Donald Trump

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

I haven't heard anyone say "tough, that's politics." I hear excuses that try to explain why this is different like "well, its different because Rs didn't have the senate, having the senate means we are doing the people's will," or "its different because it was Obama's second term."

I find both of those excuses to be just that, excuses. this whole thing mcconnell said that it was different because with obama it was a divided government, so it wasn't the will of the people is horseshit. not just on its own, but the fact that he's also saying they'd ram it through even if trump loses the election and the senate turns blue makes it absolute horseshit. and obama tried to nominate 8 months before he was done. at what point are people going to stop reaching with this lame duck shit. Fine, don't do anything between election and inauguration, but seriously, in his last YEAR as president he can't nominate? just partisan bollocks. 

The Juggler

mace1229 said:

I haven't heard anyone say "tough, that's politics." I hear excuses that try to explain why this is different like "well, its different because Rs didn't have the senate, having the senate means we are doing the people's will," or "its different because it was Obama's second term."

Those excuses are essentially "tough, that's politics."

It's called paraphrasing. It's also called hypocrisy. 

The Juggler

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ikiT said:

YO

https://instagram.com/p/CFc88RNgruw/embed/

is the house really even talking about this? i have not followed any new developments since the weekend.

yes. pelosi was asked about this fairly directly and she danced around it. she used the phrase "many arrows in our quiver". they can impeach either barr or trump again and tie that shit right up until inauguration day. 

But they won’t 

Because it won't do anything.  There is no obligation for the Senate to take up the trial in any particular timeframe.  So even if he was impeached again, the Senate could still ignore it and move to the SCOTUS issue.  Other than R's voting, there's nothing really that can be done to stop it.  

actually what I read was that impeachment takes precedence and congress is obligated to look at that first. I'll have to look for a link. 

I don't think that would be smart. I also don't think it's smart to start broadcasting that they will, indeed, pack the courts. They are slight favorites to regain the senate but if they don't after saying such things, guess who will pack the courts instead?

HughFreakingDillon

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ikiT said:

YO

https://instagram.com/p/CFc88RNgruw/embed/

is the house really even talking about this? i have not followed any new developments since the weekend.

yes. pelosi was asked about this fairly directly and she danced around it. she used the phrase "many arrows in our quiver". they can impeach either barr or trump again and tie that shit right up until inauguration day. 

But they won’t 

Because it won't do anything.  There is no obligation for the Senate to take up the trial in any particular timeframe.  So even if he was impeached again, the Senate could still ignore it and move to the SCOTUS issue.  Other than R's voting, there's nothing really that can be done to stop it.  

actually what I read was that impeachment takes precedence and congress is obligated to look at that first. I'll have to look for a link. 

I don't think that would be smart. I also don't think it's smart to start broadcasting that they will, indeed, pack the courts. They are slight favorites to regain the senate but if they don't after saying such things, guess who will pack the courts instead?

I don't think "they" are saying such things. there is much conjecture out there and in the press, but I haven't seen anyone in power specifically say anything to that end. hence pelosi's "dancing". 

The Juggler

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ikiT said:

YO

https://instagram.com/p/CFc88RNgruw/embed/

is the house really even talking about this? i have not followed any new developments since the weekend.

yes. pelosi was asked about this fairly directly and she danced around it. she used the phrase "many arrows in our quiver". they can impeach either barr or trump again and tie that shit right up until inauguration day. 

But they won’t 

Because it won't do anything.  There is no obligation for the Senate to take up the trial in any particular timeframe.  So even if he was impeached again, the Senate could still ignore it and move to the SCOTUS issue.  Other than R's voting, there's nothing really that can be done to stop it.  

actually what I read was that impeachment takes precedence and congress is obligated to look at that first. I'll have to look for a link. 

I don't think that would be smart. I also don't think it's smart to start broadcasting that they will, indeed, pack the courts. They are slight favorites to regain the senate but if they don't after saying such things, guess who will pack the courts instead?

I don't think "they" are saying such things. there is much conjecture out there and in the press, but I haven't seen anyone in power specifically say anything to that end. hence pelosi's "dancing". 

I know they're not. Not yet at least. Everyone knows it's what they want though. Hope they're smart about it.

mrussel1

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ikiT said:

YO

https://instagram.com/p/CFc88RNgruw/embed/

is the house really even talking about this? i have not followed any new developments since the weekend.

yes. pelosi was asked about this fairly directly and she danced around it. she used the phrase "many arrows in our quiver". they can impeach either barr or trump again and tie that shit right up until inauguration day. 

But they won’t 

Because it won't do anything.  There is no obligation for the Senate to take up the trial in any particular timeframe.  So even if he was impeached again, the Senate could still ignore it and move to the SCOTUS issue.  Other than R's voting, there's nothing really that can be done to stop it.  

actually what I read was that impeachment takes precedence and congress is obligated to look at that first. I'll have to look for a link. 

Historically and morally, but not Constitutionally.  

mace1229

The Juggler said:

mace1229 said:

I haven't heard anyone say "tough, that's politics." I hear excuses that try to explain why this is different like "well, its different because Rs didn't have the senate, having the senate means we are doing the people's will," or "its different because it was Obama's second term."

Those excuses are essentially "tough, that's politics."

It's called paraphrasing. It's also called hypocrisy. 

I understand paraphrasing, and I already said its hypocritical. But I don't see "tough that's politics" as paraphrasing what I said. One is basically admitting its wrong and saying too bad just deal with it, the other is trying to justify it by making up reasons why this is in fact not like 2016 and a completely different scenario than back then. 2 different reasons. 

The Juggler

mace1229 said:

The Juggler said:

mace1229 said:

I haven't heard anyone say "tough, that's politics." I hear excuses that try to explain why this is different like "well, its different because Rs didn't have the senate, having the senate means we are doing the people's will," or "its different because it was Obama's second term."

Those excuses are essentially "tough, that's politics."

It's called paraphrasing. It's also called hypocrisy. 

I understand paraphrasing, and I already said its hypocritical. But I don't see "tough that's politics" as paraphrasing what I said. One is basically admitting it wrong and saying too bad, the other is trying to justify it by making up reasons why this is in fact not like 2016. 2 different reasons. 

It's "tough, that's politics" anyway you slice it. Republicans are better at it because they are ruthless. 

Lerxst1992

Zod said:

bootleg said:

I think the concept of splitting California is because the Senate will continue to skew towards a minority of the population.  California has like 40 mil people and gets 2 senators.  North and South Dakota have about 1.5 million people combined and they get 4 senators.  Add in Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, WV, Oklahoma, Utah, Idaho, and your at about half the population of California.  That’s 18 senators to California’s 2 yet representing only half the amount of people.  Hence why things that a majority of people want can never get done because there is unequal representation in govt.

That's one view on it, but you have to look at the legislative branch as a whole.     When they were creating the United States, there was very much concern the small states would run all over the small ones.   Thus they created two legislative chambers.  The House is elected based on population of the state, and the Senate evens the playing field by putting all states on equal footing.  Laws need to pass through both chambers and reflect both population and geography.

As a Canadian, our government overly focuses on the needs of Ontario and Quebec.   Our two most populous provinces.    What I wouldn't given to have our Senate do something like that, so that it's a bit more of a level playing field.   Because of the timezones most people make jokes by the time our votes start getting counted, because they won't count for anything :(

Its important to remember when the constitution was written, there was no Attorney General and no Dept of Justice. Over the course of many years,  the executive branch decided it could give itself these powers despite not part of the original framework. The executive has added many powers since the constitution was written. 

Now add in that the minority of people (small states) gets more voting power per person in the two elective bodies that have all of the final say of justice and the courts. 

The one elected body that somewhat follows the majority gets zero say in justice . Further, the bigger blue states would have zero say on gerrymandering.  They will be able to completely legislate the democrats out of existence and a 6-3 court ready to rubber stamp.

gimmesometruth27

face it. we're fucked.

there is nothing that can be done. the stupidest man to ever hold the office gets 3 fucking justices. a man that did not win the popular vote, backed by a party that did not win the popular vote, gets to seat 3 justices for probably at least 30 years each. fuck this bullshit.

brianlux

gimmesometruth27 said:

face it. we're fucked.

there is nothing that can be done. the stupidest man to ever hold the office gets 3 fucking justices. a man that did not win the popular vote, backed by a party that did not win the popular vote, gets to seat 3 justices for probably at least 30 years each. fuck this bullshit.

Gimme, do you see anyway the Dems can block Trump from selecting a Justice?  Is there anyway to avoid being so royally fucked for so long?

Like many of us, I'm having a real hard time dealing with this possibility.  It just seems so fucking lame that this country got to this point.  Is there no hope?  Are we really such a fucked up nation that we can't find some way to level out the bullshit? 

I know I'm guilty of making these issues too personal and anyone could rightfully tell me to "get over" myself, but I know I'm not alone in saying I feel hopeless, that I'm tied up in knots, that it's all just to goddamn real to make sense. 

static111

brianlux said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

face it. we're fucked.

there is nothing that can be done. the stupidest man to ever hold the office gets 3 fucking justices. a man that did not win the popular vote, backed by a party that did not win the popular vote, gets to seat 3 justices for probably at least 30 years each. fuck this bullshit.

Gimme, do you see anyway the Dems can block Trump from selecting a Justice?  Is there anyway to avoid being so royally fucked for so long?

Like many of us, I'm having a real hard time dealing with this possibility.  It just seems so fucking lame that this country got to this point.  Is there no hope?  Are we really such a fucked up nation that we can't find some way to level out the bullshit? 

I know I'm guilty of making these issues too personal and anyone could rightfully tell me to "get over" myself, but I know I'm not alone in saying I feel hopeless, that I'm tied up in knots, that it's all just to goddamn real to make sense. 

Like @mrussel1 said, McConnell will just push it through and flout norms just because they aren’t in the constitution explicitly.  The only hope is a Biden victory and retaking the senate and expanding the court, something that the past 20 years of politics tells me that the Dems don’t actually have the backbone to do.

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

face it. we're fucked.

there is nothing that can be done. the stupidest man to ever hold the office gets 3 fucking justices. a man that did not win the popular vote, backed by a party that did not win the popular vote, gets to seat 3 justices for probably at least 30 years each. fuck this bullshit.

Gimme, do you see anyway the Dems can block Trump from selecting a Justice?  Is there anyway to avoid being so royally fucked for so long?

Like many of us, I'm having a real hard time dealing with this possibility.  It just seems so fucking lame that this country got to this point.  Is there no hope?  Are we really such a fucked up nation that we can't find some way to level out the bullshit? 

I know I'm guilty of making these issues too personal and anyone could rightfully tell me to "get over" myself, but I know I'm not alone in saying I feel hopeless, that I'm tied up in knots, that it's all just to goddamn real to make sense. 

honestly, brian, if it's causing you this much distress, something you can't control except your own vote, then just tune it out. turn off the news and stay away from AMT for a while. focus on what you can control; your own life. this is the only place I go to now; i quit twitter and facebook and it's done a world of good. 

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

face it. we're fucked.

there is nothing that can be done. the stupidest man to ever hold the office gets 3 fucking justices. a man that did not win the popular vote, backed by a party that did not win the popular vote, gets to seat 3 justices for probably at least 30 years each. fuck this bullshit.

Gimme, do you see anyway the Dems can block Trump from selecting a Justice?  Is there anyway to avoid being so royally fucked for so long?

Like many of us, I'm having a real hard time dealing with this possibility.  It just seems so fucking lame that this country got to this point.  Is there no hope?  Are we really such a fucked up nation that we can't find some way to level out the bullshit? 

I know I'm guilty of making these issues too personal and anyone could rightfully tell me to "get over" myself, but I know I'm not alone in saying I feel hopeless, that I'm tied up in knots, that it's all just to goddamn real to make sense. 

honestly, brian, if it's causing you this much distress, something you can't control except your own vote, then just tune it out. turn off the news and stay away from AMT for a while. focus on what you can control; your own life. this is the only place I go to now; i quit twitter and facebook and it's done a world of good. 

Haha!  I am laughing at myself!  I can't tell you have many times I have said, "Ah, fuck this shit!  I'm not doing it any more," and then before I know it, I go back and see what's going on.  I don't know- maybe it's a character flaw, a news/internet addiction kind of thing. 

The thing is, I've been tuned into current events related to environment, politics, and justice for so long it seems almost impossible to not give a shit.  But it really is starting to feel unhealthy.

IN any case, I like your advice a lot and greatly appreciate it.  I will try to do better that way, thank you!

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

face it. we're fucked.

there is nothing that can be done. the stupidest man to ever hold the office gets 3 fucking justices. a man that did not win the popular vote, backed by a party that did not win the popular vote, gets to seat 3 justices for probably at least 30 years each. fuck this bullshit.

Gimme, do you see anyway the Dems can block Trump from selecting a Justice?  Is there anyway to avoid being so royally fucked for so long?

Like many of us, I'm having a real hard time dealing with this possibility.  It just seems so fucking lame that this country got to this point.  Is there no hope?  Are we really such a fucked up nation that we can't find some way to level out the bullshit? 

I know I'm guilty of making these issues too personal and anyone could rightfully tell me to "get over" myself, but I know I'm not alone in saying I feel hopeless, that I'm tied up in knots, that it's all just to goddamn real to make sense. 

honestly, brian, if it's causing you this much distress, something you can't control except your own vote, then just tune it out. turn off the news and stay away from AMT for a while. focus on what you can control; your own life. this is the only place I go to now; i quit twitter and facebook and it's done a world of good. 

Haha!  I am laughing at myself!  I can't tell you have many times I have said, "Ah, fuck this shit!  I'm not doing it any more," and then before I know it, I go back and see what's going on.  I don't know- maybe it's a character flaw, a news/internet addiction kind of thing. 

The thing is, I've been tuned into current events related to environment, politics, and justice for so long it seems almost impossible to not give a shit.  But it really is starting to feel unhealthy.

IN any case, I like your advice a lot and greatly appreciate it.  I will try to do better that way, thank you!

they've made it addicting for a reason, as you know, the news is big business.  it's so difficult to turn it off and tune it out, i know. but we all try the best we can. 

what dreams

I just can't take it any more. I just can't. It's one blow after another with this fuck head president and it just gets worse and worse. What does rock bottom look like? Nov 3? 

HughFreakingDillon

what dreams said:

I just can't take it any more. I just can't. It's one blow after another with this fuck head president and it just gets worse and worse. What does rock bottom look like? Nov 3? 

no, rock bottom will be sometime in december after he's lost and he's still frothing at the mouth yelling at anyone who will listen how it was rigged and that biden should be in prison and his minions roam the streets looking for democrats. 

static111

HughFreakingDillon said:

what dreams said:

I just can't take it any more. I just can't. It's one blow after another with this fuck head president and it just gets worse and worse. What does rock bottom look like? Nov 3? 

no, rock bottom will be sometime in december after he's lost and he's still frothing at the mouth yelling at anyone who will listen how it was rigged and that biden should be in prison and his minions roam the streets looking for democrats. 

And his packed court overturns the election and hands him another term.

HughFreakingDillon

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what dreams said:

I just can't take it any more. I just can't. It's one blow after another with this fuck head president and it just gets worse and worse. What does rock bottom look like? Nov 3? 

no, rock bottom will be sometime in december after he's lost and he's still frothing at the mouth yelling at anyone who will listen how it was rigged and that biden should be in prison and his minions roam the streets looking for democrats. 

And his packed court overturns the election and hands him another term.

i know we've been saying this phrase for years now, but I don't see that happening. i mean, i know what happened in 2000, but i can't imagine even kavanaugh will vote for that if there's zero evidence of voter fraud and it's undeniable. 

static111

HughFreakingDillon said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what dreams said:

I just can't take it any more. I just can't. It's one blow after another with this fuck head president and it just gets worse and worse. What does rock bottom look like? Nov 3? 

no, rock bottom will be sometime in december after he's lost and he's still frothing at the mouth yelling at anyone who will listen how it was rigged and that biden should be in prison and his minions roam the streets looking for democrats. 

And his packed court overturns the election and hands him another term.

i know we've been saying this phrase for years now, but I don't see that happening. i mean, i know what happened in 2000, but i can't imagine even kavanaugh will vote for that if there's zero evidence of voter fraud and it's undeniable. 

Just like we all believed there were resistance republicans.  They are showing their true colors and the Supreme Court soon will as well.  And they will say as they are grabbing the power that it is the other side that is in it for the power