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My biggest fear.
We can all laugh at Trump's follies, but keep in mind there is the potential for something brutal."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
well, hopefully the Mueller investigation/findings could kick their legs out before that. You would also think the "Ivanka Wing" would be against killing innocents and possibly sway him.0
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Ivanka doesn't have an ounce of sway with her lecherous father.MayDay10 said:well, hopefully the Mueller investigation/findings could kick their legs out before that. You would also think the "Ivanka Wing" would be against killing innocents and possibly sway him.
She's an attractive prop that he trots out to reflect well on him.
His past statements and behavior make that obvious.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
You wish for Trump to prosecute people in the absence of evidence of a crime being committed? Keep grasping and misrepresenting. Order up!JC29856 said:
Nope, you're saying all that, you're also bringing in Hilliary for some reason. I'm simply saying the president does have the power to dictate who gets prosecuted and who gets let off, obvious clear contradiction to the prestigious US attorney Preet Bharara tweet.mrussel1 said:
So your reading of the Take Care clause (as an example) and the others is that the POTUS wields unlimited power to investigate and prosecute a person, regardless of whether that person is in actual violation of a statute. HRC has already been cleared by the FBI, yet that doesn't satisfy Trump (or you). You must believe that the Constitution bestows Kingly powers on the POTUS to make such an argument. Most humanoids read into it what it actually says "Take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed"..not to override professional prosecutors or create new laws on a whim.JC29856 said:
took last min vacation, what did I miss? trump cleaning house?mrussel1 said:
None of these criticisms have anything to do with your central point... evidently that Preet and Lindsey are wrong and Trump can prosecute his political enemies. Try addressing that point rather than trying to throw curve balls.JC29856 said:
preet is banking on people being gullible and naive and trusting his sour grapes comments.mrussel1 said:
A unitary executive doesn't mean they have limitless power. The DOJ didn't even exist when the Constitution was written. It's the nation's chief law enforcement tool. It's not Trump's personal vendetta squad. You actually still have to meet the standards of prosecution in order to prosecute. Care to explain how Preet is wrong vs. just stating it as if it's a fact? I'm pretty sure he's a helluva lot more qualified than you considering he held the most prestigious US Attorney post in the country.JC29856 said:
Preet dead wrong...Lindsays opinion can't be wrong technically since he uses the word inappropriate.mrussel1 said:
I'm sorry, you think Preet and Lindsey are wrong? I think you may have the finger pointed in the wrong direction.JC29856 said:are their any political science junkies out there?
would someone explain unitary executive to the dumb trump supporters and these two below.
Any poli sci gurus know more than a US attorney?
for those that don't know, I'm of the opinion that the presidency has gained too much power over the last 18 years.
anyone have any thoughts on why Congress let the office of independent counsel die in 1999? why would Congress let a very powerful check and balance to the president expire? an office for Congress independent of the AG and DoJ? if it were still around today, we wouldn't be having any conversation about Trump firing Sessions and orMueller, we wouldn't be talking about a president trying to "dictate prosecution". maybe preet knows
I never responded the preets bs, sorry for the delay... anyway the vesting clause, the take care clause or faithful execution clause and of course the pardon prove preets tweet dead wrong. he should know this already (so should an informed citizenry)?
anyway a decent read regarding the office of independent counsel
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/05/19/politics-could-still-block-muellers-investigation-i-know-i-wrote-the-rules/
Yes, you are quite the informed citizenry aren't you, contorting your logic in 15 different ways to support Trump while simultaneously calling yourself progressive or liberal. As your king might say... SAD!
Try more rebuttal and less of putting words in mouths.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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I agree. If anything she is an enabler.rgambs said:
Ivanka doesn't have an ounce of sway with her lecherous father.MayDay10 said:well, hopefully the Mueller investigation/findings could kick their legs out before that. You would also think the "Ivanka Wing" would be against killing innocents and possibly sway him.
She's an attractive prop that he trots out to reflect well on him.
His past statements and behavior make that obvious.0 -
The Ivanka wing is completely corrupt in my opinion. She's no different than the rest of the clan. Ironically, if there is anyone that would prevent a war, it would be Bannon I would think. He's more aligned with the Pat Buchanan wing and they are fiercely isolationist.MayDay10 said:well, hopefully the Mueller investigation/findings could kick their legs out before that. You would also think the "Ivanka Wing" would be against killing innocents and possibly sway him.0 -
I stated that preets tweet was dead wrong..."Right. In America we don't let the President dictate who gets prosecuted and who gets let off."mrussel1 said:
The President can dictate the veracity under which specific laws are prosecuted (marijuana laws are a good example). However, that person can only be prosecuted within a statute where there is a probability that it was violated. Hillary is being brought up because that's the actual issue at hand in both Preet's and Graham's tweet. She was investigated and ultimately cleared. No amount of Trump twitting can actually create a violation of a statute.JC29856 said:
Nope, you're saying all that, you're also bringing in Hilliary for some reason. I'm simply saying the president does have the power to dictate who gets prosecuted and who gets let off, obvious clear contradiction to the prestigious US attorney Preet Bharara tweet.mrussel1 said:
So your reading of the Take Care clause (as an example) and the others is that the POTUS wields unlimited power to investigate and prosecute a person, regardless of whether that person is in actual violation of a statute. HRC has already been cleared by the FBI, yet that doesn't satisfy Trump (or you). You must believe that the Constitution bestows Kingly powers on the POTUS to make such an argument. Most humanoids read into it what it actually says "Take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed"..not to override professional prosecutors or create new laws on a whim.JC29856 said:
took last min vacation, what did I miss? trump cleaning house?mrussel1 said:
None of these criticisms have anything to do with your central point... evidently that Preet and Lindsey are wrong and Trump can prosecute his political enemies. Try addressing that point rather than trying to throw curve balls.JC29856 said:
preet is banking on people being gullible and naive and trusting his sour grapes comments.mrussel1 said:
A unitary executive doesn't mean they have limitless power. The DOJ didn't even exist when the Constitution was written. It's the nation's chief law enforcement tool. It's not Trump's personal vendetta squad. You actually still have to meet the standards of prosecution in order to prosecute. Care to explain how Preet is wrong vs. just stating it as if it's a fact? I'm pretty sure he's a helluva lot more qualified than you considering he held the most prestigious US Attorney post in the country.JC29856 said:
Preet dead wrong...Lindsays opinion can't be wrong technically since he uses the word inappropriate.mrussel1 said:
I'm sorry, you think Preet and Lindsey are wrong? I think you may have the finger pointed in the wrong direction.JC29856 said:are their any political science junkies out there?
would someone explain unitary executive to the dumb trump supporters and these two below.
Any poli sci gurus know more than a US attorney?
for those that don't know, I'm of the opinion that the presidency has gained too much power over the last 18 years.
anyone have any thoughts on why Congress let the office of independent counsel die in 1999? why would Congress let a very powerful check and balance to the president expire? an office for Congress independent of the AG and DoJ? if it were still around today, we wouldn't be having any conversation about Trump firing Sessions and orMueller, we wouldn't be talking about a president trying to "dictate prosecution". maybe preet knows
I never responded the preets bs, sorry for the delay... anyway the vesting clause, the take care clause or faithful execution clause and of course the pardon prove preets tweet dead wrong. he should know this already (so should an informed citizenry)?
anyway a decent read regarding the office of independent counsel
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/05/19/politics-could-still-block-muellers-investigation-i-know-i-wrote-the-rules/
Yes, you are quite the informed citizenry aren't you, contorting your logic in 15 different ways to support Trump while simultaneously calling yourself progressive or liberal. As your king might say... SAD!
Try more rebuttal and less of putting words in mouths.
When you apply the vesting clause, take care clause and pardons he couldn't be more wrong.
I never referenced context nor do I care about the issue at hand, Hilliary or otherwise. My issue is with a prestigious US attorney tweeting "inaccuracies" (instead of calling it a lie) confident that his followers know little about the powers vested in the president and expanded over the last 18 years.
I don't get too involved in congressional dog and pony investigations, nothing ever comes of them. All I remember about the "Hilliary investigations" were a bunch of immunity deals, extraordinary number of 5th pleadings and the word INTENT / INTEND.
In any case, yes it is my opinion based on the last 18 years of expanding presidential powers without oversight checks and balances that a better description for our presidents is emperor.
Does anything illustrate empirical powers over the last 18 years than bombing half the planet without a declaration of war?
Last word is yours, I'm back to vacationing.
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^^ You're criticizing the Us Attorney in general, whereas he was making a very specific point regarding HRC and the tweets Trump was unleashing.0
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Don't let context and nuance get in the way of misrepresenting. Congress still exists. That they've abdicated their responsibilities is not Preet's fault but rather a reflection of them and the voters that keep them there.mrussel1 said:^^ You're criticizing the Us Attorney in general, whereas he was making a very specific point regarding HRC and the tweets Trump was unleashing.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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mrussel1 said:Is the reporter's chief criticism that of glorifying warriors, or that some warriors are frauds. I would ague both have been a part of human nature for almost 3k years+
If you're replying to me, I'd say his point is that our culture, GOP culture in particular, glorifies the trappings of hyper-masculinity, posturing over action, dick-swinging over actual courage and bravery. If you read the links I shared, he points to John Wayne as the archetype, with more contemporary examples being Rush Limbaugh, Dick Cheney, or, here in 2017, that fat jackass who wanted to challenge Susan Collins to a duel or the Orange Menace himself. The trappings of manliness, the "good thing you held me back, otherwise I would've TOTALLY kicked his ass!" attitude, the eagerness to dismiss opponents by painting them as weak and unmanly despite their actual service record (Jimmy Carter, John Kerry), loud threats and talk of war from men who never served who are hiding behind microphones and bully pulpits, that sort of thing.
So the issue isn't glorifying warriors; it's closer to "some warriors are frauds." It's people who avoided the draft who like to pretend that they are the stars of their own action movie franchise. Jimmy Carter is ten times the man Limbaugh or Agent Orange ever could hope to be.
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.0 -
I feel the samey way.... while it is so easy to laugh and make fun of this circus... it is VERY SCARY.... it makes me so unsettled. I literally wake up thinking.. .OK Now what happened overnight.The Juggler said:
It is impossible for this man to be more stupid. God help us when the shit its the fan with NK or something else. We are fucked.
Frump giving me bad anxiety.
So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream
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Latest set of tweets folks. Not too bad. On point.
Stock Market could hit all-time high (again) 22,000 today. Was 18,000 only 6 months ago on Election Day. Mainstream media seldom mentions! "Corporations have NEVER made as much money as they are making now." Thank you Stuart Varney @foxandfriends Jobs are starting to roar,watch! Only the Fake News Media and Trump enemies want me to stop using Social Media (110 million people). Only way for me to get the truth out!
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Corps have never made more money as today, yet Trump/GOP is arguing for reduced corp taxes to "unleash the power of the American worker". So please explain the disconnect to me between these statements?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Latest set of tweets folks. Not too bad. On point.
Stock Market could hit all-time high (again) 22,000 today. Was 18,000 only 6 months ago on Election Day. Mainstream media seldom mentions! "Corporations have NEVER made as much money as they are making now." Thank you Stuart Varney @foxandfriends Jobs are starting to roar,watch! Only the Fake News Media and Trump enemies want me to stop using Social Media (110 million people). Only way for me to get the truth out!0 -
kind of tone-deaf that he, today, would hide behind his cloak of 'fake news' while thanking Foxnews.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/01/media/rod-wheeler-seth-rich-fox-news-lawsuit/index.html
less than no credibility
and 6 months ago wasnt election day. It was over 20,000 in December and January and trending up..... but whatever, we can just eat whatever he is shoveling0 -
He's a delusional idiot.I LOVE MUSIC.
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Bloated, hormone laced, debilitated and unable to walk chickens in a cardboard tub with KFC scrawled on it.MayDay10 said:kind of tone-deaf that he, today, would hide behind his cloak of 'fake news' while thanking Foxnews.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/01/media/rod-wheeler-seth-rich-fox-news-lawsuit/index.html
less than no credibility
and 6 months ago wasnt election day. It was over 20,000 in December and January and trending up..... but whatever, we can just eat whatever he is shovelingIt's a hopeless situation...0 -
Lizard said:
I feel the samey way.... while it is so easy to laugh and make fun of this circus... it is VERY SCARY.... it makes me so unsettled. I literally wake up thinking.. .OK Now what happened overnight.The Juggler said:
It is impossible for this man to be more stupid. God help us when the shit its the fan with NK or something else. We are fucked.
Frump giving me bad anxiety.
I have the same issues awakening to whatever chaos has been created for the day. This administration and WH is playing out like a reality show....drama, drama, drama. It would a nice to find a day of realitive calm but that appears not to be the case.
Peace*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
He's just a bad human being i mean not one good quality as a human !jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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(The stock market tripled under the previous administration, if that's your thing)everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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Anxiety? Really?g under p said:Lizard said:
I feel the samey way.... while it is so easy to laugh and make fun of this circus... it is VERY SCARY.... it makes me so unsettled. I literally wake up thinking.. .OK Now what happened overnight.The Juggler said:
It is impossible for this man to be more stupid. God help us when the shit its the fan with NK or something else. We are fucked.
Frump giving me bad anxiety.
I have the same issues awakening to whatever chaos has been created for the day. This administration and WH is playing out like a reality show....drama, drama, drama. It would a nice to find a day of realitive calm but that appears not to be the case.
Peace
He is one man guys. Focus on how to take him down. Present a viable candidate.
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