Donald Trump

The Juggler

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Again---how in the word does Jared Kushner still have a security clearance, let alone a job at this point? What the fuck?

mfc2006

The Juggler said:

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Again---how in the word does Jared Kushner still have a security clearance, let alone a job at this point? What the fuck?

Sheer stupidity?

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

There was one more person at the meeting with Don JR. Not mentioned by his/them. According to NBC.

EX SOVIET COUNTER INTEL OFFICER??? Are you friggin serious?

cincybearcat

mrussel1 said:

Go Beavers said:

mrussel1 said:

Go Beavers said:

All things being similar, I'd probably give a bump to an Art History major over a business major when hiring. 

All other things being equal, I wouldn't.  But it depends on the role.  

Which brings up a good point. I'm looking for someone who can look at a problem differently and access a range of thinking and communication styles.

Depending on the position, liberal arts majors don't do too bad. They start out a little behind, but eventually catch up to other college majors. Interesting article here:
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2015/11/13/liberal-arts-degrees-critics/?source=dam

I agree.. I think Art History is a little bit of a stretch, but someone with a liberal arts major can usually construct a complete sentence, which is more than can be said about some degrees.  At the end of the day, people that are motivated, positive, able to think in an integrated way and are persuasive can succeed at most "business management" jobs.  Some jobs are specialized of course and that's where I get into my statement about funding "in need" jobs.  They aren't marketing and business admin jobs.  They are applied math, engineering fields, etc.  An Art History major would have a tough time being successful in such a field.  

Why are we even talking business degrees?  Personally I would focus on Engineering/Science degrees at universities and trades at 2 year.  

I don;t have anything against someone following their passion and we certainly need all types.  But, I don;t think you have a human right to pursue whatever degree you want in college and have someone else pick up the bill.  I think the areas the country is in need of should receive the support.  

And I'm sorry I took us away from the topic...so back to Trump.  His comments to Brigitte Macron are par for the course from him.  The sad thing is in his mind, he was doing nothing wrong.  That him commenting about her physical appearance is a true compliment because a woman's physical appearance is the most important aspect and he is obviously the best judge.  So him giving his approval was a tremendous compliment for Brigitte.  

g under p

The Juggler said:

g under p said:

He is so transparently dumb.

He IS what some say he IS.....a classic bullshitter. Also appears to be quite comfortable in that role. At some point reality will catch up with the BS and it just won't stick anymore.

Peace

The Juggler

Remember a few weeks ago when Trump retweeted the right leaning Rasmussen poll showing his approval close to 50%?

It's back down to 43%. Lower than anyone in the history of approval ratings other than Ford at this point into his term.

SAD!

tbergs

g under p said:

The Juggler said:

g under p said:

He is so transparently dumb.

He IS what some say he IS.....a classic bullshitter. Also appears to be quite comfortable in that role. At some point reality will catch up with the BS and it just won't stick anymore.

Peace

If only something would have caught up with him by now we wouldn't be in this mess. He's 70 and has lived his whole life this way without true consequence. Frickin' unreal.

unsung

Go Beavers said:

And Sander's plan of taxpayer funded tuition would have helped the current problem of jobs left open due to lack of specific skills. It could also have been applied to a specific trade school so people with almost zip income could eventually fill those open jobs rather than sit idle in an low wage, unskilled position.  

The problem that exists, and what the left always fails to address, is that they don't do anything to cap the problem and control it.  Their answer is to just throw more money at it, but they never stop the runaway train.

Someone has said it and that is until they take away the government backed gaurantee the schools have no incentive to control costs.

But really this deserves a thread of its own.

mrussel1

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

And Sander's plan of taxpayer funded tuition would have helped the current problem of jobs left open due to lack of specific skills. It could also have been applied to a specific trade school so people with almost zip income could eventually fill those open jobs rather than sit idle in an low wage, unskilled position.  

The problem that exists, and what the left always fails to address, is that they don't do anything to cap the problem and control it.  Their answer is to just throw more money at it, but they never stop the runaway train.

Someone has said it and that is until they take away the government backed gaurantee the schools have no incentive to control costs.

But really this deserves a thread of its own.

How can a free marketer libertarian like you make an argument for the gov't to cap or control the costs?  Seems like a contradiction.  

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

JC29856 said:

unsung said:

JC29856 said:

unsung said:

HesCalledDyer said:

unsung said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Question:
How does one go about not paying Federal taxes?  I'd like to know because I'd like to a part of that.  I mean, you hear it all the time.  This person owes 12 years of taxes, that person owes tens of thousands of dollars in taxes.  Doesn't Floyd Mayweather alone owe the government $22 million?  If these people can get away with it, I'm sure the Feds wouldn't miss my $5k a year.  I'm certainly not down for paying for a fucking wall, so the government really has no business taking my money.  I don't think there's anything in the all mighty Constitution stating that citizens are required to pay taxes, is there?

Unfortunately there is.  

Feb 1913 found the passage of the 16th Amendment.  It just so happened that the Federal Reserve (private banking system) was created in Dec 1913 and have conveniently been devaluing the dollar / stealing wealth from the non-rich ever since.

Ahh, I appreciate the info.

Actually I am looking at this wrong.  The 16th Amendment gives Congress the authority to tax income, but it doesn't require them to nor does it set numbers.

Your personal requirement is based on your desire to be kidnapped and thrown in a cage.  So I suppose it is up to each individual.

I always thought the "cage" was having a mortgage most of the adult life.

No, that is student loan debt.

yeah...notice how there is never any national discussion on why it costs $30k-60k a year for a college education? where does the money go?

I think a lot of that depends on what degree you pursue as well....someone that takes 5 years to graduate with an art history degree and can't get a job to pay off the loan doesn't get a lot of sympathy from me.

This is a topic I really like to debate and one that we talked about quite a bit when Sanders was in the race.  
I agree with your statement 100%.  And I'm 100% against free tuition for people who select degrees for which there is no demand on the job side.  
Third, the student loan debts that these kids walk out of college with are completely debilitating to their next 15 financial years AND lead them to make bad short term decisions.  Example... I have a team in SW Florida.  It's a client facing team and I need college grads at the entry level.  I pay 40k to start.  Not the best, but pretty good considering I'll take liberal arts majors.  Plus we promote like crazy.  I've sent people straight to FGCU to recruit directly and people turn down the job becuase they need 60k at 23 because of their student loans.  It's like Cousin Eddy holding out for a management position. 

I think this attitude threatens society. I think it is very harmful to make things like art and history and literature unnecessary in society. This attitude pisses me off to no end. Also, it completely dismisses the fact that there are TONS of worthy professions that come out of such areas of study. Attitudes like this basically equate to calling for the death of art, philosophy, history, literature, and critical thinking. I can think of few things more dangerous to a civilization than to focus education only on areas where job demand is high. It is an insanely narrow-minded attitude that is ignorant to what the arts actually do for humankind. And then there is the part about crushing young souls in the name of capitalism.

why do you have to have a college degree to appreciate and study things?


It makes sense and we do need some....but c'mon we don't need as many as graduate. So when you can't find a job to pay back our loans who is that on?

Also - high school is free and look how that's going....not great. I am for a targeted program of tuition assistance for trades and professions that society needs at the time. It can change year by year (or every 4 years or so).  

I didn't say you HAVE to have a college degree to appreciate and study things .... I don't understand what point you're trying to make. That post-secondary education in the arts isn't necessary at all?? That people just studying the arts on their own is adequate or somehow a fair compensation for real academic study? Surely that isn't your thought. Are you just trying to say that artists don't necessarily need a degree? No, of course not.

unsung

mrussel1 said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

And Sander's plan of taxpayer funded tuition would have helped the current problem of jobs left open due to lack of specific skills. It could also have been applied to a specific trade school so people with almost zip income could eventually fill those open jobs rather than sit idle in an low wage, unskilled position.  

The problem that exists, and what the left always fails to address, is that they don't do anything to cap the problem and control it.  Their answer is to just throw more money at it, but they never stop the runaway train.

Someone has said it and that is until they take away the government backed gaurantee the schools have no incentive to control costs.

But really this deserves a thread of its own.

How can a free marketer libertarian like you make an argument for the gov't to cap or control the costs?  Seems like a contradiction.  

Um, I'm not.  I am saying government should not be in the student loan business.

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

Go Beavers said:

mrussel1 said:

Go Beavers said:

All things being similar, I'd probably give a bump to an Art History major over a business major when hiring. 

All other things being equal, I wouldn't.  But it depends on the role.  

Which brings up a good point. I'm looking for someone who can look at a problem differently and access a range of thinking and communication styles.

Depending on the position, liberal arts majors don't do too bad. They start out a little behind, but eventually catch up to other college majors. Interesting article here:
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2015/11/13/liberal-arts-degrees-critics/?source=dam

I agree.. I think Art History is a little bit of a stretch, but someone with a liberal arts major can usually construct a complete sentence, which is more than can be said about some degrees.  At the end of the day, people that are motivated, positive, able to think in an integrated way and are persuasive can succeed at most "business management" jobs.  Some jobs are specialized of course and that's where I get into my statement about funding "in need" jobs.  They aren't marketing and business admin jobs.  They are applied math, engineering fields, etc.  An Art History major would have a tough time being successful in such a field.  

Why are we even talking business degrees?  Personally I would focus on Engineering/Science degrees at universities and trades at 2 year.  

I don;t have anything against someone following their passion and we certainly need all types.  But, I don;t think you have a human right to pursue whatever degree you want in college and have someone else pick up the bill.  I think the areas the country is in need of should receive the support.  

And I'm sorry I took us away from the topic...so back to Trump.  His comments to Brigitte Macron are par for the course from him.  The sad thing is in his mind, he was doing nothing wrong.  That him commenting about her physical appearance is a true compliment because a woman's physical appearance is the most important aspect and he is obviously the best judge.  So him giving his approval was a tremendous compliment for Brigitte.  

Yeah, I didn't even realize that anyone was talking about business degrees. Most of those are a bit of a joke as far as personal success goes. I was also assuming we were talking about math, science, computer programming, med school, nursing school, engineering, and the trades. By the way, arts degrees include studies in Economics, languages, psychology, humanities, sociology, anthropology, political science, international studies, public policy, labour studies, gerontology, criminology, and urban studies. Stupid useless arts degrees, right?? I totally agree that it would be a violation of rights to favour particular studies over others in terms of tuition costs. The way you promote particular areas of study is to control funding in various ways, not to ding particular students directly and not others. That's crazy talk.

Bentleyspop

This is going to make the current white house occupant crazy......

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/13/politics/george-w-bush-bill-clinton-dallas/index.html

Kat

Don't miss number 11...sadly, it's brilliant.
http://www.politico.com/gallery/2017/07/14/the-nations-cartoonists-on-the-week-in-politics-002457?slide=0

PJ_Soul

Kat said:

Don't miss number 11...sadly, it's brilliant.
http://www.politico.com/gallery/2017/07/14/the-nations-cartoonists-on-the-week-in-politics-002457?slide=0

Right? Every time those yahoos mention transparency in the context of "we have some", I am thrown by how stupid they must think everyone else is... and by how stupid they are.

JC29856

Bentleyspop said:

This is going to make the current white house occupant crazy......

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/13/politics/george-w-bush-bill-clinton-dallas/index.html

I wonder if they had a back and forth about who killed the most Iraqis?
Article made no mention of it.

eddiec

JC29856 said:

Bentleyspop said:

This is going to make the current white house occupant crazy......

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/13/politics/george-w-bush-bill-clinton-dallas/index.html

I wonder if they had a back and forth about who killed the most Iraqis?
Article made no mention of it.

That's in the segment where they discuss the war. Keep up.

mrussel1

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

Go Beavers said:

mrussel1 said:

Go Beavers said:

All things being similar, I'd probably give a bump to an Art History major over a business major when hiring. 

All other things being equal, I wouldn't.  But it depends on the role.  

Which brings up a good point. I'm looking for someone who can look at a problem differently and access a range of thinking and communication styles.

Depending on the position, liberal arts majors don't do too bad. They start out a little behind, but eventually catch up to other college majors. Interesting article here:
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2015/11/13/liberal-arts-degrees-critics/?source=dam

I agree.. I think Art History is a little bit of a stretch, but someone with a liberal arts major can usually construct a complete sentence, which is more than can be said about some degrees.  At the end of the day, people that are motivated, positive, able to think in an integrated way and are persuasive can succeed at most "business management" jobs.  Some jobs are specialized of course and that's where I get into my statement about funding "in need" jobs.  They aren't marketing and business admin jobs.  They are applied math, engineering fields, etc.  An Art History major would have a tough time being successful in such a field.  

Why are we even talking business degrees?  Personally I would focus on Engineering/Science degrees at universities and trades at 2 year.  

I don;t have anything against someone following their passion and we certainly need all types.  But, I don;t think you have a human right to pursue whatever degree you want in college and have someone else pick up the bill.  I think the areas the country is in need of should receive the support.  

And I'm sorry I took us away from the topic...so back to Trump.  His comments to Brigitte Macron are par for the course from him.  The sad thing is in his mind, he was doing nothing wrong.  That him commenting about her physical appearance is a true compliment because a woman's physical appearance is the most important aspect and he is obviously the best judge.  So him giving his approval was a tremendous compliment for Brigitte.  

Yeah, I didn't even realize that anyone was talking about business degrees. Most of those are a bit of a joke as far as personal success goes. I was also assuming we were talking about math, science, computer programming, med school, nursing school, engineering, and the trades. By the way, arts degrees include studies in Economics, languages, psychology, humanities, sociology, anthropology, political science, international studies, public policy, labour studies, gerontology, criminology, and urban studies. Stupid useless arts degrees, right?? I totally agree that it would be a violation of rights to favour particular studies over others in terms of tuition costs. The way you promote particular areas of study is to control funding in various ways, not to ding particular students directly and not others. That's crazy talk.

I don't think anyone criticized Liberal Arts degrees as a whole, rather that if government is going to physically pay tuition, there should be a societal need.  Doesn't matter to me if it's an art or a STEM.  However as we sit here, we have 6MM jobs in the US unfilled (many of the STEM oriented), many because our citizens don't have the skills to fill them.  

cincybearcat

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

Go Beavers said:

mrussel1 said:

Go Beavers said:

All things being similar, I'd probably give a bump to an Art History major over a business major when hiring. 

All other things being equal, I wouldn't.  But it depends on the role.  

Which brings up a good point. I'm looking for someone who can look at a problem differently and access a range of thinking and communication styles.

Depending on the position, liberal arts majors don't do too bad. They start out a little behind, but eventually catch up to other college majors. Interesting article here:
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2015/11/13/liberal-arts-degrees-critics/?source=dam

I agree.. I think Art History is a little bit of a stretch, but someone with a liberal arts major can usually construct a complete sentence, which is more than can be said about some degrees.  At the end of the day, people that are motivated, positive, able to think in an integrated way and are persuasive can succeed at most "business management" jobs.  Some jobs are specialized of course and that's where I get into my statement about funding "in need" jobs.  They aren't marketing and business admin jobs.  They are applied math, engineering fields, etc.  An Art History major would have a tough time being successful in such a field.  

Why are we even talking business degrees?  Personally I would focus on Engineering/Science degrees at universities and trades at 2 year.  

I don;t have anything against someone following their passion and we certainly need all types.  But, I don;t think you have a human right to pursue whatever degree you want in college and have someone else pick up the bill.  I think the areas the country is in need of should receive the support.  

And I'm sorry I took us away from the topic...so back to Trump.  His comments to Brigitte Macron are par for the course from him.  The sad thing is in his mind, he was doing nothing wrong.  That him commenting about her physical appearance is a true compliment because a woman's physical appearance is the most important aspect and he is obviously the best judge.  So him giving his approval was a tremendous compliment for Brigitte.  

Yeah, I didn't even realize that anyone was talking about business degrees. Most of those are a bit of a joke as far as personal success goes. I was also assuming we were talking about math, science, computer programming, med school, nursing school, engineering, and the trades. By the way, arts degrees include studies in Economics, languages, psychology, humanities, sociology, anthropology, political science, international studies, public policy, labour studies, gerontology, criminology, and urban studies. Stupid useless arts degrees, right?? I totally agree that it would be a violation of rights to favour particular studies over others in terms of tuition costs. The way you promote particular areas of study is to control funding in various ways, not to ding particular students directly and not others. That's crazy talk.

I don't think anyone criticized Liberal Arts degrees as a whole, rather that if government is going to physically pay tuition, there should be a societal need.  Doesn't matter to me if it's an art or a STEM.  However as we sit here, we have 6MM jobs in the US unfilled (many of the STEM oriented), many because our citizens don't have the skills to fill them.  

Bingo.

Some of my best friends have liberal arts degrees.   Actually....that's not really very true.  A couple do though!

Go Beavers

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

Go Beavers said:

mrussel1 said:

Go Beavers said:

All things being similar, I'd probably give a bump to an Art History major over a business major when hiring. 

All other things being equal, I wouldn't.  But it depends on the role.  

Which brings up a good point. I'm looking for someone who can look at a problem differently and access a range of thinking and communication styles.

Depending on the position, liberal arts majors don't do too bad. They start out a little behind, but eventually catch up to other college majors. Interesting article here:
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2015/11/13/liberal-arts-degrees-critics/?source=dam

I agree.. I think Art History is a little bit of a stretch, but someone with a liberal arts major can usually construct a complete sentence, which is more than can be said about some degrees.  At the end of the day, people that are motivated, positive, able to think in an integrated way and are persuasive can succeed at most "business management" jobs.  Some jobs are specialized of course and that's where I get into my statement about funding "in need" jobs.  They aren't marketing and business admin jobs.  They are applied math, engineering fields, etc.  An Art History major would have a tough time being successful in such a field.  

Why are we even talking business degrees?  Personally I would focus on Engineering/Science degrees at universities and trades at 2 year.  

I don;t have anything against someone following their passion and we certainly need all types.  But, I don;t think you have a human right to pursue whatever degree you want in college and have someone else pick up the bill.  I think the areas the country is in need of should receive the support.  

And I'm sorry I took us away from the topic...so back to Trump.  His comments to Brigitte Macron are par for the course from him.  The sad thing is in his mind, he was doing nothing wrong.  That him commenting about her physical appearance is a true compliment because a woman's physical appearance is the most important aspect and he is obviously the best judge.  So him giving his approval was a tremendous compliment for Brigitte.  

Yeah, I didn't even realize that anyone was talking about business degrees. Most of those are a bit of a joke as far as personal success goes. I was also assuming we were talking about math, science, computer programming, med school, nursing school, engineering, and the trades. By the way, arts degrees include studies in Economics, languages, psychology, humanities, sociology, anthropology, political science, international studies, public policy, labour studies, gerontology, criminology, and urban studies. Stupid useless arts degrees, right?? I totally agree that it would be a violation of rights to favour particular studies over others in terms of tuition costs. The way you promote particular areas of study is to control funding in various ways, not to ding particular students directly and not others. That's crazy talk.

I don't think anyone criticized Liberal Arts degrees as a whole, rather that if government is going to physically pay tuition, there should be a societal need.  Doesn't matter to me if it's an art or a STEM.  However as we sit here, we have 6MM jobs in the US unfilled (many of the STEM oriented), many because our citizens don't have the skills to fill them.  

There is a societal need for liberal arts majors.