Donald Trump

EdsonNascimento

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

static111 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

trump's superpower is the uncanny ability to tank the market with a single moronic tweet.

Did it just tank?

Yep it sure did

Walking away and refusing to negotiate is almost like he's giving up.  I'm really surprised.

Would you agree they should pass a laser focused bill that puts $1200 into each adult’s pocket immediately?

No,  that's the Trump talking point of the hour,  after he figured out that he blew himself up again,  just like the shutdown freak out a few years ago.  

The Democrats want extended unemployment benefits.  The nature of compromise is that you make one.  You don't flip over the game board and walk out like he just did.  Stupid. 

So you're against giving each adult $1,200?

I didn't ask about Trump or Pelosi's individual negotiation strategies.

Do you think it's a good idea to pass something immediately to put $1,200 in each adults pocket? I guess maybe you answered that - not without a bigger payout.  

To be clear - I'm not saying - to the exclusion of all other ideas. I'm just saying - are you against doing something that immediately gives each adult $1,200 without doing anything else in that bill?

Dude.. seriously, this is a benign argument.  If I need $100 and have leverage and you only offer me $10, should I take the $10 and try to get the other $90 later?  No, I push for as close to $100 as possible because you're not coming back to the table after the $10.  It's pretty straightforward politics. 

Lol I understand negotiation perfectly well.

you're not answering the question, so I will assume your answer like Pelosi's is - no. I do not want to take care of these things that will help individuals, I need on-site voter registration as a trade off.

I love how Trump flipping the board (a very nice analogy, I must say) is not a negotiation tactic, but whatever Pelosi is doing is.  What Trump has done is not flip flopping or erratic as some in the media have written. It is actually what you do to people that won't budge.

Trump is losing the election. The only thing that can come of this tactic is POSITIVE for him. Pelosi - not so much.  She's overplaying what she sees as a strong hand that will either Nov 3 (lose an election the Dems have already won) or after come back to bite her (heavy is the head that wears the crown). 

The last thing we need is Billions of $'s going to States that have mismanaged themselves into oblivion. If you think people making over $400K are going to pay that bill, you're kidding yourself.  OF course, Cali and NY (I am actually from NY - please - spare me please - give my State more money to throw down a toilet you Podunk idiots) are going to love that - but those aren't the focus. What do you think people in Florida and Ohio are going to think about bailing out Cali and NY?

Funny that there is a segment of the population that is against Trump's suggestion that we do that on its own immediately b/c of NEGOTIATION!  Lol.  You guys are funny. 

This echo chamber has been fun to watch.  At some point, you're all going to wake up and say - wait - maybe I should have listened to other perspectives.  Maybe, I was wrong on something.  Nah.  My establishment candidates are back, well ensconced suckling at the teat of... wait a minute!

Gern Blansten

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

static111 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

trump's superpower is the uncanny ability to tank the market with a single moronic tweet.

Did it just tank?

Yep it sure did

Walking away and refusing to negotiate is almost like he's giving up.  I'm really surprised.

Would you agree they should pass a laser focused bill that puts $1200 into each adult’s pocket immediately?

No,  that's the Trump talking point of the hour,  after he figured out that he blew himself up again,  just like the shutdown freak out a few years ago.  

The Democrats want extended unemployment benefits.  The nature of compromise is that you make one.  You don't flip over the game board and walk out like he just did.  Stupid. 

So you're against giving each adult $1,200?

I didn't ask about Trump or Pelosi's individual negotiation strategies.

Do you think it's a good idea to pass something immediately to put $1,200 in each adults pocket? I guess maybe you answered that - not without a bigger payout.  

To be clear - I'm not saying - to the exclusion of all other ideas. I'm just saying - are you against doing something that immediately gives each adult $1,200 without doing anything else in that bill?

Dude.. seriously, this is a benign argument.  If I need $100 and have leverage and you only offer me $10, should I take the $10 and try to get the other $90 later?  No, I push for as close to $100 as possible because you're not coming back to the table after the $10.  It's pretty straightforward politics. 

Lol I understand negotiation perfectly well.

you're not answering the question, so I will assume your answer like Pelosi's is - no. I do not want to take care of these things that will help individuals, I need on-site voter registration as a trade off.

I love how Trump flipping the board (a very nice analogy, I must say) is not a negotiation tactic, but whatever Pelosi is doing is.  What Trump has done is not flip flopping or erratic as some in the media have written. It is actually what you do to people that won't budge.

Trump is losing the election. The only thing that can come of this tactic is POSITIVE for him. Pelosi - not so much.  She's overplaying what she sees as a strong hand that will either Nov 3 (lose an election the Dems have already won) or after come back to bite her (heavy is the head that wears the crown). 

The last thing we need is Billions of $'s going to States that have mismanaged themselves into oblivion. If you think people making over $400K are going to pay that bill, you're kidding yourself.  OF course, Cali and NY (I am actually from NY - please - spare me please - give my State more money to throw down a toilet you Podunk idiots) are going to love that - but those aren't the focus. What do you think people in Florida and Ohio are going to think about bailing out Cali and NY?

Funny that there is a segment of the population that is against Trump's suggestion that we do that on its own immediately b/c of NEGOTIATION!  Lol.  You guys are funny. 

This echo chamber has been fun to watch.  At some point, you're all going to wake up and say - wait - maybe I should have listened to other perspectives.  Maybe, I was wrong on something.  Nah.  My establishment candidates are back, well ensconced suckling at the teat of... wait a minute!

If you think that move is positive for tRump you have lost your mind.

HughFreakingDillon

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

static111 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

trump's superpower is the uncanny ability to tank the market with a single moronic tweet.

Did it just tank?

Yep it sure did

Walking away and refusing to negotiate is almost like he's giving up.  I'm really surprised.

Would you agree they should pass a laser focused bill that puts $1200 into each adult’s pocket immediately?

No,  that's the Trump talking point of the hour,  after he figured out that he blew himself up again,  just like the shutdown freak out a few years ago.  

The Democrats want extended unemployment benefits.  The nature of compromise is that you make one.  You don't flip over the game board and walk out like he just did.  Stupid. 

So you're against giving each adult $1,200?

I didn't ask about Trump or Pelosi's individual negotiation strategies.

Do you think it's a good idea to pass something immediately to put $1,200 in each adults pocket? I guess maybe you answered that - not without a bigger payout.  

To be clear - I'm not saying - to the exclusion of all other ideas. I'm just saying - are you against doing something that immediately gives each adult $1,200 without doing anything else in that bill?

Dude.. seriously, this is a benign argument.  If I need $100 and have leverage and you only offer me $10, should I take the $10 and try to get the other $90 later?  No, I push for as close to $100 as possible because you're not coming back to the table after the $10.  It's pretty straightforward politics. 

Lol I understand negotiation perfectly well.

you're not answering the question, so I will assume your answer like Pelosi's is - no. I do not want to take care of these things that will help individuals, I need on-site voter registration as a trade off.

I love how Trump flipping the board (a very nice analogy, I must say) is not a negotiation tactic, but whatever Pelosi is doing is.  What Trump has done is not flip flopping or erratic as some in the media have written. It is actually what you do to people that won't budge.

Trump is losing the election. The only thing that can come of this tactic is POSITIVE for him. Pelosi - not so much.  She's overplaying what she sees as a strong hand that will either Nov 3 (lose an election the Dems have already won) or after come back to bite her (heavy is the head that wears the crown). 

The last thing we need is Billions of $'s going to States that have mismanaged themselves into oblivion. If you think people making over $400K are going to pay that bill, you're kidding yourself.  OF course, Cali and NY (I am actually from NY - please - spare me please - give my State more money to throw down a toilet you Podunk idiots) are going to love that - but those aren't the focus. What do you think people in Florida and Ohio are going to think about bailing out Cali and NY?

Funny that there is a segment of the population that is against Trump's suggestion that we do that on its own immediately b/c of NEGOTIATION!  Lol.  You guys are funny. 

This echo chamber has been fun to watch.  At some point, you're all going to wake up and say - wait - maybe I should have listened to other perspectives.  Maybe, I was wrong on something.  Nah.  My establishment candidates are back, well ensconced suckling at the teat of... wait a minute!

ah, the echo chamber. we've all spent 5 years listening to other perspectives. it's time for those perspectives to be flushed like the turds they are. 

gimmesometruth27

HughFreakingDillon said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

static111 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

trump's superpower is the uncanny ability to tank the market with a single moronic tweet.

Did it just tank?

Yep it sure did

Walking away and refusing to negotiate is almost like he's giving up.  I'm really surprised.

Would you agree they should pass a laser focused bill that puts $1200 into each adult’s pocket immediately?

No,  that's the Trump talking point of the hour,  after he figured out that he blew himself up again,  just like the shutdown freak out a few years ago.  

The Democrats want extended unemployment benefits.  The nature of compromise is that you make one.  You don't flip over the game board and walk out like he just did.  Stupid. 

So you're against giving each adult $1,200?

I didn't ask about Trump or Pelosi's individual negotiation strategies.

Do you think it's a good idea to pass something immediately to put $1,200 in each adults pocket? I guess maybe you answered that - not without a bigger payout.  

To be clear - I'm not saying - to the exclusion of all other ideas. I'm just saying - are you against doing something that immediately gives each adult $1,200 without doing anything else in that bill?

Dude.. seriously, this is a benign argument.  If I need $100 and have leverage and you only offer me $10, should I take the $10 and try to get the other $90 later?  No, I push for as close to $100 as possible because you're not coming back to the table after the $10.  It's pretty straightforward politics. 

Lol I understand negotiation perfectly well.

you're not answering the question, so I will assume your answer like Pelosi's is - no. I do not want to take care of these things that will help individuals, I need on-site voter registration as a trade off.

I love how Trump flipping the board (a very nice analogy, I must say) is not a negotiation tactic, but whatever Pelosi is doing is.  What Trump has done is not flip flopping or erratic as some in the media have written. It is actually what you do to people that won't budge.

Trump is losing the election. The only thing that can come of this tactic is POSITIVE for him. Pelosi - not so much.  She's overplaying what she sees as a strong hand that will either Nov 3 (lose an election the Dems have already won) or after come back to bite her (heavy is the head that wears the crown). 

The last thing we need is Billions of $'s going to States that have mismanaged themselves into oblivion. If you think people making over $400K are going to pay that bill, you're kidding yourself.  OF course, Cali and NY (I am actually from NY - please - spare me please - give my State more money to throw down a toilet you Podunk idiots) are going to love that - but those aren't the focus. What do you think people in Florida and Ohio are going to think about bailing out Cali and NY?

Funny that there is a segment of the population that is against Trump's suggestion that we do that on its own immediately b/c of NEGOTIATION!  Lol.  You guys are funny. 

This echo chamber has been fun to watch.  At some point, you're all going to wake up and say - wait - maybe I should have listened to other perspectives.  Maybe, I was wrong on something.  Nah.  My establishment candidates are back, well ensconced suckling at the teat of... wait a minute!

ah, the echo chamber. we've all spent 5 years listening to other perspectives. it's time for those perspectives to be flushed like the turds they are. 

100%

edson your team had your time in power and has been a complete and utter failure. it is time for the adults to come back in and fix your shit, as we always have to do.

mickeyrat

you know what can help soon enough? restoration of the unreimbursed employee expenses since all those folks are working from home.....

mickeyrat

and again rules in favor of NYS....

Manhattan D.A. Can Obtain Trump’s Tax Returns, Judges Rule https://nyti.ms/3jEhzDB

mrussel1

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

static111 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

trump's superpower is the uncanny ability to tank the market with a single moronic tweet.

Did it just tank?

Yep it sure did

Walking away and refusing to negotiate is almost like he's giving up.  I'm really surprised.

Would you agree they should pass a laser focused bill that puts $1200 into each adult’s pocket immediately?

No,  that's the Trump talking point of the hour,  after he figured out that he blew himself up again,  just like the shutdown freak out a few years ago.  

The Democrats want extended unemployment benefits.  The nature of compromise is that you make one.  You don't flip over the game board and walk out like he just did.  Stupid. 

So you're against giving each adult $1,200?

I didn't ask about Trump or Pelosi's individual negotiation strategies.

Do you think it's a good idea to pass something immediately to put $1,200 in each adults pocket? I guess maybe you answered that - not without a bigger payout.  

To be clear - I'm not saying - to the exclusion of all other ideas. I'm just saying - are you against doing something that immediately gives each adult $1,200 without doing anything else in that bill?

Dude.. seriously, this is a benign argument.  If I need $100 and have leverage and you only offer me $10, should I take the $10 and try to get the other $90 later?  No, I push for as close to $100 as possible because you're not coming back to the table after the $10.  It's pretty straightforward politics. 

Lol I understand negotiation perfectly well.

you're not answering the question, so I will assume your answer like Pelosi's is - no. I do not want to take care of these things that will help individuals, I need on-site voter registration as a trade off.

I love how Trump flipping the board (a very nice analogy, I must say) is not a negotiation tactic, but whatever Pelosi is doing is.  What Trump has done is not flip flopping or erratic as some in the media have written. It is actually what you do to people that won't budge.

Trump is losing the election. The only thing that can come of this tactic is POSITIVE for him. Pelosi - not so much.  She's overplaying what she sees as a strong hand that will either Nov 3 (lose an election the Dems have already won) or after come back to bite her (heavy is the head that wears the crown). 

The last thing we need is Billions of $'s going to States that have mismanaged themselves into oblivion. If you think people making over $400K are going to pay that bill, you're kidding yourself.  OF course, Cali and NY (I am actually from NY - please - spare me please - give my State more money to throw down a toilet you Podunk idiots) are going to love that - but those aren't the focus. What do you think people in Florida and Ohio are going to think about bailing out Cali and NY?

Funny that there is a segment of the population that is against Trump's suggestion that we do that on its own immediately b/c of NEGOTIATION!  Lol.  You guys are funny. 

This echo chamber has been fun to watch.  At some point, you're all going to wake up and say - wait - maybe I should have listened to other perspectives.  Maybe, I was wrong on something.  Nah.  My establishment candidates are back, well ensconced suckling at the teat of... wait a minute!

Trump twitting out that he instructed his team to stop negotiating is a huge mistake because that's the first and lasting message that people take away.  It's precisely the same as when he said "I'm proud to shut down the government!".  He has taken ownership of the failure to negotiate a deal.  It's that simple.  Your argument that Trump is losing so Nancy has the most to lose makes no sense.  People will blame Trump for this because they blame the person in charge and they blame the person that walked away. Pelosi's hand only strengthened with Trump's outburst.  And Trump flipping the board IS a tactic, I'll agree with that, it's just a terrible one.  It's a real estate strategy where public perception is irrelevant.  It's everything in this deal.  

EdsonNascimento

Gern Blansten said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

static111 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

trump's superpower is the uncanny ability to tank the market with a single moronic tweet.

Did it just tank?

Yep it sure did

Walking away and refusing to negotiate is almost like he's giving up.  I'm really surprised.

Would you agree they should pass a laser focused bill that puts $1200 into each adult’s pocket immediately?

No,  that's the Trump talking point of the hour,  after he figured out that he blew himself up again,  just like the shutdown freak out a few years ago.  

The Democrats want extended unemployment benefits.  The nature of compromise is that you make one.  You don't flip over the game board and walk out like he just did.  Stupid. 

So you're against giving each adult $1,200?

I didn't ask about Trump or Pelosi's individual negotiation strategies.

Do you think it's a good idea to pass something immediately to put $1,200 in each adults pocket? I guess maybe you answered that - not without a bigger payout.  

To be clear - I'm not saying - to the exclusion of all other ideas. I'm just saying - are you against doing something that immediately gives each adult $1,200 without doing anything else in that bill?

Dude.. seriously, this is a benign argument.  If I need $100 and have leverage and you only offer me $10, should I take the $10 and try to get the other $90 later?  No, I push for as close to $100 as possible because you're not coming back to the table after the $10.  It's pretty straightforward politics. 

Lol I understand negotiation perfectly well.

you're not answering the question, so I will assume your answer like Pelosi's is - no. I do not want to take care of these things that will help individuals, I need on-site voter registration as a trade off.

I love how Trump flipping the board (a very nice analogy, I must say) is not a negotiation tactic, but whatever Pelosi is doing is.  What Trump has done is not flip flopping or erratic as some in the media have written. It is actually what you do to people that won't budge.

Trump is losing the election. The only thing that can come of this tactic is POSITIVE for him. Pelosi - not so much.  She's overplaying what she sees as a strong hand that will either Nov 3 (lose an election the Dems have already won) or after come back to bite her (heavy is the head that wears the crown). 

The last thing we need is Billions of $'s going to States that have mismanaged themselves into oblivion. If you think people making over $400K are going to pay that bill, you're kidding yourself.  OF course, Cali and NY (I am actually from NY - please - spare me please - give my State more money to throw down a toilet you Podunk idiots) are going to love that - but those aren't the focus. What do you think people in Florida and Ohio are going to think about bailing out Cali and NY?

Funny that there is a segment of the population that is against Trump's suggestion that we do that on its own immediately b/c of NEGOTIATION!  Lol.  You guys are funny. 

This echo chamber has been fun to watch.  At some point, you're all going to wake up and say - wait - maybe I should have listened to other perspectives.  Maybe, I was wrong on something.  Nah.  My establishment candidates are back, well ensconced suckling at the teat of... wait a minute!

If you think that move is positive for tRump you have lost your mind.

I do not. 

Let me be clear - Biden is going to win.  Pelosi can have whatever she wants at that point.  Why not get individuals money they need sooner than later and do away with all the strings attached to it? If Trump is willing to do $1200/adult and you agree why not just do that?  In 3 months, you'll be able to do the rest.  You're not getting it done now. That's the clear unequivocal message he's sent. Does it matter when you get your on-site voter registration (it couldn't be implemented this year anyway)?  Does it matter when you get the States their money?  Why not just do what he's willing to do and tag the rest for January 23 (or whatever date)?

If he wins (extraordinarily unlikely), you aren't getting any of that anyway. 

stuckinline

GlowGirl

mickeyrat said:

you know what can help soon enough? restoration of the unreimbursed employee expenses since all those folks are working from home.....

Yes. I have been working from home since 2006. But I am not self-employed so I get W-2s. But I still have to buy my own computer, printer, printer ink, office equipment, wifi, electricity, etc. I used to be able to deduct that as a home office (even part of my rent). But that went out the window. I still have to pay for all of these things, but no tax deduction.

mrussel1

EdsonNascimento said:

Gern Blansten said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

static111 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

trump's superpower is the uncanny ability to tank the market with a single moronic tweet.

Did it just tank?

Yep it sure did

Walking away and refusing to negotiate is almost like he's giving up.  I'm really surprised.

Would you agree they should pass a laser focused bill that puts $1200 into each adult’s pocket immediately?

No,  that's the Trump talking point of the hour,  after he figured out that he blew himself up again,  just like the shutdown freak out a few years ago.  

The Democrats want extended unemployment benefits.  The nature of compromise is that you make one.  You don't flip over the game board and walk out like he just did.  Stupid. 

So you're against giving each adult $1,200?

I didn't ask about Trump or Pelosi's individual negotiation strategies.

Do you think it's a good idea to pass something immediately to put $1,200 in each adults pocket? I guess maybe you answered that - not without a bigger payout.  

To be clear - I'm not saying - to the exclusion of all other ideas. I'm just saying - are you against doing something that immediately gives each adult $1,200 without doing anything else in that bill?

Dude.. seriously, this is a benign argument.  If I need $100 and have leverage and you only offer me $10, should I take the $10 and try to get the other $90 later?  No, I push for as close to $100 as possible because you're not coming back to the table after the $10.  It's pretty straightforward politics. 

Lol I understand negotiation perfectly well.

you're not answering the question, so I will assume your answer like Pelosi's is - no. I do not want to take care of these things that will help individuals, I need on-site voter registration as a trade off.

I love how Trump flipping the board (a very nice analogy, I must say) is not a negotiation tactic, but whatever Pelosi is doing is.  What Trump has done is not flip flopping or erratic as some in the media have written. It is actually what you do to people that won't budge.

Trump is losing the election. The only thing that can come of this tactic is POSITIVE for him. Pelosi - not so much.  She's overplaying what she sees as a strong hand that will either Nov 3 (lose an election the Dems have already won) or after come back to bite her (heavy is the head that wears the crown). 

The last thing we need is Billions of $'s going to States that have mismanaged themselves into oblivion. If you think people making over $400K are going to pay that bill, you're kidding yourself.  OF course, Cali and NY (I am actually from NY - please - spare me please - give my State more money to throw down a toilet you Podunk idiots) are going to love that - but those aren't the focus. What do you think people in Florida and Ohio are going to think about bailing out Cali and NY?

Funny that there is a segment of the population that is against Trump's suggestion that we do that on its own immediately b/c of NEGOTIATION!  Lol.  You guys are funny. 

This echo chamber has been fun to watch.  At some point, you're all going to wake up and say - wait - maybe I should have listened to other perspectives.  Maybe, I was wrong on something.  Nah.  My establishment candidates are back, well ensconced suckling at the teat of... wait a minute!

If you think that move is positive for tRump you have lost your mind.

I do not. 

Let me be clear - Biden is going to win.  Pelosi can have whatever she wants at that point.  Why not get individuals money they need sooner than later and do away with all the strings attached to it? If Trump is willing to do $1200/adult and you agree why not just do that?  In 3 months, you'll be able to do the rest.  You're not getting it done now. That's the clear unequivocal message he's sent. Does it matter when you get your on-site voter registration (it couldn't be implemented this year anyway)?  Does it matter when you get the States their money?  Why not just do what he's willing to do and tag the rest for January 23 (or whatever date)?

If he wins (extraordinarily unlikely), you aren't getting any of that anyway. 

You're forgetting about the senate.  While there's a good chance Trump loses,  senate is 50/50 at best,  especially with Cal Cunningham shooting himself in the foot. So I get your point,  but I don't think that's the way I would do it in Pelosi's shoes.  Hammer the deal you want or hammer him to ensure he loses,  and takes the senate with him.  Then you've got your deal. 

EdsonNascimento

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Gern Blansten said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

static111 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

trump's superpower is the uncanny ability to tank the market with a single moronic tweet.

Did it just tank?

Yep it sure did

Walking away and refusing to negotiate is almost like he's giving up.  I'm really surprised.

Would you agree they should pass a laser focused bill that puts $1200 into each adult’s pocket immediately?

No,  that's the Trump talking point of the hour,  after he figured out that he blew himself up again,  just like the shutdown freak out a few years ago.  

The Democrats want extended unemployment benefits.  The nature of compromise is that you make one.  You don't flip over the game board and walk out like he just did.  Stupid. 

So you're against giving each adult $1,200?

I didn't ask about Trump or Pelosi's individual negotiation strategies.

Do you think it's a good idea to pass something immediately to put $1,200 in each adults pocket? I guess maybe you answered that - not without a bigger payout.  

To be clear - I'm not saying - to the exclusion of all other ideas. I'm just saying - are you against doing something that immediately gives each adult $1,200 without doing anything else in that bill?

Dude.. seriously, this is a benign argument.  If I need $100 and have leverage and you only offer me $10, should I take the $10 and try to get the other $90 later?  No, I push for as close to $100 as possible because you're not coming back to the table after the $10.  It's pretty straightforward politics. 

Lol I understand negotiation perfectly well.

you're not answering the question, so I will assume your answer like Pelosi's is - no. I do not want to take care of these things that will help individuals, I need on-site voter registration as a trade off.

I love how Trump flipping the board (a very nice analogy, I must say) is not a negotiation tactic, but whatever Pelosi is doing is.  What Trump has done is not flip flopping or erratic as some in the media have written. It is actually what you do to people that won't budge.

Trump is losing the election. The only thing that can come of this tactic is POSITIVE for him. Pelosi - not so much.  She's overplaying what she sees as a strong hand that will either Nov 3 (lose an election the Dems have already won) or after come back to bite her (heavy is the head that wears the crown). 

The last thing we need is Billions of $'s going to States that have mismanaged themselves into oblivion. If you think people making over $400K are going to pay that bill, you're kidding yourself.  OF course, Cali and NY (I am actually from NY - please - spare me please - give my State more money to throw down a toilet you Podunk idiots) are going to love that - but those aren't the focus. What do you think people in Florida and Ohio are going to think about bailing out Cali and NY?

Funny that there is a segment of the population that is against Trump's suggestion that we do that on its own immediately b/c of NEGOTIATION!  Lol.  You guys are funny. 

This echo chamber has been fun to watch.  At some point, you're all going to wake up and say - wait - maybe I should have listened to other perspectives.  Maybe, I was wrong on something.  Nah.  My establishment candidates are back, well ensconced suckling at the teat of... wait a minute!

If you think that move is positive for tRump you have lost your mind.

I do not. 

Let me be clear - Biden is going to win.  Pelosi can have whatever she wants at that point.  Why not get individuals money they need sooner than later and do away with all the strings attached to it? If Trump is willing to do $1200/adult and you agree why not just do that?  In 3 months, you'll be able to do the rest.  You're not getting it done now. That's the clear unequivocal message he's sent. Does it matter when you get your on-site voter registration (it couldn't be implemented this year anyway)?  Does it matter when you get the States their money?  Why not just do what he's willing to do and tag the rest for January 23 (or whatever date)?

If he wins (extraordinarily unlikely), you aren't getting any of that anyway. 

You're forgetting about the senate.  While there's a good chance Trump loses,  senate is 50/50 at best,  especially with Cal Cunningham shooting himself in the foot. So I get your point,  but I don't think that's the way I would do it in Pelosi's shoes.  Hammer the deal you want or hammer him to ensure he loses,  and takes the senate with him.  Then you've got your deal. 

Ok. So you are against getting adults $1,200 ASAP.

Thanks for the clarity.

I was asking what you thought.  Thank you for answering so clearly.

EdsonNascimento

stuckinline said:

Lol. You think he's going quietly?  CNN is going to need something.  My bet is he ends up with a regular spot there and tells us all how they have more viewers than Fox News because of him.  

mrussel1

EdsonNascimento said:

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EdsonNascimento said:

Gern Blansten said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

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static111 said:

static111 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

trump's superpower is the uncanny ability to tank the market with a single moronic tweet.

Did it just tank?

Yep it sure did

Walking away and refusing to negotiate is almost like he's giving up.  I'm really surprised.

Would you agree they should pass a laser focused bill that puts $1200 into each adult’s pocket immediately?

No,  that's the Trump talking point of the hour,  after he figured out that he blew himself up again,  just like the shutdown freak out a few years ago.  

The Democrats want extended unemployment benefits.  The nature of compromise is that you make one.  You don't flip over the game board and walk out like he just did.  Stupid. 

So you're against giving each adult $1,200?

I didn't ask about Trump or Pelosi's individual negotiation strategies.

Do you think it's a good idea to pass something immediately to put $1,200 in each adults pocket? I guess maybe you answered that - not without a bigger payout.  

To be clear - I'm not saying - to the exclusion of all other ideas. I'm just saying - are you against doing something that immediately gives each adult $1,200 without doing anything else in that bill?

Dude.. seriously, this is a benign argument.  If I need $100 and have leverage and you only offer me $10, should I take the $10 and try to get the other $90 later?  No, I push for as close to $100 as possible because you're not coming back to the table after the $10.  It's pretty straightforward politics. 

Lol I understand negotiation perfectly well.

you're not answering the question, so I will assume your answer like Pelosi's is - no. I do not want to take care of these things that will help individuals, I need on-site voter registration as a trade off.

I love how Trump flipping the board (a very nice analogy, I must say) is not a negotiation tactic, but whatever Pelosi is doing is.  What Trump has done is not flip flopping or erratic as some in the media have written. It is actually what you do to people that won't budge.

Trump is losing the election. The only thing that can come of this tactic is POSITIVE for him. Pelosi - not so much.  She's overplaying what she sees as a strong hand that will either Nov 3 (lose an election the Dems have already won) or after come back to bite her (heavy is the head that wears the crown). 

The last thing we need is Billions of $'s going to States that have mismanaged themselves into oblivion. If you think people making over $400K are going to pay that bill, you're kidding yourself.  OF course, Cali and NY (I am actually from NY - please - spare me please - give my State more money to throw down a toilet you Podunk idiots) are going to love that - but those aren't the focus. What do you think people in Florida and Ohio are going to think about bailing out Cali and NY?

Funny that there is a segment of the population that is against Trump's suggestion that we do that on its own immediately b/c of NEGOTIATION!  Lol.  You guys are funny. 

This echo chamber has been fun to watch.  At some point, you're all going to wake up and say - wait - maybe I should have listened to other perspectives.  Maybe, I was wrong on something.  Nah.  My establishment candidates are back, well ensconced suckling at the teat of... wait a minute!

If you think that move is positive for tRump you have lost your mind.

I do not. 

Let me be clear - Biden is going to win.  Pelosi can have whatever she wants at that point.  Why not get individuals money they need sooner than later and do away with all the strings attached to it? If Trump is willing to do $1200/adult and you agree why not just do that?  In 3 months, you'll be able to do the rest.  You're not getting it done now. That's the clear unequivocal message he's sent. Does it matter when you get your on-site voter registration (it couldn't be implemented this year anyway)?  Does it matter when you get the States their money?  Why not just do what he's willing to do and tag the rest for January 23 (or whatever date)?

If he wins (extraordinarily unlikely), you aren't getting any of that anyway. 

You're forgetting about the senate.  While there's a good chance Trump loses,  senate is 50/50 at best,  especially with Cal Cunningham shooting himself in the foot. So I get your point,  but I don't think that's the way I would do it in Pelosi's shoes.  Hammer the deal you want or hammer him to ensure he loses,  and takes the senate with him.  Then you've got your deal. 

Ok. So you are against getting adults $1,200 ASAP.

Thanks for the clarity.

I was asking what you thought.  Thank you for answering so clearly.

Oh rats, I guess I walked into that trap.  You clever, clever shrew.  I didn't know we were doing junior high debate techniques. 

HughFreakingDillon

the consistent self own of trumpsters is the hilarity and irony i need in 2020

Gern Blansten

LOL...Carly Fiorina just endorsed Biden...on Fox News

Gern Blansten

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2020/10/07/u-s-surgeon-general-jerome-adams-cited-being-closed-hawaii-park/5908183002/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Ummmm....

brianlux

Poncier said:

Also, "we can win in California NOW!" is a new level of delusional.
He trails by what 30 points in California polls. One of the bluest of blue states.

He might actually be able to win Hell Dorado County- the shithead California county where I live- but if he thinks he can take the state, that's just further proof of how unhinged and off his rocker he is.  Crazy!

OnWis97

Gern Blansten said:

LOL...Carly Fiorina just endorsed Biden...on Fox News

I don't recall whether it's this thread but somewhere is the story about all the Trump signs that truckers are seeing. If we wanna play the anecdote game (we shouldn't but here I go), I sure as hell see a lot more Republicans endorsing Biden than Dems endorsing Trump.

This is like, say, Mayor Pete, Andrew Yang, or Tom Steyer going on MSNBC and endorsing Trump.  

We have Republicans for Biden signs and Ts, famous conservatives endorsing Biden, etc. I know you can find the "walk away" folks on social media, but they voted for Trump four years ago. It seems a few conservatives that don't have seats to protect understand that this is about the health of the Republic and not owning the libs or even "issues."

Gern Blansten

OnWis97 said:

Gern Blansten said:

LOL...Carly Fiorina just endorsed Biden...on Fox News

I don't recall whether it's this thread but somewhere is the story about all the Trump signs that truckers are seeing. If we wanna play the anecdote game (we shouldn't but here I go), I sure as hell see a lot more Republicans endorsing Biden than Dems endorsing Trump.

This is like, say, Mayor Pete, Andrew Yang, or Tom Steyer going on MSNBC and endorsing Trump.  

We have Republicans for Biden signs and Ts, famous conservatives endorsing Biden, etc. I know you can find the "walk away" folks on social media, but they voted for Trump four years ago. It seems a few conservatives that don't have seats to protect understand that this is about the health of the Republic and not owning the libs or even "issues."

I think we will see some bigger names endorse Biden as we approach the election.