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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,774
    mickeyrat said:
    warned about documents last year apparently

    gift article

    How about those PATRIOTS?
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  • mickeyrat
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    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/19/trump-mar-a-lago-probe-00057621
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  • Merkin Baller
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    mrussel1 said:
    I don't know that they are Nazis.  They are weak minded, that's for sure.   Their delusions are not limited to Trump.  

    They’re embracing fascism to maintain the status quo & scapegoating / blaming others for their misery. No, it’s not right at this point in time to say MAGAs are the same as Nazis; but there are parallels / similarities between the movements. 
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    They're fascists.

    This is literally the picture next to the word, according to BING.


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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,149
    Merkin Baller said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I don't know that they are Nazis.  They are weak minded, that's for sure.   Their delusions are not limited to Trump.  

    They’re embracing fascism to maintain the status quo & scapegoating / blaming others for their misery. No, it’s not right at this point in time to say MAGAs are the same as Nazis; but there are parallels / similarities between the movements. 
    I think they are embracing facism and scapegoating others because they don't know who to blame and don't understand where the prosperity went.  Trump is a useful focus for this energy.
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  • DewieCox
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    ikiT said:
    They're fascists.

    This is literally the picture next to the word, according to BING.



    haven’t you heard that the definition of fascism has been changed by the cabal?
  • mickeyrat
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    kinda thinking this isnt what fuckstick and team had in mind.....


     
    Arbiter in Trump docs probe signals intent to move quickly
    By ERIC TUCKER and MICHAEL R. SISAK
    35 mins ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The independent arbiter tasked with inspecting documents seized in an FBI search of former President Donald Trump's Florida home said Tuesday he intends to push briskly though the review process and appeared skeptical of the Trump team's reluctance to say whether it believed the records had been declassified.

    “We're going to proceed with what I call responsible dispatch," Raymond Dearie, a veteran Brooklyn judge, told lawyers for Trump and the Justice Department in their first meeting since his appointment last week as a so-called special master.

    The purpose of the meeting was to sort out next steps in a review process expected to slow by weeks, if not months, the criminal investigation into the retention of top-secret information at Mar-a-Lago after Trump left the White House. As special master, Dearie will be responsible for sifting through the thousands of documents recovered during the Aug. 8 FBI search and segregating those protected by claims of executive privilege or attorney-client privilege.

    Though Trump's lawyers had requested the appointment of a special master to ensure an independent review of the documents, one of the former president's attorneys, James Trusty, made clear they were concerned that Dearie's proposed deadlines were too ambitious.

    The lawyers are also resisting Dearie's request for information about whether the seized records had been declassified, as Trump has maintained. In a letter to Dearie on Monday night, the lawyers said that issue could be part of Trump’s defense in the event of an indictment.

    But Dearie appeared unsatisfied with that position. He said if Trump's lawyers will not actually assert that the records have been declassified and the Justice Department instead makes an acceptable case that they remain classified, then “as far as I'm concerned, that's the end of it.”

    Trusty said the Trump team should not be forced at this point to disclose a possible defense based on the idea that the records had been declassified. He denied that the lawyers were trying to engage in “gamesmanship” but instead believed it was a process that required “baby steps.”

    But Dearie at one point observed: “I guess my view of it is, you can’t have your cake and eat it” too.

    Trump has maintained without evidence that all of the records were declassified; his lawyers have not echoed that claim, though they have repeatedly asserted that a president has absolute authority to declassify information, and they said in a separate filing Tuesday that the Justice Department had not proven that the records remained classified.

    “As someone who has been president of the United States, he has unfettered access along with unfettered declassification authority,” Trusty said Tuesday.

    The resistance to the judge’s request was notable because it was Trump’s lawyers, not the Justice Department, who had requested the appointment of a special master and because the recalcitrance included an acknowledgment that the probe could be building toward an indictment.

    In the letter, Trump’s lawyers said the time for addressing that question would be if they pressed forward with demands for the Justice Department to return some of the property taken from Mar-a-Lago.

    “Otherwise, the Special Master process will have forced the Plaintiff to fully and specifically disclose a defense to the merits of any subsequent indictment.” they wrote.

    The Trump team also asked the judge to consider pushing back all of the deadlines for his review. That work includes inspecting the roughly 11,000 documents, including about 100 marked as classified, that were taken during the FBI's search.

    U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointee who granted the Trump team's request for a special master, had set a Nov. 30 deadline for Dearie's review and instructed him to prioritize his inspection of classified records. The Justice Department has asked a federal appeals court to halt Cannon's order requiring it to provide him with classified documents for his review. That appeal is pending.

    Dearie, a Ronald Reagan appointee whose name is on the atrium of his Brooklyn courthouse, made clear during Tuesday's meeting that he intended to meet the deadlines, saying there was “little time” to complete the assigned tasks.

    Julie Edelstein, a Justice Department lawyer, said she was hopeful that the department could get the documents digitized and provided to Trump's lawyers by early next week. She noted that the department had given the legal team a list of five vendors approved by the government for the purposes of scanning, hosting and otherwise processing the seized records.

    After some haggling, Dearie instructed Trusty's lawyers to choose a vendor by Friday.

    Earlier Tuesday, the Trump legal team urged the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit to leave in place Cannon's order temporarily barring the Justice Department's use of the classified records for its criminal investigation while Dearie completes his review. The department has said that order has impeded its investigation into the presence of top-secret information at Mar-a-Lago.

    Trump's lawyers called those concerns overblown, saying investigators could still do other work on the probe even without scrutinizing the seized records.

    “Ultimately, any brief delay to the criminal investigation will not irreparably harm the Government,” Trump's lawyers wrote. “The injunction does not preclude the Government from conducting a criminal investigation, it merely delays the investigation for a short period while a neutral third party reviews the documents in question.”

    _____

    Sisak reported from New York.

    Follow AP's coverage of the search at Mar-a-Lago at https://apnews.com/hub/mar-a-lago


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  • gimmesometruth27
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    mickeyrat said:
    kinda thinking this isnt what fuckstick and team had in mind.....


     
    Arbiter in Trump docs probe signals intent to move quickly
    By ERIC TUCKER and MICHAEL R. SISAK
    35 mins ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The independent arbiter tasked with inspecting documents seized in an FBI search of former President Donald Trump's Florida home said Tuesday he intends to push briskly though the review process and appeared skeptical of the Trump team's reluctance to say whether it believed the records had been declassified.

    “We're going to proceed with what I call responsible dispatch," Raymond Dearie, a veteran Brooklyn judge, told lawyers for Trump and the Justice Department in their first meeting since his appointment last week as a so-called special master.

    The purpose of the meeting was to sort out next steps in a review process expected to slow by weeks, if not months, the criminal investigation into the retention of top-secret information at Mar-a-Lago after Trump left the White House. As special master, Dearie will be responsible for sifting through the thousands of documents recovered during the Aug. 8 FBI search and segregating those protected by claims of executive privilege or attorney-client privilege.

    Though Trump's lawyers had requested the appointment of a special master to ensure an independent review of the documents, one of the former president's attorneys, James Trusty, made clear they were concerned that Dearie's proposed deadlines were too ambitious.

    The lawyers are also resisting Dearie's request for information about whether the seized records had been declassified, as Trump has maintained. In a letter to Dearie on Monday night, the lawyers said that issue could be part of Trump’s defense in the event of an indictment.

    But Dearie appeared unsatisfied with that position. He said if Trump's lawyers will not actually assert that the records have been declassified and the Justice Department instead makes an acceptable case that they remain classified, then “as far as I'm concerned, that's the end of it.”

    Trusty said the Trump team should not be forced at this point to disclose a possible defense based on the idea that the records had been declassified. He denied that the lawyers were trying to engage in “gamesmanship” but instead believed it was a process that required “baby steps.”

    But Dearie at one point observed: “I guess my view of it is, you can’t have your cake and eat it” too.

    Trump has maintained without evidence that all of the records were declassified; his lawyers have not echoed that claim, though they have repeatedly asserted that a president has absolute authority to declassify information, and they said in a separate filing Tuesday that the Justice Department had not proven that the records remained classified.

    “As someone who has been president of the United States, he has unfettered access along with unfettered declassification authority,” Trusty said Tuesday.

    The resistance to the judge’s request was notable because it was Trump’s lawyers, not the Justice Department, who had requested the appointment of a special master and because the recalcitrance included an acknowledgment that the probe could be building toward an indictment.

    In the letter, Trump’s lawyers said the time for addressing that question would be if they pressed forward with demands for the Justice Department to return some of the property taken from Mar-a-Lago.

    “Otherwise, the Special Master process will have forced the Plaintiff to fully and specifically disclose a defense to the merits of any subsequent indictment.” they wrote.

    The Trump team also asked the judge to consider pushing back all of the deadlines for his review. That work includes inspecting the roughly 11,000 documents, including about 100 marked as classified, that were taken during the FBI's search.

    U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointee who granted the Trump team's request for a special master, had set a Nov. 30 deadline for Dearie's review and instructed him to prioritize his inspection of classified records. The Justice Department has asked a federal appeals court to halt Cannon's order requiring it to provide him with classified documents for his review. That appeal is pending.

    Dearie, a Ronald Reagan appointee whose name is on the atrium of his Brooklyn courthouse, made clear during Tuesday's meeting that he intended to meet the deadlines, saying there was “little time” to complete the assigned tasks.

    Julie Edelstein, a Justice Department lawyer, said she was hopeful that the department could get the documents digitized and provided to Trump's lawyers by early next week. She noted that the department had given the legal team a list of five vendors approved by the government for the purposes of scanning, hosting and otherwise processing the seized records.

    After some haggling, Dearie instructed Trusty's lawyers to choose a vendor by Friday.

    Earlier Tuesday, the Trump legal team urged the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit to leave in place Cannon's order temporarily barring the Justice Department's use of the classified records for its criminal investigation while Dearie completes his review. The department has said that order has impeded its investigation into the presence of top-secret information at Mar-a-Lago.

    Trump's lawyers called those concerns overblown, saying investigators could still do other work on the probe even without scrutinizing the seized records.

    “Ultimately, any brief delay to the criminal investigation will not irreparably harm the Government,” Trump's lawyers wrote. “The injunction does not preclude the Government from conducting a criminal investigation, it merely delays the investigation for a short period while a neutral third party reviews the documents in question.”

    _____

    Sisak reported from New York.

    Follow AP's coverage of the search at Mar-a-Lago at https://apnews.com/hub/mar-a-lago


    is anyone surprised? when you hire the 3 stooges to be your attorneys, you have to expect shitty lawyering.
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  • mickeyrat
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,135
    edited September 2022
    Merkin Baller said:





    Just a handful of crazies, absolutely nothing to be concerned about, as long as I get to keep my cushy executive role and be business pals with my beloved moderate republicans who support this with their votes.


    edit, for those who don’t know, the one held up by current republicans, is a direct use of the THREAT of violence 
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,135
    static111 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I don't know that they are Nazis.  They are weak minded, that's for sure.   Their delusions are not limited to Trump.  

    They’re embracing fascism to maintain the status quo & scapegoating / blaming others for their misery. No, it’s not right at this point in time to say MAGAs are the same as Nazis; but there are parallels / similarities between the movements. 
    I think they are embracing facism and scapegoating others because they don't know who to blame and don't understand where the prosperity went.  Trump is a useful focus for this energy.


    It’s pretty clear they are blaming democrats, as evidenced by countless trump speeches and many in person discussions I get to have with his voters.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    edited September 2022

    It's just a little fascism sweeping the GOP, you guys... it's not like fascism has ever been a problem in the past. 

    I'm sure if we just ignore it & assume the best of everyone involved it will all turn out ok. 
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,550
    Somebody's head is going to explode...

    New York attorney general files civil fraud lawsuit against Trump, some of his children and his business


  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,149
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I don't know that they are Nazis.  They are weak minded, that's for sure.   Their delusions are not limited to Trump.  

    They’re embracing fascism to maintain the status quo & scapegoating / blaming others for their misery. No, it’s not right at this point in time to say MAGAs are the same as Nazis; but there are parallels / similarities between the movements. 
    I think they are embracing facism and scapegoating others because they don't know who to blame and don't understand where the prosperity went.  Trump is a useful focus for this energy.


    It’s pretty clear they are blaming democrats, as evidenced by countless trump speeches and many in person discussions I get to have with his voters.
    I never said they were correct in placing the blame, I said they don't know who to blame.  It gets pointed at democrats, immigrants minorities etc, because they don't know who to blame.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,550
    static111 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I don't know that they are Nazis.  They are weak minded, that's for sure.   Their delusions are not limited to Trump.  

    They’re embracing fascism to maintain the status quo & scapegoating / blaming others for their misery. No, it’s not right at this point in time to say MAGAs are the same as Nazis; but there are parallels / similarities between the movements. 
    I think they are embracing facism and scapegoating others because they don't know who to blame and don't understand where the prosperity went.  Trump is a useful focus for this energy.


    It’s pretty clear they are blaming democrats, as evidenced by countless trump speeches and many in person discussions I get to have with his voters.
    I never said they were correct in placing the blame, I said they don't know who to blame.  It gets pointed at democrats, immigrants minorities etc, because they don't know who to blame.
    Their orange hued leader is a classic textbook narcissist. As such all blame for everything even remotely negative gets placed elsewhere all the time.
    However he takes credit for anything and everything positive even if he has nothing to do with it.

    Classic narcissism 
  • The Juggler
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    static111 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I don't know that they are Nazis.  They are weak minded, that's for sure.   Their delusions are not limited to Trump.  

    They’re embracing fascism to maintain the status quo & scapegoating / blaming others for their misery. No, it’s not right at this point in time to say MAGAs are the same as Nazis; but there are parallels / similarities between the movements. 
    I think they are embracing facism and scapegoating others because they don't know who to blame and don't understand where the prosperity went.  Trump is a useful focus for this energy.


    It’s pretty clear they are blaming democrats, as evidenced by countless trump speeches and many in person discussions I get to have with his voters.
    I never said they were correct in placing the blame, I said they don't know who to blame.  It gets pointed at democrats, immigrants minorities etc, because they don't know who to blame.
    I think your description of them has a lot in common with the German folks who voted for Hitler 90 some years ago
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  • static111
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    The Juggler said:
    static111 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I don't know that they are Nazis.  They are weak minded, that's for sure.   Their delusions are not limited to Trump.  

    They’re embracing fascism to maintain the status quo & scapegoating / blaming others for their misery. No, it’s not right at this point in time to say MAGAs are the same as Nazis; but there are parallels / similarities between the movements. 
    I think they are embracing facism and scapegoating others because they don't know who to blame and don't understand where the prosperity went.  Trump is a useful focus for this energy.


    It’s pretty clear they are blaming democrats, as evidenced by countless trump speeches and many in person discussions I get to have with his voters.
    I never said they were correct in placing the blame, I said they don't know who to blame.  It gets pointed at democrats, immigrants minorities etc, because they don't know who to blame.
    I think your description of them has a lot in common with the German folks who voted for Hitler 90 some years ago
    Yes I agree.

     Sadly they can't see that the politicians they voted for are the same politicians that helped erode the tax code, slash public services, cut education budgets, made it easier to offshore jobs, don't provide a social safety net or job training, made it easier to transfer wealth by not taxing stock based pay, changing paying out stock dividends in cash into paying out dividends in shares, allowed fewer companies to run healthcare based on the bottom line by slashing the amount of available beds and hospitals and focusing on upselling sometimes unnecessary tests and outpatient procedures rather than general practice etc. etc. etc,  To be fair it wasn't just R's that paved the way for this, some dems were involved as well, not to mention Milton Friedman and Jack Welch laying the framework on the business side.  All in the name of deregulation with the promise that eventually the returns would trickle to the rest of us. But here we are now and blaming the manipulated and comparing them to literal nazi's, however fair that characterization may be, is probably not going to improve the situation.

    Raising taxes and improving public services will go a lot farther. Luckily the current administration is working on it.  Unluckily the short term pain that leads to long term security is where the Republicans excel at blaming and messaging.
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    09212022 was not the greatest day for Trizzy.

    Fucker.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,823

     
    Trump docs probe: Court lifts hold on Mar-a-Lago records
    By ERIC TUCKER
    12 mins ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal appeals panel has lifted a judge's hold on the Justice Department's ability to use classified records seized from former President Donald Trump's Florida estate in its ongoing criminal investigation.

    The ruling from a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit is a victory for the Justice Department, clearing the way for it to immediately resume its use of the documents as it evaluates whether to bring criminal charges in its investigation into the presence of top-secret government records held at Mar-a-Lago after Trump left the White House.

    The government had argued that its investigation had been impeded by the order from U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon that temporarily barred investigators from continuing to use the documents in the probe. Cannon, a Trump appointee, had said the hold would remain in place pending a separate review by an independent arbiter she had appointed at the Trump team’s request.

    The FBI last month seized roughly 11,000 documents, including about 100 with classification markings, during a court-authorized search of the Palm Beach club. It has launched a criminal investigation into whether the records were mishandled or compromised. It is not clear whether Trump or anyone else will be charged.

    Cannon ruled on Sept. 5 that she would name an independent arbiter, or special master, to do an independent review of those records and segregate any that may be covered by claims of attorney-client privilege or executive privilege and to determine whether any of the materials should be returned to Trump. Raymond Dearie, the former chief judge of the federal court based in Brooklyn, has been named to the role.

    The Justice Department had argued that a special master review of the classified documents was not necessary. It said Trump, as a former president, could not invoke executive privilege over the documents, nor could they be covered by attorney-client privilege because they do not involve communications between Trump and his lawyers.

    Trump’s lawyers argued that an independent review of the records was essential given the unprecedented nature of the investigation. The lawyers also said the department had not yet proven that the seized documents were classified, though they notably stopped short of asserting — as Trump repeatedly has — that the records were previously declassified. They have resisted providing Dearie with their position on that question, signaling the issue could be part of their defense in the event of an indictment.


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