why does everyone give obama credit for bin laden but give trump zero credit when high ranking ISIS militants are captured/killed? you can't have both. did trump have anything to do with it? doubtful, but he likely still had to be in on it and possibly give his blessing. I highly doubt Obama was in on the planning of capturing bin laden. he merely listened to his generals and gave the ok to go in and got a picture taken while he watched it on tv.
I think it’s safe to say that Obama listened to the options presented by the officers, discussed the pros and cons, weighed the options and gave the go ahead for his choice. It’s unlikely that the same can be said of Trump.
My god are you serious? Yes the majority of you hate Trump and think he's an idiot but he's a successful businessman who's a freaking billionaire, who beat out 15 (?) other republican candidates and beat Clinton. He is definitely not as dumb as some of you make him out to be. Yes he should put down his twitter account and he sucks at public speaking but I do think he's a very smart man. You guys all have fun just agreeing with each other.
He’s not a successful business man. He was a successful television star playing a successful business man.
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everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH.
I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on.
Read up on the cabinet officials and the VP on how engaged he was. Read up on his morning routine. Give us a break.
why does everyone give obama credit for bin laden but give trump zero credit when high ranking ISIS militants are captured/killed? you can't have both. did trump have anything to do with it? doubtful, but he likely still had to be in on it and possibly give his blessing. I highly doubt Obama was in on the planning of capturing bin laden. he merely listened to his generals and gave the ok to go in and got a picture taken while he watched it on tv.
It's tough to play devil's advocate in this thread. For good reason, the hatred runs deep for McDonald Trump.
I hate poopy pants as much as the next guy, but the venom spit at Scruffy in the last few pages has been excessive in my opinion.
That’s because it’s lop-sided in here. It’s 1,000 against 1. Anyone who utters one word that is not pure hatred for trump is chastised. It’s kind of pathetic.
Same can be said of those that don’t give Obama an ounce of credit for anything. Like bringing 13 hostages back from NK. Or just maybe having common decency, professionalism, empathy and actually got things done for the best interests of the country, despite, “our number one priority is to see this president fail,” and not his ego.
But no one is talking about Obama in this Trump thread. The point is that this is a political thread where people should be able to voice their opinions without getting ripped. One member said Trump has done a decent job, constructively and respectfully gave his reasons, and he got lambasted by everyone. That makes for a pretty boring thread in my opinion.
why does everyone give obama credit for bin laden but give trump zero credit when high ranking ISIS militants are captured/killed? you can't have both. did trump have anything to do with it? doubtful, but he likely still had to be in on it and possibly give his blessing. I highly doubt Obama was in on the planning of capturing bin laden. he merely listened to his generals and gave the ok to go in and got a picture taken while he watched it on tv.
I think it’s safe to say that Obama listened to the options presented by the officers, discussed the pros and cons, weighed the options and gave the go ahead for his choice. It’s unlikely that the same can be said of Trump.
My god are you serious? Yes the majority of you hate Trump and think he's an idiot but he's a successful businessman who's a freaking billionaire, who beat out 15 (?) other republican candidates and beat Clinton. He is definitely not as dumb as some of you make him out to be. Yes he should put down his twitter account and he sucks at public speaking but I do think he's a very smart man. You guys all have fun just agreeing with each other.
If he’s such a successful business man, why hasn’t he released his taxes? The repube party caved and he needed an assist from putin on the ritz. As for his current “success?” “We’ll see.”
why does everyone give obama credit for bin laden but give trump zero credit when high ranking ISIS militants are captured/killed? you can't have both. did trump have anything to do with it? doubtful, but he likely still had to be in on it and possibly give his blessing. I highly doubt Obama was in on the planning of capturing bin laden. he merely listened to his generals and gave the ok to go in and got a picture taken while he watched it on tv.
It's tough to play devil's advocate in this thread. For good reason, the hatred runs deep for McDonald Trump.
I hate poopy pants as much as the next guy, but the venom spit at Scruffy in the last few pages has been excessive in my opinion.
That’s because it’s lop-sided in here. It’s 1,000 against 1. Anyone who utters one word that is not pure hatred for trump is chastised. It’s kind of pathetic.
Same can be said of those that don’t give Obama an ounce of credit for anything. Like bringing 13 hostages back from NK. Or just maybe having common decency, professionalism, empathy and actually got things done for the best interests of the country, despite, “our number one priority is to see this president fail,” and not his ego.
But no one is talking about Obama in this Trump thread. The point is that this is a political thread where people should be able to voice their opinions without getting ripped. One member said Trump has done a decent job, constructively and respectfully gave his reasons, and he got lambasted by everyone. That makes for a pretty boring thread in my opinion.
Because they disagree with his assessment of Trump’s performance. It’s boring if everyone just said, yup, I’m with you. Personally, I enjoy reading the Team Trump Treason defenders. It’s astounding to me.
why does everyone give obama credit for bin laden but give trump zero credit when high ranking ISIS militants are captured/killed? you can't have both. did trump have anything to do with it? doubtful, but he likely still had to be in on it and possibly give his blessing. I highly doubt Obama was in on the planning of capturing bin laden. he merely listened to his generals and gave the ok to go in and got a picture taken while he watched it on tv.
It's tough to play devil's advocate in this thread. For good reason, the hatred runs deep for McDonald Trump.
I hate poopy pants as much as the next guy, but the venom spit at Scruffy in the last few pages has been excessive in my opinion.
That’s because it’s lop-sided in here. It’s 1,000 against 1. Anyone who utters one word that is not pure hatred for trump is chastised. It’s kind of pathetic.
Same can be said of those that don’t give Obama an ounce of credit for anything. Like bringing 13 hostages back from NK. Or just maybe having common decency, professionalism, empathy and actually got things done for the best interests of the country, despite, “our number one priority is to see this president fail,” and not his ego.
But no one is talking about Obama in this Trump thread. The point is that this is a political thread where people should be able to voice their opinions without getting ripped. One member said Trump has done a decent job, constructively and respectfully gave his reasons, and he got lambasted by everyone. That makes for a pretty boring thread in my opinion.
Because they disagree with his assessment of Trump’s performance. It’s boring if everyone just said, yup, I’m with you. Personally, I enjoy reading the Team Trump Treason defenders. It’s astounding to me.
This whole thread is everyone saying precisely that. “Yup, I’m with you.” That’s my point. One person says otherwise and the masses want to tar and feather him.
why does everyone give obama credit for bin laden but give trump zero credit when high ranking ISIS militants are captured/killed? you can't have both. did trump have anything to do with it? doubtful, but he likely still had to be in on it and possibly give his blessing. I highly doubt Obama was in on the planning of capturing bin laden. he merely listened to his generals and gave the ok to go in and got a picture taken while he watched it on tv.
I think it’s safe to say that Obama listened to the options presented by the officers, discussed the pros and cons, weighed the options and gave the go ahead for his choice. It’s unlikely that the same can be said of Trump.
My god are you serious? Yes the majority of you hate Trump and think he's an idiot but he's a successful businessman who's a freaking billionaire, who beat out 15 (?) other republican candidates and beat Clinton. He is definitely not as dumb as some of you make him out to be. Yes he should put down his twitter account and he sucks at public speaking but I do think he's a very smart man. You guys all have fun just agreeing with each other.
I couldn't disagree with this any more. It's not fun at all, agreeing all the time. Boring.
why does everyone give obama credit for bin laden but give trump zero credit when high ranking ISIS militants are captured/killed? you can't have both. did trump have anything to do with it? doubtful, but he likely still had to be in on it and possibly give his blessing. I highly doubt Obama was in on the planning of capturing bin laden. he merely listened to his generals and gave the ok to go in and got a picture taken while he watched it on tv.
It's tough to play devil's advocate in this thread. For good reason, the hatred runs deep for McDonald Trump.
I hate poopy pants as much as the next guy, but the venom spit at Scruffy in the last few pages has been excessive in my opinion.
That’s because it’s lop-sided in here. It’s 1,000 against 1. Anyone who utters one word that is not pure hatred for trump is chastised. It’s kind of pathetic.
Same can be said of those that don’t give Obama an ounce of credit for anything. Like bringing 13 hostages back from NK. Or just maybe having common decency, professionalism, empathy and actually got things done for the best interests of the country, despite, “our number one priority is to see this president fail,” and not his ego.
But no one is talking about Obama in this Trump thread. The point is that this is a political thread where people should be able to voice their opinions without getting ripped. One member said Trump has done a decent job, constructively and respectfully gave his reasons, and he got lambasted by everyone. That makes for a pretty boring thread in my opinion.
Because they disagree with his assessment of Trump’s performance. It’s boring if everyone just said, yup, I’m with you. Personally, I enjoy reading the Team Trump Treason defenders. It’s astounding to me.
This whole thread is everyone saying precisely that. “Yup, I’m with you.” That’s my point. One person says otherwise and the masses want to tar and feather him.
Can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen. McGruff seems to hold his own quite well. Hell, he and I are going to solve all the world’s problems at the next jointly attended pre/post party. Like I said, astounding.
why does everyone give obama credit for bin laden but give trump zero credit when high ranking ISIS militants are captured/killed? you can't have both. did trump have anything to do with it? doubtful, but he likely still had to be in on it and possibly give his blessing. I highly doubt Obama was in on the planning of capturing bin laden. he merely listened to his generals and gave the ok to go in and got a picture taken while he watched it on tv.
It's tough to play devil's advocate in this thread. For good reason, the hatred runs deep for McDonald Trump.
I hate poopy pants as much as the next guy, but the venom spit at Scruffy in the last few pages has been excessive in my opinion.
That’s because it’s lop-sided in here. It’s 1,000 against 1. Anyone who utters one word that is not pure hatred for trump is chastised. It’s kind of pathetic.
Same can be said of those that don’t give Obama an ounce of credit for anything. Like bringing 13 hostages back from NK. Or just maybe having common decency, professionalism, empathy and actually got things done for the best interests of the country, despite, “our number one priority is to see this president fail,” and not his ego.
But no one is talking about Obama in this Trump thread. The point is that this is a political thread where people should be able to voice their opinions without getting ripped. One member said Trump has done a decent job, constructively and respectfully gave his reasons, and he got lambasted by everyone. That makes for a pretty boring thread in my opinion.
Because they disagree with his assessment of Trump’s performance. It’s boring if everyone just said, yup, I’m with you. Personally, I enjoy reading the Team Trump Treason defenders. It’s astounding to me.
This whole thread is everyone saying precisely that. “Yup, I’m with you.” That’s my point. One person says otherwise and the masses want to tar and feather him.
Can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen. McGruff seems to hold his own quite well. Hell, he and I are going to solve all the world’s problems at the next jointly attended pre/post party. Like I said, astounding.
Of course he can hold his own and he certainly doesn’t need me rushing to his defense. I’m just making a point and responding to your counters. And if that was directed at me, I can take the heat brother. I’m quite comfortable actually. I hope to join in on the world problem-solving conversations at the shows. Cheers.
everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH.
I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on.
Read up on the cabinet officials and the VP on how engaged he was. Read up on his morning routine. Give us a break.
I have. Trump starts his workday at 11. Obama started as late as 10, but also would sometimes work well into the evening. we also know that Trump doesn't spend a whole lot of time actually working, especially compared to obama. that can be good and bad. leaders at the top are supposed to lead and delegate. I know the president of my company works zero overtime, while many people in the company do.
however, that has zero to do with whether Trump had anything to do with ISIS or the NK hostages being released. My point is everyone here is only assuming he shouldn't be given credit for any of it. We can all surmise from the political cartoons that we are constantly seeing of him binging on KFC and watching Fox and Friends 24/7. But this is obviously not reality.
why does everyone give obama credit for bin laden but give trump zero credit when high ranking ISIS militants are captured/killed? you can't have both. did trump have anything to do with it? doubtful, but he likely still had to be in on it and possibly give his blessing. I highly doubt Obama was in on the planning of capturing bin laden. he merely listened to his generals and gave the ok to go in and got a picture taken while he watched it on tv.
I think it’s safe to say that Obama listened to the options presented by the officers, discussed the pros and cons, weighed the options and gave the go ahead for his choice. It’s unlikely that the same can be said of Trump.
My god are you serious? Yes the majority of you hate Trump and think he's an idiot but he's a successful businessman who's a freaking billionaire, who beat out 15 (?) other republican candidates and beat Clinton. He is definitely not as dumb as some of you make him out to be. Yes he should put down his twitter account and he sucks at public speaking but I do think he's a very smart man. You guys all have fun just agreeing with each other.
I couldn't disagree with this any more. It's not fun at all, agreeing all the time. Boring.
I love my boy McGruff (despite our difference of opinion about Riot Act & Binaural lol)... I know he is a smart dude, history buff, and teacher... and because of that I really value his opinion... that's why I'm surprised... still love the dude and respect him, just a little shocked
He said he is pleasantly surprised by Trump... I found that interesting... I asked him why... his answers were frankly very weak in my opinion.... so I adressed each one with a rebuttal...
One day I will have an IPA with McGruff, while spinning the 21st century masterpiece Riot Act, and tell him personally that he is crazy and Trump fucking blows lol
I would agree with the earlier statement i saw that if Trump is impressing you, that must be a very low bar!
why does everyone give obama credit for bin laden but give trump zero credit when high ranking ISIS militants are captured/killed? you can't have both. did trump have anything to do with it? doubtful, but he likely still had to be in on it and possibly give his blessing. I highly doubt Obama was in on the planning of capturing bin laden. he merely listened to his generals and gave the ok to go in and got a picture taken while he watched it on tv.
I think it’s safe to say that Obama listened to the options presented by the officers, discussed the pros and cons, weighed the options and gave the go ahead for his choice. It’s unlikely that the same can be said of Trump.
My god are you serious? Yes the majority of you hate Trump and think he's an idiot but he's a successful businessman who's a freaking billionaire, who beat out 15 (?) other republican candidates and beat Clinton. He is definitely not as dumb as some of you make him out to be. Yes he should put down his twitter account and he sucks at public speaking but I do think he's a very smart man. You guys all have fun just agreeing with each other.
it is possible he was a successful (well maybe) businessman as a younger guy but is an idiot in the position he now olds? both can be true. you can be successful in one job but incompetent as you progress to a higher level. for the office he now holds, at his current age and health, he is an idiot...in my humble opinion.
why does everyone give obama credit for bin laden but give trump zero credit when high ranking ISIS militants are captured/killed? you can't have both. did trump have anything to do with it? doubtful, but he likely still had to be in on it and possibly give his blessing. I highly doubt Obama was in on the planning of capturing bin laden. he merely listened to his generals and gave the ok to go in and got a picture taken while he watched it on tv.
I think it’s safe to say that Obama listened to the options presented by the officers, discussed the pros and cons, weighed the options and gave the go ahead for his choice. It’s unlikely that the same can be said of Trump.
My god are you serious? Yes the majority of you hate Trump and think he's an idiot but he's a successful businessman who's a freaking billionaire, who beat out 15 (?) other republican candidates and beat Clinton. He is definitely not as dumb as some of you make him out to be. Yes he should put down his twitter account and he sucks at public speaking but I do think he's a very smart man. You guys all have fun just agreeing with each other.
I couldn't disagree with this any more. It's not fun at all, agreeing all the time. Boring.
That's why I spend time on that other site.
Rattling the ECHO CHAMBER.
I've spent time there. They are terrible at making cogent arguments. Within two messages, they resort to name calling, even when trying to have a normal discussion. A few can hold their own but definitely minority.
why does everyone give obama credit for bin laden but give trump zero credit when high ranking ISIS militants are captured/killed? you can't have both. did trump have anything to do with it? doubtful, but he likely still had to be in on it and possibly give his blessing. I highly doubt Obama was in on the planning of capturing bin laden. he merely listened to his generals and gave the ok to go in and got a picture taken while he watched it on tv.
I think it’s safe to say that Obama listened to the options presented by the officers, discussed the pros and cons, weighed the options and gave the go ahead for his choice. It’s unlikely that the same can be said of Trump.
My god are you serious? Yes the majority of you hate Trump and think he's an idiot but he's a successful businessman who's a freaking billionaire, who beat out 15 (?) other republican candidates and beat Clinton. He is definitely not as dumb as some of you make him out to be. Yes he should put down his twitter account and he sucks at public speaking but I do think he's a very smart man. You guys all have fun just agreeing with each other.
it is possible he was a successful (well maybe) businessman as a younger guy but is an idiot in the position he now olds? both can be true. you can be successful in one job but incompetent as you progress to a higher level. for the office he now holds, at his current age and health, he is an idiot...in my humble opinion.
It’s possible, but we don’t really even have much proof he was a successful businessman at any point. What we do know is:
He started off wealthy He bankrupted six companies He’s been known to overstate his wealth He has refused to release any independently verified proof of his income or net worth
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Take a ride to Atlantic City if you think he is a successful businessman... I stayed at the Taj Mahal years ago before it closed, it was a fucking dump... totally disgusting property that was horribly run... his properties are a massive blight on that town to this day
why does everyone give obama credit for bin laden but give trump zero credit when high ranking ISIS militants are captured/killed? you can't have both. did trump have anything to do with it? doubtful, but he likely still had to be in on it and possibly give his blessing. I highly doubt Obama was in on the planning of capturing bin laden. he merely listened to his generals and gave the ok to go in and got a picture taken while he watched it on tv.
You would be correct. Just finished "the operator" and Obama had nothing to do with the planning or intelligence gathering of capturing Bin Laden. He was given several options and in the end gave the go for the mission.
I don’t think people were under the impression it played out any differently. How I see these things with trump is that he is presented one option, and he says okay to it. He is not a person who gathers information and weighs things out critically. He actually seems pretty proud to be ignorant.
I don't see what the concern is here. If a Trump supporter wants to come on this thread and state why they think things are going well they are free to do so. Yes, they will face rebuttals, that should be expected. There is also nothing stopping someone who is in agreement with his policies or actions to come on here and rebut anyone who thinks otherwise. I think the main reason you don't see it happen very often is because it is hard to speak for anything he does because of the terrible person he is. You might as well go to the Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein threads and try to proclaim the great things they did and see where that gets you as well. Terrible people may momentarily be able to hide or conceal their true self by doing something that seems great, but that should not allow their acts to be forgiven or forgotten unless they make a change and seek forgiveness through acknowledgement of their misdeeds.
everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH.
I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on.
everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH.
I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on.
I give validity to many of the leaks. But it’s also been his work style previous to being presidentand what people who have worked with him in the past have said.
why does everyone give obama credit for bin laden but give trump zero credit when high ranking ISIS militants are captured/killed? you can't have both. did trump have anything to do with it? doubtful, but he likely still had to be in on it and possibly give his blessing. I highly doubt Obama was in on the planning of capturing bin laden. he merely listened to his generals and gave the ok to go in and got a picture taken while he watched it on tv.
I think it’s safe to say that Obama listened to the options presented by the officers, discussed the pros and cons, weighed the options and gave the go ahead for his choice. It’s unlikely that the same can be said of Trump.
My god are you serious? Yes the majority of you hate Trump and think he's an idiot but he's a successful businessman who's a freaking billionaire, who beat out 15 (?) other republican candidates and beat Clinton. He is definitely not as dumb as some of you make him out to be. Yes he should put down his twitter account and he sucks at public speaking but I do think he's a very smart man. You guys all have fun just agreeing with each other.
What you’re using as evidence of trump’s intelligence are actually just a result of the image he has sold. It got him a tv show and it got him elected. He’s a con man.
everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH.
I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on.
everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH.
I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on.
I give validity to many of the leaks. But it’s also been his work style previous to being presidentand what people who have worked with him in the past have said.
fine, but how on one hand can people give him zero credit for positive things yet blame him for all of the negative things? either he's responsible or he's not.
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everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH.
I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on.
everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH.
I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on.
I give validity to many of the leaks. But it’s also been his work style previous to being presidentand what people who have worked with him in the past have said.
fine, but how on one hand can people give him zero credit for positive things yet blame him for all of the negative things? either he's responsible or he's not.
If you become a supervisor of a productive organization and you stay the course of your predecessor you don't get credit for anything besides not screwing up a good thing by implementing changes where they aren't needed. I guess you can give credit for recognizing not to change effective methods and practices, but anything you change which results in a negative (wealth, employee turn over, job satisfaction, effectiveness, etc.) you are going to own it. I don't think credit is the right term here. Trump has not destroyed the economy or started a war, but several of the measures he has taken have started tipping the scales back the other way. It's just that these moves take time to fully be felt on an entire country. I just don't see where he gets credit for anything at this point? Credit for passing his tax bill? Ok, sure. Do I think it's good credit? No, but I guess we can give him credit for doing what he said, just like ISIS takes credit for terrorist attacks. They both did what they said, but it doesn't mean it's good.
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however, that has zero to do with whether Trump had anything to do with ISIS or the NK hostages being released. My point is everyone here is only assuming he shouldn't be given credit for any of it. We can all surmise from the political cartoons that we are constantly seeing of him binging on KFC and watching Fox and Friends 24/7. But this is obviously not reality.
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I love my boy McGruff (despite our difference of opinion about Riot Act & Binaural lol)... I know he is a smart dude, history buff, and teacher... and because of that I really value his opinion... that's why I'm surprised... still love the dude and respect him, just a little shocked
He said he is pleasantly surprised by Trump... I found that interesting... I asked him why... his answers were frankly very weak in my opinion.... so I adressed each one with a rebuttal...
One day I will have an IPA with McGruff, while spinning the 21st century masterpiece Riot Act, and tell him personally that he is crazy and Trump fucking blows lol
I would agree with the earlier statement i saw that if Trump is impressing you, that must be a very low bar!
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I'll be thinking about that in Amsterdam in 4 weeks.
He started off wealthy
He bankrupted six companies
He’s been known to overstate his wealth
He has refused to release any independently verified proof of his income or net worth
How many employees and vendors did he stiff?
Take a ride to Atlantic City if you think he is a successful businessman... I stayed at the Taj Mahal years ago before it closed, it was a fucking dump... totally disgusting property that was horribly run... his properties are a massive blight on that town to this day
I give validity to many of the leaks. But it’s also been his work style previous to being presidentand what people who have worked with him in the past have said.
What you’re using as evidence of trump’s intelligence are actually just a result of the image he has sold. It got him a tv show and it got him elected. He’s a con man.
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