Donald Trump

oftenreading

JC29856 said:

I'll help from the permit..“seeks to unify the right-wing against a totalitarian Communist crackdown, to speak out against displacement level immigration policies in the United States and Europe and to affirm the right of Southerners and white people to organize for their interests just like any other group is able to do, free of persecution.”

ignoring the incidents at the unite the right rally the form and purpose of it doesn't seem to break any laws to me or the aclu. 

Perhaps it didn't occur to you that if they stated their full goals on the permit application, they would not have been provided said permit?

JC29856

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

JC29856 said:

3days said:

Without Googling, part of the rally's purpose was to unite the KKK, Neo Nazis, and other alt-right groups that believe in white supremacy and racial segregation. Friday night, they were in the streets with torches, chanting "You will not replace us". So, my best educated guess is that the rally's purpose was to promote the notion of white, Christian persecution.

Speaking of which, and admittedly off thread topic, what's up with the job title "Grand Cyclops"? Much like "Grand Wizard", "The Grand Cyclops" is considered a higher rank in the KKK. Some KKK members have no doubt strived to achieve the level of "Grand Cyclops". I think that if someone wants to be known as "The Grand Cyclops", then they should only be allowed to cut ONE hole in their bedsheet. Imagine that! Spending one's time bumbling around and bumping into things, ignorant to what's going on, with a narrow view... Oh wait...

so I'm clear, your saying the president should explicitly condemn the purpose of the rally but you're not sure of its purpose yourself. instead you make educated guesses at why they planned the rally.

He stated the purpose. It was obvious.

okay, I'll take your word as long as it's originating from cable tv

JC29856

oftenreading said:

JC29856 said:

I'll help from the permit..“seeks to unify the right-wing against a totalitarian Communist crackdown, to speak out against displacement level immigration policies in the United States and Europe and to affirm the right of Southerners and white people to organize for their interests just like any other group is able to do, free of persecution.”

ignoring the incidents at the unite the right rally the form and purpose of it doesn't seem to break any laws to me or the aclu. 

Perhaps it didn't occur to you that if they stated their full goals on the permit application, they would not have been provided said permit?

that's certainly possible I would even say likely but then if the goals and purpose of the rally were super secret how can they be explicitly condemned? should we guess alterior motives of all rallys or just some rallys?

and what about the organized counter protestors? have they been identified? what was their purpose?

3days

JC29856 said:

I'll help from the permit..“seeks to unify the right-wing against a totalitarian Communist crackdown, to speak out against displacement level immigration policies in the United States and Europe and to affirm the right of Southerners and white people to organize for their interests just like any other group is able to do, free of persecution.”

AKA: "part of the rally's purpose was to unite the KKK, Neo Nazis, and other alt-right groups that believe in white supremacy and racial segregation".

AKA: "the rally's purpose was to promote the notion of white, Christian persecution"

oftenreading

JC29856 said:

oftenreading said:

JC29856 said:

I'll help from the permit..“seeks to unify the right-wing against a totalitarian Communist crackdown, to speak out against displacement level immigration policies in the United States and Europe and to affirm the right of Southerners and white people to organize for their interests just like any other group is able to do, free of persecution.”

ignoring the incidents at the unite the right rally the form and purpose of it doesn't seem to break any laws to me or the aclu. 

Perhaps it didn't occur to you that if they stated their full goals on the permit application, they would not have been provided said permit?

that's certainly possible I would even say likely but then if the goals and purpose of the rally were super secret how can they be explicitly condemned? should we guess alterior motives of all rallys or just some rallys?

and what about the organized counter protestors? have they been identified? what was their purpose?

We don't need to guess the motives of the white supremacists. They're open about it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2017/08/alt-right-members-in-charlottesville-vow-not-to-back-down/536685/

For those who don't want to read the article:

Today, the alt-right is unabashedly white nationalist, and unafraid to share their views. Richard Spencer fantasizes about a white ethno-state—a vision he told me would be like “the Roman empire.” Many in the movement go even farther, calling for mass deportation and ethnic cleansing for Jews and people of color.

And how about this? For the alt-right, the violence at the rally, including the death of a counter-protestor, is not a lamentable outcome, it's "a phenomenal victory"

PJPOWER

JC29856 said:

oftenreading said:

JC29856 said:

I'll help from the permit..“seeks to unify the right-wing against a totalitarian Communist crackdown, to speak out against displacement level immigration policies in the United States and Europe and to affirm the right of Southerners and white people to organize for their interests just like any other group is able to do, free of persecution.”

ignoring the incidents at the unite the right rally the form and purpose of it doesn't seem to break any laws to me or the aclu. 

Perhaps it didn't occur to you that if they stated their full goals on the permit application, they would not have been provided said permit?

that's certainly possible I would even say likely but then if the goals and purpose of the rally were super secret how can they be explicitly condemned? should we guess alterior motives of all rallys or just some rallys?

and what about the organized counter protestors? have they been identified? what was their purpose?

I know there have been plenty of accounts of the Antifa shit fucks along with the kkk shit fucks.  Both are plenty worthy of blame for escalated violence at otherwise peaceful protests.  Both are guilty of punching women and pepper spraying people in the face and a no tolerance type of mentality.  Fuck them all.

JC29856

3days said:

JC29856 said:

I'll help from the permit..“seeks to unify the right-wing against a totalitarian Communist crackdown, to speak out against displacement level immigration policies in the United States and Europe and to affirm the right of Southerners and white people to organize for their interests just like any other group is able to do, free of persecution.”

AKA: "part of the rally's purpose was to unite the KKK, Neo Nazis, and other alt-right groups that believe in white supremacy and racial segregation".

AKA: "the rally's purpose was to promote the notion of white, Christian persecution"

okay so I did your homework....now you want a president to explicitly condemn aka purposes? the president as dumb as he is should guess and the real purpose and condemn it? that's a slippery slope.

do you believe in free speech or only certain speech, because you can't believe in both?
speech is speech is speech. it's not the enemy and you're either for it or against it.

RunIntoTheRain

Halifax2TheMax said:

Hey, but Texas can join Mexico anytime they want. Fuck Texas.

Where did you get the can of paint you're using to paint with that broad brush?

oftenreading

JC29856 said:

3days said:

JC29856 said:

I'll help from the permit..“seeks to unify the right-wing against a totalitarian Communist crackdown, to speak out against displacement level immigration policies in the United States and Europe and to affirm the right of Southerners and white people to organize for their interests just like any other group is able to do, free of persecution.”

AKA: "part of the rally's purpose was to unite the KKK, Neo Nazis, and other alt-right groups that believe in white supremacy and racial segregation".

AKA: "the rally's purpose was to promote the notion of white, Christian persecution"

okay so I did your homework....now you want a president to explicitly condemn aka purposes? the president as dumb as he is should guess and the real purpose and condemn it? that's a slippery slope.

do you believe in free speech or only certain speech, because you can't believe in both?
speech is speech is speech. it's not the enemy and you're either for it or against it.

How about this nugget?

Kessler is a local blogger and activist who described the event as a pro-white rally

http://nationalpost.com/news/world/newsalert-driver-of-car-that-plowed-into-protesters-in-custody-official-says/wcm/a85dac16-2c5e-4c76-920c-b551e8a7424b

No one needs to guess at the rally's purpose. Their goals and rationale are widely available all over the internet. The president has heard of the internet, right? He doesn't even need to read; he can watch videos.

And your statement "speech is speech is speech" doesn't even deserve an answer.

josevolution

JC29856 said:

I'll help from the permit..“seeks to unify the right-wing against a totalitarian Communist crackdown, to speak out against displacement level immigration policies in the United States and Europe and to affirm the right of Southerners and white people to organize for their interests just like any other group is able to do, free of persecution.”

ignoring the incidents at the unite the right rally the form and purpose of it doesn't seem to break any laws to me or the aclu. 

Yes your correct ignoring doesn't brake any laws but not acknowledging the hate groups or distancing himself from such groups is not the way to bring the country together again you keep apologizing for head bafoon ! 

The Juggler

White supremacist/neo nazi website encouraged by Trump's remarks. Says they were "good" and "no condemnation of us at all".  It also says they are at war and intend on having many more rallies:

https://www.dailystormer.com/

JC29856

oftenreading said:

JC29856 said:

oftenreading said:

JC29856 said:

I'll help from the permit..“seeks to unify the right-wing against a totalitarian Communist crackdown, to speak out against displacement level immigration policies in the United States and Europe and to affirm the right of Southerners and white people to organize for their interests just like any other group is able to do, free of persecution.”

ignoring the incidents at the unite the right rally the form and purpose of it doesn't seem to break any laws to me or the aclu. 

Perhaps it didn't occur to you that if they stated their full goals on the permit application, they would not have been provided said permit?

that's certainly possible I would even say likely but then if the goals and purpose of the rally were super secret how can they be explicitly condemned? should we guess alterior motives of all rallys or just some rallys?

and what about the organized counter protestors? have they been identified? what was their purpose?

We don't need to guess the motives of the white supremacists. They're open about it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2017/08/alt-right-members-in-charlottesville-vow-not-to-back-down/536685/

For those who don't want to read the article:

Today, the alt-right is unabashedly white nationalist, and unafraid to share their views. Richard Spencer fantasizes about a white ethno-state—a vision he told me would be like “the Roman empire.” Many in the movement go even farther, calling for mass deportation and ethnic cleansing for Jews and people of color.

And how about this? For the alt-right, the violence at the rally, including the death of a counter-protestor, is not a lamentable outcome, it's "a phenomenal victory"

I was talking about condemning the stated purpose, we agree on the motives. I don't think any president, even one as stupid dumb as this one should guess at and condemn the stated purpose based on obvious motives or take words from those in attendance like Duke or Spencer.

People are quick to label BLM as a hate group or condemn their rallys based on the actions of bad actors with alterior motives when their stated purpose is to shine a light on being killed by cops more often than others simply for being black.

JC29856

oftenreading said:

JC29856 said:

3days said:

JC29856 said:

I'll help from the permit..“seeks to unify the right-wing against a totalitarian Communist crackdown, to speak out against displacement level immigration policies in the United States and Europe and to affirm the right of Southerners and white people to organize for their interests just like any other group is able to do, free of persecution.”

AKA: "part of the rally's purpose was to unite the KKK, Neo Nazis, and other alt-right groups that believe in white supremacy and racial segregation".

AKA: "the rally's purpose was to promote the notion of white, Christian persecution"

okay so I did your homework....now you want a president to explicitly condemn aka purposes? the president as dumb as he is should guess and the real purpose and condemn it? that's a slippery slope.

do you believe in free speech or only certain speech, because you can't believe in both?
speech is speech is speech. it's not the enemy and you're either for it or against it.

How about this nugget?

Kessler is a local blogger and activist who described the event as a pro-white rally

http://nationalpost.com/news/world/newsalert-driver-of-car-that-plowed-into-protesters-in-custody-official-says/wcm/a85dac16-2c5e-4c76-920c-b551e8a7424b

No one needs to guess at the rally's purpose. Their goals and rationale are widely available all over the internet. The president has heard of the internet, right? He doesn't even need to read; he can watch videos.

And your statement "speech is speech is speech" doesn't even deserve an answer.

One could argue that it was a white lives matter rally, I think that was even chanted. If so, although it's silly, I wouldn't say it's against any laws and would argue it's protected assembly and speech. Hate speech is speech, and protected.

You helped with with polling, I'm interested in your answer about speech speech speech. Keep in mind that more people read these forums than post, you would be helping them also.

JC29856

Why, then, would people who believe that simultaneously want to vest in these same fascism-supporting authorities the power to ban and outlaw ideas they dislike? Why would you possible think that the List of Prohibited Ideas will end up including the views you hate rather than the views you support? Most levers of state power are now controlled by the Republican Party, while many Democrats have also advocated the criminalization of left-wing views. Why would you trust those officials to suppress free speech in ways that you find just and noble, rather than oppressive?

https://theintercept.com/2017/08/13/the-misguided-attacks-on-aclu-for-defending-neo-nazis-free-speech-rights-in-charlottesville/

dignin

PJPOWER said:

JC29856 said:

oftenreading said:

JC29856 said:

I'll help from the permit..“seeks to unify the right-wing against a totalitarian Communist crackdown, to speak out against displacement level immigration policies in the United States and Europe and to affirm the right of Southerners and white people to organize for their interests just like any other group is able to do, free of persecution.”

ignoring the incidents at the unite the right rally the form and purpose of it doesn't seem to break any laws to me or the aclu. 

Perhaps it didn't occur to you that if they stated their full goals on the permit application, they would not have been provided said permit?

that's certainly possible I would even say likely but then if the goals and purpose of the rally were super secret how can they be explicitly condemned? should we guess alterior motives of all rallys or just some rallys?

and what about the organized counter protestors? have they been identified? what was their purpose?

I know there have been plenty of accounts of the Antifa shit fucks along with the kkk shit fucks.  Both are plenty worthy of blame for escalated violence at otherwise peaceful protests.  Both are guilty of punching women and pepper spraying people in the face and a no tolerance type of mentality.  Fuck them all.

Only one side murdered someone yesterday, but hey, same difference.

PJPOWER

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

JC29856 said:

oftenreading said:

JC29856 said:

I'll help from the permit..“seeks to unify the right-wing against a totalitarian Communist crackdown, to speak out against displacement level immigration policies in the United States and Europe and to affirm the right of Southerners and white people to organize for their interests just like any other group is able to do, free of persecution.”

ignoring the incidents at the unite the right rally the form and purpose of it doesn't seem to break any laws to me or the aclu. 

Perhaps it didn't occur to you that if they stated their full goals on the permit application, they would not have been provided said permit?

that's certainly possible I would even say likely but then if the goals and purpose of the rally were super secret how can they be explicitly condemned? should we guess alterior motives of all rallys or just some rallys?

and what about the organized counter protestors? have they been identified? what was their purpose?

I know there have been plenty of accounts of the Antifa shit fucks along with the kkk shit fucks.  Both are plenty worthy of blame for escalated violence at otherwise peaceful protests.  Both are guilty of punching women and pepper spraying people in the face and a no tolerance type of mentality.  Fuck them all.

Only one side murdered someone yesterday, but hey, same difference.

Only one person murdered someone.  Both "sides" are guilty of perpetuating the violence that has come forth at protests across the country.  Far lefties and far righties are both far dumbasses.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

JC29856 said:

oftenreading said:

JC29856 said:

I'll help from the permit..“seeks to unify the right-wing against a totalitarian Communist crackdown, to speak out against displacement level immigration policies in the United States and Europe and to affirm the right of Southerners and white people to organize for their interests just like any other group is able to do, free of persecution.”

ignoring the incidents at the unite the right rally the form and purpose of it doesn't seem to break any laws to me or the aclu. 

Perhaps it didn't occur to you that if they stated their full goals on the permit application, they would not have been provided said permit?

that's certainly possible I would even say likely but then if the goals and purpose of the rally were super secret how can they be explicitly condemned? should we guess alterior motives of all rallys or just some rallys?

and what about the organized counter protestors? have they been identified? what was their purpose?

I know there have been plenty of accounts of the Antifa shit fucks along with the kkk shit fucks.  Both are plenty worthy of blame for escalated violence at otherwise peaceful protests.  Both are guilty of punching women and pepper spraying people in the face and a no tolerance type of mentality.  Fuck them all.

Only one side murdered someone yesterday, but hey, same difference.

And being intolerant of hate places one side on par with being intolerant of people?

dignin

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

JC29856 said:

oftenreading said:

JC29856 said:

I'll help from the permit..“seeks to unify the right-wing against a totalitarian Communist crackdown, to speak out against displacement level immigration policies in the United States and Europe and to affirm the right of Southerners and white people to organize for their interests just like any other group is able to do, free of persecution.”

ignoring the incidents at the unite the right rally the form and purpose of it doesn't seem to break any laws to me or the aclu. 

Perhaps it didn't occur to you that if they stated their full goals on the permit application, they would not have been provided said permit?

that's certainly possible I would even say likely but then if the goals and purpose of the rally were super secret how can they be explicitly condemned? should we guess alterior motives of all rallys or just some rallys?

and what about the organized counter protestors? have they been identified? what was their purpose?

I know there have been plenty of accounts of the Antifa shit fucks along with the kkk shit fucks.  Both are plenty worthy of blame for escalated violence at otherwise peaceful protests.  Both are guilty of punching women and pepper spraying people in the face and a no tolerance type of mentality.  Fuck them all.

Only one side murdered someone yesterday, but hey, same difference.

Only one person murdered someone.  Both "sides" are guilty of perpetuating the violence that has come forth at protests across the country.  Far lefties and far righties are both far dumbasses.

Oh really? So I bet you feel the same way when "one Muslim" blows himself up in a crowd of people.

The far left is not spewing the hate. The far left was out there marching against the hate when they were run down in the street by someone on the far right.

False equivalency, and any sane person can see it.

dignin

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

JC29856 said:

oftenreading said:

JC29856 said:

I'll help from the permit..“seeks to unify the right-wing against a totalitarian Communist crackdown, to speak out against displacement level immigration policies in the United States and Europe and to affirm the right of Southerners and white people to organize for their interests just like any other group is able to do, free of persecution.”

ignoring the incidents at the unite the right rally the form and purpose of it doesn't seem to break any laws to me or the aclu. 

Perhaps it didn't occur to you that if they stated their full goals on the permit application, they would not have been provided said permit?

that's certainly possible I would even say likely but then if the goals and purpose of the rally were super secret how can they be explicitly condemned? should we guess alterior motives of all rallys or just some rallys?

and what about the organized counter protestors? have they been identified? what was their purpose?

I know there have been plenty of accounts of the Antifa shit fucks along with the kkk shit fucks.  Both are plenty worthy of blame for escalated violence at otherwise peaceful protests.  Both are guilty of punching women and pepper spraying people in the face and a no tolerance type of mentality.  Fuck them all.

Only one side murdered someone yesterday, but hey, same difference.

And being intolerant of hate places one side on par with being intolerant of people?

It's crazy. Were in Trump's America now, this is how people rationalize this BS.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Is President Trump considered right, far right or alt-right?