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  • InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623

    "Benghazi." It's not that there was one Benghazi investigation. It's that there were four of them. All for the expedient political purpose of dragging Hillary through the mud as the 2016 election approached. I have yet to hear the democrat equivalent of Mitch McConnell state that the Dems number one priority is to see this president fail. Sorry, but I will mock the other side for their stupidity and ruination of a great nation. All so they could have the last word or be on top or rub it in the dems' face. Some people can't stand it when Libs rightly call out and mock the other side for their folly.

    But, but, but Benghazi! 0 scandals that resulted in any real significance by the previous administration by the way.

    http://m.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/11/1619079/-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-Arrests-and-Convictions-A-Warning-for-Trump-Appointees

    If Orange republican did Benghazzi there would be no outrage. Oh wait! That happened already! It's called Yemen!
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,876
    Looking to free up more land so we can dig and build until the world explodes from over population and lack of resources to support our egos and lifestyle.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/04/26/trump-executive-order-could-rescind-national-monuments/100914086/
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,337
    tbergs said:

    Looking to free up more land so we can dig and build until the world explodes from over population and lack of resources to support our egos and lifestyle.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/04/26/trump-executive-order-could-rescind-national-monuments/100914086/

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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    tbergs said:

    Looking to free up more land so we can dig and build until the world explodes from over population and lack of resources to support our egos and lifestyle.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/04/26/trump-executive-order-could-rescind-national-monuments/100914086/

    This made me really sad. Our National Park System is treasure.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,353
    CM189191 said:

    tbergs said:

    Looking to free up more land so we can dig and build until the world explodes from over population and lack of resources to support our egos and lifestyle.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/04/26/trump-executive-order-could-rescind-national-monuments/100914086/

    This made me really sad. Our National Park System is treasure.
    He said past designations have too often excluded the people most directly affected by the designations. "The local community, the loggers, the fishermen, those areas that are affected should have a say and a voice," Zinke said.

    they should have a voice, but not a say. that's gross conflict of interest. you don't give a say on a decision to those who would benefit from said decision. but that's Orange for you. "let's gut the earth of all its resources all in the name of economics!!!".

    yeah, that's fucking sustainable.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,369
    Drops by? Drops by? Its being held at the White House EOB for crying out loud. What's he doing? Bringing the beer and pretzels?

    • 3:00PM: President Trump drops by a briefing the White House is hosting for Senators regarding North Korea
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,989

    Drops by? Drops by? Its being held at the White House EOB for crying out loud. What's he doing? Bringing the beer and pretzels?

    • 3:00PM: President Trump drops by a briefing the White House is hosting for Senators regarding North Korea

    Yeah, you'd think that would be a 3 hour long meeting at least, and not a briefing. A deep, involved discussion.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,353
    it's a game of rock paper scissors and the winner chooses "nuke NK or don't nuke NK". problem is, everyone in the room thinks that nothing beats rock, so the meeting goes for hours until they adjourn to watch fox news and drink expensive canadian whiskey.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJ_Soul said:

    Drops by? Drops by? Its being held at the White House EOB for crying out loud. What's he doing? Bringing the beer and pretzels?

    • 3:00PM: President Trump drops by a briefing the White House is hosting for Senators regarding North Korea

    Yeah, you'd think that would be a 3 hour long meeting at least, and not a briefing. A deep, involved discussion.
    Trump has neither the capabilities to be deep, nor the desire to be involved.

    Have you seen his tax plan?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,369
    edited April 2017
    The man who proposed a tax policy wont release his tax returns, leaving us to fathom what policies may benefit him. What a crook. So much for draining the swamp.

    Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Wednesday said that President Trump has "no intention" of releasing his tax returns.

    When asked during a press conference if Trump will release his tax returns, Mnuchin replied that Trump already released "plenty of information" about his taxes.

    "The president has no intention - the president has released plenty of information and I think has given more financial disclosure than anybody else," Mnuchin said. "I think the American population has plenty of information."

    Trump has long declined to release his tax returns, breaking decades-old precedent for presidential candidates.

    Trump has said that he can't release his taxes while they're under audit by the IRS. But the IRS has said that an audit doesn't prevent an individual from making his or her tax returns public.

    Democratic lawmakers have repeatedly tried to obtain Trump's taxes through various methods in the House but have seen their efforts blocked by Republicans.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mnuchin-trump-has-no-intention-to-release-tax-returns/ar-BBApgmN?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

    More than Hillary Clinton? Who released 20 years of tax returns? Really? Dems should vote no until he releases his returns.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,147
    At first glance, I'm in favor of the tax cut proposal.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Jason P said:

    At first glance, I'm in favor of the tax cut proposal.

    Repealing the estate tax (or "death tax" as they call it), which applies only to the top 0.2% of estates (and exempts the first $5.49 million ($10.98 million per married couple) of an estate's assets from taxation)

    Repealing the 3.8% "Obamacare tax," which applies only to investment income (not wages or other earned income), and only to that portion of investment income in excess of $200,000 per year for individual filers or $250,000 for joint filers

    Repealing the AMT, the vast majority of which applies only to high-income taxpayers
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,876
    Jason P said:

    At first glance, I'm in favor of the tax cut proposal.

    Looks decent on that single piece of paper when there's no real life application to consider what it really means. The 15% business tax proposal is the most glaring problem though and will not likely be able to stay that low considering what it would do to the federal deficit.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    tbergs said:

    Jason P said:

    At first glance, I'm in favor of the tax cut proposal.

    Looks decent on that single piece of paper when there's no real life application to consider what it really means. The 15% business tax proposal is the most glaring problem though and will not likely be able to stay that low considering what it would do to the federal deficit.
    I'm sure it'll blow up the deficit, but I haven't seen any estimates yet. The typical American already has a relatively low tax burden. It's another con job from trump.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,369

    tbergs said:

    Jason P said:

    At first glance, I'm in favor of the tax cut proposal.

    Looks decent on that single piece of paper when there's no real life application to consider what it really means. The 15% business tax proposal is the most glaring problem though and will not likely be able to stay that low considering what it would do to the federal deficit.
    I'm sure it'll blow up the deficit, but I haven't seen any estimates yet. The typical American already has a relatively low tax burden. It's another con job from trump.
    $6B. A pittance when you're trying to save your republican congress and get a "win."

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/25/politics/donald-trump-tax-plan-senate-rules/

    Or $2T-$2.5T over ten years.

    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2017/04/25/

    Where are all those fiscal conservatives from the past 8 years now? Oh yea, its their MO, talk balanced budgets and reducing the deficit, get into office and explode them both when your party is in power. Thanks Donny.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,147
    doubles the standard deduction for the 99 percenters. that is a pretty huge impact for us (tax payers)
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    Jason P said:

    doubles the standard deduction for the 99 percenters. that is a pretty huge impact for us (tax payers)

    So more "free stuff" I was hearing about during the election.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,147
    edited April 2017

    Jason P said:

    doubles the standard deduction for the 99 percenters. that is a pretty huge impact for us (tax payers)

    So more "free stuff" I was hearing about during the election.
    Free stuff??? That is my money that I earned. Getting up 6 AM and going to work earning my salary. I don't recall having contract negotiations with the US government to get their shill so they can pay for more cruise missiles to bomb a parking lot. Who makes more responsible decisions? Me or the government? You know the answer.

    I'm not sitting on my couch eating Capt'n Crunch in my underpants waiting for Trump to just send me a check.

    Free stuff ...
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    doubles the standard deduction for the 99 percenters. that is a pretty huge impact for us (tax payers)

    So more "free stuff" I was hearing about during the election.
    Free stuff??? That is my money that I earned. Getting up 6 AM and going to work earning my salary. I don't recall having contract negotiations with the US government to get their shill so they can pay for more cruise missiles to bomb a parking lot. Who makes more responsible decisions? Me or the government? You know the answer.

    I'm not sitting on my couch eating Capt'n Crunch in my underpants waiting for Trump to just send me a check.

    Free stuff ...
    Combine our deficit spending (meaning we're not paying for what we're buying) and the fact that many more people pay a much larger amount in taxes than any of us pay (that us free loading) is basically the same as free stuff.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,147

    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    doubles the standard deduction for the 99 percenters. that is a pretty huge impact for us (tax payers)

    So more "free stuff" I was hearing about during the election.
    Free stuff??? That is my money that I earned. Getting up 6 AM and going to work earning my salary. I don't recall having contract negotiations with the US government to get their shill so they can pay for more cruise missiles to bomb a parking lot. Who makes more responsible decisions? Me or the government? You know the answer.

    I'm not sitting on my couch eating Capt'n Crunch in my underpants waiting for Trump to just send me a check.

    Free stuff ...
    Combine our deficit spending (meaning we're not paying for what we're buying) and the fact that many more people pay a much larger amount in taxes than any of us pay (that us free loading) is basically the same as free stuff.
    What decade of deficit spending are we on? If someone is contributing to the tax system can have a few extra benjamins, that makes a huge difference when a water heater goes to crap and they can pay for it with money they earned.

    My stance is that an individual who earns their money will spend it more responsible then someone that takes it from them. I'm not all full libertarian, but if you are living on a fixed budget, doubling the deduction is a huge deal.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    doubles the standard deduction for the 99 percenters. that is a pretty huge impact for us (tax payers)

    So more "free stuff" I was hearing about during the election.
    Free stuff??? That is my money that I earned. Getting up 6 AM and going to work earning my salary. I don't recall having contract negotiations with the US government to get their shill so they can pay for more cruise missiles to bomb a parking lot. Who makes more responsible decisions? Me or the government? You know the answer.

    I'm not sitting on my couch eating Capt'n Crunch in my underpants waiting for Trump to just send me a check.

    Free stuff ...
    The contract negotiations took place on November 8th
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    doubles the standard deduction for the 99 percenters. that is a pretty huge impact for us (tax payers)

    So more "free stuff" I was hearing about during the election.
    Free stuff??? That is my money that I earned. Getting up 6 AM and going to work earning my salary. I don't recall having contract negotiations with the US government to get their shill so they can pay for more cruise missiles to bomb a parking lot. Who makes more responsible decisions? Me or the government? You know the answer.

    I'm not sitting on my couch eating Capt'n Crunch in my underpants waiting for Trump to just send me a check.

    Free stuff ...
    Combine our deficit spending (meaning we're not paying for what we're buying) and the fact that many more people pay a much larger amount in taxes than any of us pay (that us free loading) is basically the same as free stuff.
    What decade of deficit spending are we on? If someone is contributing to the tax system can have a few extra benjamins, that makes a huge difference when a water heater goes to crap and they can pay for it with money they earned.

    My stance is that an individual who earns their money will spend it more responsible then someone that takes it from them. I'm not all full libertarian, but if you are living on a fixed budget, doubling the deduction is a huge deal.
    It would be a big deal. My post was more of a commentary about the use of the term free stuff in relation to single payer health insurance and college tuition. Why not call everything funded by taxes free stuff? And even more so when all these people want to have all these taxpayer funded things, but at the same time pay less in taxes.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,369
    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    doubles the standard deduction for the 99 percenters. that is a pretty huge impact for us (tax payers)

    So more "free stuff" I was hearing about during the election.
    Free stuff??? That is my money that I earned. Getting up 6 AM and going to work earning my salary. I don't recall having contract negotiations with the US government to get their shill so they can pay for more cruise missiles to bomb a parking lot. Who makes more responsible decisions? Me or the government? You know the answer.

    I'm not sitting on my couch eating Capt'n Crunch in my underpants waiting for Trump to just send me a check.

    Free stuff ...
    Combine our deficit spending (meaning we're not paying for what we're buying) and the fact that many more people pay a much larger amount in taxes than any of us pay (that us free loading) is basically the same as free stuff.
    What decade of deficit spending are we on? If someone is contributing to the tax system can have a few extra benjamins, that makes a huge difference when a water heater goes to crap and they can pay for it with money they earned.

    My stance is that an individual who earns their money will spend it more responsible then someone that takes it from them. I'm not all full libertarian, but if you are living on a fixed budget, doubling the deduction is a huge deal.
    Let me know how we're doing when the roads, bridges and other infrastructure that support you getting to work and goods to market are in a shambles so corporations and the 1% can get a 20% tax reduction. How much is enough for the select few? And you know they're not going to cut military spending so what's left? Education, healthcare, science, infrastructure, FDA, EPA, etc. Here's an idea, cut taxes on those earning between $50-$100K by 20% and raise taxes on the 1% by 5%. They wouldn't miss a beat.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    edited April 2017
    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    doubles the standard deduction for the 99 percenters. that is a pretty huge impact for us (tax payers)

    So more "free stuff" I was hearing about during the election.
    Free stuff??? That is my money that I earned. Getting up 6 AM and going to work earning my salary. I don't recall having contract negotiations with the US government to get their shill so they can pay for more cruise missiles to bomb a parking lot. Who makes more responsible decisions? Me or the government? You know the answer.

    I'm not sitting on my couch eating Capt'n Crunch in my underpants waiting for Trump to just send me a check.

    Free stuff ...
    "Look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

    If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

    The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

    So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and ... I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together."
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,147

    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    doubles the standard deduction for the 99 percenters. that is a pretty huge impact for us (tax payers)

    So more "free stuff" I was hearing about during the election.
    Free stuff??? That is my money that I earned. Getting up 6 AM and going to work earning my salary. I don't recall having contract negotiations with the US government to get their shill so they can pay for more cruise missiles to bomb a parking lot. Who makes more responsible decisions? Me or the government? You know the answer.

    I'm not sitting on my couch eating Capt'n Crunch in my underpants waiting for Trump to just send me a check.

    Free stuff ...
    Combine our deficit spending (meaning we're not paying for what we're buying) and the fact that many more people pay a much larger amount in taxes than any of us pay (that us free loading) is basically the same as free stuff.
    What decade of deficit spending are we on? If someone is contributing to the tax system can have a few extra benjamins, that makes a huge difference when a water heater goes to crap and they can pay for it with money they earned.

    My stance is that an individual who earns their money will spend it more responsible then someone that takes it from them. I'm not all full libertarian, but if you are living on a fixed budget, doubling the deduction is a huge deal.
    It would be a big deal. My post was more of a commentary about the use of the term free stuff in relation to single payer health insurance and college tuition. Why not call everything funded by taxes free stuff? And even more so when all these people want to have all these taxpayer funded things, but at the same time pay less in taxes.
    Here is why you can't call it free stuff. If Trump's plan raised taxes to 50%, would I be giving the government more free stuff? Free for The Don, that's for sure. That is what that is ...

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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,147
    edited April 2017

    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    doubles the standard deduction for the 99 percenters. that is a pretty huge impact for us (tax payers)

    So more "free stuff" I was hearing about during the election.
    Free stuff??? That is my money that I earned. Getting up 6 AM and going to work earning my salary. I don't recall having contract negotiations with the US government to get their shill so they can pay for more cruise missiles to bomb a parking lot. Who makes more responsible decisions? Me or the government? You know the answer.

    I'm not sitting on my couch eating Capt'n Crunch in my underpants waiting for Trump to just send me a check.

    Free stuff ...
    Combine our deficit spending (meaning we're not paying for what we're buying) and the fact that many more people pay a much larger amount in taxes than any of us pay (that us free loading) is basically the same as free stuff.
    What decade of deficit spending are we on? If someone is contributing to the tax system can have a few extra benjamins, that makes a huge difference when a water heater goes to crap and they can pay for it with money they earned.

    My stance is that an individual who earns their money will spend it more responsible then someone that takes it from them. I'm not all full libertarian, but if you are living on a fixed budget, doubling the deduction is a huge deal.
    Let me know how we're doing when the roads, bridges and other infrastructure that support you getting to work and goods to market are in a shambles so corporations and the 1% can get a 20% tax reduction. How much is enough for the select few? And you know they're not going to cut military spending so what's left? Education, healthcare, science, infrastructure, FDA, EPA, etc. Here's an idea, cut taxes on those earning between $50-$100K by 20% and raise taxes on the 1% by 5%. They wouldn't miss a beat.
    So now you are looking at the dead middle class?

    Your looking at expenses instead of demanding accountability on spending. Remember when the Lotto was gonna pay for they schools? Lot of poor people I see standing in line when the Powerball number are huge. It's not working out and it is the stupidest form of gambling that the government allows.

    Anyway, donate $1000 of your pre-taxed income to the government (write it out to "Trump Enterprises"), post the invoice, and I will give you a tip to the cap in your beliefs.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,845
    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    doubles the standard deduction for the 99 percenters. that is a pretty huge impact for us (tax payers)

    So more "free stuff" I was hearing about during the election.
    Free stuff??? That is my money that I earned. Getting up 6 AM and going to work earning my salary. I don't recall having contract negotiations with the US government to get their shill so they can pay for more cruise missiles to bomb a parking lot. Who makes more responsible decisions? Me or the government? You know the answer.

    I'm not sitting on my couch eating Capt'n Crunch in my underpants waiting for Trump to just send me a check.

    Free stuff ...
    Combine our deficit spending (meaning we're not paying for what we're buying) and the fact that many more people pay a much larger amount in taxes than any of us pay (that us free loading) is basically the same as free stuff.
    What decade of deficit spending are we on? If someone is contributing to the tax system can have a few extra benjamins, that makes a huge difference when a water heater goes to crap and they can pay for it with money they earned.

    My stance is that an individual who earns their money will spend it more responsible then someone that takes it from them. I'm not all full libertarian, but if you are living on a fixed budget, doubling the deduction is a huge deal.
    Let me know how we're doing when the roads, bridges and other infrastructure that support you getting to work and goods to market are in a shambles so corporations and the 1% can get a 20% tax reduction. How much is enough for the select few? And you know they're not going to cut military spending so what's left? Education, healthcare, science, infrastructure, FDA, EPA, etc. Here's an idea, cut taxes on those earning between $50-$100K by 20% and raise taxes on the 1% by 5%. They wouldn't miss a beat.
    So now you are looking at the dead middle class?

    Your looking at expenses instead of demanding accountability on spending. Remember when the Lotto was gonna pay for they schools? Lot of poor people I see standing in line when the Powerball number are huge. It's not working out and it is the stupidest form of gambling that the government allows.

    Anyway, donate $1000 of your pre-taxed income to the government (write it out to "Trump Enterprises"), post the invoice, and I will give you a tip to the cap in your beliefs.
    Halifax is suggesting a cut in middle class taxes and an increase in taxes on the 1%, so I'm not seeing the connection with your comments.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    doubles the standard deduction for the 99 percenters. that is a pretty huge impact for us (tax payers)

    So more "free stuff" I was hearing about during the election.
    Free stuff??? That is my money that I earned. Getting up 6 AM and going to work earning my salary. I don't recall having contract negotiations with the US government to get their shill so they can pay for more cruise missiles to bomb a parking lot. Who makes more responsible decisions? Me or the government? You know the answer.

    I'm not sitting on my couch eating Capt'n Crunch in my underpants waiting for Trump to just send me a check.

    Free stuff ...
    Combine our deficit spending (meaning we're not paying for what we're buying) and the fact that many more people pay a much larger amount in taxes than any of us pay (that us free loading) is basically the same as free stuff.
    What decade of deficit spending are we on? If someone is contributing to the tax system can have a few extra benjamins, that makes a huge difference when a water heater goes to crap and they can pay for it with money they earned.

    My stance is that an individual who earns their money will spend it more responsible then someone that takes it from them. I'm not all full libertarian, but if you are living on a fixed budget, doubling the deduction is a huge deal.
    Let me know how we're doing when the roads, bridges and other infrastructure that support you getting to work and goods to market are in a shambles so corporations and the 1% can get a 20% tax reduction. How much is enough for the select few? And you know they're not going to cut military spending so what's left? Education, healthcare, science, infrastructure, FDA, EPA, etc. Here's an idea, cut taxes on those earning between $50-$100K by 20% and raise taxes on the 1% by 5%. They wouldn't miss a beat.
    So now you are looking at the dead middle class?

    Your looking at expenses instead of demanding accountability on spending. Remember when the Lotto was gonna pay for they schools? Lot of poor people I see standing in line when the Powerball number are huge. It's not working out and it is the stupidest form of gambling that the government allows.

    Anyway, donate $1000 of your pre-taxed income to the government (write it out to "Trump Enterprises"), post the invoice, and I will give you a tip to the cap in your beliefs.
    You're looking at so called accountability rather than spending. Spending needs to be cut and/or taxes raised. Accountability claims do nothing.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,369
    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    doubles the standard deduction for the 99 percenters. that is a pretty huge impact for us (tax payers)

    So more "free stuff" I was hearing about during the election.
    Free stuff??? That is my money that I earned. Getting up 6 AM and going to work earning my salary. I don't recall having contract negotiations with the US government to get their shill so they can pay for more cruise missiles to bomb a parking lot. Who makes more responsible decisions? Me or the government? You know the answer.

    I'm not sitting on my couch eating Capt'n Crunch in my underpants waiting for Trump to just send me a check.

    Free stuff ...
    Combine our deficit spending (meaning we're not paying for what we're buying) and the fact that many more people pay a much larger amount in taxes than any of us pay (that us free loading) is basically the same as free stuff.
    What decade of deficit spending are we on? If someone is contributing to the tax system can have a few extra benjamins, that makes a huge difference when a water heater goes to crap and they can pay for it with money they earned.

    My stance is that an individual who earns their money will spend it more responsible then someone that takes it from them. I'm not all full libertarian, but if you are living on a fixed budget, doubling the deduction is a huge deal.
    Let me know how we're doing when the roads, bridges and other infrastructure that support you getting to work and goods to market are in a shambles so corporations and the 1% can get a 20% tax reduction. How much is enough for the select few? And you know they're not going to cut military spending so what's left? Education, healthcare, science, infrastructure, FDA, EPA, etc. Here's an idea, cut taxes on those earning between $50-$100K by 20% and raise taxes on the 1% by 5%. They wouldn't miss a beat.
    So now you are looking at the dead middle class?

    Your looking at expenses instead of demanding accountability on spending. Remember when the Lotto was gonna pay for they schools? Lot of poor people I see standing in line when the Powerball number are huge. It's not working out and it is the stupidest form of gambling that the government allows.

    Anyway, donate $1000 of your pre-taxed income to the government (write it out to "Trump Enterprises"), post the invoice, and I will give you a tip to the cap in your beliefs.
    Why is the middle class dead? And why would I send Trump a check for $1K? He surely doesn't need it and could afford to pay more. Or can he? His tax returns would shed some light on how his tax plan would benefit him and his ilk. Or maybe he's floating on Russian loans?
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