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His is the image in which the party in power exists.mfc2006 said:I am at a loss for words. How the fuck has he not been removed??????
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A bear shits wherever it wants because it is a fucking beardarwinstheory said:
Does a bear shit in the woods?static111 said:
Did it just tank?gimmesometruth27 said:trump's superpower is the uncanny ability to tank the market with a single moronic tweet.Scio me nihil scire
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Put a fork in his fat ass.Gern Blansten said:Unreal....the GOP has to be happy about this. Seriously though...does he think this allows him to gain ground?www.myspace.com0 -
Can we make sure there's a space capsule ready to launch this fuck in to space when he loses the election?
Trump, who is currently being treated for COVID-19, has been downplaying the severity of the disease that has killed more than 210,000 in the U.S.
"Many people every year, sometimes over 100,000, and despite the Vaccine, die from the Flu," Trump said in the tweet. "Are we going to close down our Country? No, we have learned to live with it, just like we are learning to live with Covid, in most populations far less lethal!!!" However, during the 2019-2020 flu season, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 38 million people in the U.S. got the flu and 21,909 of them died.
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mace1229 said:
I've been a little curious about this. I've heard the same thing, that covid was listed as the cause when it was a comorbidity.HughFreakingDillon said:
yeah, I wasn't thinking it was a significant amount, or even a blip. just curious if it's done that way in any case. i found this:Merkin Baller said:HughFreakingDillon said:
no, i don't think it's a conspiracy thing. I can't recall where I heard or read it, or if it's even reputable. i just thought I had read that if you have two morbitities, and one is covid, it's listed as a covid death. obviously not if you are positive and get hit by a bus, but like something like you mentioned. I'd have to look into this to confirm/debunk it.MayDay10 said:
Has it happened? Maybe? It is one of those garbage anecdotal accounts that everyone hears, watches a youtube vid, or reads on the internet and then passes it off as their own experience and expertise. Its the same method used by all the idiots wage war on vaccinations.HughFreakingDillon said:
is there not some truth to that?MayDay10 said:
They believe that the Covid story is overblown by the "media" and the "left" in order to make trump look bad and lose the election. They believe the 'story' will vanish after election day.OnWis97 said:cincybearcat said:
I can't understand how people could see this and be like..."See Covid's not so bad. If I get it I just get a helicopter ride to my own personal suite. I get a team of doctors, all the latest equipment and even experimental drugs. The after a few days, even though I'm still visibly not well and breathing is hard I will go back to WORK!!!!"MayDay10 said:he is obviously going to press hard framing:
Biden as the guy who will shut everything down and keep it that way....
versus
Trump, who will make sure we immediately have normal life begin again. Kids in school, tailgating at football games, no masks, rallies, etc...It's baffling. 210,000 people have died but Trump (is tricking them into believing that he) has gotten better quickly so they're like "pfffft...it's nothing; an inconvenient four days." I think the following things play into it: The cult-like devotion to Trump; the ignorance of data in favor of anecdotes (that tell the story they hope to hear); unwillingness to admit to being wrong about anything ever; just plain lack of critical thinking.
And, just to look like a tough guy, Trump is telling people that it was no big deal; people that he knows would follow him off of a cliff. This might be the most irresponsible thing he's ever done (though the competition for that distinction is quite fierce).
I have heard the anecdote about the person in hospice with Cancer who got covid while dying and the death counted as a Covid death like 50 times, whether its an Aunt, Grandpa, Friend's dad, friend who works in a hospital told me, etc.
So they do not believe it is 210,000. They believe its roughly in line with the flu. Now Trump going down for a few days and "felling better than he has in 20 years" will just confirm that.
I doubt there is a conspiracy for doctors to count as many deaths as possible as Covid to make Donald Trump look bad.
There probably have been some cases where someone had a terminal condition and COVID was attributed as the cause of death, but IMO the excess mortality rate for the US in 2020 speaks for itself.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
I think it only matters in terms of comparison. Would be nice to know how other countries count their deaths when we are being compared on a daily basis.
Two things make me wonder if it has a bigger impact.
60% of covid deaths are for people 75 and older. How many of those had pneumonia or something else and would have died with or without covid?
And the fact our hospitals were never over run and we never ran out of ventilators like we feared. How is a country like Italy who did have those problems not have higher numbers? They are possibly under reporting.
I don't say this to claim its a hoax or no big deal, but like I said for comparison purposes. If we're being compared to the workd every day, there should be a world standard on how to measure this.How about comparing excess deaths for the US in 2020 as compared to prior years?
According to the NY Times in August:
"Across the United States, at least 200,000 more people have died than usual since March, according to a New York Times analysis of estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. " -https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/08/12/us/covid-deaths-us.html
Also:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
https://www.sciencealert.com/2020-has-killed-up-to-200-000-extra-people-in-the-us-so-far
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not really. that's on my mom's side. my dad's side everyone dies very early (heart issues).mrussel1 said:
Hey good for you! You have those genes! I have cholesterol generating genes. Not so good.HughFreakingDillon said:
they look at anecdotal evidence of the few outliers that smoke a pack a day for 70 years and live to 100. i actually am related to two of those. two married chronic smokers and alcoholics that have been that way for decades. both approaching their 90's. still both living in a house unassisted. it's kind of nuts.jerparker20 said:
Right. It’s like some of the hardcore smokers I have in my family, that don’t believe smoking is bad. People die of lung cancer, but Smoking isn’t the cause, it’s bad genes or something. It’s baffling, and it’s not worth arguing with them either.mrussel1 said:
This is true. I have a co-morbidity but it's completely managed. However, if I got COVID and died, I should be listed as a COVID death. It would be different if a person truly was in hospice. That would be up to the hospital or whomever on how to list the cause of death. If a person has AIDS and they die of Pneumonia, that death was precipitated by AIDS. Under the way these Trumpies think things should work, AIDS would have been a benign disease since you don't technically die of it. I'm pretty sure that's right, not an expert.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, i don't think it's a conspiracy thing. I can't recall where I heard or read it, or if it's even reputable. i just thought I had read that if you have two morbitities, and one is covid, it's listed as a covid death. obviously not if you are positive and get hit by a bus, but like something like you mentioned. I'd have to look into this to confirm/debunk it.MayDay10 said:
Has it happened? Maybe? It is one of those garbage anecdotal accounts that everyone hears, watches a youtube vid, or reads on the internet and then passes it off as their own experience and expertise. Its the same method used by all the idiots wage war on vaccinations.HughFreakingDillon said:
is there not some truth to that?MayDay10 said:
They believe that the Covid story is overblown by the "media" and the "left" in order to make trump look bad and lose the election. They believe the 'story' will vanish after election day.OnWis97 said:cincybearcat said:
I can't understand how people could see this and be like..."See Covid's not so bad. If I get it I just get a helicopter ride to my own personal suite. I get a team of doctors, all the latest equipment and even experimental drugs. The after a few days, even though I'm still visibly not well and breathing is hard I will go back to WORK!!!!"MayDay10 said:he is obviously going to press hard framing:
Biden as the guy who will shut everything down and keep it that way....
versus
Trump, who will make sure we immediately have normal life begin again. Kids in school, tailgating at football games, no masks, rallies, etc...It's baffling. 210,000 people have died but Trump (is tricking them into believing that he) has gotten better quickly so they're like "pfffft...it's nothing; an inconvenient four days." I think the following things play into it: The cult-like devotion to Trump; the ignorance of data in favor of anecdotes (that tell the story they hope to hear); unwillingness to admit to being wrong about anything ever; just plain lack of critical thinking.
And, just to look like a tough guy, Trump is telling people that it was no big deal; people that he knows would follow him off of a cliff. This might be the most irresponsible thing he's ever done (though the competition for that distinction is quite fierce).
I have heard the anecdote about the person in hospice with Cancer who got covid while dying and the death counted as a Covid death like 50 times, whether its an Aunt, Grandpa, Friend's dad, friend who works in a hospital told me, etc.
So they do not believe it is 210,000. They believe its roughly in line with the flu. Now Trump going down for a few days and "felling better than he has in 20 years" will just confirm that.
I doubt there is a conspiracy for doctors to count as many deaths as possible as Covid to make Donald Trump look bad.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Then would Trump have been admitted to the Hospital for a Cocktail of medication(Experimental) for the Flu?tbergs said:Can we make sure there's a space capsule ready to launch this fuck in to space when he loses the election?Trump, who is currently being treated for COVID-19, has been downplaying the severity of the disease that has killed more than 210,000 in the U.S.
"Many people every year, sometimes over 100,000, and despite the Vaccine, die from the Flu," Trump said in the tweet. "Are we going to close down our Country? No, we have learned to live with it, just like we are learning to live with Covid, in most populations far less lethal!!!" However, during the 2019-2020 flu season, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 38 million people in the U.S. got the flu and 21,909 of them died.
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I would not rule out that he steps down before the end of the term to hand it over to Pence so that his first and last action as president is to pardon this fuckface.tbergs said:Can we make sure there's a space capsule ready to launch this fuck in to space when he loses the election?Trump, who is currently being treated for COVID-19, has been downplaying the severity of the disease that has killed more than 210,000 in the U.S.
"Many people every year, sometimes over 100,000, and despite the Vaccine, die from the Flu," Trump said in the tweet. "Are we going to close down our Country? No, we have learned to live with it, just like we are learning to live with Covid, in most populations far less lethal!!!" However, during the 2019-2020 flu season, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 38 million people in the U.S. got the flu and 21,909 of them died.
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i was just thinking.
could it be possible that trump has lost the gop? could it be possible that mcconnell will not negotiate the relief bill because trump wants him to get a deal done?
could this be the october surprise that the gop will cut ties with trump?
probably wishful thinking, but could it be possible?
come on humor me. EVH died and i need some good news..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Zero chance. Those ghouls will ride that train right to the end.gimmesometruth27 said:i was just thinking.
could it be possible that trump has lost the gop? could it be possible that mcconnell will not negotiate the relief bill because trump wants him to get a deal done?
could this be the october surprise that the gop will cut ties with trump?
probably wishful thinking, but could it be possible?
come on humor me. EVH died and i need some good news...0 -
I'd be shocked if you could pardon future crimes. No way Trump is charged and convicted with anything before January, so there'd be nothing to pardon as of yet.Jearlpam0925 said:
I would not rule out that he steps down before the end of the term to hand it over to Pence so that his first and last action as president is to pardon this fuckface.tbergs said:Can we make sure there's a space capsule ready to launch this fuck in to space when he loses the election?Trump, who is currently being treated for COVID-19, has been downplaying the severity of the disease that has killed more than 210,000 in the U.S.
"Many people every year, sometimes over 100,000, and despite the Vaccine, die from the Flu," Trump said in the tweet. "Are we going to close down our Country? No, we have learned to live with it, just like we are learning to live with Covid, in most populations far less lethal!!!" However, during the 2019-2020 flu season, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 38 million people in the U.S. got the flu and 21,909 of them died.
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i was just thinking because how often has trump directed anybody to do anything and then they get it done? he has a history of having something happen and then saying he directed whomever to get it done. all i am saying, in my head at least, maybe mitch said he is not going to negotiate a deal and then trump is claiming credit for telling his people to not make a deal. pre-emptive saving face?MayDay10 said:
Zero chance. Those ghouls will ride that train right to the end.gimmesometruth27 said:i was just thinking.
could it be possible that trump has lost the gop? could it be possible that mcconnell will not negotiate the relief bill because trump wants him to get a deal done?
could this be the october surprise that the gop will cut ties with trump?
probably wishful thinking, but could it be possible?
come on humor me. EVH died and i need some good news..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
This only hurts down ballot repubs. Continuing to negotiate while stating your differences and why does not equate to refusing to negotiate. This is nothing but a really bad look for the repub party. The only folks who won't care are the 35% base of deplorables. Those folks are awaiting their ascension to Heaven. So much winning!gimmesometruth27 said:
i was just thinking because how often has trump directed anybody to do anything and then they get it done? he has a history of having something happen and then saying he directed whomever to get it done. all i am saying, in my head at least, maybe mitch said he is not going to negotiate a deal and then trump is claiming credit for telling his people to not make a deal. pre-emptive saving face?MayDay10 said:
Zero chance. Those ghouls will ride that train right to the end.gimmesometruth27 said:i was just thinking.
could it be possible that trump has lost the gop? could it be possible that mcconnell will not negotiate the relief bill because trump wants him to get a deal done?
could this be the october surprise that the gop will cut ties with trump?
probably wishful thinking, but could it be possible?
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Mine tooHughFreakingDillon said:
not really. that's on my mom's side. my dad's side everyone dies very early (heart issues).mrussel1 said:
Hey good for you! You have those genes! I have cholesterol generating genes. Not so good.HughFreakingDillon said:
they look at anecdotal evidence of the few outliers that smoke a pack a day for 70 years and live to 100. i actually am related to two of those. two married chronic smokers and alcoholics that have been that way for decades. both approaching their 90's. still both living in a house unassisted. it's kind of nuts.jerparker20 said:
Right. It’s like some of the hardcore smokers I have in my family, that don’t believe smoking is bad. People die of lung cancer, but Smoking isn’t the cause, it’s bad genes or something. It’s baffling, and it’s not worth arguing with them either.mrussel1 said:
This is true. I have a co-morbidity but it's completely managed. However, if I got COVID and died, I should be listed as a COVID death. It would be different if a person truly was in hospice. That would be up to the hospital or whomever on how to list the cause of death. If a person has AIDS and they die of Pneumonia, that death was precipitated by AIDS. Under the way these Trumpies think things should work, AIDS would have been a benign disease since you don't technically die of it. I'm pretty sure that's right, not an expert.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, i don't think it's a conspiracy thing. I can't recall where I heard or read it, or if it's even reputable. i just thought I had read that if you have two morbitities, and one is covid, it's listed as a covid death. obviously not if you are positive and get hit by a bus, but like something like you mentioned. I'd have to look into this to confirm/debunk it.MayDay10 said:
Has it happened? Maybe? It is one of those garbage anecdotal accounts that everyone hears, watches a youtube vid, or reads on the internet and then passes it off as their own experience and expertise. Its the same method used by all the idiots wage war on vaccinations.HughFreakingDillon said:
is there not some truth to that?MayDay10 said:
They believe that the Covid story is overblown by the "media" and the "left" in order to make trump look bad and lose the election. They believe the 'story' will vanish after election day.OnWis97 said:cincybearcat said:
I can't understand how people could see this and be like..."See Covid's not so bad. If I get it I just get a helicopter ride to my own personal suite. I get a team of doctors, all the latest equipment and even experimental drugs. The after a few days, even though I'm still visibly not well and breathing is hard I will go back to WORK!!!!"MayDay10 said:he is obviously going to press hard framing:
Biden as the guy who will shut everything down and keep it that way....
versus
Trump, who will make sure we immediately have normal life begin again. Kids in school, tailgating at football games, no masks, rallies, etc...It's baffling. 210,000 people have died but Trump (is tricking them into believing that he) has gotten better quickly so they're like "pfffft...it's nothing; an inconvenient four days." I think the following things play into it: The cult-like devotion to Trump; the ignorance of data in favor of anecdotes (that tell the story they hope to hear); unwillingness to admit to being wrong about anything ever; just plain lack of critical thinking.
And, just to look like a tough guy, Trump is telling people that it was no big deal; people that he knows would follow him off of a cliff. This might be the most irresponsible thing he's ever done (though the competition for that distinction is quite fierce).
I have heard the anecdote about the person in hospice with Cancer who got covid while dying and the death counted as a Covid death like 50 times, whether its an Aunt, Grandpa, Friend's dad, friend who works in a hospital told me, etc.
So they do not believe it is 210,000. They believe its roughly in line with the flu. Now Trump going down for a few days and "felling better than he has in 20 years" will just confirm that.
I doubt there is a conspiracy for doctors to count as many deaths as possible as Covid to make Donald Trump look bad.0 -
He knows Covid is a lost cause for his re-election so he's pivoting to SCOTUS to make sure they ram that through before it's too late.gimmesometruth27 said:
i was just thinking because how often has trump directed anybody to do anything and then they get it done? he has a history of having something happen and then saying he directed whomever to get it done. all i am saying, in my head at least, maybe mitch said he is not going to negotiate a deal and then trump is claiming credit for telling his people to not make a deal. pre-emptive saving face?MayDay10 said:
Zero chance. Those ghouls will ride that train right to the end.gimmesometruth27 said:i was just thinking.
could it be possible that trump has lost the gop? could it be possible that mcconnell will not negotiate the relief bill because trump wants him to get a deal done?
could this be the october surprise that the gop will cut ties with trump?
probably wishful thinking, but could it be possible?
come on humor me. EVH died and i need some good news...It's a hopeless situation...0 -
I'm surprised he cares at all. He's more likely thinking about how to set up his next media endeavor. His properties won't be worth shit and his nationwide brand is toxic. But what he can do is take Fox's audience. 35% of the country translates into a shit ton of money for TV revenue.tbergs said:
He knows Covid is a lost cause for his re-election so he's pivoting to SCOTUS to make sure they ram that through before it's too late.gimmesometruth27 said:
i was just thinking because how often has trump directed anybody to do anything and then they get it done? he has a history of having something happen and then saying he directed whomever to get it done. all i am saying, in my head at least, maybe mitch said he is not going to negotiate a deal and then trump is claiming credit for telling his people to not make a deal. pre-emptive saving face?MayDay10 said:
Zero chance. Those ghouls will ride that train right to the end.gimmesometruth27 said:i was just thinking.
could it be possible that trump has lost the gop? could it be possible that mcconnell will not negotiate the relief bill because trump wants him to get a deal done?
could this be the october surprise that the gop will cut ties with trump?
probably wishful thinking, but could it be possible?
come on humor me. EVH died and i need some good news...0 -
He hates being president, except for the adulation of his devotees, but he can get that either way. But I don't think he can bring himself to lose for ego's sake. (And some people think he might actually have legal trouble once he's done, but I tend to doubt it)mrussel1 said:
I'm surprised he cares at all. He's more likely thinking about how to set up his next media endeavor. His properties won't be worth shit and his nationwide brand is toxic. But what he can do is take Fox's audience. 35% of the country translates into a shit ton of money for TV revenue.tbergs said:
He knows Covid is a lost cause for his re-election so he's pivoting to SCOTUS to make sure they ram that through before it's too late.gimmesometruth27 said:
i was just thinking because how often has trump directed anybody to do anything and then they get it done? he has a history of having something happen and then saying he directed whomever to get it done. all i am saying, in my head at least, maybe mitch said he is not going to negotiate a deal and then trump is claiming credit for telling his people to not make a deal. pre-emptive saving face?MayDay10 said:
Zero chance. Those ghouls will ride that train right to the end.gimmesometruth27 said:i was just thinking.
could it be possible that trump has lost the gop? could it be possible that mcconnell will not negotiate the relief bill because trump wants him to get a deal done?
could this be the october surprise that the gop will cut ties with trump?
probably wishful thinking, but could it be possible?
come on humor me. EVH died and i need some good news...
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Jearlpam0925 said:
Taking his ball and going home. Saw the news that the vaccine had no shot before the Election so the White House dropped their objections to the FDA. Hence breaking off relief bill talks. Talk about a fucking swamp.mrussel1 said:
Walking away and refusing to negotiate is almost like he's giving up. I'm really surprised.static111 said:
Yep it sure didstatic111 said:
Did it just tank?gimmesometruth27 said:trump's superpower is the uncanny ability to tank the market with a single moronic tweet.
He's gonna nominate a third SCOTUS, and then bounce, along with a lame duck Senate. Absolute travesty. Pack. The. Fucking. Courts.
Totally agree!
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brianlux said:Jearlpam0925 said:
Taking his ball and going home. Saw the news that the vaccine had no shot before the Election so the White House dropped their objections to the FDA. Hence breaking off relief bill talks. Talk about a fucking swamp.mrussel1 said:
Walking away and refusing to negotiate is almost like he's giving up. I'm really surprised.static111 said:
Yep it sure didstatic111 said:
Did it just tank?gimmesometruth27 said:trump's superpower is the uncanny ability to tank the market with a single moronic tweet.
He's gonna nominate a third SCOTUS, and then bounce, along with a lame duck Senate. Absolute travesty. Pack. The. Fucking. Courts.
Totally agree!
Getting DC stathood first is imperative mostly because they deserve it and also those folks are not represented in the senate. Without those 2 seats the Rs are more likely to pack/flip the Court back or even block all nominations. More small states vote R which gives them better odds to win senate back down the road
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Stephen Miller has covid
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