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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,279
    Remember this gem from Pence?

     “To suggest that is to give credence to some of these bizarre rumors around the candidacy. a distraction to delegitimize the election. The American people see right through it”

     

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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    FLIPPED

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,605
    Tiki said:
    FLIPPED

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sen-rand-paul-goes-to-moscow-and-invites-russians-to-washington-in-unofficial-bid-to-boost-ties/ar-BBLyx7L?li=BBnb7Kz
    Complicit in The coverup. NRA and RNC so desperately need this. Team Mueller is sorting it out and connecting the dots. Remember those? Connecting dots is fun boys and girls!
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    cwoycheesecwoycheese Springfield, Missouri Posts: 26
    Politics in the US has jumped shark.  Not a fan of our two parties as I believe they play us all. 

    Trump is setting a bad precedent with his godforsaken twitter BS as well.  

    Just my 2 cents.  
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    Where I come from, we call that CONSPIRACY.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,242
    edited August 2018
    This seems like a good take on the Manafort trial and constant delegitimizing being undertaken by those who keep talking about witch hunts and the insignificance of it all.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/08/manaforts-first-trial-is-a-sideshow-the-next-one-wont-be.html
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    cwoycheese said:
    Politics in the US has jumped shark.  Not a fan of our two parties as I believe they play us all. 

    Trump is setting a bad precedent with his godforsaken twitter BS as well.  

    Just my 2 cents.  
    Agreed!  
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    Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Disaster capitalism:


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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,242
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Disaster capitalism:


    What the fuck?! Oh man, this lying piece of shit just made my blood boil. I hadn't seen this ignorant statement. I know where we can find a lot of water to put out these fires, his bloated abdomen.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,006
    tbergs said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Disaster capitalism:


    What the fuck?! Oh man, this lying piece of shit just made my blood boil. I hadn't seen this ignorant statement. I know where we can find a lot of water to put out these fires, his bloated abdomen.
    Or his yearly golden showers.
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    bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,931
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Disaster capitalism:


    Yeah...the wildfire problem is because there are too many trees.  What an ignorant ass. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,605
    LongestRoad said:
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    Bentleyspop said:
    This is another example of how one acts presidential and like a mature thoughtful adult....


    He didn't fight for the rights of the innocent people in the middle east that were being slaughtered byISIS who he even refused to call that. 
    You have no idea what you’re talking about. 
    I know exactly what I'm talking about. Like everyone is bitching about Trump giving respect to putin, obama was giving respect to ISIS by refusing to call them that. He refused. He was saying ISIL. It was like a kick in the face to the innocent people there. Don't give me the bs he was doing something. he did the absolut minimum. Enoughrules of engagement to help keep them growing. It was horrific for the people there. Only changed rules after trump got elected. Don't listen to liberal media. Listen to the people that lived there. 
    Lol
    Amazing how detached from reality some people are. 
    Yes that's what people say about most liberals. 

    This is true, but you need to qualify it a little.

    When you say 'people'... you mean to say 'people that haven't spent too much time in school or at the dentist office'.

    Right? Right.
    LOL, typical liberal brain like anyone that's not liberal is all the way to the right. Left will get you pretty much nowhere. Keep pushing that socialism. 

    First off... horrible grammar. Read your post out loud and listen to it (in particular the very first section that I think you think is a sentence). I mean... come on... at least try a little if you're going to come on here and try and sound like a really intelligent person that has it all figured out.

    But I think I get what you're saying: I think you're saying socialism sucks and capitalism rocks.

    This leads me to believe you don't understand the growing wealth disparity and not only how this wide chasm has manifested itself... nor the impact it has on society.

    Or... you profit greatly from the capitalistic model and have no genuine interest in the welfare of others (ie. McDonald Trump). You'd wreak havoc on the environment and people in pursuit of a dollar.
    The economy is good. There's more jobs. What's not to like. When Obama got into office. There were so many cuts. The job market shrunk. the insurance rates sky rocketed. Insurance coverage turned to garbage for anyone that was working  that wasn't connected to a government agency or was on some sort of assistance. Please don't post if you're rich and didn't feel the impact that the middle class and poor working class felt. 

    socialism sounds great in fairyland world. In reality look to Venezuala for a clue to what socialism will eventually get you. 
    sorry for my phone grammar in advance. 
    Alex, I’d like to buy a clue please. Consider the following:

    Under Team Trump Treason, his 2nd quarter GDP grew 4.1%. Obama had 4 different quarters of GDP of 4% or better.

    Under TTT’s first 18 months, average job growth was 193K per month. Obama’s last 18 months in office job growth averaged 206K per month.

    Under TTT’s last 12 months, average  hourly wage gains were 2.5%. Under Obama they were 2.9%.

    Team Trump Treason is already doing worse than Obama after Obama handed him an incredible economy. Can’t wait for you guys to blame Hillary when the recession hit.

    And sure, the US is going to turn into Venezuela. Yea, we’ll have armed drones killing people.
     
    lol, reality numbers only count. Madoff gave numbers. how did the numbers work in the primaries with hillary and bernie?


    Here's some more reality numbers for you. Try to understand them. Bernie Madoff is a scum bag convicted Ponzi scheme operator and Team Trump Treason must have taken after him. He's got you fooled.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/05/opinion/columnists/trump-real-wages-inflation-workers-economy.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/opinion&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=7&pgtype=sectionfront



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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Disaster capitalism:


    You see thats why Trump is the most stable genius ever.  Exactly, no more trees, no more wildfires ... what do we need trees for.  ;)
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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,385
    Sorry for the post above...I was trying to quote someone & it got all screwed up. LOL.
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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
    Now that he's admitted conspiring with Russia, when does the impeachment begin? There has to be consequences for breaking the law or everyone can do it without consequences. 


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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,385
    Kat said:
    Now that he's admitted conspiring with Russia, when does the impeachment begin? There has to be consequences for breaking the law or everyone can do it without consequences. 


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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,883
    Meltdown99 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Disaster capitalism:


    You see thats why Trump is the most stable genius ever.  Exactly, no more trees, no more wildfires ... what do we need trees for.  ;)
    I am thinking in his warped mind he talking about more controlled burns.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Kat said:
    Now that he's admitted conspiring with Russia, when does the impeachment begin? There has to be consequences for breaking the law or everyone can do it without consequences. 


    After the November elections I suspect.  He'll quit if he is being impeached...
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,605
    Spends his time watching himself at his rallies. Let that sink in. If it can.

    Trump Loves Watching Replays of His Own Rallies, Cooing Over His Performances - Vanity Fair https://apple.news/AWyJF9cQ-SgKIcqX1u7FtZg

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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spends his time watching himself at his rallies. Let that sink in. If it can.

    Trump Loves Watching Replays of His Own Rallies, Cooing Over His Performances - Vanity Fair https://apple.news/AWyJF9cQ-SgKIcqX1u7FtZg

    He's such a horrible embarrassment. It's cringe-worthy. :(

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    Edved82Edved82 Ireland Posts: 1,251
    Think its starting to look likely that Don Jr, Kushner and Goldstone will be indicted for conspiracy. It'll depend on what Trump does in that case as to whether he'll remain in office. If he starts handing out pardons he's surely on borrowed time.
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,108
    Edved82 said:
    Think its starting to look likely that Don Jr, Kushner and Goldstone will be indicted for conspiracy. It'll depend on what Trump does in that case as to whether he'll remain in office. If he starts handing out pardons he's surely on borrowed time.
    I have no doubt he will pardon family members.  Good news is he will be removed from office shortly after he does.
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    Edved82Edved82 Ireland Posts: 1,251
    cincybearcat said:
    Edved82 said:
    Think its starting to look likely that Don Jr, Kushner and Goldstone will be indicted for conspiracy. It'll depend on what Trump does in that case as to whether he'll remain in office. If he starts handing out pardons he's surely on borrowed time.
    I have no doubt he will pardon family members.  Good news is he will be removed from office shortly after he does.
    Do you really think the Republicans will do the right thing though regarding impeachment in that case? I'd have my doubts.
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    stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 3,359
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spends his time watching himself at his rallies. Let that sink in. If it can.

    Trump Loves Watching Replays of His Own Rallies, Cooing Over His Performances - Vanity Fair https://apple.news/AWyJF9cQ-SgKIcqX1u7FtZg

    That's disgusting
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    cincybearcat said:
    Edved82 said:
    Think its starting to look likely that Don Jr, Kushner and Goldstone will be indicted for conspiracy. It'll depend on what Trump does in that case as to whether he'll remain in office. If he starts handing out pardons he's surely on borrowed time.
    I have no doubt he will pardon family members.  Good news is he will be removed from office shortly after he does.
    Dont hold your breath, the GOP is totally sold out
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,605
    my2hands said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Edved82 said:
    Think its starting to look likely that Don Jr, Kushner and Goldstone will be indicted for conspiracy. It'll depend on what Trump does in that case as to whether he'll remain in office. If he starts handing out pardons he's surely on borrowed time.
    I have no doubt he will pardon family members.  Good news is he will be removed from office shortly after he does.
    Dont hold your breath, the GOP is totally sold out
    The GOP IS COMPLICIT IN THE CONSPIRACY.
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,108
    my2hands said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Edved82 said:
    Think its starting to look likely that Don Jr, Kushner and Goldstone will be indicted for conspiracy. It'll depend on what Trump does in that case as to whether he'll remain in office. If he starts handing out pardons he's surely on borrowed time.
    I have no doubt he will pardon family members.  Good news is he will be removed from office shortly after he does.
    Dont hold your breath, the GOP is totally sold out
    I won’t hold my breath but I’d bet on it. 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,279
    cincybearcat said:
    my2hands said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Edved82 said:
    Think its starting to look likely that Don Jr, Kushner and Goldstone will be indicted for conspiracy. It'll depend on what Trump does in that case as to whether he'll remain in office. If he starts handing out pardons he's surely on borrowed time.
    I have no doubt he will pardon family members.  Good news is he will be removed from office shortly after he does.
    Dont hold your breath, the GOP is totally sold out
    I won’t hold my breath but I’d bet on it. 

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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    LongestRoad said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    LongestRoad said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    LongestRoad said:
    The Juggler said:
    my2hands said:
    LongestRoad said:
    The Juggler said:
    LongestRoad said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    This is another example of how one acts presidential and like a mature thoughtful adult....


    He didn't fight for the rights of the innocent people in the middle east that were being slaughtered byISIS who he even refused to call that. 
    You have no idea what you’re talking about. 
    I know exactly what I'm talking about. Like everyone is bitching about Trump giving respect to putin, obama was giving respect to ISIS by refusing to call them that. He refused. He was saying ISIL. It was like a kick in the face to the innocent people there. Don't give me the bs he was doing something. he did the absolut minimum. Enoughrules of engagement to help keep them growing. It was horrific for the people there. Only changed rules after trump got elected. Don't listen to liberal media. Listen to the people that lived there. 
    Lol
    Amazing how detached from reality some people are. 
    Yes that's what people say about most liberals. 

    This is true, but you need to qualify it a little.

    When you say 'people'... you mean to say 'people that haven't spent too much time in school or at the dentist office'.

    Right? Right.
    LOL, typical liberal brain like anyone that's not liberal is all the way to the right. Left will get you pretty much nowhere. Keep pushing that socialism. 

    First off... horrible grammar. Read your post out loud and listen to it (in particular the very first section that I think you think is a sentence). I mean... come on... at least try a little if you're going to come on here and try and sound like a really intelligent person that has it all figured out.

    But I think I get what you're saying: I think you're saying socialism sucks and capitalism rocks.

    This leads me to believe you don't understand the growing wealth disparity and not only how this wide chasm has manifested itself... nor the impact it has on society.

    Or... you profit greatly from the capitalistic model and have no genuine interest in the welfare of others (ie. McDonald Trump). You'd wreak havoc on the environment and people in pursuit of a dollar.
     When Obama got into office. There were so many cuts. The job market shrunk. the insurance rates sky rocketed. Insurance coverage turned to garbage for anyone that was working  that wasn't connected to a government agency or was on some sort of assistance. Please don't post if you're rich and didn't feel the impact that the middle class and poor working class felt. 
    Honest question... how old were you in 2008/2009?

    You believe Obama caused the Great Recession?
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