be compared to eating some fast food. Trump, if he wasn't currently president, would be charged as a co-conspirator.
I haven’t read up on everything about it, but of course the prosecution says it is a crime, and if Cohen can get a deal by saying it is a crime and Lowe his sentence on the tax evasion matters than he will have no problem saying it is a crime. I guess I am saying that the criminality has not been challenged in court yet. That Cohen agreed to reduce his sentence does not mean that it is automatically a crime for Trump. The prosecution still needs to prove it is a crime in court under the law and the facts to convict trump.
So has the official countdown to the Pence train rolling into station started yet? Sure looks like that’s the direction things are heading! Sure are a lot of people eager to make Pence the incumbent in the next election, not sure how that would end up.
it would end up with coathangers in back alleys and a bible in every school desk, that's how it will end up.
paying hush money to people is not a crime. not even in an election. if it was, he just admitted to committing a crime on fox and friends.
if he used campaign funds is the issue. at least that's my understanding.
Trump was the DONOR, making illegal campaign contributions . Illegal in both amount and lack of disclosure. (Allegedly)
The campaign crimes against Cohen are FELONIES.
Geez, the right wing lies are even infiltrating a liberal bands political forum
um, lies? this is exactly what I have read. And I guess I don't quite understand what you mean about trump making illegal contributions to his own campaign.
You're playing me, right?
Trump paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the benefit of his campaign for president.
The law considers this to be campaign money and a campaign contribution. There are recordings of trump discussing these payments in connection w the election.
The law includes limits to the amounts of such contributions...these are obviously far above those limits.
Also, we know they were not disclosed. We know he publicly denied making them.
We have also heard the recording with his voice, discussing them in advance.
This seems to be public evidence of Trump committing at least two felonies...and no, Obama never did this.
Until the law actually says in a court of law that Trump is guilty on this particular matter, than I will be skeptical. Is buying a happy meal at McDonalds so Trump doesn’t pass out from lack of food and hurt his campaign a campaign contribution? That is extreme but I just don’t think this is a black and white issue and if competent attorneys get involved for Trump I could see this one going his way.
I don't think you quite understand what's going on here. Cohen has pled guilty to this as a crime. He, the prosecution and the judge also agreed that this was a crime. He committed this crime under the direction of Trump, he stated so under oath with no benefits from cooperation. This is no small thing and can't be compared to eating some fast food. Trump, if he wasn't currently president, would be charged as a co-conspirator.
I haven’t read up on everything about it, but of course the prosecution says it is a crime, and if Cohen can get a deal by saying it is a crime and Lowe his sentence on the tax evasion matters than he will have no problem saying it is a crime. I guess I am saying that the criminality has not been challenged in court yet. That Cohen agreed to reduce his sentence does not mean that it is automatically a crime for Trump. The prosecution still needs to prove it is a crime in court under the law and the facts to convict trump.
Okay, but he would still be charged with a crime. If we all just sit back and take that in.....your president should be in court fighting a criminal charge. That's a huge deal. And as I'm sure we all know, this is only the beginning.
So has the official countdown to the Pence train rolling into station started yet? Sure looks like that’s the direction things are heading! Sure are a lot of people eager to make Pence the incumbent in the next election, not sure how that would end up.
Pence isn’t electable as the head of a national ticket. Although our national security would be increased as he wouldn’t meet any female heads of state alone.
So has the official countdown to the Pence train rolling into station started yet? Sure looks like that’s the direction things are heading! Sure are a lot of people eager to make Pence the incumbent in the next election, not sure how that would end up.
it would end up with coathangers in back alleys and a bible in every school desk, that's how it will end up.
If that’s the case, is it better/worse than the status quo? Do people think that once Trump is out of office that they will be raising victory flags? I think it will be bittersweet for the ones trying so hard to get Trump out if/when it happens. I wonder if the odds of an incumbent win will be better or worse if Pence is the incumbent president...
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First, this had nothing to do with collusion, but paying off women he had affairs with. He is a sleaze and I'm sure colluded on Russia. But, in this particular instance I don't think paying off the women is going to create any criminal issues for Trump (unless it came out of campaign funds). Just typing my thoughts on a message board.
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if he used campaign funds is the issue. at least that's my understanding.
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Trump was the DONOR, making illegal campaign contributions . Illegal in both amount and lack of disclosure. (Allegedly)
The campaign crimes against Cohen are FELONIES.
Geez, the right wing lies are even infiltrating a liberal bands political forum
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You're playing me, right?
Trump paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the benefit of his campaign for president.
The law considers this to be campaign money and a campaign contribution. There are recordings of trump discussing these payments in connection w the election.
The law includes limits to the amounts of such contributions...these are obviously far above those limits.
Also, we know they were not disclosed. We know he publicly denied making them.
We have also heard the recording with his voice, discussing them in advance.
This seems to be public evidence of Trump committing at least two felonies...and no, Obama never did this.
Electoral Crime is STILL CRIME. Conspiracy is a CRIME.
Getting caught and lying about it and saying Obama did it too? Stupid.
Complicit R's in Congress? Good luck.
75 days till that Pendulum swings.
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Of course trump would have the right to deny this and present his evidence if he agrees to a subpoena to appear in court.
Trump says 'everybody would be very poor' if he's impeached
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"hey, MAW, the DOW just went up 200 points!"
"sa-WEET, Cletus! now we can buy a new awning for the trailer!"
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he is so delusional it's not even funny.
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