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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,131
    Go Beavers said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Go Beavers said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Go Beavers said:
    wndowpayne said:
    I personally think all statues should remain..for better or worse it's American history..I can't comprehend people that want to impose their own beliefs to attempt to erase the past...or the need for violence on either side..
    The statue was put put up to impose racist beliefs on others. So factor that in. I said earlier to move it to the American museum of Genocide.  
    I've walked past that statue..didn't get the urge to hate minorities.
    Which is good. I was referring to the historical significance and what it means to some currently. To me it's a nod to slavery, segregation and racism in a public park. 
    If I were African-American, I may view it differently..but I guess what I am trying to say is everybody has to put up with crap you don't agree with..it's life.
    I m not sure where you have visited but have you seen any German statues in France?
    arvn statues in Vietnam?
    moorish statues in Spain?
    german statues in Russia? 

    This could be the only time in history where the losing side can erect statues and fly their battle flag in the same country they lost.  I am quite the historian, no is saying to erase history but put them in a museum where they belong, not a public place for all to see. 

    Not only that, but they were traitors that people think should be admired. 


    Agreed. They seceded!!!!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • wndowpayne
    wndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    Go Beavers said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Go Beavers said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Go Beavers said:
    wndowpayne said:
    I personally think all statues should remain..for better or worse it's American history..I can't comprehend people that want to impose their own beliefs to attempt to erase the past...or the need for violence on either side..
    The statue was put put up to impose racist beliefs on others. So factor that in. I said earlier to move it to the American museum of Genocide.  
    I've walked past that statue..didn't get the urge to hate minorities.
    Which is good. I was referring to the historical significance and what it means to some currently. To me it's a nod to slavery, segregation and racism in a public park. 
    If I were African-American, I may view it differently..but I guess what I am trying to say is everybody has to put up with crap you don't agree with..it's life.
    Said the white guy. 
      The white guy that has seen his share of things I don't agree with.I feel very lucky to have been born a WMA...that's as far as my "privilege" goes.I'm not losing sleep over slabs of concrete and bronze. Far more to worry about.
     
    CM189191 said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Go Beavers said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Go Beavers said:
    wndowpayne said:
    I personally think all statues should remain..for better or worse it's American history..I can't comprehend people that want to impose their own beliefs to attempt to erase the past...or the need for violence on either side..
    The statue was put put up to impose racist beliefs on others. So factor that in. I said earlier to move it to the American museum of Genocide.  
    I've walked past that statue..didn't get the urge to hate minorities.
    Which is good. I was referring to the historical significance and what it means to some currently. To me it's a nod to slavery, segregation and racism in a public park. 
    If I were African-American, I may view it differently..but I guess what I am trying to say is everybody has to put up with crap you don't agree with..it's life.
    Seriously, why can't black people just learn to deal with the structural, symbolic, and historical racism in the USA? It's life....
       Yeah..and we all know there aren't any racist black people..just old whiteys.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Is this the turning point for republicans or do we really have to wait for the inevitably bad Mueller findings next year? They have to know they cannot get anything accomplished with the current person occupying the white house. It's only going to continue to get worse.
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  • wndowpayne
    wndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    Trump needs to go..agreed..this is getting bad.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    That's literally the same angle the President is taking. The "yeah...but the other side" angle. These aren't slabs of concrete to some people. I'm not offended by them, I'm embarrassed by them. But I certainly understand why someone would be offended. It's not up to you or me to say what's appropriate to be hurt over. The difference is that I understand that and you think they're being hypersensitive. You don't get to make that call as someone not hurt and offended over it. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Brilliant brilliance further brilliantly on display again today. What was that about Trump garnering support and picking up seats in congress, garnering a filibuster proof majority on his way to re-election in 2020? Brilliant, brilliance brilliantly leading the nation and world. I must be blinded by the brilliance?
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  • ledvedderman
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    I miss the good old days of last week when we were all going to die in a nuclear war, not a second civil war. 
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    CM189191 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    I actually think....
    Stopped reading there
    Lol
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited August 2017
    ledvedderman said:
    I miss the good old days of last week when we were all going to die in a nuclear war, not a second civil war. 

    And President Trump would have been the cause of both right?
  • The Juggler
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    wndowpayne said:
    Trump needs to go..agreed..this is getting bad.


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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    I actually think....
    Stopped reading there
    Lol

    That is funny I must admit.  What is even funnier is that when people only want to hear half of what someone says they produce graphs as fact.
  • wndowpayne
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    ledvedderman said:
    That's literally the same angle the President is taking. The "yeah...but the other side" angle. These aren't slabs of concrete to some people. I'm not offended by them, I'm embarrassed by them. But I certainly understand why someone would be offended. It's not up to you or me to say what's appropriate to be hurt over. The difference is that I understand that and you think they're being hypersensitive. You don't get to make that call as someone not hurt and offended over it. 
      Good point. I do think sensitivity is at a record high right now.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JimmyV said:
    62,984,824

    That's how many Americans voted for this fucking disgrace.
    you think more or less 2020?
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    wndowpayne said:
    ledvedderman said:
    That's literally the same angle the President is taking. The "yeah...but the other side" angle. These aren't slabs of concrete to some people. I'm not offended by them, I'm embarrassed by them. But I certainly understand why someone would be offended. It's not up to you or me to say what's appropriate to be hurt over. The difference is that I understand that and you think they're being hypersensitive. You don't get to make that call as someone not hurt and offended over it. 
      Good point. I do think sensitivity is at a record high right now.
    Right on. You're a good dude. Nothing wrong with hearty debate, folks. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,131
    Go Beavers said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Go Beavers said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Go Beavers said:
    wndowpayne said:
    I personally think all statues should remain..for better or worse it's American history..I can't comprehend people that want to impose their own beliefs to attempt to erase the past...or the need for violence on either side..
    The statue was put put up to impose racist beliefs on others. So factor that in. I said earlier to move it to the American museum of Genocide.  
    I've walked past that statue..didn't get the urge to hate minorities.
    Which is good. I was referring to the historical significance and what it means to some currently. To me it's a nod to slavery, segregation and racism in a public park. 
    If I were African-American, I may view it differently..but I guess what I am trying to say is everybody has to put up with crap you don't agree with..it's life.
    I m not sure where you have visited but have you seen any German statues in France?
    arvn statues in Vietnam?
    moorish statues in Spain?
    german statues in Russia? 

    This could be the only time in history where the losing side can erect statues and fly their battle flag in the same country they lost.  I am quite the historian, no is saying to erase history but put them in a museum where they belong, not a public place for all to see. 

    Not only that, but they were traitors that people think should be admired. 


    Agreed. They seceded!!!!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2017
    mitt just moved to the left of Hilliary
    perhaps a run on the D ticket?


  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ledvedderman said:
    I miss the good old days of last week when we were all going to die in a nuclear war, not a second civil war. 

    And President Trump would have been the cause of both right?
    Denying he had even a slightest influence in both would be a more gross understatement. But war is like sex, it takes two to tango. He wouldn't get all the blame for either, but he gets some. 
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
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    ledvedderman said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ledvedderman said:
    I miss the good old days of last week when we were all going to die in a nuclear war, not a second civil war. 

    And President Trump would have been the cause of both right?
    Denying he had even a slightest influence in both would be a more gross understatement. But war is like sex, it takes two to tango. He wouldn't get all the blame for either, but he gets some. 

    Not really.  If it is good sex it's the womans fault. If it's bad it's the mans.  
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    JC29856 said:
    mitt just moved to the left of Hilliary
    perhaps a run on the D ticket?


    SAYING THAT ISN'T A LEFT OR RIGHT ISSUE! IT IS A HUMANKIND POSITION THAT NAZIS HAVE NO PLACE IN OUR COUNTRY, OUR CULTURE, OR THE WORLD. 

    Your left vs right view of the world is responsible for so much of our problems. 
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ledvedderman said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ledvedderman said:
    I miss the good old days of last week when we were all going to die in a nuclear war, not a second civil war. 

    And President Trump would have been the cause of both right?
    Denying he had even a slightest influence in both would be a more gross understatement. But war is like sex, it takes two to tango. He wouldn't get all the blame for either, but he gets some. 

    Not really.  If it is good sex it's the womans fault. If it's bad it's the mans.  
    Having some issues in the bedroom with Mrs. PJFan, are we? Because I don't believe we are talking of the same thing. 
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