Donald Trump

mrussel1

Ledbetterman10 said:

RYME said:

I've tried to make this point 10 different ways it's just not going to sink in here.
The Democrat Party has swung way too far to the left.  It's not about race or sexism or any of those other things. Until you wrap your head around that ,  or until the Democrat Party dials it back a bit, you're just going to continue making the wrong assumptions and generalizations.  Your refusal to acknowledge what I'm trying to tell you is going to help get him elected again.

I've tried to get this point across too, but have since given up. The thought around here (and most left-leaning places) is that President Donald Trump is nobody's fault except for the people that voted for him (and Russia I guess). The won't accept the argument that everybody in this country (Dem or Repub, white or black, gay or straight, rich or poor, natural citizen or illegal immigrant, whatever) has contributed to cultivating a society where someone like Donald Trump can be the president. 

That's a pretty esoteric argument.  That same society cultivated an environment where Barack Obama could be president too.  I'm not saying you're wrong, but people  are responsible for the lever they pull and the choices they make.  There's enough people in this country that saw Trump as an abomination, but our electoral college led to a different conclusion.  John Kasich could have beaten Hillary easily.  Why did the Republican primary voters go with him?  That's not everyone's fault, in my opinion.  

josevolution

Taxes I paid over 5 thousand in April because of his tax plan , who should I complain too Pelosi ? That’s the 1st time I had to pay that much most yrs I would brake even or even bring home some cash not this yr ..

Ledbetterman10

pjhawks said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RYME said:

I've tried to make this point 10 different ways it's just not going to sink in here.
The Democrat Party has swung way too far to the left.  It's not about race or sexism or any of those other things. Until you wrap your head around that ,  or until the Democrat Party dials it back a bit, you're just going to continue making the wrong assumptions and generalizations.  Your refusal to acknowledge what I'm trying to tell you is going to help get him elected again.

I've tried to get this point across too, but have since given up. The thought around here (and most left-leaning places) is that President Donald Trump is nobody's fault except for the people that voted for him (and Russia I guess). The won't accept the argument that everybody in this country (Dem or Repub, white or black, gay or straight, rich or poor, natural citizen or illegal immigrant, whatever) has contributed to cultivating a society where someone like Donald Trump can be the president. 

bullshit. i bear no responsibility for morons voting for this scumbag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZvT2r828QY

That’s fine.

josevolution

Ledbetterman10 said:

RYME said:

I've tried to make this point 10 different ways it's just not going to sink in here.
The Democrat Party has swung way too far to the left.  It's not about race or sexism or any of those other things. Until you wrap your head around that ,  or until the Democrat Party dials it back a bit, you're just going to continue making the wrong assumptions and generalizations.  Your refusal to acknowledge what I'm trying to tell you is going to help get him elected again.

I've tried to get this point across too, but have since given up. The thought around here (and most left-leaning places) is that President Donald Trump is nobody's fault except for the people that voted for him (and Russia I guess). The won't accept the argument that everybody in this country (Dem or Repub, white or black, gay or straight, rich or poor, natural citizen or illegal immigrant, whatever) has contributed to cultivating a society where someone like Donald Trump can be the president. 

What point that he’s not a racist lol the man has been a racist his whole adult life , yes the country has over 50million racist that love him and believe he was sent by god to part the seas !

Ledbetterman10

josevolution said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RYME said:

I've tried to make this point 10 different ways it's just not going to sink in here.
The Democrat Party has swung way too far to the left.  It's not about race or sexism or any of those other things. Until you wrap your head around that ,  or until the Democrat Party dials it back a bit, you're just going to continue making the wrong assumptions and generalizations.  Your refusal to acknowledge what I'm trying to tell you is going to help get him elected again.

I've tried to get this point across too, but have since given up. The thought around here (and most left-leaning places) is that President Donald Trump is nobody's fault except for the people that voted for him (and Russia I guess). The won't accept the argument that everybody in this country (Dem or Repub, white or black, gay or straight, rich or poor, natural citizen or illegal immigrant, whatever) has contributed to cultivating a society where someone like Donald Trump can be the president. 

What point that he’s not a racist lol the man has been a racist his whole adult life , yes the country has over 50million racist that love him and believe he was sent by god to part the seas !

The point is that maybe, just maybe, there are other factors to Trump's political success besides racism. And I'm not minimizing the racist aspect of all of this. But if you think over 60 million people just thought "Finally! A real racist! He's got my vote!" then whatever, keep thinking that. 

The Juggler

Ledbetterman10

The Juggler said:

This is something that someone really needs to compile; a list of all his contradictory tweets. There's many lists of his lies, but there seems to be so many contradictions between the stuff he tweeted pre-presidency and now during his presidency that I'd be interested to see how many there really are.

OnWis97

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RYME said:

I've tried to make this point 10 different ways it's just not going to sink in here.
The Democrat Party has swung way too far to the left.  It's not about race or sexism or any of those other things. Until you wrap your head around that ,  or until the Democrat Party dials it back a bit, you're just going to continue making the wrong assumptions and generalizations.  Your refusal to acknowledge what I'm trying to tell you is going to help get him elected again.

I've tried to get this point across too, but have since given up. The thought around here (and most left-leaning places) is that President Donald Trump is nobody's fault except for the people that voted for him (and Russia I guess). The won't accept the argument that everybody in this country (Dem or Repub, white or black, gay or straight, rich or poor, natural citizen or illegal immigrant, whatever) has contributed to cultivating a society where someone like Donald Trump can be the president. 

What point that he’s not a racist lol the man has been a racist his whole adult life , yes the country has over 50million racist that love him and believe he was sent by god to part the seas !

The point is that maybe, just maybe, there are other factors to Trump's political success besides racism. And I'm not minimizing the racist aspect of all of this. But if you think over 60 million people just thought "Finally! A real racist! He's got my vote!" then whatever, keep thinking that. 

Well, not that blatantly (also, nobody thinks of themselves as racist)...I cannot prove it, but I don't think Trump happens without Obama...I think the whole "Finally, a president that LOVES America" shtick is absolutely derived from having a black president for eight years.  What's the term..."racial anxiety."

Like most topics, this is much more nuanced than we'll be able to pull off here.  There's the definition of racist...their motivations...the "straight ticket" voter...the whole "I hate career politicians" thing.  To me, race/racism was a factor, but not THE factor.  Of course, I'm going to have a harder time making excuses and pointing to other things when he wins in 2020.  

The Juggler

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

This is something that someone really needs to compile; a list of all his contradictory tweets. There's many lists of his lies, but there seems to be so many contradictions between the stuff he tweeted pre-presidency and now during his presidency that I'd be interested to see how many there really are.

Gotta be hundreds of them. 

The funny (or sad depending on how you look at it) thing is the he's always so forceful in his opinions. So it always makes him look like that much more of a fucking hypocritical dope. 

OnWis97

RYME said:

I've tried to make this point 10 different ways it's just not going to sink in here.
The Democrat Party has swung way too far to the left.  It's not about race or sexism or any of those other things. Until you wrap your head around that ,  or until the Democrat Party dials it back a bit, you're just going to continue making the wrong assumptions and generalizations.  Your refusal to acknowledge what I'm trying to tell you is going to help get him elected again.

This is sort of the conventional wisdom of the day.  But I'm not really seeing it...unless you mean, they've swung really far left since the dixiecrats were prominent.  Was Obama really that different?  When did this terrible swing start?  What key issues are that different?

I guess the "justice dems" are partly responsible for the perception...and may Bernie is, too (even though he's only a dem when it's convenient).  But now that Trump is dedicating some effort to screaming "socialist" it's kind of being a self-fulling prophecy.  "OMG, they're sooooooo liberal."

Your second bold is kinda true...but the problem for the Dems is that in order to "acknowledge" that, they have to placate he "racial anxiety" that afflicts the base.  Then they lose a chunk of their voters. Or else, what is it that they have to dial back?  

Ledbetterman10

OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RYME said:

I've tried to make this point 10 different ways it's just not going to sink in here.
The Democrat Party has swung way too far to the left.  It's not about race or sexism or any of those other things. Until you wrap your head around that ,  or until the Democrat Party dials it back a bit, you're just going to continue making the wrong assumptions and generalizations.  Your refusal to acknowledge what I'm trying to tell you is going to help get him elected again.

I've tried to get this point across too, but have since given up. The thought around here (and most left-leaning places) is that President Donald Trump is nobody's fault except for the people that voted for him (and Russia I guess). The won't accept the argument that everybody in this country (Dem or Repub, white or black, gay or straight, rich or poor, natural citizen or illegal immigrant, whatever) has contributed to cultivating a society where someone like Donald Trump can be the president. 

What point that he’s not a racist lol the man has been a racist his whole adult life , yes the country has over 50million racist that love him and believe he was sent by god to part the seas !

The point is that maybe, just maybe, there are other factors to Trump's political success besides racism. And I'm not minimizing the racist aspect of all of this. But if you think over 60 million people just thought "Finally! A real racist! He's got my vote!" then whatever, keep thinking that. 

Well, not that blatantly (also, nobody thinks of themselves as racist)...I cannot prove it, but I don't think Trump happens without Obama...I think the whole "Finally, a president that LOVES America" shtick is absolutely derived from having a black president for eight years.  What's the term..."racial anxiety."

Like most topics, this is much more nuanced than we'll be able to pull off here.  There's the definition of racist...their motivations...the "straight ticket" voter...the whole "I hate career politicians" thing.  To me, race/racism was a factor, but not THE factor.  Of course, I'm going to have a harder time making excuses and pointing to other things when he wins in 2020.  

Well said. I don't necessarily agree with your hypothesis that following a black president was a big factor. But it might've been. I guess it'd be hard to tangibly prove. 

The Juggler

OnWis97 said:

RYME said:

I've tried to make this point 10 different ways it's just not going to sink in here.
The Democrat Party has swung way too far to the left.  It's not about race or sexism or any of those other things. Until you wrap your head around that ,  or until the Democrat Party dials it back a bit, you're just going to continue making the wrong assumptions and generalizations.  Your refusal to acknowledge what I'm trying to tell you is going to help get him elected again.

This is sort of the conventional wisdom of the day.  But I'm not really seeing it...unless you mean, they've swung really far left since the dixiecrats were prominent.  Was Obama really that different?  When did this terrible swing start?  What key issues are that different?

I guess the "justice dems" are partly responsible for the perception...and may Bernie is, too (even though he's only a dem when it's convenient).  But now that Trump is dedicating some effort to screaming "socialist" it's kind of being a self-fulling prophecy.  "OMG, they're sooooooo liberal."

Your second bold is kinda true...but the problem for the Dems is that in order to "acknowledge" that, they have to placate he "racial anxiety" that afflicts the base.  Then they lose a chunk of their voters. Or else, what is it that they have to dial back?  

Bingo. I'm assuming Ryme believes a lot of what Trump says and watches Fox News. 
Bang. Done. All Dems are socialists. Echo Chamber. 

Ledbetterman10

OnWis97 said:

RYME said:

I've tried to make this point 10 different ways it's just not going to sink in here.
The Democrat Party has swung way too far to the left.  It's not about race or sexism or any of those other things. Until you wrap your head around that ,  or until the Democrat Party dials it back a bit, you're just going to continue making the wrong assumptions and generalizations.  Your refusal to acknowledge what I'm trying to tell you is going to help get him elected again.

This is sort of the conventional wisdom of the day.  But I'm not really seeing it...unless you mean, they've swung really far left since the dixiecrats were prominent.  Was Obama really that different?  When did this terrible swing start?  What key issues are that different?

I guess the "justice dems" are partly responsible for the perception...and may Bernie is, too (even though he's only a dem when it's convenient).  But now that Trump is dedicating some effort to screaming "socialist" it's kind of being a self-fulling prophecy.  "OMG, they're sooooooo liberal."

Your second bold is kinda true...but the problem for the Dems is that in order to "acknowledge" that, they have to placate he "racial anxiety" that afflicts the base.  Then they lose a chunk of their voters. Or else, what is it that they have to dial back?  

I think the handling of illegal immigration might be the key issue that's different. Obama deported over a million people. Hillary, Shumer, and the rest have all voted for fencing at the border and other measures to keep out illegal immigrants. But once Trump took that rhetoric to another level, and kind of hijacked illegal immigration as "his issue," there became sections of the democratic party so desperate to oppose him at every turn, that it gave rise to prominent democrats like AOC that argue that crossing the border illegally shouldn't be a crime. So I'm not so sure the entire party has swung too far left. But some of the loudest voices and most visible people (like Bernie as you pointed out, AOC's "squad") might have swung too left for moderate democrats and Trump-hating republicans. 

OnWis97

The Juggler said:

OnWis97 said:

RYME said:

I've tried to make this point 10 different ways it's just not going to sink in here.
The Democrat Party has swung way too far to the left.  It's not about race or sexism or any of those other things. Until you wrap your head around that ,  or until the Democrat Party dials it back a bit, you're just going to continue making the wrong assumptions and generalizations.  Your refusal to acknowledge what I'm trying to tell you is going to help get him elected again.

This is sort of the conventional wisdom of the day.  But I'm not really seeing it...unless you mean, they've swung really far left since the dixiecrats were prominent.  Was Obama really that different?  When did this terrible swing start?  What key issues are that different?

I guess the "justice dems" are partly responsible for the perception...and may Bernie is, too (even though he's only a dem when it's convenient).  But now that Trump is dedicating some effort to screaming "socialist" it's kind of being a self-fulling prophecy.  "OMG, they're sooooooo liberal."

Your second bold is kinda true...but the problem for the Dems is that in order to "acknowledge" that, they have to placate he "racial anxiety" that afflicts the base.  Then they lose a chunk of their voters. Or else, what is it that they have to dial back?  

Bingo. I'm assuming Ryme believes a lot of what Trump says and watches Fox News. 
Bang. Done. All Dems are socialists. Echo Chamber. 

I know there are a few people that are annoyed that the Moving Train is an echo chamber.

But as a liberal, the rest of the internet is my Moving Train.

Halifax2TheMax

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Is the National Review or Storm Net Daily far behind?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/19/europe/gazeta-polska-anti-lgbt-stickers-scli-intl/index.html

Halifax2TheMax

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RYME

Ledbetterman10 said:

OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RYME said:

I've tried to make this point 10 different ways it's just not going to sink in here.
The Democrat Party has swung way too far to the left.  It's not about race or sexism or any of those other things. Until you wrap your head around that ,  or until the Democrat Party dials it back a bit, you're just going to continue making the wrong assumptions and generalizations.  Your refusal to acknowledge what I'm trying to tell you is going to help get him elected again.

I've tried to get this point across too, but have since given up. The thought around here (and most left-leaning places) is that President Donald Trump is nobody's fault except for the people that voted for him (and Russia I guess). The won't accept the argument that everybody in this country (Dem or Repub, white or black, gay or straight, rich or poor, natural citizen or illegal immigrant, whatever) has contributed to cultivating a society where someone like Donald Trump can be the president. 

What point that he’s not a racist lol the man has been a racist his whole adult life , yes the country has over 50million racist that love him and believe he was sent by god to part the seas !

The point is that maybe, just maybe, there are other factors to Trump's political success besides racism. And I'm not minimizing the racist aspect of all of this. But if you think over 60 million people just thought "Finally! A real racist! He's got my vote!" then whatever, keep thinking that. 

Well, not that blatantly (also, nobody thinks of themselves as racist)...I cannot prove it, but I don't think Trump happens without Obama...I think the whole "Finally, a president that LOVES America" shtick is absolutely derived from having a black president for eight years.  What's the term..."racial anxiety."

Like most topics, this is much more nuanced than we'll be able to pull off here.  There's the definition of racist...their motivations...the "straight ticket" voter...the whole "I hate career politicians" thing.  To me, race/racism was a factor, but not THE factor.  Of course, I'm going to have a harder time making excuses and pointing to other things when he wins in 2020.  

Well said. I don't necessarily agree with your hypothesis that following a black president was a big factor. But it might've been. I guess it'd be hard to tangibly prove. 

I don't pretend that racism doesn't exist.  Of course it does.  I don't think it plays nearly as big a role as some people think it does.  I think the left plays the race card way to often, any time it suits them.   I have a number of black friends who would be happy to back me on this.  I have Hispanic friends who feel the same way.
The word ALL can not be applied almost anywhere.  There are misguided goofs in every walk of life, can't help that.
*(Following the first black president) had absolutely nothing to do with my vote.
I don't give a damn what color the president's skin color is.  All I care about is what direction he or she is intends to take the country.           

Thats it!!!

Reasonable people can disagree on which way the country should be run.

vaggar99

RYME said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RYME said:

I've tried to make this point 10 different ways it's just not going to sink in here.
The Democrat Party has swung way too far to the left.  It's not about race or sexism or any of those other things. Until you wrap your head around that ,  or until the Democrat Party dials it back a bit, you're just going to continue making the wrong assumptions and generalizations.  Your refusal to acknowledge what I'm trying to tell you is going to help get him elected again.

I've tried to get this point across too, but have since given up. The thought around here (and most left-leaning places) is that President Donald Trump is nobody's fault except for the people that voted for him (and Russia I guess). The won't accept the argument that everybody in this country (Dem or Repub, white or black, gay or straight, rich or poor, natural citizen or illegal immigrant, whatever) has contributed to cultivating a society where someone like Donald Trump can be the president. 

What point that he’s not a racist lol the man has been a racist his whole adult life , yes the country has over 50million racist that love him and believe he was sent by god to part the seas !

The point is that maybe, just maybe, there are other factors to Trump's political success besides racism. And I'm not minimizing the racist aspect of all of this. But if you think over 60 million people just thought "Finally! A real racist! He's got my vote!" then whatever, keep thinking that. 

Well, not that blatantly (also, nobody thinks of themselves as racist)...I cannot prove it, but I don't think Trump happens without Obama...I think the whole "Finally, a president that LOVES America" shtick is absolutely derived from having a black president for eight years.  What's the term..."racial anxiety."

Like most topics, this is much more nuanced than we'll be able to pull off here.  There's the definition of racist...their motivations...the "straight ticket" voter...the whole "I hate career politicians" thing.  To me, race/racism was a factor, but not THE factor.  Of course, I'm going to have a harder time making excuses and pointing to other things when he wins in 2020.  

Well said. I don't necessarily agree with your hypothesis that following a black president was a big factor. But it might've been. I guess it'd be hard to tangibly prove. 

I don't pretend that racism doesn't exist.  Of course it does.  I don't think it plays nearly as big a role as some people think it does.  I think the left plays the race card way to often, any time it suits them.   I have a number of black friends who would be happy to back me on this.  I have Hispanic friends who feel the same way.
The word ALL can not be applied almost anywhere.  There are misguided goofs in every walk of life, can't help that.
*(Following the first black president) had absolutely nothing to do with my vote.
I don't give a damn what color the president's skin color is.  All I care about is what direction he or she is intends to take the country.           

Thats it!!!

Reasonable people can disagree on which way the country should be run.

your President was elected based strictly on a racist platform.  don't tell me about overplaying the race card.  

Go Beavers

RYME said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RYME said:

I've tried to make this point 10 different ways it's just not going to sink in here.
The Democrat Party has swung way too far to the left.  It's not about race or sexism or any of those other things. Until you wrap your head around that ,  or until the Democrat Party dials it back a bit, you're just going to continue making the wrong assumptions and generalizations.  Your refusal to acknowledge what I'm trying to tell you is going to help get him elected again.

I've tried to get this point across too, but have since given up. The thought around here (and most left-leaning places) is that President Donald Trump is nobody's fault except for the people that voted for him (and Russia I guess). The won't accept the argument that everybody in this country (Dem or Repub, white or black, gay or straight, rich or poor, natural citizen or illegal immigrant, whatever) has contributed to cultivating a society where someone like Donald Trump can be the president. 

What point that he’s not a racist lol the man has been a racist his whole adult life , yes the country has over 50million racist that love him and believe he was sent by god to part the seas !

The point is that maybe, just maybe, there are other factors to Trump's political success besides racism. And I'm not minimizing the racist aspect of all of this. But if you think over 60 million people just thought "Finally! A real racist! He's got my vote!" then whatever, keep thinking that. 

Well, not that blatantly (also, nobody thinks of themselves as racist)...I cannot prove it, but I don't think Trump happens without Obama...I think the whole "Finally, a president that LOVES America" shtick is absolutely derived from having a black president for eight years.  What's the term..."racial anxiety."

Like most topics, this is much more nuanced than we'll be able to pull off here.  There's the definition of racist...their motivations...the "straight ticket" voter...the whole "I hate career politicians" thing.  To me, race/racism was a factor, but not THE factor.  Of course, I'm going to have a harder time making excuses and pointing to other things when he wins in 2020.  

Well said. I don't necessarily agree with your hypothesis that following a black president was a big factor. But it might've been. I guess it'd be hard to tangibly prove. 

I don't pretend that racism doesn't exist.  Of course it does.  I don't think it plays nearly as big a role as some people think it does.  I think the left plays the race card way to often, any time it suits them.   I have a number of black friends who would be happy to back me on this.  I have Hispanic friends who feel the same way.
The word ALL can not be applied almost anywhere.  There are misguided goofs in every walk of life, can't help that.
*(Following the first black president) had absolutely nothing to do with my vote.
I don't give a damn what color the president's skin color is.  All I care about is what direction he or she is intends to take the country.           

Thats it!!!

Reasonable people can disagree on which way the country should be run.

And when the trump voter who says they aren’t bigoted says they voted for trump because when Obama was president, things went “too far”, what does that mean?