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  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    Just going to keep repeating what should be obvious to everyone....

    I have NO FUCKING CLUE how anyone could support Trump. I sincerely look forward to when he is no longer in office.

    What happened in Charlottesville was a horrible act. His response was almost on par with the act itself. Keep digging, Mueller.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    JC29856 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    I'm wondering if anyone here thinks that pipsqueak 20yr old that did this should get the death penalty.  Or should the American justice system change and reintegrate him back into society eventually.
    he is a youngster, only 20. I think he may be stuck in the learning hate phase, eventually with hope and change he will learn to love

    Yes you are right.  Love is the answer. It will set him free.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,492
    JC29856 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    I'm wondering if anyone here thinks that pipsqueak 20yr old that did this should get the death penalty.  Or should the American justice system change and reintegrate him back into society eventually.
    he is a youngster, only 20. I think he may be stuck in the learning hate phase, eventually with hope and change he will learn to love
    He's going to learn to love in virginia's penal system, and love hard.
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  • Go Beavers
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    JC29856 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ^^^
    That guy and group are nuts.  We all know that.  They use President Trump for their voice.  That still doesn't make what the believe in true.  Let me get this straight, the press now wants President Trump to call out white supremacy?  Is that why people are angry now?

    you're trying too hard to take away their "I told you so moment", don't. Let them have it, someone was killed, emotions and fervor is running high. You can't and won't win this one.
    look for the paradox and hypocrisy then point it out once the dust settles and the facts present themselves.
    Sometimes it takes awhile to come up with false equivalencies, doesn't it?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,893
    JC29856 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    JC29856 said:
    3days said:
    Without Googling, part of the rally's purpose was to unite the KKK, Neo Nazis, and other alt-right groups that believe in white supremacy and racial segregation. Friday night, they were in the streets with torches, chanting "You will not replace us". So, my best educated guess is that the rally's purpose was to promote the notion of white, Christian persecution.

    Speaking of which, and admittedly off thread topic, what's up with the job title "Grand Cyclops"? Much like "Grand Wizard", "The Grand Cyclops" is considered a higher rank in the KKK. Some KKK members have no doubt strived to achieve the level of "Grand Cyclops". I think that if someone wants to be known as "The Grand Cyclops", then they should only be allowed to cut ONE hole in their bedsheet. Imagine that! Spending one's time bumbling around and bumping into things, ignorant to what's going on, with a narrow view... Oh wait...
    so I'm clear, your saying the president should explicitly condemn the purpose of the rally but you're not sure of its purpose yourself. instead you make educated guesses at why they planned the rally.
    He stated the purpose. It was obvious.
    okay, I'll take your word as long as it's originating from cable tv
    Funny.. again.. you claim you're a liberal and progressive but you sure spend a lot of energy defending the hard/alt right on this one.  You need to do a better job of letting your true beliefs shine through.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,893
    Identity politics is a loser.  The far left is going down that path and it's dangerous.  Look at the hard right with their identity politics.  
    There is a new book coming out in a few days called the "The once and future liberal".  Comes out the 15th.  Here's they byline..

    From one of the country’s most admired political thinkers, an urgent wake-up call to American liberals to turn from the divisive politics of identity and develop a vision of our future that can persuade all citizens that they share a common destiny.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    So once this groundbreaking NYT Stephen king like  bestseller drops the world will be saved?


  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,492
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ^^^
    So once this groundbreaking NYT Stephen king like  bestseller drops the world will be saved?


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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,893
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ^^^
    So once this groundbreaking NYT Stephen king like  bestseller drops the world will be saved?


    It wouldn't hurt you to do a little reading...something more expansive than tweets.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited August 2017
    mrussel1 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ^^^
    So once this groundbreaking NYT Stephen king like  bestseller drops the world will be saved?


    It wouldn't hurt you to do a little reading...something more expansive than tweets.

    I'm just saying that everyone and their dog in America writes a book.  There is no subject that is not written about to try and rise above. Don't you find it odd that this magical book is coming out now during the midst of the Trump fog?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    JC29856 said:
    3days said:
    Without Googling, part of the rally's purpose was to unite the KKK, Neo Nazis, and other alt-right groups that believe in white supremacy and racial segregation. Friday night, they were in the streets with torches, chanting "You will not replace us". So, my best educated guess is that the rally's purpose was to promote the notion of white, Christian persecution.

    Speaking of which, and admittedly off thread topic, what's up with the job title "Grand Cyclops"? Much like "Grand Wizard", "The Grand Cyclops" is considered a higher rank in the KKK. Some KKK members have no doubt strived to achieve the level of "Grand Cyclops". I think that if someone wants to be known as "The Grand Cyclops", then they should only be allowed to cut ONE hole in their bedsheet. Imagine that! Spending one's time bumbling around and bumping into things, ignorant to what's going on, with a narrow view... Oh wait...
    so I'm clear, your saying the president should explicitly condemn the purpose of the rally but you're not sure of its purpose yourself. instead you make educated guesses at why they planned the rally.
    He stated the purpose. It was obvious.
    okay, I'll take your word as long as it's originating from cable tv
    Funny.. again.. you claim you're a liberal and progressive but you sure spend a lot of energy defending the hard/alt right on this one.  You need to do a better job of letting your true beliefs shine through.  
    big free speech person, even if it's hate. not a big violence or encitement person.

    hey, so let's resolve the double speak. 
    as a Leninist shouldn't I be joyful about all this upheaval and destruction? shouldn't I be cheering and applauding the rabble rousers? authentic or manufactured, or should I feel the need to defend the sources of the upheavalness? I've been accused of both which doesn't reconcile. I'm either openly cheering the wreckage or feeling the need to defend the horrible choice I made by voting trump in the swing commonwealth of pa?
    #burnitdown
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,893
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    JC29856 said:
    3days said:
    Without Googling, part of the rally's purpose was to unite the KKK, Neo Nazis, and other alt-right groups that believe in white supremacy and racial segregation. Friday night, they were in the streets with torches, chanting "You will not replace us". So, my best educated guess is that the rally's purpose was to promote the notion of white, Christian persecution.

    Speaking of which, and admittedly off thread topic, what's up with the job title "Grand Cyclops"? Much like "Grand Wizard", "The Grand Cyclops" is considered a higher rank in the KKK. Some KKK members have no doubt strived to achieve the level of "Grand Cyclops". I think that if someone wants to be known as "The Grand Cyclops", then they should only be allowed to cut ONE hole in their bedsheet. Imagine that! Spending one's time bumbling around and bumping into things, ignorant to what's going on, with a narrow view... Oh wait...
    so I'm clear, your saying the president should explicitly condemn the purpose of the rally but you're not sure of its purpose yourself. instead you make educated guesses at why they planned the rally.
    He stated the purpose. It was obvious.
    okay, I'll take your word as long as it's originating from cable tv
    Funny.. again.. you claim you're a liberal and progressive but you sure spend a lot of energy defending the hard/alt right on this one.  You need to do a better job of letting your true beliefs shine through.  
    big free speech person, even if it's hate. not a big violence or encitement person.

    hey, so let's resolve the double speak. 
    as a Leninist shouldn't I be joyful about all this upheaval and destruction? shouldn't I be cheering and applauding the rabble rousers? authentic or manufactured, or should I feel the need to defend the sources of the upheavalness? I've been accused of both which doesn't reconcile. I'm either openly cheering the wreckage or feeling the need to defend the horrible choice I made by voting trump in the swing commonwealth of pa?
    #burnitdown
    Yeah you should be, and I suspect you are.  
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ^^^
    So once this groundbreaking NYT Stephen king like  bestseller drops the world will be saved?


    It wouldn't hurt you to do a little reading...something more expansive than tweets.

    I'm just saying that everyone and their dog in America writes a book.  There is no subject that is not written about to try and rise above. Don't you find it odd that this magical book is coming out now during the midst of the Trump fog?
    I recommend "hacked" and "what happened" both coming soon.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,893
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ^^^
    So once this groundbreaking NYT Stephen king like  bestseller drops the world will be saved?


    It wouldn't hurt you to do a little reading...something more expansive than tweets.

    I'm just saying that everyone and their dog in America writes a book.  There is no subject that is not written about to try and rise above. Don't you find it odd that this magical book is coming out now during the midst of the Trump fog?
    Writing a book doesn't make it magic, but we can make sure with a good book burning just in case.  

    Do I find it odd that the book is being published at a time when the left is increasingly getting involved in identity politics, and the author thinks it's a mistake?  No..no I don't find that odd at all.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    What audience do you think the author is gearing it towards?

  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2017

    okay, I'll take your word as long as it's originating from cable tv
    Funny.. again.. you claim you're a liberal and progressive but you sure spend a lot of energy defending the hard/alt right on this one.  You need to do a better job of letting your true beliefs shine through.  
    big free speech person, even if it's hate. not a big violence or encitement person.

    hey, so let's resolve the double speak. 
    as a Leninist shouldn't I be joyful about all this upheaval and destruction? shouldn't I be cheering and applauding the rabble rousers? authentic or manufactured, or should I feel the need to defend the sources of the upheavalness? I've been accused of both which doesn't reconcile. I'm either openly cheering the wreckage or feeling the need to defend the horrible choice I made by voting trump in the swing commonwealth of pa?
    #burnitdown
    Yeah you should be, and I suspect you are.  
    Let's for the sake of argument assume I am but just not on here, which is worse what I'm suspected of doing or using a woman's corpse to cry I told you so and advanve political agenda?
    #rebelgirl
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,893
    JC29856 said:

    okay, I'll take your word as long as it's originating from cable tv
    Funny.. again.. you claim you're a liberal and progressive but you sure spend a lot of energy defending the hard/alt right on this one.  You need to do a better job of letting your true beliefs shine through.  
    big free speech person, even if it's hate. not a big violence or encitement person.

    hey, so let's resolve the double speak. 
    as a Leninist shouldn't I be joyful about all this upheaval and destruction? shouldn't I be cheering and applauding the rabble rousers? authentic or manufactured, or should I feel the need to defend the sources of the upheavalness? I've been accused of both which doesn't reconcile. I'm either openly cheering the wreckage or feeling the need to defend the horrible choice I made by voting trump in the swing commonwealth of pa?
    #burnitdown
    Yeah you should be, and I suspect you are.  
    Let's for the sake of argument assume I am but just not on here, which is worse what I'm suspected of doing or using a woman's corpse to cry I told you so and advanve political agenda?
    #rebelgirl
    Straw man argument.  Who specifically oon this board is celebratinga woman's death for the sake of their political agenda? Name names. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,893
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ^^^
    What audience do you think the author is gearing it towards?

    Progressives and liberals....  You only have to be the Master of the Obvious to figure that out. 
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    mrussel1 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ^^^
    What audience do you think the author is gearing it towards?

    Progressives and liberals....  You only have to be the Master of the Obvious to figure that out. 

    So do you recommend this read?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2017
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:

    okay, I'll take your word as long as it's originating from cable tv
    Funny.. again.. you claim you're a liberal and progressive but you sure spend a lot of energy defending the hard/alt right on this one.  You need to do a better job of letting your true beliefs shine through.  
    big free speech person, even if it's hate. not a big violence or encitement person.

    hey, so let's resolve the double speak. 
    as a Leninist shouldn't I be joyful about all this upheaval and destruction? shouldn't I be cheering and applauding the rabble rousers? authentic or manufactured, or should I feel the need to defend the sources of the upheavalness? I've been accused of both which doesn't reconcile. I'm either openly cheering the wreckage or feeling the need to defend the horrible choice I made by voting trump in the swing commonwealth of pa?
    #burnitdown
    Yeah you should be, and I suspect you are.  
    Let's for the sake of argument assume I am but just not on here, which is worse what I'm suspected of doing or using a woman's corpse to cry I told you so and advanve political agenda?
    #rebelgirl
    Straw man argument.  Who specifically oon this board is celebratinga woman's death for the sake of their political agenda? Name names. 
    "celebrating" is your word, nice try thou.
    to my point just review the last 3/4 pages, I'd rather not quote but I will.
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