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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,785
    A notable quote from his speech tonight:

    Our troops will fight to win,” Trump said. “From now on, victory will have a clear definition: attacking our enemies, obliterating ISIS, crushing al-Qaeda, preventing the Taliban from taking over the country, and stopping mass terror attacks against Americans before they emerge.”

    What does that even mean really? Haven't we always fought to win, which in a sense is the irony of war because nobody really wins. Is it like the winning were experiencing now with all the big deals and business growth (sarcasm)? Or more along the lines of the Carrier deal and the MOAB strike; smoke screen bullshit. Sounds more like an opportunity to make patriots and xenophobes feel like real heroes again. Paint the other side as a big bad evil so we don't feel bad killing some more people, terrorist or not, in a country we've been "winning" in for 14+ years. Since when did occupation and foreign military expansion equal safer from terrorism? I guess they created the beast so diplomacy and communications efforts are an abyss.

    Queue the shock and awe highlights of the near future.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2017
    scripted speeches, who writes them?


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  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    tbergs said:
    A notable quote from his speech tonight:

    Our troops will fight to win,” Trump said. “From now on, victory will have a clear definition: attacking our enemies, obliterating ISIS, crushing al-Qaeda, preventing the Taliban from taking over the country, and stopping mass terror attacks against Americans before they emerge.”

    What does that even mean really? Haven't we always fought to win, which in a sense is the irony of war because nobody really wins. Is it like the winning were experiencing now with all the big deals and business growth (sarcasm)? Or more along the lines of the Carrier deal and the MOAB strike; smoke screen bullshit. Sounds more like an opportunity to make patriots and xenophobes feel like real heroes again. Paint the other side as a big bad evil so we don't feel bad killing some more people, terrorist or not, in a country we've been "winning" in for 14+ years. Since when did occupation and foreign military expansion equal safer from terrorism? I guess they created the beast so diplomacy and communications efforts are an abyss.

    Queue the shock and awe highlights of the near future.
    Like my Call of Duty strateg(er)y.  I can spawn back in though.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,963
    JC29856 said:
    let's me guess... Graham and Mccain will praise trumps Afghan plan, most Dems will also.
    Trump brings GOP and Dems together with the bi partisan issue of endless war.
    Hmm, sure. Your political astuteness is as about as brilliant as our resident professor. Stick to Comet Pizza, you were better at that.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    let's me guess... Graham and Mccain will praise trumps Afghan plan, most Dems will also.
    Trump brings GOP and Dems together with the bi partisan issue of endless war.
    Hmm, sure. Your political astuteness is as about as brilliant as our resident professor. Stick to Comet Pizza, you were better at that.
    Graham
    “I’m proud, I’m relieved. I’m proud of the fact that President Trump made a national security decision, not a political decision. I’m proud of the fact that he listened to the generals and most proud of the fact that he shows the will to stand up to radical Islam. I’m relieved that he did not take the advice to withdraw which would’ve been disastrous, or create a mercenary army. So I’m very pleased, very thoughtful, very inspiring speech, and I can assure you, a lot of people in Congress will be behind the president,” 


    June 14
    Yesterday afternoon, the President directed the Department of Defense to set troop levels in Afghanistan. This will enable our military to have greater agility to conduct operations, recognizing our military posture there is part of a broader regional context.

    https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Releases/News-Release-View/Article/1214597/statement-by-secretary-of-defense-jim-mattis-on-afghanistan-troop-levels/
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,963
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    let's me guess... Graham and Mccain will praise trumps Afghan plan, most Dems will also.
    Trump brings GOP and Dems together with the bi partisan issue of endless war.
    Hmm, sure. Your political astuteness is as about as brilliant as our resident professor. Stick to Comet Pizza, you were better at that.
    Graham
    “I’m proud, I’m relieved. I’m proud of the fact that President Trump made a national security decision, not a political decision. I’m proud of the fact that he listened to the generals and most proud of the fact that he shows the will to stand up to radical Islam. I’m relieved that he did not take the advice to withdraw which would’ve been disastrous, or create a mercenary army. So I’m very pleased, very thoughtful, very inspiring speech, and I can assure you, a lot of people in Congress will be behind the president,” 

    June 14
    Yesterday afternoon, the President directed the Department of Defense to set troop levels in Afghanistan. This will enable our military to have greater agility to conduct operations, recognizing our military posture there is part of a broader regional context.

    https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Releases/News-Release-View/Article/1214597/statement-by-secretary-of-defense-jim-mattis-on-afghanistan-troop-levels/
    "Most Dems will also." Hmmmm, sure.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    let's me guess... Graham and Mccain will praise trumps Afghan plan, most Dems will also.
    Trump brings GOP and Dems together with the bi partisan issue of endless war.
    Hmm, sure. Your political astuteness is as about as brilliant as our resident professor. Stick to Comet Pizza, you were better at that.
    Graham
    “I’m proud, I’m relieved. I’m proud of the fact that President Trump made a national security decision, not a political decision. I’m proud of the fact that he listened to the generals and most proud of the fact that he shows the will to stand up to radical Islam. I’m relieved that he did not take the advice to withdraw which would’ve been disastrous, or create a mercenary army. So I’m very pleased, very thoughtful, very inspiring speech, and I can assure you, a lot of people in Congress will be behind the president,” 

    June 14
    Yesterday afternoon, the President directed the Department of Defense to set troop levels in Afghanistan. This will enable our military to have greater agility to conduct operations, recognizing our military posture there is part of a broader regional context.

    https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Releases/News-Release-View/Article/1214597/statement-by-secretary-of-defense-jim-mattis-on-afghanistan-troop-levels/
    "Most Dems will also." Hmmmm, sure.
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    Afghanistan: civilian deaths at record high in 16-year war, says UN

    Child deaths rise 9% and casualties among women are up 23%, says report that cites Taliban’s homemade bombs as main cause

  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2017
    there is reportedly $1 trillion of mineral deposits in Taliban controlled areas in Afghan. These were discovered in 2014, three years after Obama pledged to wind down the war and leave Afghanistan.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/world/asia/afghanistan-trump-mineral-deposits.html
    Stephen Feinberg, jeez, who is he?
    http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/stephen-feinberg-the-private-military-contractor-who-has-trumps-ear
    DynCorp, Cerberus Capital, Freedom Group
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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    edited August 2017
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  • tbergs said:
    It's stupid stories like these that give Trump and his base reason to call CNN fake news. Who gives a shit if he looked directly at it. I would wager most of Americans did at some point, me being one because it was partially blocked by clouds. This isn't news. It's a comic strip caption at best.

    Yes, Donald Trump really did look into the sky during the solar eclipse


    because it shows just how stupid he really is. 
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    there is reportedly $1 trillion of mineral deposits in Taliban controlled areas in Afghan. These were discovered in 2014, three years after Obama pledged to wind down the war and leave Afghanistan.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/world/asia/afghanistan-trump-mineral-deposits.html
    Stephen Feinberg, jeez, who is he?
    http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/stephen-feinberg-the-private-military-contractor-who-has-trumps-ear
    DynCorp, Cerberus Capital, Freedom Group
    https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?cand=&cycle=&employ=CERBERUS&name=stephen+feinberg&order=desc&sort=A&state=&zip=

    Hatch, Romney, Trump, Quayle, Schumer,

    See who is on that list, interesting to say the least. Ben Quayle? What, why Ben Quayle?

    James Danforth "Dan" Quayle (born February 4, 1947) is an American politician and lawyer. He was the 44th Vice President of the United States from 1989 to 1993 under President George H. W. Bush. He was also a U.S. Representative (1977–81) and U.S. Senator (1981–89) from the state of Indiana.

    A native of Indianapolis, Indiana, Quayle spent most of his childhood living in Paradise Valley, Arizona, a suburb of Phoenix. He married Marilyn Tucker in 1972 and obtained his J.D. from the Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law in 1974. He practiced law in Huntington, Indiana, with his wife before his election to the United States House of Representatives in 1976, aged 29. In 1980 Quayle won election to the Senate.

    In 1988, Vice President George H. W. Bush, the Republican Party nominee for the presidency, chose Quayle as his vice presidential running mate. The Bush/Quayle ticket won the 1988 election over Democrats Michael Dukakis and Lloyd Bentsen.

    As vice president, Quayle made official visits to 47 countries[2] and was appointed chairman of the National Space Council. He secured re-nomination for vice-president in 1992, but Democrat Bill Clinton and his vice presidential running mate, Al Gore, defeated the Bush/Quayle ticket.

    In 1994, Quayle published his memoir entitled Standing Firm but declined to run for public office in this time period because he was suffering from phlebitis. He sought the Republican presidential nomination in 2000, but withdrew and supported George W. Bush. In 2016, he endorsed Jeb Bush and after that he supported Donald Trump for president. Quayle and his wife reside in Paradise Valley, Arizona.

    Quayle is currently the chairman of global investments at Cerberus Capital Management.


  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2017
    Rebuilding America Now
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/geoffrey-palmer-trump-donor-los-angeles-214130

    Any familiar names on that list? Geoffrey Palmer, Linda McMahon, Feinberg, Scaramucci


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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,748
    For all the tRump supporting rollers out there.....

    German police seize Trump-shaped ecstasy pills 
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    For all the tRump supporting rollers out there.....

    German police seize Trump-shaped ecstasy pills 
    Haha, that's just funny...Don't do drugs kids!
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,748
    They don't know if they are coming or going.....

    Halt Ordered on Study of Health Threat From Surface Mines

    A Coal Country Dispute Over an Alleged Trump Promise Unmet
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/347410-phoenix-on-high-alert-for-trump-rally

    Trump’s response to the violence at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., has become the biggest controversy to date of his presidency.
    Interesting outlook
    1. Charlottesville response
    2. Trump/Putin Collusion
    3. Comey firing
    4. Trump associates revolving door


  • JC29856 said:
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/347410-phoenix-on-high-alert-for-trump-rally

    Trump’s response to the violence at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., has become the biggest controversy to date of his presidency.
    Interesting outlook
    1. Charlottesville response
    2. Trump/Putin Collusion
    3. Comey firing
    4. Trump associates revolving door


    not surprising, given that the optics of it are that there is a white supremacist in the white house. (I don't think so, but many seem to view it as such). 
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    JC29856 said:
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/347410-phoenix-on-high-alert-for-trump-rally

    Trump’s response to the violence at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., has become the biggest controversy to date of his presidency.
    Interesting outlook
    1. Charlottesville response
    2. Trump/Putin Collusion
    3. Comey firing
    4. Trump associates revolving door


    not surprising, given that the optics of it are that there is a white supremacist in the white house. (I don't think so, but many seem to view it as such). 
    Almost equivalent to the "Muslim terrorists" in the White House before
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,939
    PJPOWER said:
    JC29856 said:
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/347410-phoenix-on-high-alert-for-trump-rally

    Trump’s response to the violence at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., has become the biggest controversy to date of his presidency.
    Interesting outlook
    1. Charlottesville response
    2. Trump/Putin Collusion
    3. Comey firing
    4. Trump associates revolving door


    not surprising, given that the optics of it are that there is a white supremacist in the white house. (I don't think so, but many seem to view it as such). 
    Almost equivalent to the "Muslim terrorists" in the White House before
    That is a profound false equivalency.
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  • PJPOWER said:
    JC29856 said:
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/347410-phoenix-on-high-alert-for-trump-rally

    Trump’s response to the violence at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., has become the biggest controversy to date of his presidency.
    Interesting outlook
    1. Charlottesville response
    2. Trump/Putin Collusion
    3. Comey firing
    4. Trump associates revolving door


    not surprising, given that the optics of it are that there is a white supremacist in the white house. (I don't think so, but many seem to view it as such). 
    Almost equivalent to the "Muslim terrorists" in the White House before
    the difference being there was zero evidence, in actions or circumstance, to suggest Obama was a muslim terrrorist. Trump a racist bigot? plenty of evidence to support that. 
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    PJPOWER said:
    JC29856 said:
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/347410-phoenix-on-high-alert-for-trump-rally

    Trump’s response to the violence at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., has become the biggest controversy to date of his presidency.
    Interesting outlook
    1. Charlottesville response
    2. Trump/Putin Collusion
    3. Comey firing
    4. Trump associates revolving door


    not surprising, given that the optics of it are that there is a white supremacist in the white house. (I don't think so, but many seem to view it as such). 
    Almost equivalent to the "Muslim terrorists" in the White House before
    the difference being there was zero evidence, in actions or circumstance, to suggest Obama was a muslim terrrorist. Trump a racist bigot? plenty of evidence to support that. 
    so far the only racist evidence presented to me is a 1975 tenant applicants lawsuit 
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2017
    PJPOWER said:
    JC29856 said:
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/347410-phoenix-on-high-alert-for-trump-rally

    Trump’s response to the violence at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., has become the biggest controversy to date of his presidency.
    Interesting outlook
    1. Charlottesville response
    2. Trump/Putin Collusion
    3. Comey firing
    4. Trump associates revolving door


    not surprising, given that the optics of it are that there is a white supremacist in the white house. (I don't think so, but many seem to view it as such). 
    Almost equivalent to the "Muslim terrorists" in the White House before
    the difference being there was zero evidence, in actions or circumstance, to suggest Obama was a muslim terrrorist. Trump a racist bigot? plenty of evidence to support that. 
    Many thought that since he refused to denounce "radical Islamic terrorism" that he was being sympathetic.  I don't know that there is any other actual evidence that Trump is a white supremacist or Nazi.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,065
    That's the thing with racism, we can say it isn't unless we see court of law style proof. Statements laden with racism and policies based on prejudice can be turned into something else with mental gymnastics. trump saying that he probably said "laziness is a trait in blacks" will be labelled hearsay. That he attributes his success to genetics can be labelled as him being stupid. When he maintained that the Central Park Five were guilty despite facts against it, we can say he's stubborn. 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,939
    edited August 2017
    Well Trump isn't a Nazi and nobody has EVER said that he is. Not all racists are Nazis you know.
    Trump has done a ton of things to show that he is sympathetic to racists, including fill his cabinet with them, and if you can't think of any examples, I guess you have already forgotten a LOT. What with the rape/druggy statement, the fucking comments about that judge, the Muslim ban, the recounted comments about blacks being lazy and only wanting men wearing yarmulkes counting his money, his stupid idea that well-educated blacks have a big advantage over well-educated whites, the way he refuses to call it terrorism when a white guy did it, they way he insisted on not calling out the white supremacists the way any decent person would have, plus he's a fucking birther. Trump has basically gone above and beyond in terms of showing us that he's racist and sympathetic or indifferent at best when it comes to white nationalists.

    And let us not forget his intense and deep seated misogyny, which is every bit as bad. Actually worse, since he's a sexual predator.

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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    What do you guys think? Does Sheriff Joe gets pardoned tonight? 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,887
    Ha...people actually believed him last year:

    Presidents have made abrupt foreign policy reversals before, often breaking with campaign pledges when presented with a new set of geopolitical realities. Trump’s reversal stands out not just for the outright vehemence with which he previously argued that America needed to put an end to its 16-year-long war—Trump has called for total US withdrawal from Afghanistan and for handing the country over to an army of mercenaries—but also because of what it says about his foreign policy at large. In the seven months since taking office, Trump has expanded military operations in YemenSyriaIraqSomaliaLibya and, now, Afghanistan. And that’s in addition to an escalated nuclear standoff with North Korea.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    What do you guys think? Does Sheriff Joe gets pardoned tonight? 
    Not tonight.  Too much of a shitstorm if he does.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,065
    trump does value a good shitstorm, though.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,636
    PJ_Soul said:
    Well Trump isn't a Nazi and nobody has EVER said that he is. Not all racists are Nazis you know.
    Trump has done a ton of things to show that he is sympathetic to racists, including fill his cabinet with them, and if you can't think of any examples, I guess you have already forgotten a LOT. What with the rape/druggy statement, the fucking comments about that judge, the Muslim ban, the recounted comments about blacks being lazy and only wanting men wearing yarmulkes counting his money, his stupid idea that well-educated blacks have a big advantage over well-educated whites, the way he refuses to call it terrorism when a white guy did it, they way he insisted on not calling out the white supremacists the way any decent person would have, plus he's a fucking birther. Trump has basically gone above and beyond in terms of showing us that he's racist and sympathetic or indifferent at best when it comes to white nationalists.

    And let us not forget his intense and deep seated misogyny, which is every bit as bad. Actually worse, since he's a sexual predator.

    Birtherism... game, set, match.
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