Donald Trump

mrussel1

myoung321 said:

This is all just beyond belief... The President of the United States of America is a complete and utter lunatic.

 I only hope we can survive this assault and rape of our country..  

Meanwhile, on the Left - Pelosi's "Democrats" are doing exactly what insurance companies want by expanding COBRA... HAHAHAHA There's Leadership! No one can afford COBRA and the benefits are usually 60% of the normal insurance.. It's a JOKE!

Yeah why don't the Pelosi Democrats write and sign into law M4A? They could voted on it yesterday and it would be in place today!  Corporatists!

Halifax2TheMax

Oh the horror, having 100% of your health insurance costs paid for during a pandemic via COBRA. Perfect? Not by a long shot. Better than nothing? Yes. Better than what repubs have proposed, if anything? Absolutely.

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/14/21219461/democrats-new-plan-keep-laid-off-workers-insured

But both sides are the same.

mickeyrat

Unanimous vote from Senate Intel Committee..........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/senate-committee-unanimously-endorses-spy-agencies-finding-that-russia-interfered-in-2016-presidential-race-in-bid-to-help-trump/2020/04/21/975ca51a-83d2-11ea-ae26-989cfce1c7c7_story.html

static111

Cobra is bs unless you have deep pockets..   The fact that the only way most Americans can afford to be insured is by having employer subsidized health care is a joke.  I don’t understand why there is such a push back for m4a, or at least the option...I would much rather have some health care based on me paying taxes than paying thousands a year for very little coverage tha5 does nothing but make insurance companies money.

gimmesometruth27

myoung321 said:

This is all just beyond belief... The President of the United States of America is a complete and utter lunatic.

 I only hope we can survive this assault and rape of our country..  

Meanwhile, on the Left - Pelosi's "Democrats" are doing exactly what insurance companies want by expanding COBRA... HAHAHAHA There's Leadership! No one can afford COBRA and the benefits are usually 60% of the normal insurance.. It's a JOKE!

you know COBRA is retroactive, right? you do not need to sign up for it immediately upon losing your insurance. and if something happens to you and you have not completed the forms or paid your premium, you can do so after the fact.

i changed careers in october 2019. i had to go without insurance until 12/1. i did not sign up or pay for COBRA because i did not need it.

the sales distributor i worked for from 10/19 got terminated on 2/29, so i got hired on direct from the manufacturer. i had to again go without insurance until 4/1. it is all in the risk that you are comfortable taking.

gimmesometruth27

mickeyrat said:

Unanimous vote from Senate Intel Committee..........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/senate-committee-unanimously-endorses-spy-agencies-finding-that-russia-interfered-in-2016-presidential-race-in-bid-to-help-trump/2020/04/21/975ca51a-83d2-11ea-ae26-989cfce1c7c7_story.html

today's covid update is gonna be lit. i wonder if any questions will be about covid, or just russian interference?

Bentleyspop

static111 said:

Cobra is bs unless you have deep pockets..   The fact that the only way most Americans can afford to be insured is by having employer subsidized health care is a joke.  I don’t understand why there is such a push back for m4a, or at least the option...I would much rather have some health care based on me paying taxes than paying thousands a year for very little coverage tha5 does nothing but make insurance companies money.

Because M4A = SOCIALISM
And SOCIALISM = SOCIALISTS
And SOCIALISTS = libs
And Libs are BAD

Halifax2TheMax

COBRA in normal times may not be affordable. Those do nothing dems are proposing that COBRA cover 100% of premiums while the nation reopens. But fuck those 4 million Americans because we can’t have M4A. Sounds about right.

Kat

mickeyrat said:

Unanimous vote from Senate Intel Committee..........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/senate-committee-unanimously-endorses-spy-agencies-finding-that-russia-interfered-in-2016-presidential-race-in-bid-to-help-trump/2020/04/21/975ca51a-83d2-11ea-ae26-989cfce1c7c7_story.html

WAPO: "The report, while not unexpected, is nonetheless a milestone — the first extensive bipartisan congressional affirmation of the intelligence agencies’ conclusion, which continues to be at odds with President Trump’s oft-stated doubts about Russia’s role in the 2016 race."

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1252640757934174208

static111

Halifax2TheMax said:

COBRA in normal times may not be affordable. Those do nothing dems are proposing that COBRA cover 100% of premiums while the nation reopens. But fuck those 4 million Americans because we can’t have M4A. Sounds about right.

When you say we do you include yourself.   So how would this work anyway.  If I got laid off in March and  I couldn’t afford to keep my health care because cobra is cost prohibitive,  Is the dem plan that I can just re sign up and cobra will pay for my health care? I read the article and it doesn’t explain anything very clearly.  At any rate if you can move the numbers around to pay for cobra why not just forgo that and pledge to cover the cost of all covid care instead?

mrussel1

static111 said:

Cobra is bs unless you have deep pockets..   The fact that the only way most Americans can afford to be insured is by having employer subsidized health care is a joke.  I don’t understand why there is such a push back for m4a, or at least the option...I would much rather have some health care based on me paying taxes than paying thousands a year for very little coverage tha5 does nothing but make insurance companies money.

What democrat is against the choice?  The only ones I know of are the ones that want to force me on M4A. 

static111

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

Cobra is bs unless you have deep pockets..   The fact that the only way most Americans can afford to be insured is by having employer subsidized health care is a joke.  I don’t understand why there is such a push back for m4a, or at least the option...I would much rather have some health care based on me paying taxes than paying thousands a year for very little coverage tha5 does nothing but make insurance companies money.

What democrat is against the choice?  The only ones I know of are the ones that want to force me on M4A. 

Well it looks like only 12% based on the numbers.   It even seems that a majority of republicans would support a public option upon further reading, which begs the question, why don’t we at the very least have a public option? 

mrussel1

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

Cobra is bs unless you have deep pockets..   The fact that the only way most Americans can afford to be insured is by having employer subsidized health care is a joke.  I don’t understand why there is such a push back for m4a, or at least the option...I would much rather have some health care based on me paying taxes than paying thousands a year for very little coverage tha5 does nothing but make insurance companies money.

What democrat is against the choice?  The only ones I know of are the ones that want to force me on M4A. 

Well it looks like only 12% based on the numbers.   It even seems that a majority of republicans would support a public option upon further reading, which begs the question, why don’t we at the very least have a public option? 

Because Trump is the president and McConnell runs the Senate. 

static111

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

Cobra is bs unless you have deep pockets..   The fact that the only way most Americans can afford to be insured is by having employer subsidized health care is a joke.  I don’t understand why there is such a push back for m4a, or at least the option...I would much rather have some health care based on me paying taxes than paying thousands a year for very little coverage tha5 does nothing but make insurance companies money.

What democrat is against the choice?  The only ones I know of are the ones that want to force me on M4A. 

Well it looks like only 12% based on the numbers.   It even seems that a majority of republicans would support a public option upon further reading, which begs the question, why don’t we at the very least have a public option? 

Because Trump is the president and McConnell runs the Senate. 

Well can’t argue with that.  

mickeyrat

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

Cobra is bs unless you have deep pockets..   The fact that the only way most Americans can afford to be insured is by having employer subsidized health care is a joke.  I don’t understand why there is such a push back for m4a, or at least the option...I would much rather have some health care based on me paying taxes than paying thousands a year for very little coverage tha5 does nothing but make insurance companies money.

What democrat is against the choice?  The only ones I know of are the ones that want to force me on M4A. 

Well it looks like only 12% based on the numbers.   It even seems that a majority of republicans would support a public option upon further reading, which begs the question, why don’t we at the very least have a public option? 

Because Trump is the president and McConnell runs the Senate. 

Well can’t argue with that.  

and initially because Obama wanted it.....

Halifax2TheMax

static111 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

COBRA in normal times may not be affordable. Those do nothing dems are proposing that COBRA cover 100% of premiums while the nation reopens. But fuck those 4 million Americans because we can’t have M4A. Sounds about right.

When you say we do you include yourself.   So how would this work anyway.  If I got laid off in March and  I couldn’t afford to keep my health care because cobra is cost prohibitive,  Is the dem plan that I can just re sign up and cobra will pay for my health care? I read the article and it doesn’t explain anything very clearly.  At any rate if you can move the numbers around to pay for cobra why not just forgo that and pledge to cover the cost of all covid care instead?

To answer your bolded question, no. The model for this was the 2009 stimulus bill when 65% of the cost of employer health insurance of those unemployed was paid. Even still, it was found to be cost prohibitive, hence the 100% this time around. But yea, its a joke and both sides are the same, particularly since dems argued for this in the first pandemic stimulus bill but it didn't make it in. 

The legislation would apply to anyone who has been impacted since the coronavirus crisis began in full force at the beginning of March and would remain in effect until six months after the end of the public health emergency.

The subsidies for COBRA would be available until affected people enrolled in other health insurance, whether that is another group health plan, a plan obtained through the marketplace created through the 2010 Affordable Care Act, or Medicare.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/492734-democrats-offer-bill-to-help-unemployed-stay-on-employer-based-insurance

100% of your premiums would be paid by the government, with employers who furloughed workers and accepted the PPP continuing to pay their 1/3, until you found another source of health insurance or six months after the the end of the public health emergency.

FYI, Bolded and underlined words and phrases embedded in articles are links to additonal information. 

static111

Halifax2TheMax said:

static111 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

COBRA in normal times may not be affordable. Those do nothing dems are proposing that COBRA cover 100% of premiums while the nation reopens. But fuck those 4 million Americans because we can’t have M4A. Sounds about right.

When you say we do you include yourself.   So how would this work anyway.  If I got laid off in March and  I couldn’t afford to keep my health care because cobra is cost prohibitive,  Is the dem plan that I can just re sign up and cobra will pay for my health care? I read the article and it doesn’t explain anything very clearly.  At any rate if you can move the numbers around to pay for cobra why not just forgo that and pledge to cover the cost of all covid care instead?

To answer your bolded question, no. The model for this was the 2009 stimulus bill when 65% of the cost of employer health insurance of those unemployed was paid. Even still, it was found to be cost prohibitive, hence the 100% this time around. But yea, its a joke and both sides are the same, particularly since dems argued for this in the first pandemic stimulus bill but it didn't make it in. 

The legislation would apply to anyone who has been impacted since the coronavirus crisis began in full force at the beginning of March and would remain in effect until six months after the end of the public health emergency.

The subsidies for COBRA would be available until affected people enrolled in other health insurance, whether that is another group health plan, a plan obtained through the marketplace created through the 2010 Affordable Care Act, or Medicare.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/492734-democrats-offer-bill-to-help-unemployed-stay-on-employer-based-insurance

100% of your premiums would be paid by the government, with employers who furloughed workers and accepted the PPP continuing to pay their 1/3, until you found another source of health insurance or six months after the the end of the public health emergency.

FYI, Bolded and underlined words and phrases embedded in articles are links to additonal information. 

Ok 17million laid off. 3.5 lost their healthcare. 13.5 million are keeping their healthcare or never had any to begin with?  So if the other 13.5 million are uninsured 20% coverage is to be celebrated and we just have to say sorry to the other 13.5 million because that’s politics? Isn’t that basically saying to the 13.5 million hey just be happy we got the 3.5 million the possibility of coverage and don’t complain? But I get it questioning this makes me a Trump supporter and part of the problem. Sorry but it looks like an empty political gesture.  Hopefully after the next election democrats will control all the branches of government and be free of all their obstacles and will finally be able to fast track all of the great programs they claim the republicans have been holding them back from accomplishing.

mrussel1

There's also Medicaid and Obamacare if you don't have employer provided insurance. 

myoung321

mrussel1 said:

There's also Medicaid and Obamacare if you don't have employer provided insurance. 

Medicaid.. Depends on State - Good Luck if you live in a Red State.
Obamacare - A Joke..  Why did healthcare Insurance companies stock shares increase when it was passed? 

Maybe COBRA?  If you've never experience COBRA then prepare for sticker shock!!!!! ANOTHER laughable program. 

static111

mrussel1 said:

There's also Medicaid and Obamacare if you don't have employer provided insurance. 

Obama care is not affordable contrary to the name. I mean if it was affordable wouldn’t everyone have it? There is also a huge population that make too much to be eligible for Medicare and can’t afford insurance from the marketplace.