Donald Trump

PJfanwillneverleave1

ledvedderman said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

ledvedderman said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

ledvedderman said:

I miss the good old days of last week when we were all going to die in a nuclear war, not a second civil war. 

And President Trump would have been the cause of both right?

Denying he had even a slightest influence in both would be a more gross understatement. But war is like sex, it takes two to tango. He wouldn't get all the blame for either, but he gets some. 

Not really.  If it is good sex it's the womans fault. If it's bad it's the mans.  

Having some issues in the bedroom with Mrs. PJFan, are we? Because I don't believe we are talking of the same thing. 

You cant even laugh at that?

Halifax2TheMax

ledvedderman said:

That's literally the same angle the President is taking. The "yeah...but the other side" angle. These aren't slabs of concrete to some people. I'm not offended by them, I'm embarrassed by them. But I certainly understand why someone would be offended. It's not up to you or me to say what's appropriate to be hurt over. The difference is that I understand that and you think they're being hypersensitive. You don't get to make that call as someone not hurt and offended over it. 

So some 20 year old kid from Ohio, with Nazi sympathies and a history of domestic violence incidents, travels to Virginia "to be offended," is justified in running someone over because he was "hurt?" The kid probably doesn't even have any family history related to the civil war. Whereas there are African Americans with relatives as slaves and those who were lynched a mere 50 years ago in their family history living in Charlottesville. Robert Byrd ring a bell? The inability for some not to see why the Dixie flag and confederate statues are offensive to those who have suffered under the symbolism of same is astounding.

ledvedderman

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

ledvedderman said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

ledvedderman said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

ledvedderman said:

I miss the good old days of last week when we were all going to die in a nuclear war, not a second civil war. 

And President Trump would have been the cause of both right?

Denying he had even a slightest influence in both would be a more gross understatement. But war is like sex, it takes two to tango. He wouldn't get all the blame for either, but he gets some. 

Not really.  If it is good sex it's the womans fault. If it's bad it's the mans.  

Having some issues in the bedroom with Mrs. PJFan, are we? Because I don't believe we are talking of the same thing. 

You cant even laugh at that?

Oh I laughed alright. My comment was in jest. Not a serious one. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I think it is safe to say there has never been a president that has managed to divide their country as quickly or efficiently as Donald has... correct?

I mean, looking at the modern era when social media platforms have allowed for voices to be heard: Bush was a fool, but for the most part his opponents stomached him without resorting to desperate measures... no?

And Obama was a black man that infuriated people that don't like black people... but he did enough good things and presented himself in such a manner that the people who didn't like black people tolerated him (as much as they likely wanted him to fail).

Trump is simply something that cannot be stomached. He is repulsive in character and in policy. He is the embodiment for the term 'mistake'. 

Move on, America. Control-alt-delete. Kick the bum out of office. And kick the shit out of public nazi displays (your grandfathers buried in Europe when they were young men would expect no less).

PJfanwillneverleave1

ledvedderman said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

ledvedderman said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

ledvedderman said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

ledvedderman said:

I miss the good old days of last week when we were all going to die in a nuclear war, not a second civil war. 

And President Trump would have been the cause of both right?

Denying he had even a slightest influence in both would be a more gross understatement. But war is like sex, it takes two to tango. He wouldn't get all the blame for either, but he gets some. 

Not really.  If it is good sex it's the womans fault. If it's bad it's the mans.  

Having some issues in the bedroom with Mrs. PJFan, are we? Because I don't believe we are talking of the same thing. 

You cant even laugh at that?

Oh I laughed alright. My comment was in jest. Not a serious one. 

Good.  Because I swear I will produce more PJfanwillneverleave ones than you can ever possibly comprehend.  It will be huge. 

JC29856

ledvedderman said:

JC29856 said:

mitt just moved to the left of Hilliary
perhaps a run on the D ticket?

https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/897612532386607104

SAYING THAT ISN'T A LEFT OR RIGHT ISSUE! IT IS A HUMANKIND POSITION THAT NAZIS HAVE NO PLACE IN OUR COUNTRY, OUR CULTURE, OR THE WORLD. 

Your left vs right view of the world is responsible for so much of our problems. 

 left vs right! 
how many Nazis are in our country? 10,000 20,000, 30,000, 40,000
you'll be much better off as soon as you stop imagining a powerless man in Russia and a fringe group of extremists are ruining our country.

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I think it is safe to say there has never been a president that has managed to divide their country as quickly or efficiently as Donald has... correct?

I mean, looking at the modern era when social media platforms have allowed for voices to be heard: Bush was a fool, but for the most part his opponents stomached him without resorting to desperate measures... no?

And Obama was a black man that infuriated people that don't like black people... but he did enough good things and presented himself in such a manner that the people who didn't like black people tolerated him (as much as they likely wanted him to fail).

Trump is simply something that cannot be stomached. He is repulsive in character and in policy. He is the embodiment for the term 'mistake'. 

Move on, America. Control-alt-delete. Kick the bum out of office. And kick the shit out of public nazi displays (your grandfathers buried in Europe when they were young men would expect no less).

hey we are allowed to screw up once every 45 elections! lol

dankind

Never wrestle a pig. You get dirty, and the pig likes it.

MayDay10

Denouncing a nazi murderer/terrorist should be teeball for any morally grounded human.  

Trying to be fair about it and blaming victims is shocking

Halifax2TheMax

Strange Fruit

 

There are things I don’t need to remember… and things I must never forget. The latter took me down many flights of back stairs to the servants’ quarters – to sit outside a door with no number… to listen with my heart … and be reminded. 

Her name is Emma Masterson, a gray-haired woman of color who rarely speaks. But every night her door cracks open … the frail hand places the needle on vinyl … and the deserted hallway fills with Billie Holiday’s lithe voice. Rising above scratches and the crackle of time, she sings a song called Strange Fruit – slow, plaintive and brutally honest ...

Southern Trees bear a strange fruit

blood on the leaves, blood on the root.

I’ve heard the song a hundred times. I still wince … still feel the knot in my stomach … the shame of a nation ... as the song continues.

Black bodies swaying in the southern breeze

Strange fruit hanging from poplar trees.

I’m haunted by the lament in her voice … by the history behind it. Floating like smoke, it seeps through the doorjamb, rises to the ceiling. It spreads throughout the Hotel, then out across cities and farms … knocking on closed doors, pressing against drawn blinds … hammering on walls wherever human decency can be found.

Billie Holiday, and Nina Simone and Bessie Smith, joined by countless others, will sing about it, fight against it  – now and forever … until nothing but leaves and flowers grace the branches … and the strange fruit of our ancestors is never seen again.*

ledvedderman

You literally said that denouncing Nazis emphatically like Gov. Romney did put him left of the Dems ticket. 
Why is denouncing Nazis a left or right issue to you? I honestly don't know how anyone can see it as anything but good people (anyone who isn't a Nazi) against bad people (Nazis). It's that simple. The fact that I felt obligated to clarify who is good or bad is disgusting. 

JC29856

ledvedderman said:

You literally said that denouncing Nazis emphatically like Gov. Romney did put him left of the Dems ticket. 
Why is denouncing Nazis a left or right issue to you? I honestly don't know how anyone can see it as anything but good people (anyone who isn't a Nazi) against bad people (Nazis). It's that simple. The fact that I felt obligated to clarify who is good or bad is disgusting. 

I said left of Hilliary. Compare their statements. Weak at best with a childish dig. 

Go Beavers

mcgruff10 said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

I personally think all statues should remain..for better or worse it's American history..I can't comprehend people that want to impose their own beliefs to attempt to erase the past...or the need for violence on either side..

The statue was put put up to impose racist beliefs on others. So factor that in. I said earlier to move it to the American museum of Genocide.  

I've walked past that statue..didn't get the urge to hate minorities.

Which is good. I was referring to the historical significance and what it means to some currently. To me it's a nod to slavery, segregation and racism in a public park. 

If I were African-American, I may view it differently..but I guess what I am trying to say is everybody has to put up with crap you don't agree with..it's life.

I m not sure where you have visited but have you seen any German statues in France?
arvn statues in Vietnam?
moorish statues in Spain?
german statues in Russia? 

This could be the only time in history where the losing side can erect statues and fly their battle flag in the same country they lost.  I am quite the historian, no is saying to erase history but put them in a museum where they belong, not a public place for all to see. 

Not only that, but they were traitors that people think should be admired. 

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

I personally think all statues should remain..for better or worse it's American history..I can't comprehend people that want to impose their own beliefs to attempt to erase the past...or the need for violence on either side..

The statue was put put up to impose racist beliefs on others. So factor that in. I said earlier to move it to the American museum of Genocide.  

I've walked past that statue..didn't get the urge to hate minorities.

Which is good. I was referring to the historical significance and what it means to some currently. To me it's a nod to slavery, segregation and racism in a public park. 

If I were African-American, I may view it differently..but I guess what I am trying to say is everybody has to put up with crap you don't agree with..it's life.

Said the white guy. 

  The white guy that has seen his share of things I don't agree with.I feel very lucky to have been born a WMA...that's as far as my "privilege" goes.I'm not losing sleep over slabs of concrete and bronze. Far more to worry about.
 

CM189191 said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

I personally think all statues should remain..for better or worse it's American history..I can't comprehend people that want to impose their own beliefs to attempt to erase the past...or the need for violence on either side..

The statue was put put up to impose racist beliefs on others. So factor that in. I said earlier to move it to the American museum of Genocide.  

I've walked past that statue..didn't get the urge to hate minorities.

Which is good. I was referring to the historical significance and what it means to some currently. To me it's a nod to slavery, segregation and racism in a public park. 

If I were African-American, I may view it differently..but I guess what I am trying to say is everybody has to put up with crap you don't agree with..it's life.

Seriously, why can't black people just learn to deal with the structural, symbolic, and historical racism in the USA? It's life....

   Yeah..and we all know there aren't any racist black people..just old whiteys.

So you're trying to downplay white privilege, and then go on to equate white's experience with racism to black peoples experience?

ledvedderman

Who cares how anyone says it? Left or right of whom. The only thing that matters is saying the Nazis there are to blame for this. It's not both sides. This should literally be the easiest softball situation in his presidency- coming down hard on Nazis. Somehow, he can't bring himself to do that. It's not up to me to say why he isn't. I don't know his heart. But I'll tell you how it's playing out...not good. It's humiliating. My president refuses to come down hard on Nazis. My head might fucking explode. 

wndowpayne

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

I personally think all statues should remain..for better or worse it's American history..I can't comprehend people that want to impose their own beliefs to attempt to erase the past...or the need for violence on either side..

The statue was put put up to impose racist beliefs on others. So factor that in. I said earlier to move it to the American museum of Genocide.  

I've walked past that statue..didn't get the urge to hate minorities.

Which is good. I was referring to the historical significance and what it means to some currently. To me it's a nod to slavery, segregation and racism in a public park. 

If I were African-American, I may view it differently..but I guess what I am trying to say is everybody has to put up with crap you don't agree with..it's life.

I m not sure where you have visited but have you seen any German statues in France?
arvn statues in Vietnam?
moorish statues in Spain?
german statues in Russia? 

This could be the only time in history where the losing side can erect statues and fly their battle flag in the same country they lost.  I am quite the historian, no is saying to erase history but put them in a museum where they belong, not a public place for all to see. 

Not only that, but they were traitors that people think should be admired. 

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

I personally think all statues should remain..for better or worse it's American history..I can't comprehend people that want to impose their own beliefs to attempt to erase the past...or the need for violence on either side..

The statue was put put up to impose racist beliefs on others. So factor that in. I said earlier to move it to the American museum of Genocide.  

I've walked past that statue..didn't get the urge to hate minorities.

Which is good. I was referring to the historical significance and what it means to some currently. To me it's a nod to slavery, segregation and racism in a public park. 

If I were African-American, I may view it differently..but I guess what I am trying to say is everybody has to put up with crap you don't agree with..it's life.

Said the white guy. 

  The white guy that has seen his share of things I don't agree with.I feel very lucky to have been born a WMA...that's as far as my "privilege" goes.I'm not losing sleep over slabs of concrete and bronze. Far more to worry about.
 

CM189191 said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

I personally think all statues should remain..for better or worse it's American history..I can't comprehend people that want to impose their own beliefs to attempt to erase the past...or the need for violence on either side..

The statue was put put up to impose racist beliefs on others. So factor that in. I said earlier to move it to the American museum of Genocide.  

I've walked past that statue..didn't get the urge to hate minorities.

Which is good. I was referring to the historical significance and what it means to some currently. To me it's a nod to slavery, segregation and racism in a public park. 

If I were African-American, I may view it differently..but I guess what I am trying to say is everybody has to put up with crap you don't agree with..it's life.

Seriously, why can't black people just learn to deal with the structural, symbolic, and historical racism in the USA? It's life....

   Yeah..and we all know there aren't any racist black people..just old whiteys.

So you're trying to downplay white privilege, and then go on to equate white's experience with racism to black peoples experience?

   Not comparing them at all..there is no comparison..simply stated that there are black people that are racist.

Go Beavers

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

I personally think all statues should remain..for better or worse it's American history..I can't comprehend people that want to impose their own beliefs to attempt to erase the past...or the need for violence on either side..

The statue was put put up to impose racist beliefs on others. So factor that in. I said earlier to move it to the American museum of Genocide.  

I've walked past that statue..didn't get the urge to hate minorities.

Which is good. I was referring to the historical significance and what it means to some currently. To me it's a nod to slavery, segregation and racism in a public park. 

If I were African-American, I may view it differently..but I guess what I am trying to say is everybody has to put up with crap you don't agree with..it's life.

I m not sure where you have visited but have you seen any German statues in France?
arvn statues in Vietnam?
moorish statues in Spain?
german statues in Russia? 

This could be the only time in history where the losing side can erect statues and fly their battle flag in the same country they lost.  I am quite the historian, no is saying to erase history but put them in a museum where they belong, not a public place for all to see. 

Not only that, but they were traitors that people think should be admired. 

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

I personally think all statues should remain..for better or worse it's American history..I can't comprehend people that want to impose their own beliefs to attempt to erase the past...or the need for violence on either side..

The statue was put put up to impose racist beliefs on others. So factor that in. I said earlier to move it to the American museum of Genocide.  

I've walked past that statue..didn't get the urge to hate minorities.

Which is good. I was referring to the historical significance and what it means to some currently. To me it's a nod to slavery, segregation and racism in a public park. 

If I were African-American, I may view it differently..but I guess what I am trying to say is everybody has to put up with crap you don't agree with..it's life.

Said the white guy. 

  The white guy that has seen his share of things I don't agree with.I feel very lucky to have been born a WMA...that's as far as my "privilege" goes.I'm not losing sleep over slabs of concrete and bronze. Far more to worry about.
 

CM189191 said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

I personally think all statues should remain..for better or worse it's American history..I can't comprehend people that want to impose their own beliefs to attempt to erase the past...or the need for violence on either side..

The statue was put put up to impose racist beliefs on others. So factor that in. I said earlier to move it to the American museum of Genocide.  

I've walked past that statue..didn't get the urge to hate minorities.

Which is good. I was referring to the historical significance and what it means to some currently. To me it's a nod to slavery, segregation and racism in a public park. 

If I were African-American, I may view it differently..but I guess what I am trying to say is everybody has to put up with crap you don't agree with..it's life.

Seriously, why can't black people just learn to deal with the structural, symbolic, and historical racism in the USA? It's life....

   Yeah..and we all know there aren't any racist black people..just old whiteys.

So you're trying to downplay white privilege, and then go on to equate white's experience with racism to black peoples experience?

   Not comparing them at all..there is no comparison..simply stated that there are black people that are racist.

How's it relevant to the discussion?

dignin

mcgruff10 said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

Go Beavers said:

wndowpayne said:

I personally think all statues should remain..for better or worse it's American history..I can't comprehend people that want to impose their own beliefs to attempt to erase the past...or the need for violence on either side..

The statue was put put up to impose racist beliefs on others. So factor that in. I said earlier to move it to the American museum of Genocide.  

I've walked past that statue..didn't get the urge to hate minorities.

Which is good. I was referring to the historical significance and what it means to some currently. To me it's a nod to slavery, segregation and racism in a public park. 

If I were African-American, I may view it differently..but I guess what I am trying to say is everybody has to put up with crap you don't agree with..it's life.

I m not sure where you have visited but have you seen any German statues in France?
arvn statues in Vietnam?
moorish statues in Spain?
german statues in Russia? 

This could be the only time in history where the losing side can erect statues and fly their battle flag in the same country they lost.  I am quite the historian, no one is saying
 to erase history but rather put each statue in a museum where they belong, not a public place for all to see. 

Nailed it.

Halifax2TheMax

What was that about toning down the rhetoric in the toxic discourse? Because words like "resist" somehow brought forth images of the holocaust and was offensive to conservatives?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/15/media/daily-caller-fox-news-video-car-crashing-liberal-protesters/index.html

Rupert Murdoch and his ilk supporting the alt-right terror Nazis and white supremacists. Will Trump condemn the encouragement to commit terrorists acts?

Smellyman

Halifax2TheMax said:

What was that about toning down the rhetoric in the toxic discourse? Because words like "resist" somehow brought forth images of the holocaust and was offensive to conservatives?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/15/media/daily-caller-fox-news-video-car-crashing-liberal-protesters/index.html

Rupert Murdoch and his ilk supporting the alt-right terror Nazis and white supremacists. Will Trump condemn the encouragement to commit terrorists acts?

Some on this forum supported the same.

JC29856

The media and cable tv are giving the Nazis just what they wanted: time attention a platform.
Ironically, they gave the same to Trump last year

When the clock strikes 12, Nazi Nazi Nazi is the new Russia Russia Russia.