Donald Trump

gimmesometruth27

Kat said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

honest question: do you think Trump's nomination would be good for dems or bad? I honestly have no idea at this point. (I suppose it also depends who the dems run-I just can't see it being biden)

It's bad for everyone.  And with the cult of personality he would have a chance to win for sure.  Can you imagine Trump with another term after sitting out 4 years.  Dude will be insufferable and more damaging than previously.

I'm thinking his sole focus would be revenge and payback.
Feel well soon, cincy.

i agree. and probably just not on the dems. but revenge against the non loyal gop, and maybe even revenge on other countries.

i'm sorry, cincy. i just realized i did not wish you a speedy recovery. hope you feel better soon.

nicknyr15

HughFreakingDillon said:

honest question: do you think Trump's nomination would be good for dems or bad? I honestly have no idea at this point. (I suppose it also depends who the dems run-I just can't see it being biden)

It’s terrible for everyone. He needs to stay out of the way. He had his chance, he could have won re- election if he stopped pandering to the dumbest, lowest type of republican out there. He absolutely blew it the last year of his presidency, luckily. 

gimmesometruth27

can you imagine the republican primary debates? i bet most of them will end up canceled. they cannot be allowed to proceed and make trump look inferior to the other candidates.

he did terrible in 2016, but he scored points by making fun of the people he was running against. i imagine that is going to be his strategy this time. that, and a healthy dose of "imagine how beautiful everything would be if the election had not been stolen from me, and the american people."

HughFreakingDillon

k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?

OnWis97

HughFreakingDillon said:

k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?

I don't even know if it matters at this point. Right now, there's a huge movement rooted entirely in "Libs/Dems are the enemy" without an ounce of real meaning or substance. DeSantis? Trump? Another Trump? Some other MAGA? The question is whether enough people will vote D to combat the huge number of people who believe with all their hearts that Democrats are the Enemy of America.

I'd say the Dems have slightly more of a chance to beat MAGA than some middle-of-the-road GOPer like Evan McMullen but today's GOP is nominating MAGA.  

One caveat...the best possibility for the Dems is if DeSantis gets the nomination in a hotly contested race vs. Trump and Trump focuses his revenge on the GOP by running third. Personally, I think the GOP is smart enough to make sure that doesn't happen; i.e., if Trump wants the nomination, he'll get it.

It's probably more of a function of who runs for the Democrats.

static111

HughFreakingDillon said:

k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?

Depends who the Dems run.  Biden again or Hillary and I think Trump would win.  Not sure who could beat him.  Things are bad for the average swing voter/working class that voted for Biden at the risk of Trump winning term 2.  A lot of those voters are thinking about how good things were for the first three years of Trump, no supply chain issues, low inflation etc.  Now we have high inflation, supply chain issues, a new variant and though all the blame can't be heaped on Joe he is at the helm.  Trump coming back and saying remember how good it was before the democrats took over could be a good platform in 24 almost as good as vote for any democrat to keep Trump out of office was in '20.

gimmesometruth27

if trump runs again the dems have an easier path.

trump lost the popular vote twice. last time by 7 million votes. with the way he has carried on and refused to accept that he lost fair and square he has alienated a lot of swing voters. his actions on 1/6 have also alienated many americans. 

i predict the only way trump has a chance is if states change voter laws to make it more difficult to vote, and dems run a candidate that keeps loyal dem voters from coming out to vote.

trump had his chance. he lost the 2nd time around. he was impeached twice. he encouraged an insurrection. he will not win again if he runs.

gimmesometruth27

these days more people turn out to vote against someone than to vote for someone.

The Juggler

HughFreakingDillon said:

k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?

I think it would absolutely give the dems a better chance no matter who is on the ticket. Once Trump's in the race and running again, the whole country will be forced to remember how terrible his presidency was (right now-other than the Trump cult, I think most people have enjoyed not seeing him on social media and tv all the time) and how badly they handled and politicized the pandemic from the start. That's why I said earlier it would be good for them if he runs. I would be much more concerned with someone like DeSantis. I've been saying that for months now. 

But I also agree it would be devastating for humanity as a whole to simply have the possibility of him winning again. And of course the discourse would be even more disgusting and vengeful than 20202 and 2016.....however this shit will motivate more people to vote against him than for him just like the other two times he ran. This is why the new bogus law republicans have passed in so many states need to be neutered by congress. 

OnWis97

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?

Depends who the Dems run.  Biden again or Hillary and I think Trump would win.  Not sure who could beat him.  Things are bad for the average swing voter/working class that voted for Biden at the risk of Trump winning term 2.  A lot of those voters are thinking about how good things were for the first three years of Trump, no supply chain issues, low inflation etc.  Now we have high inflation, supply chain issues, a new variant and though all the blame can't be heaped on Joe he is at the helm.  Trump coming back and saying remember how good it was before the democrats took over could be a good platform in 24 almost as good as vote for any democrat to keep Trump out of office was in '20.

That's a huge problem for the party at the presidential level. They really don't have a deep bench. After Obama ran out of eligibility, there really was nobody to assume the role as Energetic, Likeable Face of the Party. And all that's happened since is that the same old people have gotten older. There were good things to say about certain candidates like Klobuchar, Warren, Pete, Booker, and a few others. But none of them captured a crowd like Obama did. And, for that matter, like Clinton did when he hit the national scene (for as detestable as he turned out, he was refreshing when the GOP was super old in 1992). For me personally, Warren was some of that; not very young, of course, but energetic. But I recognized quickly, she didn't have a true shot.

Democrats tend to win on a personality like Obama's; someone that people gravitate towards (and that causes those people to gravitate towards the polls).  Biden wasn't really that guy; he just wasn't Trump...but will that work again? I would not bank on it...it would be far better for the next Obama to come along but if that happens, it's going to be out of nowhere.

Now Trump is obviously a detestable human being. But that doesn't offset the Dems' problem because he's a cult leader. He doesn't have to be young, vibrant, attractive, articulate, or intelligent. He just needs to say "it's everyone against us." And this probably carries on to whoever the nominee is.

The Juggler

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?

Depends who the Dems run.  Biden again or Hillary and I think Trump would win.  Not sure who could beat him.  Things are bad for the average swing voter/working class that voted for Biden at the risk of Trump winning term 2.  A lot of those voters are thinking about how good things were for the first three years of Trump, no supply chain issues, low inflation etc.  Now we have high inflation, supply chain issues, a new variant and though all the blame can't be heaped on Joe he is at the helm.  Trump coming back and saying remember how good it was before the democrats took over could be a good platform in 24 almost as good as vote for any democrat to keep Trump out of office was in '20.

Disagree with a lot of this. Especially the "remember how great things were" part. The election is in three years, not three months. The problems you are citing are going to be issues for the midterms but are expected to dissipate well before 2024. By that time Biden or whoever runs will be able to tout America's Comeback.  

The Juggler

gimmesometruth27 said:

can you imagine the republican primary debates? i bet most of them will end up canceled. they cannot be allowed to proceed and make trump look inferior to the other candidates.

he did terrible in 2016, but he scored points by making fun of the people he was running against. i imagine that is going to be his strategy this time. that, and a healthy dose of "imagine how beautiful everything would be if the election had not been stolen from me, and the american people."

Yeah if Trump runs, all the others will bow out. Except for the likes of Larry Hogan, or maybe Cheney or Kinzinger or some of the other few remaining republicans who have some semblance of decency left. There are not many, obviously, and they would all have next to no chance with that cult. 

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?

Anyone but tRump would be good for the Dems in my opinion.  The tRumpsters won't be fired up for anyone else.

The Juggler

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?

Anyone but tRump would be good for the Dems in my opinion.  The tRumpsters won't be fired up for anyone else.

It would also be less motivating for the anti Trump crowd, of which there are millions more. 

static111

The Juggler said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?

Depends who the Dems run.  Biden again or Hillary and I think Trump would win.  Not sure who could beat him.  Things are bad for the average swing voter/working class that voted for Biden at the risk of Trump winning term 2.  A lot of those voters are thinking about how good things were for the first three years of Trump, no supply chain issues, low inflation etc.  Now we have high inflation, supply chain issues, a new variant and though all the blame can't be heaped on Joe he is at the helm.  Trump coming back and saying remember how good it was before the democrats took over could be a good platform in 24 almost as good as vote for any democrat to keep Trump out of office was in '20.

Disagree with a lot of this. Especially the "remember how great things were" part. The election is in three years, not three months. The problems you are citing are going to be issues for the midterms but are expected to dissipate well before 2024. By that time Biden or whoever runs will be able to tout America's Comeback.  

I agree if we don't get yet another variant that causes a slow down.  A lot of things need to be sweet as apple pie by 2024 for the Dems to come from a place of strength, and with Sinema and Manchin seemingly blocking progress I just don't see that happening, especially if the R's sweep the mid terms.

static111

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?

Anyone but tRump would be good for the Dems in my opinion.  The tRumpsters won't be fired up for anyone else.

It would also be less motivating for the anti Trump crowd, of which there are millions more. 

I think this is where people are underestimating things.  Among my liberal friends and those into politics sure.  For my apolitical friends that vote or for republicans, I don't think that anti Trump sentiment is anywhere near what it once was. Like I said in the previous post, if Biden and Co do clean things up before '24 I agree with you that Trump won't be a problem.  We will just have to see how it goes.

The Juggler

static111 said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?

Anyone but tRump would be good for the Dems in my opinion.  The tRumpsters won't be fired up for anyone else.

It would also be less motivating for the anti Trump crowd, of which there are millions more. 

I think this is where people are underestimating things.  Among my liberal friends and those into politics sure.  For my apolitical friends that vote or for republicans, I don't think that anti Trump sentiment is anywhere near what it once was. Like I said in the previous post, if Biden and Co do clean things up before '24 I agree with you that Trump won't be a problem.  We will just have to see how it goes.

Those republican friends wouldn't help the dems much anyway.

The other folks are the ones I mentioned trying to forget Trump right now. But if he is running again, they will have no choice but be inundated with images of a twice impeached president botching and politicizing a pandemic, refusing to admit defeat, and then failing to essentially, overthrow our democracy. Advantage: whoever is running against that guy. lol

Halifax2TheMax

gimmesometruth27 said:

if trump runs again the dems have an easier path.

trump lost the popular vote twice. last time by 7 million votes. with the way he has carried on and refused to accept that he lost fair and square he has alienated a lot of swing voters. his actions on 1/6 have also alienated many americans. 

i predict the only way trump has a chance is if states change voter laws to make it more difficult to vote, and dems run a candidate that keeps loyal dem voters from coming out to vote.

trump had his chance. he lost the 2nd time around. he was impeached twice. he encouraged an insurrection. he will not win again if he runs.

Its already happened. Not to mention the POOTWH loyalists have replaced Secretary of States or changed the law so that a simple majority of a repub legislature can contest and overthrow the result of an election. Add that POOTWH loyalists have been installed at the state district level as poll watchers, wardens and many other related type positions, you're going to see a massive voter suppression effort in 2022, as a run up and practice for 2024. Re-districting, while not having a direct impact on a statewide race, will have the impact of repub districts having plenty of voting machines and no lines while dem districts will have a shortage, or late delivery of same and very long lines. Also, watch how many dems are told to cast "provisional ballots" because they're not on the rolls or are basically told that they can't vote. Deathsantis has created a whole new department of poll watchers just for this purpose and to prevent "vast voter fraud."

If POOTWH wants the White House again, and he surely will, as just being a candidate offers protection from the legal messes, he's in. Being in the White House for 4 more years ensures he gets away with everything. Everything. Its too late. Watch what the repubs do in 2022 after they retake the House and Senate.

All under threat of making public the dirt he has on every rebub currently blindly and hypocritically supporting him. Gee, why can the governor of North Dakota say what he said about POOTWH and be honest about it? Maybe because he's never travelled to Moscow, a former Soviet state or another country where he could have been compromised? Y'all need to read up on Roy Cohn, POOTWH's confidant, close friend and mentor.

gimmesometruth27

trump fatigue is real though.

if trump bows out, he is going to demand a promise from the frontrunner/potential nominee  that he will receive a full pardon, or he will not endorse the potential nominee.

static111

The Juggler said:

static111 said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

k, let me re-word the question: would it give Dem's a better chance of winning if Trump won the nom as opposed to say, Desantis winning the nom?

Anyone but tRump would be good for the Dems in my opinion.  The tRumpsters won't be fired up for anyone else.

It would also be less motivating for the anti Trump crowd, of which there are millions more. 

I think this is where people are underestimating things.  Among my liberal friends and those into politics sure.  For my apolitical friends that vote or for republicans, I don't think that anti Trump sentiment is anywhere near what it once was. Like I said in the previous post, if Biden and Co do clean things up before '24 I agree with you that Trump won't be a problem.  We will just have to see how it goes.

Those republican friends wouldn't help the dems much anyway.

The other folks are the ones I mentioned trying to forget Trump right now. But if he is running again, they will have no choice but be inundated with images of a twice impeached president botching and politicizing a pandemic, refusing to admit defeat, and then failing to essentially, overthrow our democracy. Advantage: whoever is running against that guy. lol

You have more faith in the American people than I do.  In my opinion many people will view a constant barrage of negative trump ads as mudslinging and dirty politics.  Again, we will see.  Based on the ongoing voter suppression campaigns and the likelihood of R's gaining a majority at midterms I just don't have the belief it will be as cut and dried as you seem to think.   I am glad however that you seem to have a very positive attitude to the whole thing. I'm more of a doom and gloom plan for the worst type myself when it comes to these matters.