Just a handful of crazies, absolutely nothing to be concerned about, as long as I get to keep my cushy executive role and be business pals with my beloved moderate republicans who support this with their votes.
edit, for those who don’t know, the one held up by current republicans, is a direct use of the THREAT of violence
I don't know that they are Nazis. They are weak minded, that's for sure. Their delusions are not limited to Trump.
They’re embracing fascism to maintain the status quo & scapegoating / blaming others for their misery. No, it’s not right at this point in time to say MAGAs are the same as Nazis; but there are parallels / similarities between the movements.
I think they are embracing facism and scapegoating others because they don't know who to blame and don't understand where the prosperity went. Trump is a useful focus for this energy.
It’s pretty clear they are blaming democrats, as evidenced by countless trump speeches and many in person discussions I get to have with his voters.
I don't know that they are Nazis. They are weak minded, that's for sure. Their delusions are not limited to Trump.
They’re embracing fascism to maintain the status quo & scapegoating / blaming others for their misery. No, it’s not right at this point in time to say MAGAs are the same as Nazis; but there are parallels / similarities between the movements.
I think they are embracing facism and scapegoating others because they don't know who to blame and don't understand where the prosperity went. Trump is a useful focus for this energy.
It’s pretty clear they are blaming democrats, as evidenced by countless trump speeches and many in person discussions I get to have with his voters.
I never said they were correct in placing the blame, I said they don't know who to blame. It gets pointed at democrats, immigrants minorities etc, because they don't know who to blame.
I don't know that they are Nazis. They are weak minded, that's for sure. Their delusions are not limited to Trump.
They’re embracing fascism to maintain the status quo & scapegoating / blaming others for their misery. No, it’s not right at this point in time to say MAGAs are the same as Nazis; but there are parallels / similarities between the movements.
I think they are embracing facism and scapegoating others because they don't know who to blame and don't understand where the prosperity went. Trump is a useful focus for this energy.
It’s pretty clear they are blaming democrats, as evidenced by countless trump speeches and many in person discussions I get to have with his voters.
I never said they were correct in placing the blame, I said they don't know who to blame. It gets pointed at democrats, immigrants minorities etc, because they don't know who to blame.
Their orange hued leader is a classic textbook narcissist. As such all blame for everything even remotely negative gets placed elsewhere all the time. However he takes credit for anything and everything positive even if he has nothing to do with it.
Classic narcissism
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I don't know that they are Nazis. They are weak minded, that's for sure. Their delusions are not limited to Trump.
They’re embracing fascism to maintain the status quo & scapegoating / blaming others for their misery. No, it’s not right at this point in time to say MAGAs are the same as Nazis; but there are parallels / similarities between the movements.
I think they are embracing facism and scapegoating others because they don't know who to blame and don't understand where the prosperity went. Trump is a useful focus for this energy.
It’s pretty clear they are blaming democrats, as evidenced by countless trump speeches and many in person discussions I get to have with his voters.
I never said they were correct in placing the blame, I said they don't know who to blame. It gets pointed at democrats, immigrants minorities etc, because they don't know who to blame.
I think your description of them has a lot in common with the German folks who voted for Hitler 90 some years ago
I don't know that they are Nazis. They are weak minded, that's for sure. Their delusions are not limited to Trump.
They’re embracing fascism to maintain the status quo & scapegoating / blaming others for their misery. No, it’s not right at this point in time to say MAGAs are the same as Nazis; but there are parallels / similarities between the movements.
I think they are embracing facism and scapegoating others because they don't know who to blame and don't understand where the prosperity went. Trump is a useful focus for this energy.
It’s pretty clear they are blaming democrats, as evidenced by countless trump speeches and many in person discussions I get to have with his voters.
I never said they were correct in placing the blame, I said they don't know who to blame. It gets pointed at democrats, immigrants minorities etc, because they don't know who to blame.
I think your description of them has a lot in common with the German folks who voted for Hitler 90 some years ago
Yes I agree.
Sadly they can't see that the politicians they voted for are the same politicians that helped erode the tax code, slash public services, cut education budgets, made it easier to offshore jobs, don't provide a social safety net or job training, made it easier to transfer wealth by not taxing stock based pay, changing paying out stock dividends in cash into paying out dividends in shares, allowed fewer companies to run healthcare based on the bottom line by slashing the amount of available beds and hospitals and focusing on upselling sometimes unnecessary tests and outpatient procedures rather than general practice etc. etc. etc, To be fair it wasn't just R's that paved the way for this, some dems were involved as well, not to mention Milton Friedman and Jack Welch laying the framework on the business side. All in the name of deregulation with the promise that eventually the returns would trickle to the rest of us. But here we are now and blaming the manipulated and comparing them to literal nazi's, however fair that characterization may be, is probably not going to improve the situation.
Raising taxes and improving public services will go a lot farther. Luckily the current administration is working on it. Unluckily the short term pain that leads to long term security is where the Republicans excel at blaming and messaging.
The ruling from a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit is a victory for the Justice Department, clearing the way for it to immediately resume its use of the documents as it evaluates whether to bring criminal charges in its investigation into the presence of top-secret government records held at Mar-a-Lago after Trump left the White House.
The government had argued that its investigation had been impeded by the order from U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon that temporarily barred investigators from continuing to use the documents in the probe. Cannon, a Trump appointee, had said the hold would remain in place pending a separate review by an independent arbiter she had appointed at the Trump team’s request.
The FBI last month seized roughly 11,000 documents, including about 100 with classification markings, during a court-authorized search of the Palm Beach club. It has launched a criminal investigation into whether the records were mishandled or compromised. It is not clear whether Trump or anyone else will be charged.
Cannon ruled on Sept. 5 that she would name an independent arbiter, or special master, to do an independent review of those records and segregate any that may be covered by claims of attorney-client privilege or executive privilege and to determine whether any of the materials should be returned to Trump. Raymond Dearie, the former chief judge of the federal court based in Brooklyn, has been named to the role.
The Justice Department had argued that a special master review of the classified documents was not necessary. It said Trump, as a former president, could not invoke executive privilege over the documents, nor could they be covered by attorney-client privilege because they do not involve communications between Trump and his lawyers.
Trump’s lawyers argued that an independent review of the records was essential given the unprecedented nature of the investigation. The lawyers also said the department had not yet proven that the seized documents were classified, though they notably stopped short of asserting — as Trump repeatedly has — that the records were previously declassified. They have resisted providing Dearie with their position on that question, signaling the issue could be part of their defense in the event of an indictment.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Am reading the fake Letitia James summons for the continued witch hunt and suggest, thus far, that if you read any part of it, you read pages 13 through 16 to get a sampling of the alleged fraud. There are 8 examples, some with sub parts, and are representative of a chart they put together as an Exhibit, by category on either side of the ledger.
If any of us tried to pull this shit, we’d be criminally charged and in prison already. Oh, and POOTWH and The Dumb One plead the 5th to the most basic of questions of fact. What was that you say? Only the guilty plea the fifth? Oh, and POOTWH offered to settle pre-summons.
I’m sure it’s just an honest mistake and a mixup. Just like the Capitol insurrection coup attempt was a tourist visit and the unsecured storage of highly classified documents is just a document storage dispute. Let me know when Hillary and Obama are indicted.
NY
Attorney General Letitia James announcing that her office is suing
former President Donald Trump and three of his children.
(Photo by Michael M.
Santiago/Getty Images)
Well, well, well. Let’s just say that Donald Trump has had better days.
This
could be one of his worst, but there may be far worse ones coming down
the line if today turns out to be a preface and not a denouement.
This morning started off bad enough.
New
York Attorney General Letitia James made it known that she was going to
issue a “major announcement.” And she did not disappoint. The lawsuit
she filed in state court is in essence a guided missile aimed right at
the heart of the Trump family business. Calling the level of fraud she
uncovered “staggering,” James outlined a list of facts that could have
been a plotline in The Sopranos.
And
it isn't just the patriarch in her legal crosshairs. The three children
who have been foisted upon the American public — Don Jr., Eric, and
Ivanka — also earned starring roles in the court papers.
While
this is a civil suit, that’s because James is limited from bringing
criminal charges. She did refer her findings to federal prosecutors in
Manhattan, but if they choose to press forward, they will likely have to
get in line.
That’s because as rough as this morning’s news cycle was for Trump, more pain was in the offing.
This
evening, the 11th Circuit ruled on the outrage that has been festering
over the investigation into the classified documents the former
president took (for still unknown reasons, at least publicly) to
Mar-a-Lago.
If Trump was hoping that Trump judges at the
appellate level would fall in line like Judge Cannon (the district judge
who’s done legal backflips well beyond the bounds of precedent or
prudence to accommodate Trump), he was sorely mistaken. Two Trump judges
sided with an Obama appointee to issue a stinging rebuke of the lower
court’s ruling — a ruling that most judicial experts had felt was about
as serious as an episode of Laugh In.
I
will leave it to legal scholars to parse the specifics of the lawsuits
and rulings, but some big things are clear. One, Trump is in trouble.
Big trouble. And not the kind of trouble that he can squirm his way out
of by bloviating to Sean Hannity or browbeating Mitch McConnell. He’s on
the defensive, and pressure is closing in from all directions.
The
timing of these quickening drumbeats of scrutiny overlap with the final
stretch of the midterm elections — into which Trump has vociferously
inserted himself according to the only metric he knows: what benefits
him. November thus is shaping up to be a referendum on Trumpism, to the
dismay of many Republican officials. But those same Republicans have
made a decision en masse to embrace Trump, at least publicly. From a
cynical political calculus one can understand why. The Republican base
is the Trump base, or maybe it’s more accurate to put that the other way
around.
It is also clear that the core of this base is not
enough to power Republicans to majorities in Congress. And yet, if the
base stays home, Republicans also will lose.
With so much at
stake, the unknowns hanging over Trump and his legal jeopardy are very
consequential. How bad might this get for Trump and those who have
fastened themselves to him? Will more be revealed? Will any Republicans
decide that they need to separate themselves from Trump? Will that lead
to disarray within the party as election day approaches? All of this is
possible. But it is also possible that Trump skates by once again, at
least for now. It is possible that Republicans take back Congress, and
they frame their victory as a validation of Trumpism, nevermind what it
means for the health and security of the country.
Right now it
looks like a close election, but tides can shift, sometimes drastically.
Support can crumble. What once looked like strength can be recast as
weakness. Just ask one of the few people having a rougher go of it of
late than Trump — Vladimir Putin.
Oh, and in other late-breaking
news, the January 6th committee has come to an agreement to interview
Clarence Thomas’s wife Ginni Thomas. Can’t forget about that
investigation.
One imagines all is not quiet tonight in Mar-a-Lago.
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sharing our content with others and leaving your thoughts in the
comments.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Just a handful of crazies, absolutely nothing to be concerned about, as long as I get to keep my cushy executive role and be business pals with my beloved moderate republicans who support this with their votes.
edit, for those who don’t know, the one held up by current republicans, is a direct use of the THREAT of violence
I'm kidding but cmon, a Hitler salute and finger pointing are the same? If they were throwing up that OK symbol I'd agree.
NY
Attorney General Letitia James announcing that her office is suing
former President Donald Trump and three of his children.
(Photo by Michael M.
Santiago/Getty Images)
Well, well, well. Let’s just say that Donald Trump has had better days.
This
could be one of his worst, but there may be far worse ones coming down
the line if today turns out to be a preface and not a denouement.
This morning started off bad enough.
New
York Attorney General Letitia James made it known that she was going to
issue a “major announcement.” And she did not disappoint. The lawsuit
she filed in state court is in essence a guided missile aimed right at
the heart of the Trump family business. Calling the level of fraud she
uncovered “staggering,” James outlined a list of facts that could have
been a plotline in The Sopranos.
And
it isn't just the patriarch in her legal crosshairs. The three children
who have been foisted upon the American public — Don Jr., Eric, and
Ivanka — also earned starring roles in the court papers.
While
this is a civil suit, that’s because James is limited from bringing
criminal charges. She did refer her findings to federal prosecutors in
Manhattan, but if they choose to press forward, they will likely have to
get in line.
That’s because as rough as this morning’s news cycle was for Trump, more pain was in the offing.
This
evening, the 11th Circuit ruled on the outrage that has been festering
over the investigation into the classified documents the former
president took (for still unknown reasons, at least publicly) to
Mar-a-Lago.
If Trump was hoping that Trump judges at the
appellate level would fall in line like Judge Cannon (the district judge
who’s done legal backflips well beyond the bounds of precedent or
prudence to accommodate Trump), he was sorely mistaken. Two Trump judges
sided with an Obama appointee to issue a stinging rebuke of the lower
court’s ruling — a ruling that most judicial experts had felt was about
as serious as an episode of Laugh In.
I
will leave it to legal scholars to parse the specifics of the lawsuits
and rulings, but some big things are clear. One, Trump is in trouble.
Big trouble. And not the kind of trouble that he can squirm his way out
of by bloviating to Sean Hannity or browbeating Mitch McConnell. He’s on
the defensive, and pressure is closing in from all directions.
The
timing of these quickening drumbeats of scrutiny overlap with the final
stretch of the midterm elections — into which Trump has vociferously
inserted himself according to the only metric he knows: what benefits
him. November thus is shaping up to be a referendum on Trumpism, to the
dismay of many Republican officials. But those same Republicans have
made a decision en masse to embrace Trump, at least publicly. From a
cynical political calculus one can understand why. The Republican base
is the Trump base, or maybe it’s more accurate to put that the other way
around.
It is also clear that the core of this base is not
enough to power Republicans to majorities in Congress. And yet, if the
base stays home, Republicans also will lose.
With so much at
stake, the unknowns hanging over Trump and his legal jeopardy are very
consequential. How bad might this get for Trump and those who have
fastened themselves to him? Will more be revealed? Will any Republicans
decide that they need to separate themselves from Trump? Will that lead
to disarray within the party as election day approaches? All of this is
possible. But it is also possible that Trump skates by once again, at
least for now. It is possible that Republicans take back Congress, and
they frame their victory as a validation of Trumpism, nevermind what it
means for the health and security of the country.
Right now it
looks like a close election, but tides can shift, sometimes drastically.
Support can crumble. What once looked like strength can be recast as
weakness. Just ask one of the few people having a rougher go of it of
late than Trump — Vladimir Putin.
Oh, and in other late-breaking
news, the January 6th committee has come to an agreement to interview
Clarence Thomas’s wife Ginni Thomas. Can’t forget about that
investigation.
One imagines all is not quiet tonight in Mar-a-Lago.
Note: If you are not already a subscriber to our Steady
newsletter, please consider joining us. And we always appreciate you
sharing our content with others and leaving your thoughts in the
comments.
I am hoping that this stops him from running for president next election. Either that or he will be hell bent and try and start a civil war. He's a big baby and doesn't like losing.
Just a handful of crazies, absolutely nothing to be concerned about, as long as I get to keep my cushy executive role and be business pals with my beloved moderate republicans who support this with their votes.
edit, for those who don’t know, the one held up by current republicans, is a direct use of the THREAT of violence
I'm kidding but cmon, a Hitler salute and finger pointing are the same? If they were throwing up that OK symbol I'd agree.
They were throwing up a qanon symbol with their index fingers. They're brainwashed wackos just like those people from Germany were.
Just a handful of crazies, absolutely nothing to be concerned about, as long as I get to keep my cushy executive role and be business pals with my beloved moderate republicans who support this with their votes.
edit, for those who don’t know, the one held up by current republicans, is a direct use of the THREAT of violence
I'm kidding but cmon, a Hitler salute and finger pointing are the same? If they were throwing up that OK symbol I'd agree.
Just a handful of crazies, absolutely nothing to be concerned about, as long as I get to keep my cushy executive role and be business pals with my beloved moderate republicans who support this with their votes.
edit, for those who don’t know, the one held up by current republicans, is a direct use of the THREAT of violence
I'm kidding but cmon, a Hitler salute and finger pointing are the same? If they were throwing up that OK symbol I'd agree.
They were throwing up a qanon symbol with their index fingers. They're brainwashed wackos just like those people from Germany were.
Didn't Q adopt the OK symbol too? I didn't know they are doing the index finger thing now. That's new.
I just read up on the pointing thing and nobody is sure what it is yet but you are probably right.
Just a handful of crazies, absolutely nothing to be concerned about, as long as I get to keep my cushy executive role and be business pals with my beloved moderate republicans who support this with their votes.
edit, for those who don’t know, the one held up by current republicans, is a direct use of the THREAT of violence
I'm kidding but cmon, a Hitler salute and finger pointing are the same? If they were throwing up that OK symbol I'd agree.
Know less about fascism.
You know what's interesting. If they actually get facism, how many will realize they screwed up wanting that? No way it's 35% of the population?
Just a handful of crazies, absolutely nothing to be concerned about, as long as I get to keep my cushy executive role and be business pals with my beloved moderate republicans who support this with their votes.
edit, for those who don’t know, the one held up by current republicans, is a direct use of the THREAT of violence
I'm kidding but cmon, a Hitler salute and finger pointing are the same? If they were throwing up that OK symbol I'd agree.
Know less about fascism.
You know what's interesting. If they actually get facism, how many will realize they screwed up wanting that? No way it's 35% of the population?
It doesn’t need to be violent, despite the fact that senior senate leaders seem to be alright with the violence among their base.
Denying access to voting, and fair counting and certification, is all part of the fascist American uprising being dismissed by moderates.
…
edit, regarding the salute
Former President Donald Trump appeared at a rally on Saturday in Youngstown, Ohio, which featured music similar to the anthem of QAnon and supporters giving a one-finger salute.
USA Today, The New York Times and Business Insider reported that Trump was at the rally to support Ohio Senate candidate J.D. Vance. As Trump spoke, people reportedly raised an arm with their index finger pointed as they cheered.
The background music, The New York Times reported, sounded similar to a QAnon song called "Wwg1wga," which stands for “where we go one, we go all.”
The salute, however, was a different story.
While The Washington Post and British newspaper The Guardian reported that some political observers pointed out the one-finger salute resembled another salute that the Nazis used, NBC News reporter Ben Collins and The New York Times reported that the salute was probably in reference to the QAnon song.
Just a handful of crazies, absolutely nothing to be concerned about, as long as I get to keep my cushy executive role and be business pals with my beloved moderate republicans who support this with their votes.
edit, for those who don’t know, the one held up by current republicans, is a direct use of the THREAT of violence
I'm kidding but cmon, a Hitler salute and finger pointing are the same? If they were throwing up that OK symbol I'd agree.
Know less about fascism.
You know what's interesting. If they actually get facism, how many will realize they screwed up wanting that? No way it's 35% of the population?
It doesn’t need to be violent, despite the fact that senior senate leaders seem to be alright with the violence among their base.
Denying access to voting, and fair counting and certification, is all part of the fascist American uprising being dismissed by moderates.
…
edit, regarding the salute
Former President Donald Trump appeared at a rally on Saturday in Youngstown, Ohio, which featured music similar to the anthem of QAnon and supporters giving a one-finger salute.
USA Today, The New York Times and Business Insider reported that Trump was at the rally to support Ohio Senate candidate J.D. Vance. As Trump spoke, people reportedly raised an arm with their index finger pointed as they cheered.
The background music, The New York Times reported, sounded similar to a QAnon song called "Wwg1wga," which stands for “where we go one, we go all.”
The salute, however, was a different story.
While The Washington Post and British newspaper The Guardian reported that some political observers pointed out the one-finger salute resembled another salute that the Nazis used, NBC News reporter Ben Collins and The New York Times reported that the salute was probably in reference to the QAnon song.
Yes I read that. Calling the finger pointing a Nazi salute is just dumb though. I see that as people whom don't care for them or their politics and it's headline grabbing and not very good journalism.
I have never read that finger pointing resembled a Nazi salute until today.
Just a handful of crazies, absolutely nothing to be concerned about, as long as I get to keep my cushy executive role and be business pals with my beloved moderate republicans who support this with their votes.
edit, for those who don’t know, the one held up by current republicans, is a direct use of the THREAT of violence
I'm kidding but cmon, a Hitler salute and finger pointing are the same? If they were throwing up that OK symbol I'd agree.
Know less about fascism.
You know what's interesting. If they actually get facism, how many will realize they screwed up wanting that? No way it's 35% of the population?
It doesn’t need to be violent, despite the fact that senior senate leaders seem to be alright with the violence among their base.
Denying access to voting, and fair counting and certification, is all part of the fascist American uprising being dismissed by moderates.
…
edit, regarding the salute
Former President Donald Trump appeared at a rally on Saturday in Youngstown, Ohio, which featured music similar to the anthem of QAnon and supporters giving a one-finger salute.
USA Today, The New York Times and Business Insider reported that Trump was at the rally to support Ohio Senate candidate J.D. Vance. As Trump spoke, people reportedly raised an arm with their index finger pointed as they cheered.
The background music, The New York Times reported, sounded similar to a QAnon song called "Wwg1wga," which stands for “where we go one, we go all.”
The salute, however, was a different story.
While The Washington Post and British newspaper The Guardian reported that some political observers pointed out the one-finger salute resembled another salute that the Nazis used, NBC News reporter Ben Collins and The New York Times reported that the salute was probably in reference to the QAnon song.
Yes I read that. Calling the finger pointing a Nazi salute is just dumb though. I see that as people whom don't care for them or their politics and it's headline grabbing and not very good journalism.
I have never read that finger pointing resembled a Nazi salute until today.
Who said finger pointing is a nazi salute?
I compared one fascist crowd to another and suggested they're the same. Sorry if the nuance was lost on you.
Just a handful of crazies, absolutely nothing to be concerned about, as long as I get to keep my cushy executive role and be business pals with my beloved moderate republicans who support this with their votes.
edit, for those who don’t know, the one held up by current republicans, is a direct use of the THREAT of violence
I'm kidding but cmon, a Hitler salute and finger pointing are the same? If they were throwing up that OK symbol I'd agree.
Know less about fascism.
You know what's interesting. If they actually get facism, how many will realize they screwed up wanting that? No way it's 35% of the population?
It doesn’t need to be violent, despite the fact that senior senate leaders seem to be alright with the violence among their base.
Denying access to voting, and fair counting and certification, is all part of the fascist American uprising being dismissed by moderates.
…
edit, regarding the salute
Former President Donald Trump appeared at a rally on Saturday in Youngstown, Ohio, which featured music similar to the anthem of QAnon and supporters giving a one-finger salute.
USA Today, The New York Times and Business Insider reported that Trump was at the rally to support Ohio Senate candidate J.D. Vance. As Trump spoke, people reportedly raised an arm with their index finger pointed as they cheered.
The background music, The New York Times reported, sounded similar to a QAnon song called "Wwg1wga," which stands for “where we go one, we go all.”
The salute, however, was a different story.
While The Washington Post and British newspaper The Guardian reported that some political observers pointed out the one-finger salute resembled another salute that the Nazis used, NBC News reporter Ben Collins and The New York Times reported that the salute was probably in reference to the QAnon song.
Yes I read that. Calling the finger pointing a Nazi salute is just dumb though. I see that as people whom don't care for them or their politics and it's headline grabbing and not very good journalism.
I have never read that finger pointing resembled a Nazi salute until today.
Who said finger pointing is a nazi salute?
I compared one fascist crowd to another and suggested they're the same. Sorry if the nuance was lost on you.
If you read what I just quoted then you would have got the reference, sorry that was lost on you. Nuance is a stretch. I still think it's lazy reporting.
The salute, however, was a different story.
While The Washington Post and British newspaper The Guardian reported that some political observers pointed out the one-finger salute resembled another salute that the Nazis used, NBC News reporter Ben Collins and The New York Times reported that the salute was probably in reference to the QAnon song.
Just a handful of crazies, absolutely nothing to be concerned about, as long as I get to keep my cushy executive role and be business pals with my beloved moderate republicans who support this with their votes.
edit, for those who don’t know, the one held up by current republicans, is a direct use of the THREAT of violence
I'm kidding but cmon, a Hitler salute and finger pointing are the same? If they were throwing up that OK symbol I'd agree.
Know less about fascism.
You know what's interesting. If they actually get facism, how many will realize they screwed up wanting that? No way it's 35% of the population?
It doesn’t need to be violent, despite the fact that senior senate leaders seem to be alright with the violence among their base.
Denying access to voting, and fair counting and certification, is all part of the fascist American uprising being dismissed by moderates.
…
edit, regarding the salute
Former President Donald Trump appeared at a rally on Saturday in Youngstown, Ohio, which featured music similar to the anthem of QAnon and supporters giving a one-finger salute.
USA Today, The New York Times and Business Insider reported that Trump was at the rally to support Ohio Senate candidate J.D. Vance. As Trump spoke, people reportedly raised an arm with their index finger pointed as they cheered.
The background music, The New York Times reported, sounded similar to a QAnon song called "Wwg1wga," which stands for “where we go one, we go all.”
The salute, however, was a different story.
While The Washington Post and British newspaper The Guardian reported that some political observers pointed out the one-finger salute resembled another salute that the Nazis used, NBC News reporter Ben Collins and The New York Times reported that the salute was probably in reference to the QAnon song.
Yes I read that. Calling the finger pointing a Nazi salute is just dumb though. I see that as people whom don't care for them or their politics and it's headline grabbing and not very good journalism.
I have never read that finger pointing resembled a Nazi salute until today.
Who said finger pointing is a nazi salute?
I compared one fascist crowd to another and suggested they're the same. Sorry if the nuance was lost on you.
If you read what I just quoted then you would have got the reference, sorry that was lost on you. Nuance is a stretch. I still think it's lazy reporting.
The salute, however, was a different story.
While The Washington Post and British newspaper The Guardian reported that some political observers pointed out the one-finger salute resembled another salute that the Nazis used, NBC News reporter Ben Collins and The New York Times reported that the salute was probably in reference to the QAnon song.
I thought you were referring to my post of the pictures.
Just a handful of crazies, absolutely nothing to be concerned about, as long as I get to keep my cushy executive role and be business pals with my beloved moderate republicans who support this with their votes.
edit, for those who don’t know, the one held up by current republicans, is a direct use of the THREAT of violence
I'm kidding but cmon, a Hitler salute and finger pointing are the same? If they were throwing up that OK symbol I'd agree.
Know less about fascism.
You know what's interesting. If they actually get facism, how many will realize they screwed up wanting that? No way it's 35% of the population?
It doesn’t need to be violent, despite the fact that senior senate leaders seem to be alright with the violence among their base.
Denying access to voting, and fair counting and certification, is all part of the fascist American uprising being dismissed by moderates.
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edit, regarding the salute
Former President Donald Trump appeared at a rally on Saturday in Youngstown, Ohio, which featured music similar to the anthem of QAnon and supporters giving a one-finger salute.
USA Today, The New York Times and Business Insider reported that Trump was at the rally to support Ohio Senate candidate J.D. Vance. As Trump spoke, people reportedly raised an arm with their index finger pointed as they cheered.
The background music, The New York Times reported, sounded similar to a QAnon song called "Wwg1wga," which stands for “where we go one, we go all.”
The salute, however, was a different story.
While The Washington Post and British newspaper The Guardian reported that some political observers pointed out the one-finger salute resembled another salute that the Nazis used, NBC News reporter Ben Collins and The New York Times reported that the salute was probably in reference to the QAnon song.
Yes I read that. Calling the finger pointing a Nazi salute is just dumb though. I see that as people whom don't care for them or their politics and it's headline grabbing and not very good journalism.
I have never read that finger pointing resembled a Nazi salute until today.
Who said finger pointing is a nazi salute?
I compared one fascist crowd to another and suggested they're the same. Sorry if the nuance was lost on you.
If you read what I just quoted then you would have got the reference, sorry that was lost on you. Nuance is a stretch. I still think it's lazy reporting.
The salute, however, was a different story.
While The Washington Post and British newspaper The Guardian reported that some political observers pointed out the one-finger salute resembled another salute that the Nazis used, NBC News reporter Ben Collins and The New York Times reported that the salute was probably in reference to the QAnon song.
I thought you were referring to my post of the pictures.
Sorry.
NP, I see where you are coming from though.
Is anybody monitoring Q sites anymore? I'm wondering what kind of batshit crazy ideas they are coming up w next? And kudos to Trump for that dog whistle and the Q soundalike song. You really know how to get your base rallying.
It’s not about the finger in the air and Q. It’s about the rhetoric flowing from POOTWH’s mouth and the 35% of the repub party, his base, agreeing with it and just enough indies to go along with it. All of these deplorables don’t travel to his rallies but they agree with the rhetoric and more than likely would jump in if someone else starts the shit. Dismissing this or excusing it or not recognizing it for what it is, is dangerous, irresponsible and perhaps, complicitness. Ignore it at your peril.
It’s not about the finger in the air and Q. It’s about the rhetoric flowing from POOTWH’s mouth and the 35% of the repub party, his base, agreeing with it and just enough indies to go along with it. All of these deplorables don’t travel to his rallies but they agree with the rhetoric and more than likely would jump in if someone else starts the shit. Dismissing this or excusing it or not recognizing it for what it is, is dangerous, irresponsible and perhaps, complicitness. Ignore it at your peril.
I agree with this but not one reporter honed in on it hence my "lazy reporting" comment. if you want to call it a nazi salute then back it up. Just saying it doesn't do anything for me and I'll call that out.
I am not down for another 4 years of Trump but if I see lazy comments and reporting I'll call it out.
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edit, for those who don’t know, the one held up by current republicans, is a direct use of the THREAT of violence
It's just a little fascism sweeping the GOP, you guys... it's not like fascism has ever been a problem in the past.
I'm sure if we just ignore it & assume the best of everyone involved it will all turn out ok.
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However he takes credit for anything and everything positive even if he has nothing to do with it.
Classic narcissism
Sadly they can't see that the politicians they voted for are the same politicians that helped erode the tax code, slash public services, cut education budgets, made it easier to offshore jobs, don't provide a social safety net or job training, made it easier to transfer wealth by not taxing stock based pay, changing paying out stock dividends in cash into paying out dividends in shares, allowed fewer companies to run healthcare based on the bottom line by slashing the amount of available beds and hospitals and focusing on upselling sometimes unnecessary tests and outpatient procedures rather than general practice etc. etc. etc, To be fair it wasn't just R's that paved the way for this, some dems were involved as well, not to mention Milton Friedman and Jack Welch laying the framework on the business side. All in the name of deregulation with the promise that eventually the returns would trickle to the rest of us. But here we are now and blaming the manipulated and comparing them to literal nazi's, however fair that characterization may be, is probably not going to improve the situation.
Raising taxes and improving public services will go a lot farther. Luckily the current administration is working on it. Unluckily the short term pain that leads to long term security is where the Republicans excel at blaming and messaging.
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Fucker.
WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal appeals panel has lifted a judge's hold on the Justice Department's ability to use classified records seized from former President Donald Trump's Florida estate in its ongoing criminal investigation.
The ruling from a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit is a victory for the Justice Department, clearing the way for it to immediately resume its use of the documents as it evaluates whether to bring criminal charges in its investigation into the presence of top-secret government records held at Mar-a-Lago after Trump left the White House.
The government had argued that its investigation had been impeded by the order from U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon that temporarily barred investigators from continuing to use the documents in the probe. Cannon, a Trump appointee, had said the hold would remain in place pending a separate review by an independent arbiter she had appointed at the Trump team’s request.
The FBI last month seized roughly 11,000 documents, including about 100 with classification markings, during a court-authorized search of the Palm Beach club. It has launched a criminal investigation into whether the records were mishandled or compromised. It is not clear whether Trump or anyone else will be charged.
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Cannon ruled on Sept. 5 that she would name an independent arbiter, or special master, to do an independent review of those records and segregate any that may be covered by claims of attorney-client privilege or executive privilege and to determine whether any of the materials should be returned to Trump. Raymond Dearie, the former chief judge of the federal court based in Brooklyn, has been named to the role.
The Justice Department had argued that a special master review of the classified documents was not necessary. It said Trump, as a former president, could not invoke executive privilege over the documents, nor could they be covered by attorney-client privilege because they do not involve communications between Trump and his lawyers.
Trump’s lawyers argued that an independent review of the records was essential given the unprecedented nature of the investigation. The lawyers also said the department had not yet proven that the seized documents were classified, though they notably stopped short of asserting — as Trump repeatedly has — that the records were previously declassified. They have resisted providing Dearie with their position on that question, signaling the issue could be part of their defense in the event of an indictment.
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If any of us tried to pull this shit, we’d be criminally charged and in prison already. Oh, and POOTWH and The Dumb One plead the 5th to the most basic of questions of fact. What was that you say? Only the guilty plea the fifth? Oh, and POOTWH offered to settle pre-summons.
I’m sure it’s just an honest mistake and a mixup. Just like the Capitol insurrection coup attempt was a tourist visit and the unsecured storage of highly classified documents is just a document storage dispute. Let me know when Hillary and Obama are indicted.
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Trump Had a Day
And it might get worse
Well, well, well. Let’s just say that Donald Trump has had better days.
This could be one of his worst, but there may be far worse ones coming down the line if today turns out to be a preface and not a denouement.
This morning started off bad enough.
New York Attorney General Letitia James made it known that she was going to issue a “major announcement.” And she did not disappoint. The lawsuit she filed in state court is in essence a guided missile aimed right at the heart of the Trump family business. Calling the level of fraud she uncovered “staggering,” James outlined a list of facts that could have been a plotline in The Sopranos.
And it isn't just the patriarch in her legal crosshairs. The three children who have been foisted upon the American public — Don Jr., Eric, and Ivanka — also earned starring roles in the court papers.
While this is a civil suit, that’s because James is limited from bringing criminal charges. She did refer her findings to federal prosecutors in Manhattan, but if they choose to press forward, they will likely have to get in line.
That’s because as rough as this morning’s news cycle was for Trump, more pain was in the offing.
This evening, the 11th Circuit ruled on the outrage that has been festering over the investigation into the classified documents the former president took (for still unknown reasons, at least publicly) to Mar-a-Lago.
If Trump was hoping that Trump judges at the appellate level would fall in line like Judge Cannon (the district judge who’s done legal backflips well beyond the bounds of precedent or prudence to accommodate Trump), he was sorely mistaken. Two Trump judges sided with an Obama appointee to issue a stinging rebuke of the lower court’s ruling — a ruling that most judicial experts had felt was about as serious as an episode of Laugh In.
I will leave it to legal scholars to parse the specifics of the lawsuits and rulings, but some big things are clear. One, Trump is in trouble. Big trouble. And not the kind of trouble that he can squirm his way out of by bloviating to Sean Hannity or browbeating Mitch McConnell. He’s on the defensive, and pressure is closing in from all directions.
The timing of these quickening drumbeats of scrutiny overlap with the final stretch of the midterm elections — into which Trump has vociferously inserted himself according to the only metric he knows: what benefits him. November thus is shaping up to be a referendum on Trumpism, to the dismay of many Republican officials. But those same Republicans have made a decision en masse to embrace Trump, at least publicly. From a cynical political calculus one can understand why. The Republican base is the Trump base, or maybe it’s more accurate to put that the other way around.
It is also clear that the core of this base is not enough to power Republicans to majorities in Congress. And yet, if the base stays home, Republicans also will lose.
With so much at stake, the unknowns hanging over Trump and his legal jeopardy are very consequential. How bad might this get for Trump and those who have fastened themselves to him? Will more be revealed? Will any Republicans decide that they need to separate themselves from Trump? Will that lead to disarray within the party as election day approaches? All of this is possible. But it is also possible that Trump skates by once again, at least for now. It is possible that Republicans take back Congress, and they frame their victory as a validation of Trumpism, nevermind what it means for the health and security of the country.
Right now it looks like a close election, but tides can shift, sometimes drastically. Support can crumble. What once looked like strength can be recast as weakness. Just ask one of the few people having a rougher go of it of late than Trump — Vladimir Putin.
Oh, and in other late-breaking news, the January 6th committee has come to an agreement to interview Clarence Thomas’s wife Ginni Thomas. Can’t forget about that investigation.
One imagines all is not quiet tonight in Mar-a-Lago.
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I'm kidding but cmon, a Hitler salute and finger pointing are the same? If they were throwing up that OK symbol I'd agree.
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I just read up on the pointing thing and nobody is sure what it is yet but you are probably right.
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edit, regarding the salute
Former President Donald Trump appeared at a rally on Saturday in Youngstown, Ohio, which featured music similar to the anthem of QAnon and supporters giving a one-finger salute.
USA Today, The New York Times and Business Insider reported that Trump was at the rally to support Ohio Senate candidate J.D. Vance. As Trump spoke, people reportedly raised an arm with their index finger pointed as they cheered.
The background music, The New York Times reported, sounded similar to a QAnon song called "Wwg1wga," which stands for “where we go one, we go all.”
The salute, however, was a different story.
While The Washington Post and British newspaper The Guardian reported that some political observers pointed out the one-finger salute resembled another salute that the Nazis used, NBC News reporter Ben Collins and The New York Times reported that the salute was probably in reference to the QAnon song.
I have never read that finger pointing resembled a Nazi salute until today.
Who said finger pointing is a nazi salute?
I compared one fascist crowd to another and suggested they're the same. Sorry if the nuance was lost on you.
The salute, however, was a different story.
While The Washington Post and British newspaper The Guardian reported that some political observers pointed out the one-finger salute resembled another salute that the Nazis used, NBC News reporter Ben Collins and The New York Times reported that the salute was probably in reference to the QAnon song.
Sorry.
Is anybody monitoring Q sites anymore? I'm wondering what kind of batshit crazy ideas they are coming up w next? And kudos to Trump for that dog whistle and the Q soundalike song. You really know how to get your base rallying.
Friggin crazy...
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I am not down for another 4 years of Trump but if I see lazy comments and reporting I'll call it out.