Donald Trump

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

JC29856 said:

unsung said:

JC29856 said:

unsung said:

HesCalledDyer said:

unsung said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Question:
How does one go about not paying Federal taxes?  I'd like to know because I'd like to a part of that.  I mean, you hear it all the time.  This person owes 12 years of taxes, that person owes tens of thousands of dollars in taxes.  Doesn't Floyd Mayweather alone owe the government $22 million?  If these people can get away with it, I'm sure the Feds wouldn't miss my $5k a year.  I'm certainly not down for paying for a fucking wall, so the government really has no business taking my money.  I don't think there's anything in the all mighty Constitution stating that citizens are required to pay taxes, is there?

Unfortunately there is.  

Feb 1913 found the passage of the 16th Amendment.  It just so happened that the Federal Reserve (private banking system) was created in Dec 1913 and have conveniently been devaluing the dollar / stealing wealth from the non-rich ever since.

Ahh, I appreciate the info.

Actually I am looking at this wrong.  The 16th Amendment gives Congress the authority to tax income, but it doesn't require them to nor does it set numbers.

Your personal requirement is based on your desire to be kidnapped and thrown in a cage.  So I suppose it is up to each individual.

I always thought the "cage" was having a mortgage most of the adult life.

No, that is student loan debt.

yeah...notice how there is never any national discussion on why it costs $30k-60k a year for a college education? where does the money go?

I think a lot of that depends on what degree you pursue as well....someone that takes 5 years to graduate with an art history degree and can't get a job to pay off the loan doesn't get a lot of sympathy from me.

This is a topic I really like to debate and one that we talked about quite a bit when Sanders was in the race.  
I agree with your statement 100%.  And I'm 100% against free tuition for people who select degrees for which there is no demand on the job side.  
Third, the student loan debts that these kids walk out of college with are completely debilitating to their next 15 financial years AND lead them to make bad short term decisions.  Example... I have a team in SW Florida.  It's a client facing team and I need college grads at the entry level.  I pay 40k to start.  Not the best, but pretty good considering I'll take liberal arts majors.  Plus we promote like crazy.  I've sent people straight to FGCU to recruit directly and people turn down the job becuase they need 60k at 23 because of their student loans.  It's like Cousin Eddy holding out for a management position. 

I think this attitude threatens society. I think it is very harmful to make things like art and history and literature unnecessary in society. This attitude pisses me off to no end. Also, it completely dismisses the fact that there are TONS of worthy professions that come out of such areas of study. Attitudes like this basically equate to calling for the death of art, philosophy, history, literature, and critical thinking. I can think of few things more dangerous to a civilization than to focus education only on areas where job demand is high. It is an insanely narrow-minded attitude that is ignorant to what the arts actually do for humankind. And then there is the part about crushing young souls in the name of capitalism.

why do you have to have a college degree to appreciate and study things?


It makes sense and we do need some....but c'mon we don't need as many as graduate. So when you can't find a job to pay back our loans who is that on?

Also - high school is free and look how that's going....not great. I am for a targeted program of tuition assistance for trades and professions that society needs at the time. It can change year by year (or every 4 years or so).  

mrussel1

Yikes. That is a pretty scary proposition IMO. It's basically punishing artistic people financially. I'm thinking that lack of skilled workers stems from something other than too many people choosing to do arts degrees. But FYI, a lot of those in high demand jobs started with arts degrees. The better solution is to just grow the education programs that focus on those skilled professions that have a demand for labour. Market them better, make them more accessible, and encourage all the various choices starting at a younger age, and encourage more women to get into the maths and sciences and trades. You don't find the solution by making artistic people pay and making it free for those who don't choose the arts. All that would do is cause those who should be in the arts choose something else purely because they couldn't afford what they wanted to do. That's awful.

We already award and punish people based on societal need.  We pay doctors more than accountants.  We pay business analysts more than paralegals.  This is no different. Skill + scarcity = $ for the individual.  I'm completely for focusing on women into the STEM roles, changing our early education to something more practical for today, but when it comes to college, we don't have limitless resources.  We're in massive debt here in the US, driven by defense and entitlements.  And this would be a new entitlement. I'm not particularly for free college tuition period, even though I will have three in college over the next 9 years, but if my tax dollars are going to be used, I'd rather it be for something that directly fills a need.  I don't think that's scary, I think it's practical.  

mrussel1

Go Beavers said:

And Sander's plan of taxpayer funded tuition would have helped the current problem of jobs left open due to lack of specific skills. It could also have been applied to a specific trade school so people with almost zip income could eventually fill those open jobs rather than sit idle in an low wage, unskilled position.  

His plan was not targeted to where the needs are.  It was wide open.  That's why I was against it.  

JC29856

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

unsung said:

JC29856 said:

unsung said:

HesCalledDyer said:

unsung said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Question:
How does one go about not paying Federal taxes?  I'd like to know because I'd like to a part of that.  I mean, you hear it all the time.  This person owes 12 years of taxes, that person owes tens of thousands of dollars in taxes.  Doesn't Floyd Mayweather alone owe the government $22 million?  If these people can get away with it, I'm sure the Feds wouldn't miss my $5k a year.  I'm certainly not down for paying for a fucking wall, so the government really has no business taking my money.  I don't think there's anything in the all mighty Constitution stating that citizens are required to pay taxes, is there?

Unfortunately there is.  

Feb 1913 found the passage of the 16th Amendment.  It just so happened that the Federal Reserve (private banking system) was created in Dec 1913 and have conveniently been devaluing the dollar / stealing wealth from the non-rich ever since.

Ahh, I appreciate the info.

Actually I am looking at this wrong.  The 16th Amendment gives Congress the authority to tax income, but it doesn't require them to nor does it set numbers.

Your personal requirement is based on your desire to be kidnapped and thrown in a cage.  So I suppose it is up to each individual.

I always thought the "cage" was having a mortgage most of the adult life.

No, that is student loan debt.

yeah...notice how there is never any national discussion on why it costs $30k-60k a year for a college education? where does the money go?

There are a lot of questions related to the cost curves of tuition, some are obvious, some I haven't figured out.  It's certainly true that colleges have invested a ton into amenities over the past 20 years to try to lure students in.. This includes student athletes as well.  Universities used to be fairly no frill but they are very different today.  I'm sure this doesn't explain all of it (plus normal inflation), but there has been an amenity war going on for several years now.  
My oldest is going off to William and Mary this fall.  That's 22k a year which is very reasonable these days.  I have to admit I was shocked that there is no AC in the dorms... in friggin Virginia.  

Do you know what the President salary is at WnM? Board? Admin? I'm all for a living wage but why does a president of WnM make $526k a year plus 85k in deferred comp? He was noble by turning down 6 years of pay increases.

mrussel1

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

unsung said:

JC29856 said:

unsung said:

HesCalledDyer said:

unsung said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Question:
How does one go about not paying Federal taxes?  I'd like to know because I'd like to a part of that.  I mean, you hear it all the time.  This person owes 12 years of taxes, that person owes tens of thousands of dollars in taxes.  Doesn't Floyd Mayweather alone owe the government $22 million?  If these people can get away with it, I'm sure the Feds wouldn't miss my $5k a year.  I'm certainly not down for paying for a fucking wall, so the government really has no business taking my money.  I don't think there's anything in the all mighty Constitution stating that citizens are required to pay taxes, is there?

Unfortunately there is.  

Feb 1913 found the passage of the 16th Amendment.  It just so happened that the Federal Reserve (private banking system) was created in Dec 1913 and have conveniently been devaluing the dollar / stealing wealth from the non-rich ever since.

Ahh, I appreciate the info.

Actually I am looking at this wrong.  The 16th Amendment gives Congress the authority to tax income, but it doesn't require them to nor does it set numbers.

Your personal requirement is based on your desire to be kidnapped and thrown in a cage.  So I suppose it is up to each individual.

I always thought the "cage" was having a mortgage most of the adult life.

No, that is student loan debt.

yeah...notice how there is never any national discussion on why it costs $30k-60k a year for a college education? where does the money go?

There are a lot of questions related to the cost curves of tuition, some are obvious, some I haven't figured out.  It's certainly true that colleges have invested a ton into amenities over the past 20 years to try to lure students in.. This includes student athletes as well.  Universities used to be fairly no frill but they are very different today.  I'm sure this doesn't explain all of it (plus normal inflation), but there has been an amenity war going on for several years now.  
My oldest is going off to William and Mary this fall.  That's 22k a year which is very reasonable these days.  I have to admit I was shocked that there is no AC in the dorms... in friggin Virginia.  

Do you know what the President salary is at WnM? Board? Admin? I'm all for a living wage but why does a president of WnM make $526k a year plus 85k in deferred comp? He was noble by turning down 6 years of pay increases.

I'm pretty sure it's not all tied up in salaries.  Certainly universities have started to have salary structures that rival CEO/Exec pay scales vs the employees, but I'm not sure this is the reason.  A half million a year for a top ten public doesn't stick in my craw, to be honest.  There's more to it than this I'm sure.  

JC29856

my2hands said:

JC29856 said:

Tiki said:

I will not pay for a wall.

no, you currently and have been paying 15 cents on every dollar you earn to kill innocent civilians in the middle east. a wall is your breaking point?

We're on the same team with this one 

Probably on most ones.
I'm left of most on here but they are blue blinded to notice. 

JC29856

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

unsung said:

JC29856 said:

unsung said:

HesCalledDyer said:

unsung said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Question:
How does one go about not paying Federal taxes?  I'd like to know because I'd like to a part of that.  I mean, you hear it all the time.  This person owes 12 years of taxes, that person owes tens of thousands of dollars in taxes.  Doesn't Floyd Mayweather alone owe the government $22 million?  If these people can get away with it, I'm sure the Feds wouldn't miss my $5k a year.  I'm certainly not down for paying for a fucking wall, so the government really has no business taking my money.  I don't think there's anything in the all mighty Constitution stating that citizens are required to pay taxes, is there?

Unfortunately there is.  

Feb 1913 found the passage of the 16th Amendment.  It just so happened that the Federal Reserve (private banking system) was created in Dec 1913 and have conveniently been devaluing the dollar / stealing wealth from the non-rich ever since.

Ahh, I appreciate the info.

Actually I am looking at this wrong.  The 16th Amendment gives Congress the authority to tax income, but it doesn't require them to nor does it set numbers.

Your personal requirement is based on your desire to be kidnapped and thrown in a cage.  So I suppose it is up to each individual.

I always thought the "cage" was having a mortgage most of the adult life.

No, that is student loan debt.

yeah...notice how there is never any national discussion on why it costs $30k-60k a year for a college education? where does the money go?

There are a lot of questions related to the cost curves of tuition, some are obvious, some I haven't figured out.  It's certainly true that colleges have invested a ton into amenities over the past 20 years to try to lure students in.. This includes student athletes as well.  Universities used to be fairly no frill but they are very different today.  I'm sure this doesn't explain all of it (plus normal inflation), but there has been an amenity war going on for several years now.  
My oldest is going off to William and Mary this fall.  That's 22k a year which is very reasonable these days.  I have to admit I was shocked that there is no AC in the dorms... in friggin Virginia.  

Do you know what the President salary is at WnM? Board? Admin? I'm all for a living wage but why does a president of WnM make $526k a year plus 85k in deferred comp? He was noble by turning down 6 years of pay increases.

I'm pretty sure it's not all tied up in salaries.  Certainly universities have started to have salary structures that rival CEO/Exec pay scales vs the employees, but I'm not sure this is the reason.  A half million a year for a top ten public doesn't stick in my craw, to be honest.  There's more to it than this I'm sure.  

absolutely but can anyone justify a million or half a million in president salary for pre adult education? how does one become a U president anyway?

JC29856

I make an unjustifiable amount of money for what I do (as evidenced by my perioodic and obsessive time on these forums) but it's not on the backs of pre adults seeking an education to make our worlda better place or their struggling parents!

edit...I'll add not directly on the backs...

PJfanwillneverleave1

When does the handshake controversy w/ the latest visit start on the MSM?

my2hands

JC29856 said:

I make an unjustifiable amount of money for what I do

Most people in western society do... and it seems to never be enough... 

The world needs a few less business & finance majors in my opinion... it's a shame we set expectations on young people to pursue an education/career/life based on earning potential... thank god some are willing to sacrifice and pursue something a little more interesting than someone else's bottom line

Smellyman

my2hands said:

JC29856 said:

I make an unjustifiable amount of money for what I do

Most people in western society do... and it seems to never be enough... 

The world needs a few less business & finance majors in my opinion... it's a shame we set expectations on young people to pursue an education/career/life based on earning potential... thank god some are willing to sacrifice and pursue something a little more interesting than someone else's bottom line

I lived in Hong Kong for 10 years and the world sure could use a few less 'bankers'.  Judas Priest talk about making loads of money and offering just about 0 to society.  They sure think they are the shit though.

mrussel1

Smellyman said:

my2hands said:

JC29856 said:

I make an unjustifiable amount of money for what I do

Most people in western society do... and it seems to never be enough... 

The world needs a few less business & finance majors in my opinion... it's a shame we set expectations on young people to pursue an education/career/life based on earning potential... thank god some are willing to sacrifice and pursue something a little more interesting than someone else's bottom line

I lived in Hong Kong for 10 years and the world sure could use a few less 'bankers'.  Judas Priest talk about making loads of money and offering just about 0 to society.  They sure think they are the shit though.

You must bye fortunate enough to pay cash for everything.  Not everyone can. 

Smellyman

mrussel1 said:

Smellyman said:

my2hands said:

JC29856 said:

I make an unjustifiable amount of money for what I do

Most people in western society do... and it seems to never be enough... 

The world needs a few less business & finance majors in my opinion... it's a shame we set expectations on young people to pursue an education/career/life based on earning potential... thank god some are willing to sacrifice and pursue something a little more interesting than someone else's bottom line

I lived in Hong Kong for 10 years and the world sure could use a few less 'bankers'.  Judas Priest talk about making loads of money and offering just about 0 to society.  They sure think they are the shit though.

You must bye fortunate enough to pay cash for everything.  Not everyone can. 

because that is all banks do

mrussel1

Smellyman said:

mrussel1 said:

Smellyman said:

my2hands said:

JC29856 said:

I make an unjustifiable amount of money for what I do

Most people in western society do... and it seems to never be enough... 

The world needs a few less business & finance majors in my opinion... it's a shame we set expectations on young people to pursue an education/career/life based on earning potential... thank god some are willing to sacrifice and pursue something a little more interesting than someone else's bottom line

I lived in Hong Kong for 10 years and the world sure could use a few less 'bankers'.  Judas Priest talk about making loads of money and offering just about 0 to society.  They sure think they are the shit though.

You must bye fortunate enough to pay cash for everything.  Not everyone can. 

because that is all banks do

Lending is a pretty big thing they do.

g under p

Smellyman

Gotta go trade currency exchanges on ATM transactions.  bbl

stuckinline

UGH!

"You're in such good shape. She's in such good physical shape. Beautiful," Trump told the French President's wife, who was standing next to first lady Melania Trump.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/13/politics/trump-brigitte-macron-handshake/index.html

The Juggler

g under p said:

He is so transparently dumb.

Spiritual_Chaos

There was one more person at the meeting with Don JR. Not mentioned by his/them. According to NBC.

The Juggler

Spiritual_Chaos said:

There was one more person at the meeting with Don JR. Not mentioned by his/them. According to NBC.

Gee, it's a little shocking how everyone member of Trump's inner circle keeps lying about everything. It's almost as if they have something to hide....