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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    edited July 2017
    ^^^
    Putin won what? 
    Do you hear yourself as an American saying this in cyberspace?  
    Seriously, enough with the Russia caused President Trump stuff. Prove it or move it.




    We don't have to prove it, the many investigations into the matter will either prove it or move it.  And worst yet you are ignoring the single worst thing Trump has done as president.  Even if there is no collusion....he is allowing his fear of collusion to result in ZERO action against a foreign nation that all intelligence communities agree specifically targeted our election process.  His inaction speaks volumes.  And shows he puts himself over country.  I want him gone for failing to protect the US from foreign enemies.  It's nonsense.  

    Yep. I would almost be satisfied if Trump would start behaving as if Russia is an adversary who, without a shred of doubt, launched an attack on our democracy. 
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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    Not really a bad thing to say to the citizens as President.  
    Latest tweet from President Trump...

    I am asking all citizens to believe in yourselves, believe in your future, and believe, once more, in America. #AmericaFirst


    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
    Samuel Johnson
    April 7, 1775.

    Bob Dylan made it better in 1983 when he added this line

    Steal a little and they throw you in jail
    Steal a lot and they make you king

    F this guy.  He's the worst.

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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    Pardon me while I burst into flames.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,971
    JC29856 said:
    has a full list of Mueller investigators been released?
    some claim that Clinton Foundation attorneys are part of Mueller team. other claims are that some have made substantial donations to the "Clintons".
    If accurate, it creates a snowstorm of conflict of interest claims.
    can't get any uglier... a nation divided.
    Yes. Google. If you think a $2500 campaign contribution is a conflict of interest, you haven't been paying attention.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,666
    JC29856 said:
    has a full list of Mueller investigators been released?
    some claim that Clinton Foundation attorneys are part of Mueller team. other claims are that some have made substantial donations to the "Clintons".
    If accurate, it creates a snowstorm of conflict of interest claims.
    can't get any uglier... a nation divided.
    "some claim".. how can some claim if we don't know the name of the investigators.  Second, are you saying that anyone who donated to a Democratic candidate in their life has a conflict of interest and should be terminated from the team?  That would be an unusual and overly broad declaration.  I mean, Donald Trump spent years donating to Democrats.  Kushner, Ivanka and even Gary Cohn are Democrats.  
    To imply that someone can't do their job, the job that they've done for years as investigators, prosecutors, and litigators because they donated to a Democrat, is absurd and just smoke screen that you and the rest of the Trump acolytes will fan to try to discredit the investigation.  
  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    Not really a bad thing to say to the citizens as President.  
    Latest tweet from President Trump...

    I am asking all citizens to believe in yourselves, believe in your future, and believe, once more, in America. #AmericaFirst


    The problem is NOT with America.  America's just fine.

    What we're having a hard time beLIEving in is a President who for the past 6 months has done nothing but LIE ALL THE TIME.
    When you compound that with one bad idea after another it makes things super problematic.  

    Articles of impeachment should have been filed on day 1, but the R's in Congress are spineless.
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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    He's remarkably unfit on every level.  He may be suffering from dementia.  
    It's time to take grandpa's keys away.  
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,436
    Tiki said:
    He's remarkably unfit on every level.  He may be suffering from dementia.  
    It's time to take grandpa's keys away.  
    A severe case of narcissism is not dementia.....but ya never know. ;)
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    JC29856 said:
    has a full list of Mueller investigators been released?
    some claim that Clinton Foundation attorneys are part of Mueller team. other claims are that some have made substantial donations to the "Clintons".
    If accurate, it creates a snowstorm of conflict of interest claims.
    can't get any uglier... a nation divided.
    Hahaha right on cue with the Russian propaganda!

    I want the full list, I want to see their emails.  I want to know what color handkerchiefs they use and what kind of pizza and pasta they eat.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    JC29856 said:
    has a full list of Mueller investigators been released?
    some claim that Clinton Foundation attorneys are part of Mueller team. other claims are that some have made substantial donations to the "Clintons".
    If accurate, it creates a snowstorm of conflict of interest claims.
    can't get any uglier... a nation divided.
    Parroting the Trump team attack eh. What a bore.

    At least come up with something original.
  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    Tiki said:
    He's remarkably unfit on every level.  He may be suffering from dementia.  
    It's time to take grandpa's keys away.  
    A severe case of narcissism is not dementia.....but ya never know. ;)
    Listen to and then find a transcript and read what he says.  He's insane.
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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,723
    my favorite one is how Mueller had a disagreement about fees with a trump golf course and ended his membership years ago, therefore he has a conflict of interest
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,971
    rgambs said:
    JC29856 said:
    has a full list of Mueller investigators been released?
    some claim that Clinton Foundation attorneys are part of Mueller team. other claims are that some have made substantial donations to the "Clintons".
    If accurate, it creates a snowstorm of conflict of interest claims.
    can't get any uglier... a nation divided.
    Hahaha right on cue with the Russian propaganda!

    I want the full list, I want to see their emails.  I want to know what color handkerchiefs they use and what kind of pizza and pasta they eat.
    It's the 3D way. 
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,520
    MayDay10 said:
    my favorite one is how Mueller had a disagreement about fees with a trump golf course and ended his membership years ago, therefore he has a conflict of interest
    and the hispanic judge had a conflict of interest because of Trump's border wall idea. they really do reach for these conflicts of interest do't they? well except when it comes to their businesses.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,723
    Tiki said:
    Tiki said:
    He's remarkably unfit on every level.  He may be suffering from dementia.  
    It's time to take grandpa's keys away.  
    A severe case of narcissism is not dementia.....but ya never know. ;)
    Listen to and then find a transcript and read what he says.  He's insane.
    I agree that he may have early signs of dimentia and it is something I said during the campaign.  It seems that the office may have hastened things along a bit.  Some of the behavior and interviews are odd and meandering.  His language and communication has sharply declined.  You see video of him in various settings sometimes and it doesnt seem like he is all there at times.  

    his diet probably doesnt help keep him sharp either



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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,666
    MayDay10 said:
    my favorite one is how Mueller had a disagreement about fees with a trump golf course and ended his membership years ago, therefore he has a conflict of interest
    Hadn't heard that one.  Here are a couple of interesting fact:
    1. There are very specific situations which would allow for the termination of Mueller.  They are generally around misconduct or dereliction of duty.  I don't believe membership fees to a country club is on the list, but I can't be sure.
    2. Trump can't fire Mueller.  Period.  He can only be terminated by his boss in the DOJ.  That's Rosenstein.  Trump can try to strong arm Rosensteing, but he already said he would resign.  After that it goes to someone lower than Rosenstein.  People quitting the DOJ for refusing to terminate Mueller would be one helluva fire storm.  In other words... It's definitely going to happen!!
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,888
    JC29856 said:
    has a full list of Mueller investigators been released?
    some claim that Clinton Foundation attorneys are part of Mueller team. other claims are that some have made substantial donations to the "Clintons".
    If accurate, it creates a snowstorm of conflict of interest claims.
    can't get any uglier... a nation divided.


    Pushing Don's talking points, eh? Shocking.


    You know Mueller is a registered republican and respected by republicans and democrats alike, right? But, sure, go ahead and muddy this up so Trump's base doesn't believe anything he comes up with...and you wonder why we are so divided.....ugh

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,888
    So now tRump's attorneys are starting to jump ship due to tRump directly them to start going after Mueller.  Conway was on TV this morning saying the investigation has stalled and that is what led Mueller to go into tRump's businesses.  

    It's really fucking amazing what is happening.

    Stalled....haha.....this whole thing leads directly to his business because of he has done plenty of business with......wait for it....wait for it....RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited July 2017
    #1 - JC falls for it every single time... it's fucking hilarious... pepperoni or mushroom?

    #2 - i have no idea why some of you guys debate with a certain unnamed friendly but clueless trump fanboy troll? It's not worth the keystrokes lol
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    my favorite one is how Mueller had a disagreement about fees with a trump golf course and ended his membership years ago, therefore he has a conflict of interest
    Hadn't heard that one.  Here are a couple of interesting fact:
    1. There are very specific situations which would allow for the termination of Mueller.  They are generally around misconduct or dereliction of duty.  I don't believe membership fees to a country club is on the list, but I can't be sure.
    2. Trump can't fire Mueller.  Period.  He can only be terminated by his boss in the DOJ.  That's Rosenstein.  Trump can try to strong arm Rosensteing, but he already said he would resign.  After that it goes to someone lower than Rosenstein.  People quitting the DOJ for refusing to terminate Mueller would be one helluva fire storm.  In other words... It's definitely going to happen!!
    you sure trump can't fire Mueller?
    thanks to his predecessors as executive he can pretty much do anything.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Spicer is out. 
    I am very surprised he lasted this long.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    my favorite one is how Mueller had a disagreement about fees with a trump golf course and ended his membership years ago, therefore he has a conflict of interest
    Hadn't heard that one.  Here are a couple of interesting fact:
    1. There are very specific situations which would allow for the termination of Mueller.  They are generally around misconduct or dereliction of duty.  I don't believe membership fees to a country club is on the list, but I can't be sure.
    2. Trump can't fire Mueller.  Period.  He can only be terminated by his boss in the DOJ.  That's Rosenstein.  Trump can try to strong arm Rosensteing, but he already said he would resign.  After that it goes to someone lower than Rosenstein.  People quitting the DOJ for refusing to terminate Mueller would be one helluva fire storm.  In other words... It's definitely going to happen!!
    you sure trump can't fire Mueller?
    thanks to his predecessors as executive he can pretty much do anything.
    The only way the President can get rid of Mueller is by appointing a new AG not recused from Russia investigation who would then take over from Rosenstein on the investigation. If that happens, both parties have said that Mueller would be hired to oversee an investigation from Congress. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,177
    Lots of resignations....can Priebus be far behind?

    The walls are collapsing.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited July 2017
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    my favorite one is how Mueller had a disagreement about fees with a trump golf course and ended his membership years ago, therefore he has a conflict of interest
    Hadn't heard that one.  Here are a couple of interesting fact:
    1. There are very specific situations which would allow for the termination of Mueller.  They are generally around misconduct or dereliction of duty.  I don't believe membership fees to a country club is on the list, but I can't be sure.
    2. Trump can't fire Mueller.  Period.  He can only be terminated by his boss in the DOJ.  That's Rosenstein.  Trump can try to strong arm Rosensteing, but he already said he would resign.  After that it goes to someone lower than Rosenstein.  People quitting the DOJ for refusing to terminate Mueller would be one helluva fire storm.  In other words... It's definitely going to happen!!
    you sure trump can't fire Mueller?
    thanks to his predecessors as executive he can pretty much do anything.
    The only way the President can get rid of Mueller is by appointing a new AG not recused from Russia investigation who would then take over from Rosenstein on the investigation. If that happens, both parties have said that Mueller would be hired to oversee an investigation from Congress. 
    interesting...trump fires sessions and rosenstein. that is some real shit fanning there!

    I just perused a politico piece on the topic.
    Post edited by JC29856 on
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,666
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    my favorite one is how Mueller had a disagreement about fees with a trump golf course and ended his membership years ago, therefore he has a conflict of interest
    Hadn't heard that one.  Here are a couple of interesting fact:
    1. There are very specific situations which would allow for the termination of Mueller.  They are generally around misconduct or dereliction of duty.  I don't believe membership fees to a country club is on the list, but I can't be sure.
    2. Trump can't fire Mueller.  Period.  He can only be terminated by his boss in the DOJ.  That's Rosenstein.  Trump can try to strong arm Rosensteing, but he already said he would resign.  After that it goes to someone lower than Rosenstein.  People quitting the DOJ for refusing to terminate Mueller would be one helluva fire storm.  In other words... It's definitely going to happen!!
    you sure trump can't fire Mueller?
    thanks to his predecessors as executive he can pretty much do anything.
    1. He could order his dismissal through the DOJ as I mentioned above, but I would expect Rosenstein and co. to balk.  I think the more likely scenario is he forces Sessions out, brings in someone not connected, and then pushes dismissal through the new AG.
    2. He could fire him, but first he would have to repeal the special counsel regulations that are in place today.  Certainly that would be politically damaging.
    3. The Senate would probably bring Mueller in immediately.  However, here's the rub and why that wouldn't be good for the country.  Under either a House or Senate investigation, criminal charges could not be levied against Trump or his minions.  Only the DOJ has criminal prosecutor powers.  What could happen is that the House could raise impeachment charges against Trump and then of course the Senate owns the trial.
    If it looks bad enough, criminally, for Trump's family (not him personally), he might choose to go that route and take his chances with impeachment.  That would certainly be interesting.  
  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,723
    Hes a good businessman though.  Deals.  Drain the swamp.  Lets put him in charge of our childrens' futures

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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    my favorite one is how Mueller had a disagreement about fees with a trump golf course and ended his membership years ago, therefore he has a conflict of interest
    Hadn't heard that one.  Here are a couple of interesting fact:
    1. There are very specific situations which would allow for the termination of Mueller.  They are generally around misconduct or dereliction of duty.  I don't believe membership fees to a country club is on the list, but I can't be sure.
    2. Trump can't fire Mueller.  Period.  He can only be terminated by his boss in the DOJ.  That's Rosenstein.  Trump can try to strong arm Rosensteing, but he already said he would resign.  After that it goes to someone lower than Rosenstein.  People quitting the DOJ for refusing to terminate Mueller would be one helluva fire storm.  In other words... It's definitely going to happen!!
    you sure trump can't fire Mueller?
    thanks to his predecessors as executive he can pretty much do anything.
    1. He could order his dismissal through the DOJ as I mentioned above, but I would expect Rosenstein and co. to balk.  I think the more likely scenario is he forces Sessions out, brings in someone not connected, and then pushes dismissal through the new AG.
    2. He could fire him, but first he would have to repeal the special counsel regulations that are in place today.  Certainly that would be politically damaging.
    3. The Senate would probably bring Mueller in immediately.  However, here's the rub and why that wouldn't be good for the country.  Under either a House or Senate investigation, criminal charges could not be levied against Trump or his minions.  Only the DOJ has criminal prosecutor powers.  What could happen is that the House could raise impeachment charges against Trump and then of course the Senate owns the trial.
    If it looks bad enough, criminally, for Trump's family (not him personally), he might choose to go that route and take his chances with impeachment.  That would certainly be interesting.  
    I think he should shut his mouth, let the investigation play out and let his attorneys discredit it. if he has nothing to hide then no worries. if he or his family has done something then let them hang.
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