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I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Yes, I was also a little confused.mrussel1 said:
Ok. Confused on relevance. POSness isn't new information, but all good.dignin said:
OP mentioned that at the top.mrussel1 said:
This is about Gorsuch..three years ago.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option0 -
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bushtbergs said:
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.Gern Blansten said:
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bushtbergs said:
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.cincybearcat said:
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.Gern Blansten said:
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bushtbergs said:
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20 -
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.Gern Blansten said:
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.cincybearcat said:
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.Gern Blansten said:
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bushtbergs said:
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.0 -
Gern Blansten said:
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.cincybearcat said:
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.Gern Blansten said:
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bushtbergs said:
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Is the system fucked up or just abused to death?
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
The latter in my opinion. I see the genius in the balance of the system. But it's out of equilibrium.brianlux said:Gern Blansten said:
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.cincybearcat said:
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.Gern Blansten said:
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bushtbergs said:
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Is the system fucked up or just abused to death?0 -
I just feel extremely disenfranchised, and I am sure much of the country feels the same way.Gern Blansten said:
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.cincybearcat said:
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.Gern Blansten said:
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bushtbergs said:
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
>50% of the country voted for Hillary and generally leans democrat... or "left" as we know it. The numbers get even greater for other progressive ideals such as healthcare, legalization of marijuana, higher minimum wage, affordable higher education, etc... Many of these things would be even more popular if they werent incorrectly labeled as "socialism" (where 'socialism' is re-branded as actual communism).
But the electoral college skews the votes to rural areas of the country. Seemingly the most powerful institution in this country, the Senate, gives way too much power to small states (in terms of population). As a result, now they have packed all the Federal courts and well on their way to pack the Supreme Court. They are trying to wipe Democrats, and anything other than Donald Trump off the map (who represent a majority of the country).
Now if my 'side' wins, I still recognize there are roughly 45% of the country who feels a certain way, they have representation at the table, and compromises need to be made. We need to stop this 100% one way or 100% the other way that started with Newt Gingrich and has been perfected under McConnell.
I also think there needs to be some modernization updates put into our constitution and processes. just shooting from the hip, I like the idea of ranked voting, changing or abolishing the electoral college, some sort of term on the supreme court (and probably change how they get nominated and confirmed), term limits on congress, IMMENSE campaign reform, etc...Post edited by MayDay10 on0 -
mrussel1 said:
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.Gern Blansten said:
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.cincybearcat said:
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.Gern Blansten said:
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bushtbergs said:
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.They were. And if we'd had pure majority rule, slavery would have ended much later, integration may have occurred later, etc.It's crazy, though, what it's turned into. It looks like we're now entering a tyranny of the minority.
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mrussel1 said:
The latter in my opinion. I see the genius in the balance of the system. But it's out of equilibrium.brianlux said:Gern Blansten said:
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.cincybearcat said:
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.Gern Blansten said:
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bushtbergs said:
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Is the system fucked up or just abused to death?
Agreed!
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
the founders did not account for the tyranny of the minority. how can a party that has lost popular votes in the last several elections and only holds the white house and the senate continually screw over the majority who voted against them?mrussel1 said:
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.Gern Blansten said:
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.cincybearcat said:
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.Gern Blansten said:
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bushtbergs said:
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Exactly right. It is time to address the tyranny of the minority. The founders fucked that one up. They weren't infallible, after all, and naturally couldn't see every consequence of their framework.gimmesometruth27 said:
the founders did not account for the tyranny of the minority. how can a party that has lost popular votes in the last several elections and only holds the white house and the senate continually screw over the majority who voted against them?mrussel1 said:
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.Gern Blansten said:
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.cincybearcat said:
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.Gern Blansten said:
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bushtbergs said:
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
jeffbr said:
Exactly right. It is time to address the tyranny of the minority. The founders fucked that one up. They weren't infallible, after all, and naturally couldn't see every consequence of their framework.gimmesometruth27 said:
the founders did not account for the tyranny of the minority. how can a party that has lost popular votes in the last several elections and only holds the white house and the senate continually screw over the majority who voted against them?mrussel1 said:
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.Gern Blansten said:
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.cincybearcat said:
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.Gern Blansten said:
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bushtbergs said:
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Time to clean up those mistakes. And hopefully do do with vigor, strength, and commitment.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Easy to say, yet I haven't heard any great ideas that don't have effects that can be s bad or worse than today. At least none that have a chance to actually happen under this Constitution.brianlux said:jeffbr said:
Exactly right. It is time to address the tyranny of the minority. The founders fucked that one up. They weren't infallible, after all, and naturally couldn't see every consequence of their framework.gimmesometruth27 said:
the founders did not account for the tyranny of the minority. how can a party that has lost popular votes in the last several elections and only holds the white house and the senate continually screw over the majority who voted against them?mrussel1 said:
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.Gern Blansten said:
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.cincybearcat said:
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.Gern Blansten said:
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bushtbergs said:
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Time to clean up those mistakes. And hopefully do do with vigor, strength, and commitment.0 -
mrussel1 said:
Easy to say, yet I haven't heard any great ideas that don't have effects that can be s bad or worse than today. At least none that have a chance to actually happen under this Constitution.brianlux said:jeffbr said:
Exactly right. It is time to address the tyranny of the minority. The founders fucked that one up. They weren't infallible, after all, and naturally couldn't see every consequence of their framework.gimmesometruth27 said:
the founders did not account for the tyranny of the minority. how can a party that has lost popular votes in the last several elections and only holds the white house and the senate continually screw over the majority who voted against them?mrussel1 said:
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.Gern Blansten said:
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.cincybearcat said:
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.Gern Blansten said:
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bushtbergs said:
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Time to clean up those mistakes. And hopefully do do with vigor, strength, and commitment.That's why I'm a bookseller and not a politician.
Seriously though, I've heard a number of people here (and elsewhere) talk about how the Republicans play tough and the Democrats are too soft or even cave in. Seems to me the Democratic party playing more hardball might be a good idea.But what do I, an old and lowly bookseller know? I just wish the left would stand up strong to the right and stop getting so run down. It's depressing as hell to watch them keep winning. (Like really fucking depressing!)"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
the nuclear option has been used on both of Pito's picks.
I think this forcing this pick dooms Trump and the complicit R senate. Fuckers.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180 -
The system was initially setup so that wealthy male property owners had more representation. I’m not positive that the founders wouldn’t like a bunch of rich republicans running the show.jeffbr said:
Exactly right. It is time to address the tyranny of the minority. The founders fucked that one up. They weren't infallible, after all, and naturally couldn't see every consequence of their framework.gimmesometruth27 said:
the founders did not account for the tyranny of the minority. how can a party that has lost popular votes in the last several elections and only holds the white house and the senate continually screw over the majority who voted against them?mrussel1 said:
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.Gern Blansten said:
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.cincybearcat said:
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.Gern Blansten said:
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bushtbergs said:
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.Scio me nihil scire
There are no kings inside the gates of eden0 -
Yeah, sure, the founders would want a bunch of rich republicans who look the other way when the president acts more like a king than a president to be running the show. Suuuuuuuure they would.static111 said:
The system was initially setup so that wealthy male property owners had more representation. I’m not positive that the founders wouldn’t like a bunch of rich republicans running the show.jeffbr said:
Exactly right. It is time to address the tyranny of the minority. The founders fucked that one up. They weren't infallible, after all, and naturally couldn't see every consequence of their framework.gimmesometruth27 said:
the founders did not account for the tyranny of the minority. how can a party that has lost popular votes in the last several elections and only holds the white house and the senate continually screw over the majority who voted against them?mrussel1 said:
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.Gern Blansten said:
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.cincybearcat said:
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.Gern Blansten said:
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bushtbergs said:
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.www.myspace.com0 -
mrussel1 said:
Easy to say, yet I haven't heard any great ideas that don't have effects that can be s bad or worse than today. At least none that have a chance to actually happen under this Constitution.brianlux said:jeffbr said:
Exactly right. It is time to address the tyranny of the minority. The founders fucked that one up. They weren't infallible, after all, and naturally couldn't see every consequence of their framework.gimmesometruth27 said:
the founders did not account for the tyranny of the minority. how can a party that has lost popular votes in the last several elections and only holds the white house and the senate continually screw over the majority who voted against them?mrussel1 said:
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.Gern Blansten said:
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.cincybearcat said:
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.Gern Blansten said:
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bushtbergs said:
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.ikiT said:Discussing Gorsuch...Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
POS
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/neil-gorsuch-donald-trump-congress-nuclear-option
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Time to clean up those mistakes. And hopefully do do with vigor, strength, and commitment.
If Biden wins and dems take the 4 R seats they are leading in the polls there are many things that can be done to get better odds in the senate and Judiciary.
End the filibuster for all judiciary matters. Start adding SCJs. There is no constitutional provision prohibiting it. 9 Justices is from law and laws are passed all the time.
End the filibuster for statehood. Immediately admit PR and DC. Create North and South California. This will add 6 likely democratic senators and give democrats a better long term chance at holding the senate. This could eventually swing the senate and statehood enough to think about amending the constitution.
All of the above is perfectly constitutional. But dems are too worried about "established norms " instead of doing anything possible to represent its constituents.0
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