Donald Trump

static111

HughFreakingDillon said:

moderate R's will continue to vote R regionally, as they believe that is still a safe and ethical choice. 
moderate R's will likely not vote trump if he's on the ticket in 2024. and he desperately needs them. 

I think many moderate Rs don't want to see 4 more years of a democrat presidency and will vote for whoever is at the top of the ticket.

Cropduster-80

Gern Blansten said:

Cropduster-80 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

moderate R's will continue to vote R regionally, as they believe that is still a safe and ethical choice. 
moderate R's will likely not vote trump if he's on the ticket in 2024. and he desperately needs them. 

I really really hope you are right 

I’ve toyed with the thought of hoping trump gets the nomination for that reason.  However it’s a huge gamble 

kind of reminds me of Kansas though.  When it’s just abortion and a direct vote you’ve got 60 percent supporting pro choice.  If it’s a legislation thing, it’s 60 percent voting for republicans who will outlaw it. Kansas showed one thing.  A Democratic position can pass only when republicans don’t have to actually vote for a democrat.   It’s easier to vote for a position than it is to vote for a different party 

I'm going to be surprised if he is the nominee. Even if he says he is running soon I think he will bow out about a year from now. He will only do that to raise money and stoke his ego.

The GOP does not want that fucker to run. He'll leave before the other potential nominees have to start trashing him.

They might not want it, but they have wasted literally every opportunity to throw him under the bus.  I have to think the GOP could have been rid of him by now if they wanted it.  Even after Jan 6th if they kept up that narrative and removed him from office, people would have moved on.  As long as they let him hang around, they are stuck with him 

Halifax2TheMax

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

moderate R's will continue to vote R regionally, as they believe that is still a safe and ethical choice. 
moderate R's will likely not vote trump if he's on the ticket in 2024. and he desperately needs them. 

I think many moderate Rs don't want to see 4 more years of a democrat presidency and will vote for whoever is at the top of the ticket.

And P-O-O-T-W-H was his name-o.

HughFreakingDillon

it's the Lindsey Graham Effect. 

2015: a kook, crazy
2016: the most consequential president in history

OnWis97

Gern Blansten said:

Cropduster-80 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

moderate R's will continue to vote R regionally, as they believe that is still a safe and ethical choice. 
moderate R's will likely not vote trump if he's on the ticket in 2024. and he desperately needs them. 

I really really hope you are right 

I’ve toyed with the thought of hoping trump gets the nomination for that reason.  However it’s a huge gamble 

kind of reminds me of Kansas though.  When it’s just abortion and a direct vote you’ve got 60 percent supporting pro choice.  If it’s a legislation thing, it’s 60 percent voting for republicans who will outlaw it. Kansas showed one thing.  A Democratic position can pass only when republicans don’t have to actually vote for a democrat.   It’s easier to vote for a position than it is to vote for a different party 

I'm going to be surprised if he is the nominee. Even if he says he is running soon I think he will bow out about a year from now. He will only do that to raise money and stoke his ego.

The GOP does not want that fucker to run. He'll leave before the other potential nominees have to start trashing him.

I'm not sure other nominees will trash him. I am sure the Party would be OK if he just bowed out...in fact they'd love it. They would no longer have to walk that tightrope. But they know how much of their base worships him. I think they'll have a hard time trying to send the message of "choose me over Trump." They can't say that he ever lost an election. They can't say that he did anything wrong on January 6. They can't say he ever did anything illegal.

The best thing for the party is for Trump to "retire." Joke's on the party, though, because not only does he care about himself more than the country, but also more than the party. If he decides to run, the party is stuck continuing to suck up to him.

If he runs, there's a good chance he becomes the nominee. That said, a really small field could get interesting. Say the only notable names that run are Trump, DeSantis, and Kasich. Any way Kasich benefits off of a split "crazy" vote? I don't think the party wants Kasich...I think they want someone that will continue the path towards one-party autocracy. But that party doesn't control its primaries the way the Dems do.

If I had to guess now, Trump will bow out with DeSantis giving him the promise that he won't let anything bad happen to him or his family. DeSantis/Gabbard in an easy win.

HughFreakingDillon

Desantis should literally run on "Trump With A Brain". 

Halifax2TheMax

OnWis97 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Cropduster-80 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

moderate R's will continue to vote R regionally, as they believe that is still a safe and ethical choice. 
moderate R's will likely not vote trump if he's on the ticket in 2024. and he desperately needs them. 

I really really hope you are right 

I’ve toyed with the thought of hoping trump gets the nomination for that reason.  However it’s a huge gamble 

kind of reminds me of Kansas though.  When it’s just abortion and a direct vote you’ve got 60 percent supporting pro choice.  If it’s a legislation thing, it’s 60 percent voting for republicans who will outlaw it. Kansas showed one thing.  A Democratic position can pass only when republicans don’t have to actually vote for a democrat.   It’s easier to vote for a position than it is to vote for a different party 

I'm going to be surprised if he is the nominee. Even if he says he is running soon I think he will bow out about a year from now. He will only do that to raise money and stoke his ego.

The GOP does not want that fucker to run. He'll leave before the other potential nominees have to start trashing him.

I'm not sure other nominees will trash him. I am sure the Party would be OK if he just bowed out...in fact they'd love it. They would no longer have to walk that tightrope. But they know how much of their base worships him. I think they'll have a hard time trying to send the message of "choose me over Trump." They can't say that he ever lost an election. They can't say that he did anything wrong on January 6. They can't say he ever did anything illegal.

The best thing for the party is for Trump to "retire." Joke's on the party, though, because not only does he care about himself more than the country, but also more than the party. If he decides to run, the party is stuck continuing to suck up to him.

If he runs, there's a good chance he becomes the nominee. That said, a really small field could get interesting. Say the only notable names that run are Trump, DeSantis, and Kasich. Any way Kasich benefits off of a split "crazy" vote? I don't think the party wants Kasich...I think they want someone that will continue the path towards one-party autocracy. But that party doesn't control its primaries the way the Dems do.

If I had to guess now, Trump will bow out with DeSantis giving him the promise that he won't let anything bad happen to him or his family. DeSantis/Gabbard in an easy win.

Which is POOTWH more polished. But you forgot “Mother” in the mix and there is no way any of them criticize or slam the Dear Leader, they need that 35% of the base. Kasich won’t have the money and is considered a RINO. I’d be surprised if he makes it past NH. The nomination is POOTWH’s for the taking and he wants it to be insulated from all of the pending legal witch hunts pending. No way he declines it. POOTWH/Deathsantis in another stolen election.

OnWis97

I actually think DeSantis is meaner than Trump. Trump just did whatever he did for himself, which often involved going with the christofascist flow (despite being, I would guess, an agnostic).

DeSantis, if he could, would get draconian in punishing women and abortion providers. He's already shown he wants to go after "woke" corporations. Trump wasn't even smart enough for this, but DeSantis wants an entire country that conforms to "tradition" and those that don't should be dealt with severely.

Cropduster-80

OnWis97 said:

I actually think DeSantis is meaner than Trump. Trump just did whatever he did for himself, which often involved going with the christofascist flow (despite being, I would guess, an agnostic).

DeSantis, if he could, would get draconian in punishing women and abortion providers. He's already shown he wants to go after "woke" corporations. Trump wasn't even smart enough for this, but DeSantis wants an entire country that conforms to "tradition" and those that don't should be dealt with severely.

Wouldn’t it be wild if he lost the governor’s race in Florida?

does he still run?

it’s going to be close no matter what but I could see trump supporters voting democrat only to hurt his presidential run.  If you can’t get elected to be the governor of Florida how do you win a presidential primary?

mickeyrat

mickeyrat said:

cue halifax......

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ny-investigation-testimony-a4e6264d44b194d24dfb916ffc7f51ca

 

Trump says he took the Fifth Amendment in NY investigation

By MICHAEL BALSAMO, MICHAEL R. SISAK and MICHELLE L. PRICE

14 mins ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump invoked the Fifth Amendment and wouldn't answer questions under oath in the New York attorney general's long-running civil investigation into his business dealings, the former president said in a statement Wednesday.

Trump arrived at state Attorney General Letitia James' offices in a motorcade shortly before 9 a.m., announcing more than an hour later that he "declined to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution.”

“I once asked, ‘If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?' Now I know the answer to that question,” the statement said. “When your family, your company, and all the people in your orbit have become the targets of an unfounded politically motivated Witch Hunt supported by lawyers, prosecutors and the Fake News Media, you have no choice.”

continues......

nothing?

Cropduster-80

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

cue halifax......

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ny-investigation-testimony-a4e6264d44b194d24dfb916ffc7f51ca

 

Trump says he took the Fifth Amendment in NY investigation

By MICHAEL BALSAMO, MICHAEL R. SISAK and MICHELLE L. PRICE

14 mins ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump invoked the Fifth Amendment and wouldn't answer questions under oath in the New York attorney general's long-running civil investigation into his business dealings, the former president said in a statement Wednesday.

Trump arrived at state Attorney General Letitia James' offices in a motorcade shortly before 9 a.m., announcing more than an hour later that he "declined to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution.”

“I once asked, ‘If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?' Now I know the answer to that question,” the statement said. “When your family, your company, and all the people in your orbit have become the targets of an unfounded politically motivated Witch Hunt supported by lawyers, prosecutors and the Fake News Media, you have no choice.”

continues......

nothing?

I thought his quote on why was classic trump 

Halifax2TheMax

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

cue halifax......

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ny-investigation-testimony-a4e6264d44b194d24dfb916ffc7f51ca

 

Trump says he took the Fifth Amendment in NY investigation

By MICHAEL BALSAMO, MICHAEL R. SISAK and MICHELLE L. PRICE

14 mins ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump invoked the Fifth Amendment and wouldn't answer questions under oath in the New York attorney general's long-running civil investigation into his business dealings, the former president said in a statement Wednesday.

Trump arrived at state Attorney General Letitia James' offices in a motorcade shortly before 9 a.m., announcing more than an hour later that he "declined to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution.”

“I once asked, ‘If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?' Now I know the answer to that question,” the statement said. “When your family, your company, and all the people in your orbit have become the targets of an unfounded politically motivated Witch Hunt supported by lawyers, prosecutors and the Fake News Media, you have no choice.”

continues......

nothing?

There was no collusion.”

“I don’t know any Russians.”

“I have nothing to hide.”

“I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”

“We do everything by the book.”

“Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

“Very legal, very cool.”

“Fully exonerated.”

“Essentially no obstruction.”

“Very friendly and totally appropriate.”

“No quid pro quo.”

“Imminent threat.”

“I thought he was Israeli.”

“I don’t know what a burner phone is.”

Cropduster-80

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

cue halifax......

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ny-investigation-testimony-a4e6264d44b194d24dfb916ffc7f51ca

 

Trump says he took the Fifth Amendment in NY investigation

By MICHAEL BALSAMO, MICHAEL R. SISAK and MICHELLE L. PRICE

14 mins ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump invoked the Fifth Amendment and wouldn't answer questions under oath in the New York attorney general's long-running civil investigation into his business dealings, the former president said in a statement Wednesday.

Trump arrived at state Attorney General Letitia James' offices in a motorcade shortly before 9 a.m., announcing more than an hour later that he "declined to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution.”

“I once asked, ‘If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?' Now I know the answer to that question,” the statement said. “When your family, your company, and all the people in your orbit have become the targets of an unfounded politically motivated Witch Hunt supported by lawyers, prosecutors and the Fake News Media, you have no choice.”

continues......

nothing?

There was no collusion.”

“I don’t know any Russians.”

“I have nothing to hide.”

“I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”

“We do everything by the book.”

“Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

“Very legal, very cool.”

“Fully exonerated.”

“Essentially no obstruction.”

“Very friendly and totally appropriate.”

“No quid pro quo.”

“Imminent threat.”

“I thought he was Israeli.”

“I don’t know what a burner phone is.”

“I would bet if you took a poll in the FBI I would win that poll by more than anybody’s won a poll.”

Fox & Friends, 6/15/18

Halifax2TheMax

From the NYT email blast:

Good morning. What should you make of the F.B.I.’s search of Donald Trump’s home? We offer a guide.

 

Donald Trump in Las Vegas last month.Roger Kisby for The New York Times

Two scenarios

 

Perhaps the central question about the F.B.I.’s search of Donald Trump’s Florida home is whether it is a relatively narrow attempt to recover classified documents — or much more than that.

Either scenario is plausible at this point. The Justice Department has long been aggressive about investigating former officials whom it suspects of improperly handling classified material, including Hillary Clinton and David Petraeus. If the F.B.I. search merely leads to a legalistic debate about what’s classified, it probably will not damage Trump’s political future.

 

But it also seems possible that the search is a sign of a major new legal problem for him. People familiar with the search told The Times that it was not related to the Justice Department’s investigation into the Jan. 6 attack and Trump’s role in it. And it’s unlikely that Merrick Garland, the attorney general, would have allowed the search-warrant request — or that a federal judge would have approved it, as was required — unless it involved something important.

“I don’t think you get a judge to sign off on a search warrant for an ex-president’s house lightly,” Charlie Savage, a Times reporter who has been covering legal issues since the George W. Bush administration. “I think the world looks pretty different today than it did 48 hours ago.” (It’s even possible that Trump could be prosecuted over classified documents alone, although that might not keep him from holding office again.)

 

Support for Trump outside Mar-a-Lago yesterday.Saul Martinez for The New York Times

As Charlie emphasizes, there is still much more that’s unknown about the search than known. That probably won’t change until the Justice Department gets much closer to making a decision about how to conclude its investigation. “A central tenet of the way in which the Justice Department investigates and a central tenet of the rule of law is that we do not do our investigations in public,” Garland recently said.

 

But at least two big points seem clear. First, even though Garland has said that nobody is above the law, the Justice Department will not treat Trump like any other citizen. The bar for filing criminal charges against him will be higher, given that he is a former president who may run again — against the current president.

“The considerations when you’re talking about a political leader are certainly different and harder,” Andrew Goldstein, a former federal prosecutor who investigated Trump’s ties to Russia, recently told The Times. “You have the very clear and important rule that the Department of Justice should try in every way possible not to interfere with elections, to not take steps using the criminal process that could end up affecting the political process.”

 

Still, some legal experts who previously criticized Garland for moving too timidly in investigating Trump said they were encouraged by the Justice Department’s recent signs of boldness, including the Mar-a-Lago search. Andrew Weissmann, another former prosecutor who previously investigated Trump, is one of those experts (as he explained in this New Yorker interview). Quinta Jurecic, a senior editor at Lawfare, is another. “At what point does not investigating and not prosecuting a former president itself indicate that the rule of law is being undermined because it sends a signal that this person is above the law?” Jurecic told us.

She added: “That doesn’t mean that this is going to translate to an indictment of the president.”

 

The second point is that Trump appears to be a subject of multiple criminal investigations — and prosecutors may decide that his violations of the law were so significant as to deserve prosecution. One of those investigations is by state prosecutors in Georgia, who may not be as cautious about charging a former president as Garland seems likely to be.

Either way, the answer will probably become clear well before November 2024. Prosecutors — especially at the Justice Department — generally try to avoid making announcements about investigations into political candidates during a campaign. (James Comey’s decision to ignore that tradition and announce he had reopened an investigation into Clinton late in the 2016 campaign was a notable exception, and many experts believe he erred in doing so.)

 

The rest of today’s newsletter summarizes the latest Times reporting about the F.B.I. search of Mar-a-Lago — and also gives you a quick overview of the multiple investigations Trump is facing.

The latest

 

Before the raid, Justice Department officials had grown concerned that Trump had kept some documents, despite returning others. If convicted, could Trump be barred from holding office? A relevant law is untested.

The Justice Department did not give the White House advance notice of the search, President Biden’s press secretary said. Representative Scott Perry, a Pennsylvania Republican who pushed to overturn Trump’s loss, said the F.B.I. had seized his cellphone.

 

The Trump investigations

Prosecutors in Georgia are investigating efforts by Trump and his allies to overturn his 2020 election loss there, including a phone call in which Trump asked an election official to “find” additional votes. The Times’s Annie Karni explains the possible charges. The Justice Department is also questioning witnesses before a grand jury about Trump’s efforts to reverse his election loss. And federal prosecutors are examining his allies’ plan to submit fake electors from key states to disrupt certification of Biden’s win. Trump faces a few other investigations, some of which could result in civil but not criminal penalties. The main exception is a criminal inquiry into his business by the Manhattan district attorney, but that seems to have unraveled. Trump will face questioning under oath today by the New York attorney general’s office, which is investigating his business practices.

 

Gern Blansten

https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1557399008645193731

Cropduster-80

Everyone so far has been an insider or a former loyalist. All through his presidency, the Jan 6 hearings, and this. 

the democrats don’t need to do a thing, except get blamed for the liberal witch hunt 

HughFreakingDillon

it was Melania. 

I Know Where The Documents Are...Do You?

Lerxst1992

Cropduster-80 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Cropduster-80 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

moderate R's will continue to vote R regionally, as they believe that is still a safe and ethical choice. 
moderate R's will likely not vote trump if he's on the ticket in 2024. and he desperately needs them. 

I really really hope you are right 

I’ve toyed with the thought of hoping trump gets the nomination for that reason.  However it’s a huge gamble 

kind of reminds me of Kansas though.  When it’s just abortion and a direct vote you’ve got 60 percent supporting pro choice.  If it’s a legislation thing, it’s 60 percent voting for republicans who will outlaw it. Kansas showed one thing.  A Democratic position can pass only when republicans don’t have to actually vote for a democrat.   It’s easier to vote for a position than it is to vote for a different party 

I'm going to be surprised if he is the nominee. Even if he says he is running soon I think he will bow out about a year from now. He will only do that to raise money and stoke his ego.

The GOP does not want that fucker to run. He'll leave before the other potential nominees have to start trashing him.

They might not want it, but they have wasted literally every opportunity to throw him under the bus.  I have to think the GOP could have been rid of him by now if they wanted it.  Even after Jan 6th if they kept up that narrative and removed him from office, people would have moved on.  As long as they let him hang around, they are stuck with him 

Yeah, there’s been so much evidence since the most recent Jan six hearings, to conclude the Rs are still on board with this fella. The extremists are no matter what, and the very few “reasonable moderates “ shrug and vote R no matter what. Some of the public defense of trump by moderates in the senate since the raid has been startling, considering the overwhelming amount of evidence he tried to overthrow the govt and their impeachment defense was exposed as a complete lie.

Whether  it’s Cruz trying to incite violence against democratic citizens, or Rs using the courts, using gerrymandering or independent legislature theories, they are in the process of taking full control of the country, whether they shoot at us or not. And of course 2A gives them latitude if they choose.

To many, it’s just politics, just both sides, and they want to continue with their peaceful American love story successes no matter what America looks like in two and a half years.

cutz

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

cue halifax......

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ny-investigation-testimony-a4e6264d44b194d24dfb916ffc7f51ca

 

Trump says he took the Fifth Amendment in NY investigation

By MICHAEL BALSAMO, MICHAEL R. SISAK and MICHELLE L. PRICE

14 mins ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump invoked the Fifth Amendment and wouldn't answer questions under oath in the New York attorney general's long-running civil investigation into his business dealings, the former president said in a statement Wednesday.

Trump arrived at state Attorney General Letitia James' offices in a motorcade shortly before 9 a.m., announcing more than an hour later that he "declined to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution.”

“I once asked, ‘If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?' Now I know the answer to that question,” the statement said. “When your family, your company, and all the people in your orbit have become the targets of an unfounded politically motivated Witch Hunt supported by lawyers, prosecutors and the Fake News Media, you have no choice.”

continues......

nothing?

https://twitter.com/rocandscott/status/1557428687162720256

Halifax2TheMax

And so it begins. I know its the Daily Mail but still, it's coming.

EXCLUSIVE: Locked and loaded: Palm Beach police have received intelligence warning that armed pro-Trump protesters are planning to descend on Mar-a-Lago following FBI raid

• Palm Beach police have requested that all departments in Palm Beach County be on the lookout for armed motorists near Donald Trump's home
• Supporters of the former president began arriving in their cars and camped out outside former President Trump's Mar-a-Lago last night
• They arrived shortly after it emerged that the FBI was searching the former president's home as part of an investigation into whether he took classified documents from the White House to his Florida residence 
• 'These are dark times for our Nation, as my beautiful home, Mar-A-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, is currently under siege, raided, and occupied by a large group of FBI agents,' Trump said in statement
• He accused the FBI of a double standard and said the bureau 'allowed' Hillary Clinton to 'acid wash' 33,000 emails
• His family members and supporters say the raid was an attempt to thwart a potential 2024 campaign

Palm Beach police have notified surrounding police departments, including the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office, that it received intelligence today informing them that armed pro-Trump protesters are expected near Mar-a-Lago following last night's FBI raid, a Florida law enforcement source has told DailyMail.com.

The Palm Beach police has notified surrounding departments in the county, requesting that all departments be on the lookout for armed motorists parking near Donald Trump's home in the coming hours.

Protesters often park in the parking lot of a Publix supermarket on Southern Boulevard in West Palm Beach and walk to the area of the property, where street parking is not allowed.

Dozens of furious Trump supporters began to descend on Mar-a-Lago last night shortly after he revealed the FBI had raided his  house as part of an investigation into whether he took classified records from the White House to the Florida residence.

Trump, disclosing the search in a lengthy statement, claimed that agents had opened up a safe at his home and described their work as an 'unannounced raid' that he called 'prosecutorial misconduct.'

He accused the FBI of a double standard, claiming the bureau 'allowed' Hillary Clinton to 'acid wash' 33,000 emails from her time as secretary of state. 

Those in his camp said the raid was a clear attempt to thwart a potential 2024 presidential run.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11096513/Palm-Beach-police-expecting-armed-pro-Trump-protesters-descend-Mar-Lago-raid.html

@mrussel1 check some of the photos in the above link. These people don't concern you?