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12 pages of the Beebs?oftenreading said:
I will try to find it and report back later. It won't be Kardashians.HesCalledDyer said:
Hopefully they didn't just replace everything with a bunch of Kardashian articles.oftenreading said:I was readings online last night and one of the news sites, I can't remember which, said they were declaring today Trump-Free Tuesday because they were sick of every article being about or at least having some connection to Trump and his ever-evolving chaotic mass of idiocy.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Jason Chaffetz (the guy that is resigning his seat) came out today and said that all Congressmen should be a housing allowance of $2,500/month in addition to their $ 174K/year salary.Halifax2TheMax said:
They never had any intention to fix it or do anything that even remotely smelled like socialism. Someone should introduce a bill to cancel congress' health insurance or make any measures that become law, apply to them as well.Gern Blansten said:Here we are again....the GOP can't pass a bill to save their lives. Fucking idiots.
They are so obsessed with trashing the ACA/Obamacare that they can't do the right thing and just fix it.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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These were the tweets from President Trump leading up to the white house tweet posted above.
H2M your favourite news source is getting hammered today.
Wow, CNN had to retract big story on "Russia," with 3 employees forced to resign. What about all the other phony stories they do? FAKE NEWS! Fake News CNN is looking at big management changes now that they got caught falsely pushing their phony Russian stories. Ratings way down!
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I just don't think that the decisions you're talking about are as conscious or deliberate as that. Eroding the public trust in the news media is not really about his base or even gaining actual support. Anyway, the tactic is working like a hot damn. It is already clear that he has managed to erode public trust in the news media, and not just among his supporters. It is working on those who don't support him too, just not in such a direct way. Again, it's a psychological game. People being stupid or indifferent really isn't all that necessary for it to work. Most Germans in the 1930s weren't stupid or indifferent either, and yet..............HughFreakingDillon said:
I suppose, I just think it's less likely to work if you are trying to convince people to only believe the good things. many people are that stupid (or just indifferent), but I have faith that most aren't.PJ_Soul said:
I actually consider your example one of consistency. He is warming people up to just believe the good coverage and not believe the bad coverage. I also think that MANY of his supporters believe the fake news thing at face value. But those who don't are still being brainwashed by it on some level. It's a psychological tactic that I think is very obviously being utilized and is working already in some ways. And I don't think whether or not they ever consumed this news is relevant, and the intention really isn't flipping people either. What I'm saying is that they are employing Orwellian tactics, which isn't about flipping people in the way you mean. What they are doing is much less "surface" than that, and much more sinister. Logically convincing moderates or opponents is the LAST thing on their minds.HughFreakingDillon said:
problem is, he's not consistent. if any news agency reports anything positive about him or his government or his family, all of a sudden they are no longer fake news. I don't really believe many of supporters believe any of this fake news BS. Some of them do, for sure, but they probably already didn't watch any of the networks that he calls that. They were all Fox Newsers already. So he's preaching to the choir. I don't think he's effectively flipping anyone.PJ_Soul said:
Once the populace doesn't trust the news media at all, the constitution will become MUCH more flexible. That's the idea. I think Trump, under advisement, knows exactly what he's doing. That is why he is basically hammering everyone over the head with the CONSTANT #fakenews thing, day in and day out. If he weren't so unbelievably persistent and consistent with that particular message, and if Steve Bannon wasn't around, I'd probably agree with you. But given how deliberately consistent he is with that message in particular, and the way he uses the term and works it in no matter the situation suggests that it is part of an intentional long-term plan. I think dismissing it as something else is dangerous in and of itself. I know it's fucking hard to believe, because it's just so fucking nuts in this day and age, and we would all like to think that people know better. But all signs tell us that it's true anyway. And the message is quickly becoming ubiquitous, which means that soon enough the message will sink into the American subconscious. I think that is the plan. They've already managed to very effectively redefine the term "fake news" in the public consciousness, so their plans is already working. But FWIW, I don't think they intend a takeover of the current news media. They intend to make them ineffective, while making fake news more effective. Also, Trump needn't make a state-run media outlet official and have any pesky constitutional laws get in the way. All he needs to do is have it in his back pocket, like he already has with Breitbart and some other fringe outlets.HughFreakingDillon said:
I go back and forth on this. I don't know if he 100% gets it. I think it's possible he sees it as his only line of defence against the truth; trash the press. I don't think it's some mass conspiracy to control the media. the constitution simply won't allow that to happen.PJ_Soul said:
He 100% gets it. That is why he's doing it.Bentleyspop said:
He doesn't stop and won't stop because everyone around him are coddled and enablers.Tiki said:
Plus, as I have said previously, he is a spoiled, immature, and narcissistic child who just doesn't get it.
Which says even more about his supporters.
I don't think Trump is honestly a dummy, but I don't think he's presidential caliber intelligent either. I think he's so focused on his own image, that he can't help himself but shout from the rooftops about anyone that people perceive to be better than him, or someone who has wronged him in some way. He knows America, by and large, misses Obama, that's why he's going after him and his reputation. And it will work with his base, but I don't think it will work with his detractors or the moderates.
And BTW, I think Trump is fucking idiot and not intelligent at all. There is no way he'd figure this out for himself. He's got the exact kind of help he needs here. I actually can hardly believe he managed to gather up the crazy little gang that he did.
you have to remember that sure, many of his supporters will believe this BS, but the total of his base is, what, 17% of the voting public? that ain't much.
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"working like a hot damn". how are you measuring this erosion of public trust in the media?PJ_Soul said:
I just don't think that the decisions you're talking about are as conscious or deliberate as that. Eroding the public trust in the news media is not really about his base or even gaining actual support. Anyway, the tactic is working like a hot damn. It is already clear that he has managed to erode public trust in the news media, and not just among his supporters. It is working on those who don't support him too, just not in such a direct way. Again, it's a psychological game. People being stupid or indifferent really isn't all that necessary for it to work. Most Germans in the 1930s weren't stupid or indifferent either, and yet..............HughFreakingDillon said:
I suppose, I just think it's less likely to work if you are trying to convince people to only believe the good things. many people are that stupid (or just indifferent), but I have faith that most aren't.PJ_Soul said:
I actually consider your example one of consistency. He is warming people up to just believe the good coverage and not believe the bad coverage. I also think that MANY of his supporters believe the fake news thing at face value. But those who don't are still being brainwashed by it on some level. It's a psychological tactic that I think is very obviously being utilized and is working already in some ways. And I don't think whether or not they ever consumed this news is relevant, and the intention really isn't flipping people either. What I'm saying is that they are employing Orwellian tactics, which isn't about flipping people in the way you mean. What they are doing is much less "surface" than that, and much more sinister. Logically convincing moderates or opponents is the LAST thing on their minds.HughFreakingDillon said:
problem is, he's not consistent. if any news agency reports anything positive about him or his government or his family, all of a sudden they are no longer fake news. I don't really believe many of supporters believe any of this fake news BS. Some of them do, for sure, but they probably already didn't watch any of the networks that he calls that. They were all Fox Newsers already. So he's preaching to the choir. I don't think he's effectively flipping anyone.PJ_Soul said:
Once the populace doesn't trust the news media at all, the constitution will become MUCH more flexible. That's the idea. I think Trump, under advisement, knows exactly what he's doing. That is why he is basically hammering everyone over the head with the CONSTANT #fakenews thing, day in and day out. If he weren't so unbelievably persistent and consistent with that particular message, and if Steve Bannon wasn't around, I'd probably agree with you. But given how deliberately consistent he is with that message in particular, and the way he uses the term and works it in no matter the situation suggests that it is part of an intentional long-term plan. I think dismissing it as something else is dangerous in and of itself. I know it's fucking hard to believe, because it's just so fucking nuts in this day and age, and we would all like to think that people know better. But all signs tell us that it's true anyway. And the message is quickly becoming ubiquitous, which means that soon enough the message will sink into the American subconscious. I think that is the plan. They've already managed to very effectively redefine the term "fake news" in the public consciousness, so their plans is already working. But FWIW, I don't think they intend a takeover of the current news media. They intend to make them ineffective, while making fake news more effective. Also, Trump needn't make a state-run media outlet official and have any pesky constitutional laws get in the way. All he needs to do is have it in his back pocket, like he already has with Breitbart and some other fringe outlets.HughFreakingDillon said:
I go back and forth on this. I don't know if he 100% gets it. I think it's possible he sees it as his only line of defence against the truth; trash the press. I don't think it's some mass conspiracy to control the media. the constitution simply won't allow that to happen.PJ_Soul said:
He 100% gets it. That is why he's doing it.Bentleyspop said:
He doesn't stop and won't stop because everyone around him are coddled and enablers.Tiki said:
Plus, as I have said previously, he is a spoiled, immature, and narcissistic child who just doesn't get it.
Which says even more about his supporters.
I don't think Trump is honestly a dummy, but I don't think he's presidential caliber intelligent either. I think he's so focused on his own image, that he can't help himself but shout from the rooftops about anyone that people perceive to be better than him, or someone who has wronged him in some way. He knows America, by and large, misses Obama, that's why he's going after him and his reputation. And it will work with his base, but I don't think it will work with his detractors or the moderates.
And BTW, I think Trump is fucking idiot and not intelligent at all. There is no way he'd figure this out for himself. He's got the exact kind of help he needs here. I actually can hardly believe he managed to gather up the crazy little gang that he did.
you have to remember that sure, many of his supporters will believe this BS, but the total of his base is, what, 17% of the voting public? that ain't much.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
CNN is hardly my favorite and frankly, I'm surprised people still watch it. But Ted turner was way ahead of his time, I guess. It's just the one that happens to be easiest for linking to. Most other sites have a pay wall up. Pain in the ass.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:These were the tweets from President Trump leading up to the white house tweet posted above.
H2M your favourite news source is getting hammered today.
Wow, CNN had to retract big story on "Russia," with 3 employees forced to resign. What about all the other phony stories they do? FAKE NEWS! Fake News CNN is looking at big management changes now that they got caught falsely pushing their phony Russian stories. Ratings way down!
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Doesn't the White House have access to a Google machine?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:These were the tweets from President Trump leading up to the white house tweet posted above.
H2M your favourite news source is getting hammered today.
Wow, CNN had to retract big story on "Russia," with 3 employees forced to resign. What about all the other phony stories they do? FAKE NEWS! Fake News CNN is looking at big management changes now that they got caught falsely pushing their phony Russian stories. Ratings way down!
http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/q2-2017-ratings-cnn-has-its-most-watched-2nd-quarter-ever-across-total-day/333374
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^^^
From the above article....
Despite the network’s record-setting performance in total day viewers, CNN was the No. 3 cable news network for the quarter behind Fox News (1.465 million) and MSNBC (886,000)
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fox news viewers have a lot more time on their hands than the average news viewer.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
From the above article....
Despite the network’s record-setting performance in total day viewers, CNN was the No. 3 cable news network for the quarter behind Fox News (1.465 million) and MSNBC (886,000)By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Being third after Faux and MSNBC is not the same as, "ratings way down." Particularly when the article I cited stated they just had their best 2nd quarter among 25-54 year olds since the Iraq war (2003). Only the Donald would equate that to, "ratings way down."PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
From the above article....
Despite the network’s record-setting performance in total day viewers, CNN was the No. 3 cable news network for the quarter behind Fox News (1.465 million) and MSNBC (886,000)09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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This up to date article is better.
http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/q2-2017-ratings-fox-news-is-the-most-watched-cable-news-network-for-62nd-straight-quarters/333380
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Well plenty of plain old observation over time, but there are also gallup poles and shit that show us this.HughFreakingDillon said:
"working like a hot damn". how are you measuring this erosion of public trust in the media?PJ_Soul said:
I just don't think that the decisions you're talking about are as conscious or deliberate as that. Eroding the public trust in the news media is not really about his base or even gaining actual support. Anyway, the tactic is working like a hot damn. It is already clear that he has managed to erode public trust in the news media, and not just among his supporters. It is working on those who don't support him too, just not in such a direct way. Again, it's a psychological game. People being stupid or indifferent really isn't all that necessary for it to work. Most Germans in the 1930s weren't stupid or indifferent either, and yet..............HughFreakingDillon said:
I suppose, I just think it's less likely to work if you are trying to convince people to only believe the good things. many people are that stupid (or just indifferent), but I have faith that most aren't.PJ_Soul said:
I actually consider your example one of consistency. He is warming people up to just believe the good coverage and not believe the bad coverage. I also think that MANY of his supporters believe the fake news thing at face value. But those who don't are still being brainwashed by it on some level. It's a psychological tactic that I think is very obviously being utilized and is working already in some ways. And I don't think whether or not they ever consumed this news is relevant, and the intention really isn't flipping people either. What I'm saying is that they are employing Orwellian tactics, which isn't about flipping people in the way you mean. What they are doing is much less "surface" than that, and much more sinister. Logically convincing moderates or opponents is the LAST thing on their minds.HughFreakingDillon said:
problem is, he's not consistent. if any news agency reports anything positive about him or his government or his family, all of a sudden they are no longer fake news. I don't really believe many of supporters believe any of this fake news BS. Some of them do, for sure, but they probably already didn't watch any of the networks that he calls that. They were all Fox Newsers already. So he's preaching to the choir. I don't think he's effectively flipping anyone.PJ_Soul said:
Once the populace doesn't trust the news media at all, the constitution will become MUCH more flexible. That's the idea. I think Trump, under advisement, knows exactly what he's doing. That is why he is basically hammering everyone over the head with the CONSTANT #fakenews thing, day in and day out. If he weren't so unbelievably persistent and consistent with that particular message, and if Steve Bannon wasn't around, I'd probably agree with you. But given how deliberately consistent he is with that message in particular, and the way he uses the term and works it in no matter the situation suggests that it is part of an intentional long-term plan. I think dismissing it as something else is dangerous in and of itself. I know it's fucking hard to believe, because it's just so fucking nuts in this day and age, and we would all like to think that people know better. But all signs tell us that it's true anyway. And the message is quickly becoming ubiquitous, which means that soon enough the message will sink into the American subconscious. I think that is the plan. They've already managed to very effectively redefine the term "fake news" in the public consciousness, so their plans is already working. But FWIW, I don't think they intend a takeover of the current news media. They intend to make them ineffective, while making fake news more effective. Also, Trump needn't make a state-run media outlet official and have any pesky constitutional laws get in the way. All he needs to do is have it in his back pocket, like he already has with Breitbart and some other fringe outlets.HughFreakingDillon said:
I go back and forth on this. I don't know if he 100% gets it. I think it's possible he sees it as his only line of defence against the truth; trash the press. I don't think it's some mass conspiracy to control the media. the constitution simply won't allow that to happen.PJ_Soul said:
He 100% gets it. That is why he's doing it.Bentleyspop said:
He doesn't stop and won't stop because everyone around him are coddled and enablers.Tiki said:
Plus, as I have said previously, he is a spoiled, immature, and narcissistic child who just doesn't get it.
Which says even more about his supporters.
I don't think Trump is honestly a dummy, but I don't think he's presidential caliber intelligent either. I think he's so focused on his own image, that he can't help himself but shout from the rooftops about anyone that people perceive to be better than him, or someone who has wronged him in some way. He knows America, by and large, misses Obama, that's why he's going after him and his reputation. And it will work with his base, but I don't think it will work with his detractors or the moderates.
And BTW, I think Trump is fucking idiot and not intelligent at all. There is no way he'd figure this out for himself. He's got the exact kind of help he needs here. I actually can hardly believe he managed to gather up the crazy little gang that he did.
you have to remember that sure, many of his supporters will believe this BS, but the total of his base is, what, 17% of the voting public? that ain't much.
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directly attributed to Trump, or just in general? with the proliferation of social media and the like, people have been becoming more and more distrustful of the establishment long before trump came into the picture. But I'd be interested to see if it can actually be measured that Trump is the main cause.PJ_Soul said:
Well plenty of plain old observation over time, but there are also gallup poles and shit that show us this.HughFreakingDillon said:
"working like a hot damn". how are you measuring this erosion of public trust in the media?PJ_Soul said:
I just don't think that the decisions you're talking about are as conscious or deliberate as that. Eroding the public trust in the news media is not really about his base or even gaining actual support. Anyway, the tactic is working like a hot damn. It is already clear that he has managed to erode public trust in the news media, and not just among his supporters. It is working on those who don't support him too, just not in such a direct way. Again, it's a psychological game. People being stupid or indifferent really isn't all that necessary for it to work. Most Germans in the 1930s weren't stupid or indifferent either, and yet..............HughFreakingDillon said:
I suppose, I just think it's less likely to work if you are trying to convince people to only believe the good things. many people are that stupid (or just indifferent), but I have faith that most aren't.PJ_Soul said:
I actually consider your example one of consistency. He is warming people up to just believe the good coverage and not believe the bad coverage. I also think that MANY of his supporters believe the fake news thing at face value. But those who don't are still being brainwashed by it on some level. It's a psychological tactic that I think is very obviously being utilized and is working already in some ways. And I don't think whether or not they ever consumed this news is relevant, and the intention really isn't flipping people either. What I'm saying is that they are employing Orwellian tactics, which isn't about flipping people in the way you mean. What they are doing is much less "surface" than that, and much more sinister. Logically convincing moderates or opponents is the LAST thing on their minds.HughFreakingDillon said:
problem is, he's not consistent. if any news agency reports anything positive about him or his government or his family, all of a sudden they are no longer fake news. I don't really believe many of supporters believe any of this fake news BS. Some of them do, for sure, but they probably already didn't watch any of the networks that he calls that. They were all Fox Newsers already. So he's preaching to the choir. I don't think he's effectively flipping anyone.PJ_Soul said:
Once the populace doesn't trust the news media at all, the constitution will become MUCH more flexible. That's the idea. I think Trump, under advisement, knows exactly what he's doing. That is why he is basically hammering everyone over the head with the CONSTANT #fakenews thing, day in and day out. If he weren't so unbelievably persistent and consistent with that particular message, and if Steve Bannon wasn't around, I'd probably agree with you. But given how deliberately consistent he is with that message in particular, and the way he uses the term and works it in no matter the situation suggests that it is part of an intentional long-term plan. I think dismissing it as something else is dangerous in and of itself. I know it's fucking hard to believe, because it's just so fucking nuts in this day and age, and we would all like to think that people know better. But all signs tell us that it's true anyway. And the message is quickly becoming ubiquitous, which means that soon enough the message will sink into the American subconscious. I think that is the plan. They've already managed to very effectively redefine the term "fake news" in the public consciousness, so their plans is already working. But FWIW, I don't think they intend a takeover of the current news media. They intend to make them ineffective, while making fake news more effective. Also, Trump needn't make a state-run media outlet official and have any pesky constitutional laws get in the way. All he needs to do is have it in his back pocket, like he already has with Breitbart and some other fringe outlets.HughFreakingDillon said:
I go back and forth on this. I don't know if he 100% gets it. I think it's possible he sees it as his only line of defence against the truth; trash the press. I don't think it's some mass conspiracy to control the media. the constitution simply won't allow that to happen.PJ_Soul said:
He 100% gets it. That is why he's doing it.Bentleyspop said:
He doesn't stop and won't stop because everyone around him are coddled and enablers.Tiki said:
Plus, as I have said previously, he is a spoiled, immature, and narcissistic child who just doesn't get it.
Which says even more about his supporters.
I don't think Trump is honestly a dummy, but I don't think he's presidential caliber intelligent either. I think he's so focused on his own image, that he can't help himself but shout from the rooftops about anyone that people perceive to be better than him, or someone who has wronged him in some way. He knows America, by and large, misses Obama, that's why he's going after him and his reputation. And it will work with his base, but I don't think it will work with his detractors or the moderates.
And BTW, I think Trump is fucking idiot and not intelligent at all. There is no way he'd figure this out for himself. He's got the exact kind of help he needs here. I actually can hardly believe he managed to gather up the crazy little gang that he did.
you have to remember that sure, many of his supporters will believe this BS, but the total of his base is, what, 17% of the voting public? that ain't much.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I think it's Salon doing that.oftenreading said:
I will try to find it and report back later. It won't be Kardashians.HesCalledDyer said:
Hopefully they didn't just replace everything with a bunch of Kardashian articles.oftenreading said:I was readings online last night and one of the news sites, I can't remember which, said they were declaring today Trump-Free Tuesday because they were sick of every article being about or at least having some connection to Trump and his ever-evolving chaotic mass of idiocy.0 -
Even Canadians don't want the trump name on their buildings....
Trump Hotel Owner in Toronto Reaches Deal to Remove Trump Brand. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwp-XyozU
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I really like W. Kamau Bell's show Sunday night and Fareed Zakaria's on Sunday mornings.Halifax2TheMax said:
CNN is hardly my favorite and frankly, I'm surprised people still watch it. But Ted turner was way ahead of his time, I guess. It's just the one that happens to be easiest for linking to. Most other sites have a pay wall up. Pain in the ass.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:These were the tweets from President Trump leading up to the white house tweet posted above.
H2M your favourite news source is getting hammered today.
Wow, CNN had to retract big story on "Russia," with 3 employees forced to resign. What about all the other phony stories they do? FAKE NEWS! Fake News CNN is looking at big management changes now that they got caught falsely pushing their phony Russian stories. Ratings way down!
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Trudeau owning Trump:
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It's Obama's fault.HughFreakingDillon said:
directly attributed to Trump, or just in general? with the proliferation of social media and the like, people have been becoming more and more distrustful of the establishment long before trump came into the picture. But I'd be interested to see if it can actually be measured that Trump is the main cause.PJ_Soul said:
Well plenty of plain old observation over time, but there are also gallup poles and shit that show us this.HughFreakingDillon said:
"working like a hot damn". how are you measuring this erosion of public trust in the media?PJ_Soul said:
I just don't think that the decisions you're talking about are as conscious or deliberate as that. Eroding the public trust in the news media is not really about his base or even gaining actual support. Anyway, the tactic is working like a hot damn. It is already clear that he has managed to erode public trust in the news media, and not just among his supporters. It is working on those who don't support him too, just not in such a direct way. Again, it's a psychological game. People being stupid or indifferent really isn't all that necessary for it to work. Most Germans in the 1930s weren't stupid or indifferent either, and yet..............HughFreakingDillon said:
I suppose, I just think it's less likely to work if you are trying to convince people to only believe the good things. many people are that stupid (or just indifferent), but I have faith that most aren't.PJ_Soul said:
I actually consider your example one of consistency. He is warming people up to just believe the good coverage and not believe the bad coverage. I also think that MANY of his supporters believe the fake news thing at face value. But those who don't are still being brainwashed by it on some level. It's a psychological tactic that I think is very obviously being utilized and is working already in some ways. And I don't think whether or not they ever consumed this news is relevant, and the intention really isn't flipping people either. What I'm saying is that they are employing Orwellian tactics, which isn't about flipping people in the way you mean. What they are doing is much less "surface" than that, and much more sinister. Logically convincing moderates or opponents is the LAST thing on their minds.HughFreakingDillon said:
problem is, he's not consistent. if any news agency reports anything positive about him or his government or his family, all of a sudden they are no longer fake news. I don't really believe many of supporters believe any of this fake news BS. Some of them do, for sure, but they probably already didn't watch any of the networks that he calls that. They were all Fox Newsers already. So he's preaching to the choir. I don't think he's effectively flipping anyone.PJ_Soul said:
Once the populace doesn't trust the news media at all, the constitution will become MUCH more flexible. That's the idea. I think Trump, under advisement, knows exactly what he's doing. That is why he is basically hammering everyone over the head with the CONSTANT #fakenews thing, day in and day out. If he weren't so unbelievably persistent and consistent with that particular message, and if Steve Bannon wasn't around, I'd probably agree with you. But given how deliberately consistent he is with that message in particular, and the way he uses the term and works it in no matter the situation suggests that it is part of an intentional long-term plan. I think dismissing it as something else is dangerous in and of itself. I know it's fucking hard to believe, because it's just so fucking nuts in this day and age, and we would all like to think that people know better. But all signs tell us that it's true anyway. And the message is quickly becoming ubiquitous, which means that soon enough the message will sink into the American subconscious. I think that is the plan. They've already managed to very effectively redefine the term "fake news" in the public consciousness, so their plans is already working. But FWIW, I don't think they intend a takeover of the current news media. They intend to make them ineffective, while making fake news more effective. Also, Trump needn't make a state-run media outlet official and have any pesky constitutional laws get in the way. All he needs to do is have it in his back pocket, like he already has with Breitbart and some other fringe outlets.HughFreakingDillon said:
I go back and forth on this. I don't know if he 100% gets it. I think it's possible he sees it as his only line of defence against the truth; trash the press. I don't think it's some mass conspiracy to control the media. the constitution simply won't allow that to happen.PJ_Soul said:
He 100% gets it. That is why he's doing it.Bentleyspop said:
He doesn't stop and won't stop because everyone around him are coddled and enablers.Tiki said:
Plus, as I have said previously, he is a spoiled, immature, and narcissistic child who just doesn't get it.
Which says even more about his supporters.
I don't think Trump is honestly a dummy, but I don't think he's presidential caliber intelligent either. I think he's so focused on his own image, that he can't help himself but shout from the rooftops about anyone that people perceive to be better than him, or someone who has wronged him in some way. He knows America, by and large, misses Obama, that's why he's going after him and his reputation. And it will work with his base, but I don't think it will work with his detractors or the moderates.
And BTW, I think Trump is fucking idiot and not intelligent at all. There is no way he'd figure this out for himself. He's got the exact kind of help he needs here. I actually can hardly believe he managed to gather up the crazy little gang that he did.
you have to remember that sure, many of his supporters will believe this BS, but the total of his base is, what, 17% of the voting public? that ain't much.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Still doesn't make Trump's claim that, "ratings way down" true. Just another lie by the master liar himself.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:This up to date article is better.
http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/q2-2017-ratings-fox-news-is-the-most-watched-cable-news-network-for-62nd-straight-quarters/33338009/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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