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is there a liberal version of tucker carlson people on this forum have been watching that I'm not aware of? my lord.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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Why? The civil war stuff? Far right is openly talking about it and they've already attempted to thwart the certification of the last election, and they are currently running for local and state levels of government to tip the scales of future elections....is it not far fetched to think they might try something else?HughFreakingDillon said:is there a liberal version of tucker carlson people on this forum have been watching that I'm not aware of? my lord.Post edited by The Juggler onwww.myspace.com0 -
I would think some of the people who thought they were ready to take up arms for tfg have had second thoughts after seeing what’s happened to some of the 1/6 participants. He played those people for fools.I am concerned about localized violence in some parts of the country. I’m not at all however, worried about a civil war. Not at this point.0
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They said trump would beat Clinton… he didHughFreakingDillon said:is there a liberal version of tucker carlson people on this forum have been watching that I'm not aware of? my lord.
they said they were going to storm the capital… they did
they said there is a civil war coming
they said a lot of other stuff too that seemed crazy at the time. They did it all
im just listening to themPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
No, just Tucker Carlson.HughFreakingDillon said:is there a liberal version of tucker carlson people on this forum have been watching that I'm not aware of? my lord.0 -
Some folks really haven’t been paying attention since at least before Charlottesville unless you think our intelligence services are Fucker Carlson adherents when they claimed the greatest terrorism threat to the US currently is domestic terrorists in the form of white supremacy and white nationalism. Hey, but 1/6 was a tourist visit, right?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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the "theys" in these scenarios are all from a wide cross section of people, not one group. Michael Moore, for example, falls into group number 1.Cropduster-80 said:
They said trump would beat Clinton… he didHughFreakingDillon said:is there a liberal version of tucker carlson people on this forum have been watching that I'm not aware of? my lord.
they said they were going to storm the capital… they did
they said there is a civil war coming
they said a lot of other stuff too that seemed crazy at the time. They did it all
im just listening to them
civil war is a far, far cry from a few thousand people storming the capitol.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
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I do know. Again, that's my point. Bundy and crew knew that too. But if we really were having a "civil war", they would be wiped out. These guys are cos players and only the morons don't know how they have zero chance against the govt.Halifax2TheMax said:
Stop and think about what a drone strike on US citizens, on US soil, in the absence of due process would result in. For just a minute. Guess you don’t think that would be a “bad thing?” Good lord is this country fucked.mrussel1 said:
Yeah these guys were a real threat to the US govt. A drone could have wiped them out if the govt were inclined to do so. Their power came from the knowledge that the the govt wouldn't harm them unless in defense. Seriously, you think they couldn't have been eliminated in ten minutes?Halifax2TheMax said:mrussel1 said:
I remember 10 guys holed up. They didn't get close to taking over the country.Halifax2TheMax said:
Bad things happening take time. Wait until he's arrested and charged with a crime, remanded to home confinement with an ankle monitor and surrenders his passport(s). Remember the Bundy Ranch?mrussel1 said:Where are the protests and violence today? Is there a news blackout? Surely 35% of the country is marching to war, singing the Grapes of Wrath.
You guys are making my point about how all this talk is fanciful.
I was on a plane to Chicago yesterday and was picked up by the ceo of one of our suppliers. He's a legging R. He don't give a crap about Trump or this. I asked him these same questions and his attitude was as I suspected. No way is he giving up anything for the idiot Trump.Please consider your perspective. Your professional and likely personal circle of Rs are probably a hell of a lot more moderate than trumps base. The ones who will believe any lie, any, mouthed by any trump supporter.
Two things to consider, seemingly unrelated, that make moderate Rs almost as dangerous as the base. 1, the dangerous rhetoric of Ted Cruz, encouraging violence against democrats. Not saying he will be successful, but there have been far too many psychos weaponized by this right wing rhetoric since trump emerged. When will “reasonable moderates” stand up in unison and declare they are leaving the party after Jan six (and Cruz’ violent rhetoric) and the continued violence against Americans that plenty of powerful Rs currently espouse.
2, trumps lawyer attacking the DOJ, openly saying they have nothing from the raid and this was an outrageous attack against a former president. This is giving the base even more power currently, and moderates have been complicit, at least according to polling and primaries. All that momentum supposedly gained by the hearings? Seemingly gone in a week. Who is to blame? A lot of that blame falls on moderates.
these two are not alone, but I highlight as an example of how dangerous the base is. What makes moderates dangerous, perhaps professional colleagues of yours, is many of them will vote R no matter what, even in the face of this dishonest and violent rhetoric. The moderates are handing the extremists their power. If you have any doubts, consider how many primaries election deniers have won this spring/summer.0 -
Mainstream republicans are scared of them too. However, whatever they start is going to force sides to be taken. They haven’t shown any indication they won’t go along with the fringe. They always doHughFreakingDillon said:
the "theys" in these scenarios are all from a wide cross section of people, not one group. Michael Moore, for example, falls into group number 1.Cropduster-80 said:
They said trump would beat Clinton… he didHughFreakingDillon said:is there a liberal version of tucker carlson people on this forum have been watching that I'm not aware of? my lord.
they said they were going to storm the capital… they did
they said there is a civil war coming
they said a lot of other stuff too that seemed crazy at the time. They did it all
im just listening to them
civil war is a far, far cry from a few thousand people storming the capitol.
it’s not that far fetched to see how it snowballs into 70 million people.
WW1 started when everyone got dragged into a regional issue. Our civil war had people who couldn’t fight against their home states. Look at Robert E Lee. He was offered the Union job but couldn’t fight against Virginia. I don’t think he was a true believer
might be a small risk, but the risk isn’t zero. History is littered with empires that crumbled. Every one does eventually no matter how improbable it seemedPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
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Mainstream republicans are scared of them too. However, whatever they start is going to force sides to be taken. They haven’t shown any indication they won’t go along with the fringe. They always doHughFreakingDillon said:
the "theys" in these scenarios are all from a wide cross section of people, not one group. Michael Moore, for example, falls into group number 1.Cropduster-80 said:
They said trump would beat Clinton… he didHughFreakingDillon said:is there a liberal version of tucker carlson people on this forum have been watching that I'm not aware of? my lord.
they said they were going to storm the capital… they did
they said there is a civil war coming
they said a lot of other stuff too that seemed crazy at the time. They did it all
im just listening to them
civil war is a far, far cry from a few thousand people storming the capitol.
it’s not that far fetched to see how it snowballs into 70 million people.
WW1 started when everyone got dragged into a regional issue. Our civil war had people who couldn’t fight against their home states. Look at Robert E Lee. He was offered the Union job but couldn’t fight against Virginia. I don’t think he was a true believer
might be a small risk, but the risk isn’t zeroI’ve pushed the same thought with mr russ, moderates are almost as dangerous as the base, since there are clearly not enough of them to control the party, and moderates will likely vote R because trump and others know the simple talking points that keep them in line, and handing power to the extremists of the party.
To Hugh’s point, I think plenty are forgetting the civil war can be bloodless. When there are moderates and independents willing to shrug their shoulders after trump, after all the crap they put the country through? We see that even on this liberal forum all the time. Rs control 25 states, are using gerrymandering to control certain swing states, they have a stranglehold on the courts, and are planning to use state legislatures to control the White House and all federal elections. How is this not a bloodless civil war?Where are the wave of 2018 voters who said 2017-2018 trumpism was disgusting and he needs to go? A lot of them returned to the Rs in 2020, and according to polls, a lot more will be voting R this year. After Jan 6? After Cruz threatening violence against American citizens? Really independents and moderates?
as a footnote, Of the ten House Rs who voted to impeach just last year , as of this morning, 8 are gone.0 -
moderate R's will continue to vote R regionally, as they believe that is still a safe and ethical choice.
moderate R's will likely not vote trump if he's on the ticket in 2024. and he desperately needs them.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I really really hope you are rightHughFreakingDillon said:moderate R's will continue to vote R regionally, as they believe that is still a safe and ethical choice.
moderate R's will likely not vote trump if he's on the ticket in 2024. and he desperately needs them.
I’ve toyed with the thought of hoping trump gets the nomination for that reason. However it’s a huge gamble
kind of reminds me of Kansas though. When it’s just abortion and a direct vote you’ve got 60 percent supporting pro choice. If it’s a legislation thing, it’s 60 percent voting for republicans who will outlaw it. Kansas showed one thing. A Democratic position can pass only when republicans don’t have to actually vote for a democrat. It’s easier to vote for a position than it is to vote for a different partyPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
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cue halifax......Trump says he took the Fifth Amendment in NY investigationBy MICHAEL BALSAMO, MICHAEL R. SISAK and MICHELLE L. PRICE14 mins ago
NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump invoked the Fifth Amendment and wouldn't answer questions under oath in the New York attorney general's long-running civil investigation into his business dealings, the former president said in a statement Wednesday.
Trump arrived at state Attorney General Letitia James' offices in a motorcade shortly before 9 a.m., announcing more than an hour later that he "declined to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution.”
“I once asked, ‘If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?' Now I know the answer to that question,” the statement said. “When your family, your company, and all the people in your orbit have become the targets of an unfounded politically motivated Witch Hunt supported by lawyers, prosecutors and the Fake News Media, you have no choice.”
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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The civil war was regional. The political affiliation today is rural v urban. I really don't think that are good analogies.Cropduster-80 said:
Mainstream republicans are scared of them too. However, whatever they start is going to force sides to be taken. They haven’t shown any indication they won’t go along with the fringe. They always doHughFreakingDillon said:
the "theys" in these scenarios are all from a wide cross section of people, not one group. Michael Moore, for example, falls into group number 1.Cropduster-80 said:
They said trump would beat Clinton… he didHughFreakingDillon said:is there a liberal version of tucker carlson people on this forum have been watching that I'm not aware of? my lord.
they said they were going to storm the capital… they did
they said there is a civil war coming
they said a lot of other stuff too that seemed crazy at the time. They did it all
im just listening to them
civil war is a far, far cry from a few thousand people storming the capitol.
it’s not that far fetched to see how it snowballs into 70 million people.
WW1 started when everyone got dragged into a regional issue. Our civil war had people who couldn’t fight against their home states. Look at Robert E Lee. He was offered the Union job but couldn’t fight against Virginia. I don’t think he was a true believer
might be a small risk, but the risk isn’t zero. History is littered with empires that crumbled. Every one does eventually no matter how improbable it seemed0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:is there a liberal version of tucker carlson people on this forum have been watching that I'm not aware of? my lord.
Rachel Maddcow?Scio me nihil scire
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I'm going to be surprised if he is the nominee. Even if he says he is running soon I think he will bow out about a year from now. He will only do that to raise money and stoke his ego.Cropduster-80 said:
I really really hope you are rightHughFreakingDillon said:moderate R's will continue to vote R regionally, as they believe that is still a safe and ethical choice.
moderate R's will likely not vote trump if he's on the ticket in 2024. and he desperately needs them.
I’ve toyed with the thought of hoping trump gets the nomination for that reason. However it’s a huge gamble
kind of reminds me of Kansas though. When it’s just abortion and a direct vote you’ve got 60 percent supporting pro choice. If it’s a legislation thing, it’s 60 percent voting for republicans who will outlaw it. Kansas showed one thing. A Democratic position can pass only when republicans don’t have to actually vote for a democrat. It’s easier to vote for a position than it is to vote for a different party
The GOP does not want that fucker to run. He'll leave before the other potential nominees have to start trashing him.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Not at all.static111 said:HughFreakingDillon said:is there a liberal version of tucker carlson people on this forum have been watching that I'm not aware of? my lord.
Rachel Maddcow?
She can be just as biased without being as dishonest and hyperbolic.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
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