President Donald Trump accused Democrats on Monday of being “un-American” and “treasonous” in a campaign-style speech in Cincinnati that was actually meant to tout the recent GOP tax bill and the economy.
“Can we call that treason?” Trump said, referring to Democrats who did not clap for him during his State of the Union address last week. “Why not? I mean, they certainly didn’t seem to love our country very much.”
Can we call that treason? Well, no, actually.
to be fair, i watched the video. he was simply playfully responding to someone in the crowd yelling out "treason!". and the media is twisting it to make it sound like he insitgated it. that's just how he is. he talks to a crowd and cameras like he's having a one-on-one conversation. it's odd, and irresponsible, but hardly as bad as the media is spinning it.
It's worse than how the media is spinning it. Could you imagine any other president saying that? It would be news for days but with this dumpster fire it was probably covered for a couple hours last night and now on to the next disaster.
White House counselor Kellyanne Conway has taken control of the opioids agenda, quietly freezing out drug policy professionals and relying instead on political staff to address a lethal crisis claiming about 175 lives a day. The main response so far has been to call for a border wall and to promise a "just say no” campaign.
Trump is expected to propose massive cuts this month to the “drug czar” office, just as he attempted in last year’s budget before backing off. He hasn’t named a permanent director for the office, and the chief of staff was sacked in December. For months, the office’s top political appointee was a 24-year-old Trump campaign staffer with no relevant qualifications. Its senior leadership consists of a skeleton crew of three political appointees, down from nine a year ago
President Donald Trump accused Democrats on Monday of being “un-American” and “treasonous” in a campaign-style speech in Cincinnati that was actually meant to tout the recent GOP tax bill and the economy.
“Can we call that treason?” Trump said, referring to Democrats who did not clap for him during his State of the Union address last week. “Why not? I mean, they certainly didn’t seem to love our country very much.”
Can we call that treason? Well, no, actually.
to be fair, i watched the video. he was simply playfully responding to someone in the crowd yelling out "treason!". and the media is twisting it to make it sound like he insitgated it. that's just how he is. he talks to a crowd and cameras like he's having a one-on-one conversation. it's odd, and irresponsible, but hardly as bad as the media is spinning it.
It's worse than how the media is spinning it. Could you imagine any other president saying that? It would be news for days but with this dumpster fire it was probably covered for a couple hours last night and now on to the next disaster.
That's a great point that I don't hear many people making. This situation with tRump is off the charts. Every day is further off the chart.
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President Donald Trump accused Democrats on Monday of being “un-American” and “treasonous” in a campaign-style speech in Cincinnati that was actually meant to tout the recent GOP tax bill and the economy.
“Can we call that treason?” Trump said, referring to Democrats who did not clap for him during his State of the Union address last week. “Why not? I mean, they certainly didn’t seem to love our country very much.”
Can we call that treason? Well, no, actually.
to be fair, i watched the video. he was simply playfully responding to someone in the crowd yelling out "treason!". and the media is twisting it to make it sound like he insitgated it. that's just how he is. he talks to a crowd and cameras like he's having a one-on-one conversation. it's odd, and irresponsible, but hardly as bad as the media is spinning it.
It's worse than how the media is spinning it. Could you imagine any other president saying that? It would be news for days but with this dumpster fire it was probably covered for a couple hours last night and now on to the next disaster.
I know what you are saying, but unfortunately, I'm not giving him a pass, but context is everything. if any other president were to say it, you are right, it would be shocking. But in light of everything else he has said, you have to take that into consideration. this is the new fucking normal, for at least 3 more years, whether we like it or not.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
President Donald Trump accused Democrats on Monday of being “un-American” and “treasonous” in a campaign-style speech in Cincinnati that was actually meant to tout the recent GOP tax bill and the economy.
“Can we call that treason?” Trump said, referring to Democrats who did not clap for him during his State of the Union address last week. “Why not? I mean, they certainly didn’t seem to love our country very much.”
Can we call that treason? Well, no, actually.
to be fair, i watched the video. he was simply playfully responding to someone in the crowd yelling out "treason!". and the media is twisting it to make it sound like he insitgated it. that's just how he is. he talks to a crowd and cameras like he's having a one-on-one conversation. it's odd, and irresponsible, but hardly as bad as the media is spinning it.
It's worse than how the media is spinning it. Could you imagine any other president saying that? It would be news for days but with this dumpster fire it was probably covered for a couple hours last night and now on to the next disaster.
I know what you are saying, but unfortunately, I'm not giving him a pass, but context is everything. if any other president were to say it, you are right, it would be shocking. But in light of everything else he has said, you have to take that into consideration. this is the new fucking normal, for at least 3 more years, whether we like it or not.
It’ll be over in less than 3 years, thanks to Team Mueller and Team Trump Treason’s brilliance.
White House counselor Kellyanne Conway has taken control of the opioids agenda, quietly freezing out drug policy professionals and relying instead on political staff to address a lethal crisis claiming about 175 lives a day. The main response so far has been to call for a border wall and to promise a "just say no” campaign.
Trump is expected to propose massive cuts this month to the “drug czar” office, just as he attempted in last year’s budget before backing off. He hasn’t named a permanent director for the office, and the chief of staff was sacked in December. For months, the office’s top political appointee was a 24-year-old Trump campaign staffer with no relevant qualifications. Its senior leadership consists of a skeleton crew of three political appointees, down from nine a year ago
This current administration is a f***king embarrassment.. A 'border wall' and a promise to 'just say no', what a great plan!
White House counselor Kellyanne Conway has taken control of the opioids agenda, quietly freezing out drug policy professionals and relying instead on political staff to address a lethal crisis claiming about 175 lives a day. The main response so far has been to call for a border wall and to promise a "just say no” campaign.
Trump is expected to propose massive cuts this month to the “drug czar” office, just as he attempted in last year’s budget before backing off. He hasn’t named a permanent director for the office, and the chief of staff was sacked in December. For months, the office’s top political appointee was a 24-year-old Trump campaign staffer with no relevant qualifications. Its senior leadership consists of a skeleton crew of three political appointees, down from nine a year ago
This current administration is a f***king embarrassment.. A 'border wall' and a promise to 'just say no', what a great plan!
"Just say no" worked great in the Reagan era. And a huge chunk of the opiods are coming in from China, which incidentally already has its own wall.
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President Donald Trump accused Democrats on Monday of being “un-American” and “treasonous” in a campaign-style speech in Cincinnati that was actually meant to tout the recent GOP tax bill and the economy.
“Can we call that treason?” Trump said, referring to Democrats who did not clap for him during his State of the Union address last week. “Why not? I mean, they certainly didn’t seem to love our country very much.”
Can we call that treason? Well, no, actually.
to be fair, i watched the video. he was simply playfully responding to someone in the crowd yelling out "treason!". and the media is twisting it to make it sound like he insitgated it. that's just how he is. he talks to a crowd and cameras like he's having a one-on-one conversation. it's odd, and irresponsible, but hardly as bad as the media is spinning it.
It's worse than how the media is spinning it. Could you imagine any other president saying that? It would be news for days but with this dumpster fire it was probably covered for a couple hours last night and now on to the next disaster.
I know what you are saying, but unfortunately, I'm not giving him a pass, but context is everything. if any other president were to say it, you are right, it would be shocking. But in light of everything else he has said, you have to take that into consideration. this is the new fucking normal, for at least 3 more years, whether we like it or not.
President Donald Trump accused Democrats on Monday of being “un-American” and “treasonous” in a campaign-style speech in Cincinnati that was actually meant to tout the recent GOP tax bill and the economy.
“Can we call that treason?” Trump said, referring to Democrats who did not clap for him during his State of the Union address last week. “Why not? I mean, they certainly didn’t seem to love our country very much.”
Can we call that treason? Well, no, actually.
to be fair, i watched the video. he was simply playfully responding to someone in the crowd yelling out "treason!". and the media is twisting it to make it sound like he insitgated it. that's just how he is. he talks to a crowd and cameras like he's having a one-on-one conversation. it's odd, and irresponsible, but hardly as bad as the media is spinning it.
Because accusations of treason are always playful.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
President Donald Trump accused Democrats on Monday of being “un-American” and “treasonous” in a campaign-style speech in Cincinnati that was actually meant to tout the recent GOP tax bill and the economy.
“Can we call that treason?” Trump said, referring to Democrats who did not clap for him during his State of the Union address last week. “Why not? I mean, they certainly didn’t seem to love our country very much.”
Can we call that treason? Well, no, actually.
to be fair, i watched the video. he was simply playfully responding to someone in the crowd yelling out "treason!". and the media is twisting it to make it sound like he insitgated it. that's just how he is. he talks to a crowd and cameras like he's having a one-on-one conversation. it's odd, and irresponsible, but hardly as bad as the media is spinning it.
Because accusations of treason are always playful.
did you watch the video? I did. the video paints an entirely different picture than what I've seen from the media. I've said this before and I'll say it again, this is the shit that gives the "fake news" movement creedence. it's biased and sensationalisitic reporting.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
people keep asking the wrong questions when something like this happens. all I see is "how would the right have reacted if Obama/Hillary said this?". who gives a fuck? why not ask yourself this before you over react: "how would I have reacted if (the guy I liked) said this?". We all probably would have explained it away as playful banter at a rally based on historical and present context.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
people keep asking the wrong questions when something like this happens. all I see is "how would the right have reacted if Obama/Hillary said this?". who gives a fuck? why not ask yourself this before you over react: "how would I have reacted if (the guy I liked) said this?". We all probably would have explained it away as playful banter at a rally based on historical and present context.
people keep asking the wrong questions when something like this happens. all I see is "how would the right have reacted if Obama/Hillary said this?". who gives a fuck? why not ask yourself this before you over react: "how would I have reacted if (the guy I liked) said this?". We all probably would have explained it away as playful banter at a rally based on historical and present context.
This is what normalization looks like.
oh jesus. do people around here just have that on perpetual copy/paste?
what I'm referring to is what political bias looks like. some people just can't get passed it and see it for what it is.
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"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
President Donald Trump accused Democrats on Monday of being “un-American” and “treasonous” in a campaign-style speech in Cincinnati that was actually meant to tout the recent GOP tax bill and the economy.
“Can we call that treason?” Trump said, referring to Democrats who did not clap for him during his State of the Union address last week. “Why not? I mean, they certainly didn’t seem to love our country very much.”
Can we call that treason? Well, no, actually.
to be fair, i watched the video. he was simply playfully responding to someone in the crowd yelling out "treason!". and the media is twisting it to make it sound like he insitgated it. that's just how he is. he talks to a crowd and cameras like he's having a one-on-one conversation. it's odd, and irresponsible, but hardly as bad as the media is spinning it.
Because accusations of treason are always playful.
did you watch the video? I did. the video paints an entirely different picture than what I've seen from the media. I've said this before and I'll say it again, this is the shit that gives the "fake news" movement creedence. it's biased and sensationalisitic reporting.
Yes, I watched the video. The fact that he can "playfully" call people who disagree with him treasonous and some eat it up is astounding, and yes, you're giving him a pass. "Can we call it treason? Ehhhh, why not?" - there are a few really good reasons why not, that any sitting president, and in fact anyone with any sense should know. But I guess I'm just a contrarian.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
President Donald Trump accused Democrats on Monday of being “un-American” and “treasonous” in a campaign-style speech in Cincinnati that was actually meant to tout the recent GOP tax bill and the economy.
“Can we call that treason?” Trump said, referring to Democrats who did not clap for him during his State of the Union address last week. “Why not? I mean, they certainly didn’t seem to love our country very much.”
Can we call that treason? Well, no, actually.
to be fair, i watched the video. he was simply playfully responding to someone in the crowd yelling out "treason!". and the media is twisting it to make it sound like he insitgated it. that's just how he is. he talks to a crowd and cameras like he's having a one-on-one conversation. it's odd, and irresponsible, but hardly as bad as the media is spinning it.
Because accusations of treason are always playful.
did you watch the video? I did. the video paints an entirely different picture than what I've seen from the media. I've said this before and I'll say it again, this is the shit that gives the "fake news" movement creedence. it's biased and sensationalisitic reporting.
Yes, I watched the video. The fact that he can "playfully" call people who disagree with him treasonous and some eat it up is astounding, and yes, you're giving him a pass. "Can we call it treason? Ehhhh, why not?" - there are a few really good reasons why not, that any sitting president, and in fact anyone with any sense should know. But I guess I'm just a contrarian.
nope. I have given him zero passes since he came into office. but not everything he says requires the hysteria that some like to portray it as.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
the headlines I see when I google "trump treason" are laughable and fear mongering at its finest. "in dictator move...." is one of the funniest. But hey, I guess I'm a trump supporter now, right?
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
people keep asking the wrong questions when something like this happens. all I see is "how would the right have reacted if Obama/Hillary said this?". who gives a fuck? why not ask yourself this before you over react: "how would I have reacted if (the guy I liked) said this?". We all probably would have explained it away as playful banter at a rally based on historical and present context.
disagree....way off here
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018) The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
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people keep asking the wrong questions when something like this happens. all I see is "how would the right have reacted if Obama/Hillary said this?". who gives a fuck? why not ask yourself this before you over react: "how would I have reacted if (the guy I liked) said this?". We all probably would have explained it away as playful banter at a rally based on historical and present context.
disagree....way off here
yeah, cuz the left never overreacts over anything.
everything I've seen lately is the sky is constantly falling.it's getting tiring.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
the headlines I see when I google "trump treason" are laughable and fear mongering at its finest. "in dictator move...." is one of the funniest. But hey, I guess I'm a trump supporter now, right?
people keep asking the wrong questions when something like this happens. all I see is "how would the right have reacted if Obama/Hillary said this?". who gives a fuck? why not ask yourself this before you over react: "how would I have reacted if (the guy I liked) said this?". We all probably would have explained it away as playful banter at a rally based on historical and present context.
disagree....way off here
yeah, cuz the left never overreacts over anything.
everything I've seen lately is the sky is constantly falling.it's getting tiring.
I wouldn't say the left never overreacts but this is beyond any semblance of normal.
I would also say that a lot of what you here as "if Obama did this, the right would be..." is just plain shock. The way the right manipulates its base in this country is unreal. They have convinced people that have no business voting republican to be ready at a moments notice to grab their guns and go to war for the GOP.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018) The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
the headlines I see when I google "trump treason" are laughable and fear mongering at its finest. "in dictator move...." is one of the funniest. But hey, I guess I'm a trump supporter now, right?
reads like a Keith Olbermann diatribe, which to me are now more dramatic entertainmant than actual political commentary. it's not without its merit, obviously, but the hysteria, oh the hysteria.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
the headlines I see when I google "trump treason" are laughable and fear mongering at its finest. "in dictator move...." is one of the funniest. But hey, I guess I'm a trump supporter now, right?
reads like a Keith Olbermann diatribe, which to me are now more dramatic entertainmant than actual political commentary. it's not without its merit, obviously, but the hysteria, oh the hysteria.
Rick Wilson is a conservative
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018) The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
the headlines I see when I google "trump treason" are laughable and fear mongering at its finest. "in dictator move...." is one of the funniest. But hey, I guess I'm a trump supporter now, right?
reads like a Keith Olbermann diatribe, which to me are now more dramatic entertainmant than actual political commentary. it's not without its merit, obviously, but the hysteria, oh the hysteria.
Rick Wilson is a conservative
yeah, I know. I read the article.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
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The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
-EV 8/14/93
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"Just say no" worked great in the Reagan era. And a huge chunk of the opiods are coming in from China, which incidentally already has its own wall.
Lol
The bar is so low.
Because accusations of treason are always playful.
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93
what I'm referring to is what political bias looks like. some people just can't get passed it and see it for what it is.
-EV 8/14/93
Yes, I watched the video. The fact that he can "playfully" call people who disagree with him treasonous and some eat it up is astounding, and yes, you're giving him a pass. "Can we call it treason? Ehhhh, why not?" - there are a few really good reasons why not, that any sitting president, and in fact anyone with any sense should know. But I guess I'm just a contrarian.
-EV 8/14/93
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2018/02/06/daily-202-why-trump-flippantly-accusing-democrats-of-treason-is-not-a-laughing-matter/5a792a2130fb041c3c7d7657/?utm_term=.3bbb80519c3d
-EV 8/14/93
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
everything I've seen lately is the sky is constantly falling.it's getting tiring.
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93
It’s the left’s “snowflake” or other stupid response on repeat.
I would also say that a lot of what you here as "if Obama did this, the right would be..." is just plain shock. The way the right manipulates its base in this country is unreal. They have convinced people that have no business voting republican to be ready at a moments notice to grab their guns and go to war for the GOP.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
-EV 8/14/93
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93