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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,068
    myoung321 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    There's also Medicaid and Obamacare if you don't have employer provided insurance. 
    Medicaid.. Depends on State - Good Luck if you live in a Red State.
    Obamacare - A Joke..  Why did healthcare Insurance companies stock shares increase when it was passed? 

    Maybe COBRA?  If you've never experience COBRA then prepare for sticker shock!!!!! ANOTHER laughable program. 
    Because both sides are bad.
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  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    edited April 2020
    It time for Medicare for All...  The promises given to FDR by Corporate America that they would "take care of this aspect of American life through competition" is not working. We have huge companies employing vast numbers of Americans that do not even have healthcare benefits.
      
    Corporations no longer compete against each other for workers through enhanced benefit programs. 

    Not to mention the argument of stifling creativity and invention because you lock your people into jobs based on fear of losing healthcare. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited April 2020
    myoung321 said:
    It time for Medicare for All...  The promises given to FDR by Corporate America that they would "take care of this aspect of American life through competition" is not working. We have huge companies employing vast numbers of Americans that do not even have healthcare benefits.
      
    Corporations no longer compete against each other for workers through enhanced benefit programs. 

    Not to mention the argument of stifling creativity and invention because you lock your people into jobs based on fear of losing healthcare. 
    You continue to try to take away my right to choose my insurance.  I chose my schools,  my cars,  my living condition,  my life insurance.  Yet you think you know better than me regarding what's right for my family. Im not trying to take away your options.  Im all for it.  Yet you know better than me. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    There's also Medicaid and Obamacare if you don't have employer provided insurance. 
    Obama care is not affordable contrary to the name. I mean if it was affordable wouldn’t everyone have it? There is also a huge population that make too much to be eligible for Medicare and can’t afford insurance from the marketplace.
    The Democrats have pushed to close that middle class gap and extend Medicare and rebates into the program. 
  • brianlux
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,044
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    There's also Medicaid and Obamacare if you don't have employer provided insurance. 
    Obama care is not affordable contrary to the name. I mean if it was affordable wouldn’t everyone have it? There is also a huge population that make too much to be eligible for Medicare and can’t afford insurance from the marketplace.
    No, people who have employer based healthcare and are happy with it, why should they have to go to Obamacare or M4A?

    Obamacare wasn’t intended to be the cure all, end all but rather a beginning. Something to be worked on, tweaked, improved over time. Instead it was actively opposed and purposely weakened by repubs and then totally gutted from 2916 onward via Team Trump Treason’s EOs, At it’s peak, 20 million more Americans had access to health insurance. So yea, a joke and clearly unaffordable. I’m still waiting for the repub attempt to get more Americans affordable health insurance.

    As for red states and access to Medicaid, move or stop voting for repubs. Massachusetts was the first state to require health insurance. It has one of the largest percentages of its residents covered. It didn’t bankrupt the state. It didn’t lead to businesses shutting down, leaving the state or higher unemployment. Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts with a dem legislature and a repub governor.

    Yea, COBRA, which allows you to remain on your employers healthcare at their negotiated rate. Yes, it’s still expensive and ridiculously so but the legislation just passed picks up 100% of the cost. But I guess that’s worse than nothing?

    Both sides are the same and it’s all the dems fault (only Bernie could have saved us).
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  • ikiT
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    SIX dollars and change a month (subsidized) if you're poor like I am.  There is a 4000 deduct per person per year.
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    This does not include hospital stays.  Those are $500 A DAY.
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  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,354
    brianlux said:


    Hmmm...I'm a bit old for such activities, but maybe I should take a sharpie with me to the bathroom at work...
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  • brianlux
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    brianlux said:


    Hmmm...I'm a bit old for such activities, but maybe I should take a sharpie with me to the bathroom at work...

    Go for it!  :lol:
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  • The Juggler
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    Average approval down 2% over the last two weeks. By all means, keep doing these nonsense "briefings"

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Team Trump Treason proposes that hair salons, bowling alleys and tattoo parlors could be places that give you a Covid test. The fucking guy is most definitely a very stable genius. That’s the level of response. I don’t know about you but I definitely want the guy who hands me my bowling shoes sticking a swab up my nose or down my throat. 4D chess right there, brilliant brilliance in all its brilliancy.


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  • static111
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    edited April 2020
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    There's also Medicaid and Obamacare if you don't have employer provided insurance. 
    Obama care is not affordable contrary to the name. I mean if it was affordable wouldn’t everyone have it? There is also a huge population that make too much to be eligible for Medicare and can’t afford insurance from the marketplace.
    No, people who have employer based healthcare and are happy with it, why should they have to go to Obamacare or M4A?

    Obamacare wasn’t intended to be the cure all, end all but rather a beginning. Something to be worked on, tweaked, improved over time. Instead it was actively opposed and purposely weakened by repubs and then totally gutted from 2916 onward via Team Trump Treason’s EOs, At it’s peak, 20 million more Americans had access to health insurance. So yea, a joke and clearly unaffordable. I’m still waiting for the repub attempt to get more Americans affordable health insurance.

    As for red states and access to Medicaid, move or stop voting for repubs. Massachusetts was the first state to require health insurance. It has one of the largest percentages of its residents covered. It didn’t bankrupt the state. It didn’t lead to businesses shutting down, leaving the state or higher unemployment. Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts with a dem legislature and a repub governor.

    Yea, COBRA, which allows you to remain on your employers healthcare at their negotiated rate. Yes, it’s still expensive and ridiculously so but the legislation just passed picks up 100% of the cost. But I guess that’s worse than nothing?

    Both sides are the same and it’s all the dems fault (only Bernie could have saved us).
    Only the Dems can save themselves from themselves. And I’m not referring to ACA in the quoted post.  I’m referring to health insurance in general. If it was truly affordable wouldn’t people that didn’t have employer subsidized health care but couldn’t qualify for Medicare have it? No because it isn’t affordable.
    I’m not a both sides are the same person. I’m a both sides are bad person.  Are they equally bad? Obviously not. One is much worse, but being less bad does not necessarily equal good.

    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    There's also Medicaid and Obamacare if you don't have employer provided insurance. 
    Obama care is not affordable contrary to the name. I mean if it was affordable wouldn’t everyone have it? There is also a huge population that make too much to be eligible for Medicare and can’t afford insurance from the marketplace.
    The Democrats have pushed to close that middle class gap and extend Medicare and rebates into the program. 
    Like I said in a previous post. Hopefully the Dems sweep 2020 and control all three branches.  If they actually close those gaps I will stop looking at them like the party that panders and doesn’t act.  I already vote Dem but I’m not blindly gong to say that they are always doing the best that they can. 
    Post edited by static111 on
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    There's also Medicaid and Obamacare if you don't have employer provided insurance. 
    Obama care is not affordable contrary to the name. I mean if it was affordable wouldn’t everyone have it? There is also a huge population that make too much to be eligible for Medicare and can’t afford insurance from the marketplace.
    No, people who have employer based healthcare and are happy with it, why should they have to go to Obamacare or M4A?

    Obamacare wasn’t intended to be the cure all, end all but rather a beginning. Something to be worked on, tweaked, improved over time. Instead it was actively opposed and purposely weakened by repubs and then totally gutted from 2916 onward via Team Trump Treason’s EOs, At it’s peak, 20 million more Americans had access to health insurance. So yea, a joke and clearly unaffordable. I’m still waiting for the repub attempt to get more Americans affordable health insurance.

    As for red states and access to Medicaid, move or stop voting for repubs. Massachusetts was the first state to require health insurance. It has one of the largest percentages of its residents covered. It didn’t bankrupt the state. It didn’t lead to businesses shutting down, leaving the state or higher unemployment. Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts with a dem legislature and a repub governor.

    Yea, COBRA, which allows you to remain on your employers healthcare at their negotiated rate. Yes, it’s still expensive and ridiculously so but the legislation just passed picks up 100% of the cost. But I guess that’s worse than nothing?

    Both sides are the same and it’s all the dems fault (only Bernie could have saved us).
    Only the Dems can save themselves from themselves. And I’m not referring to ACA in the quoted post.  I’m referring to health insurance in general. If it was truly affordable wouldn’t people that didn’t have employer subsidized health care but couldn’t qualify for Medicare have it? No because it isn’t affordable.
    I’m not a both sides are the same person. I’m a both sides are bad person.  Are they equally bad? Obviously not. One is much worse, but being less bad does not necessarily equal good.

    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    There's also Medicaid and Obamacare if you don't have employer provided insurance. 
    Obama care is not affordable contrary to the name. I mean if it was affordable wouldn’t everyone have it? There is also a huge population that make too much to be eligible for Medicare and can’t afford insurance from the marketplace.
    The Democrats have pushed to close that middle class gap and extend Medicare and rebates into the program. 
    Like I said in a previous post. Hopefully the Dems sweep 2020 and control all three branches.  If they actually close those gaps I will stop looking at them like the party that panders and doesn’t act.  I already vote Dem but I’m not blindly gong to say that they are always doing the best that they can. 
    You sound like a zero summer. Zero sum is worse. You also don’t seem to recognize the repub role in all of this. Dems dont legislate in a vacuum. Even if Dems take control of all three branches, you won’t see immediate M4A. It’s too radical of a change. Be ready for the disappointment.
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  • mrussel1
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    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    There's also Medicaid and Obamacare if you don't have employer provided insurance. 
    Obama care is not affordable contrary to the name. I mean if it was affordable wouldn’t everyone have it? There is also a huge population that make too much to be eligible for Medicare and can’t afford insurance from the marketplace.
    No, people who have employer based healthcare and are happy with it, why should they have to go to Obamacare or M4A?

    Obamacare wasn’t intended to be the cure all, end all but rather a beginning. Something to be worked on, tweaked, improved over time. Instead it was actively opposed and purposely weakened by repubs and then totally gutted from 2916 onward via Team Trump Treason’s EOs, At it’s peak, 20 million more Americans had access to health insurance. So yea, a joke and clearly unaffordable. I’m still waiting for the repub attempt to get more Americans affordable health insurance.

    As for red states and access to Medicaid, move or stop voting for repubs. Massachusetts was the first state to require health insurance. It has one of the largest percentages of its residents covered. It didn’t bankrupt the state. It didn’t lead to businesses shutting down, leaving the state or higher unemployment. Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts with a dem legislature and a repub governor.

    Yea, COBRA, which allows you to remain on your employers healthcare at their negotiated rate. Yes, it’s still expensive and ridiculously so but the legislation just passed picks up 100% of the cost. But I guess that’s worse than nothing?

    Both sides are the same and it’s all the dems fault (only Bernie could have saved us).
    Only the Dems can save themselves from themselves. And I’m not referring to ACA in the quoted post.  I’m referring to health insurance in general. If it was truly affordable wouldn’t people that didn’t have employer subsidized health care but couldn’t qualify for Medicare have it? No because it isn’t affordable.
    I’m not a both sides are the same person. I’m a both sides are bad person.  Are they equally bad? Obviously not. One is much worse, but being less bad does not necessarily equal good.

    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    There's also Medicaid and Obamacare if you don't have employer provided insurance. 
    Obama care is not affordable contrary to the name. I mean if it was affordable wouldn’t everyone have it? There is also a huge population that make too much to be eligible for Medicare and can’t afford insurance from the marketplace.
    The Democrats have pushed to close that middle class gap and extend Medicare and rebates into the program. 
    Like I said in a previous post. Hopefully the Dems sweep 2020 and control all three branches.  If they actually close those gaps I will stop looking at them like the party that panders and doesn’t act.  I already vote Dem but I’m not blindly gong to say that they are always doing the best that they can. 
    You sound like a zero summer. Zero sum is worse. You also don’t seem to recognize the repub role in all of this. Dems dont legislate in a vacuum. Even if Dems take control of all three branches, you won’t see immediate M4A. It’s too radical of a change. Be ready for the disappointment.
    And even Democrats won't be united.  In a big tent party,  there needs to be compromises. 
  • ikiT
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    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    There's also Medicaid and Obamacare if you don't have employer provided insurance. 
    Obama care is not affordable contrary to the name. I mean if it was affordable wouldn’t everyone have it? There is also a huge population that make too much to be eligible for Medicare and can’t afford insurance from the marketplace.
    No, people who have employer based healthcare and are happy with it, why should they have to go to Obamacare or M4A?

    Obamacare wasn’t intended to be the cure all, end all but rather a beginning. Something to be worked on, tweaked, improved over time. Instead it was actively opposed and purposely weakened by repubs and then totally gutted from 2916 onward via Team Trump Treason’s EOs, At it’s peak, 20 million more Americans had access to health insurance. So yea, a joke and clearly unaffordable. I’m still waiting for the repub attempt to get more Americans affordable health insurance.

    As for red states and access to Medicaid, move or stop voting for repubs. Massachusetts was the first state to require health insurance. It has one of the largest percentages of its residents covered. It didn’t bankrupt the state. It didn’t lead to businesses shutting down, leaving the state or higher unemployment. Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts with a dem legislature and a repub governor.

    Yea, COBRA, which allows you to remain on your employers healthcare at their negotiated rate. Yes, it’s still expensive and ridiculously so but the legislation just passed picks up 100% of the cost. But I guess that’s worse than nothing?

    Both sides are the same and it’s all the dems fault (only Bernie could have saved us).
    Only the Dems can save themselves from themselves. And I’m not referring to ACA in the quoted post.  I’m referring to health insurance in general. If it was truly affordable wouldn’t people that didn’t have employer subsidized health care but couldn’t qualify for Medicare have it? No because it isn’t affordable.
    I’m not a both sides are the same person. I’m a both sides are bad person.  Are they equally bad? Obviously not. One is much worse, but being less bad does not necessarily equal good.

    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    There's also Medicaid and Obamacare if you don't have employer provided insurance. 
    Obama care is not affordable contrary to the name. I mean if it was affordable wouldn’t everyone have it? There is also a huge population that make too much to be eligible for Medicare and can’t afford insurance from the marketplace.
    The Democrats have pushed to close that middle class gap and extend Medicare and rebates into the program. 
    Like I said in a previous post. Hopefully the Dems sweep 2020 and control all three branches.  If they actually close those gaps I will stop looking at them like the party that panders and doesn’t act.  I already vote Dem but I’m not blindly gong to say that they are always doing the best that they can. 
    You sound like a zero summer. Zero sum is worse. You also don’t seem to recognize the repub role in all of this. Dems dont legislate in a vacuum. Even if Dems take control of all three branches, you won’t see immediate M4A. It’s too radical of a change. Be ready for the disappointment.
    And even Democrats won't be united.  In a big tent party,  there needs to be compromises. 
    There needs to be COMMUNICATION and FOCUS.  
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  • nicknyr15
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    ikiT said:
    Yea. People dying is funny.
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  • static111
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    nicknyr15 said:
    ikiT said:
    Yea. People dying is funny.
    You don’t see the crushing irony there?
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