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  • cutzcutz Posts: 10,070
    So Kellyanne Conway tweeted a nude photo of her daughter last night.  16 year old daughter.

    Unreal.
    If she did, she should be arrested?
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 11,553
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,716
    So Kellyanne Conway tweeted a nude photo of her daughter last night.  16 year old daughter.

    Unreal.
    holy shit. that family is fucked up. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,435
    So the cannibal, child molesting, traffickers were in the WH all along??????
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,430
    So Kellyanne Conway tweeted a nude photo of her daughter last night.  16 year old daughter.

    Unreal.
    Only the best people. 


  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,430
    So the cannibal, child molesting, traffickers were in the WH all along??????
    Every accusation they made against the left should be interpreted as projection. 

  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 12,204
    So Kellyanne Conway tweeted a nude photo of her daughter last night.  16 year old daughter.

    Unreal.
    holy shit. that family is fucked up. 
    That's an understatement.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 20,892
    Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 11,553
    I love George....but I have always wondered how he could stand Kellyanne's connection to tRump regardless of $$.  But I also see Claudia on tiktok all the time and she posts some crazy fights between her and Kellyanne.  
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,716
    mrussel1 said:
    Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 
    constitutionality should be decided by legal experts, not elected officials. just my opinion. 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,430
    mrussel1 said:
    Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

    Wouldn't they be setting a worse precedent by not trying him?

    I say get every Republican on record as being for or against our democracy. 

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,716
    mrussel1 said:
    Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

    Wouldn't they be setting a worse precedent by not trying him?

    I say get every Republican on record as being for or against our democracy. 
    you know, I keep seeing this said by a few people. having republicans on record doing or saying shitty things these days only seems to help them. 
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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 4,468
    I'm interested in seeing how many vote for acquittal after watching all the video. How could one explain that they think it's all ok?
    I'm seeing though that it's not easy for them to stop dancing with the devil.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 11,553
    Kat said:
    I'm interested in seeing how many vote for acquittal after watching all the video. How could one explain that they think it's all ok?
    I'm seeing though that it's not easy for them to stop dancing with the devil.
    Plus...more than a few of the people arrested said they did it because tRump "told them to be there" so that seems bad.

    But he'll skate anyway I'm sure.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,430
    mrussel1 said:
    Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

    Wouldn't they be setting a worse precedent by not trying him?

    I say get every Republican on record as being for or against our democracy. 
    you know, I keep seeing this said by a few people. having republicans on record doing or saying shitty things these days only seems to help them. 
    & not trying to hold trump & the others behind what happened on 1/6 accountable only helps them too.

    Democrats are damned if they do & damned if they don't. So fuck it? Don't even try? 

    Fuck that. Try the piece of shit. If Republicans vote not to convict that's on them. Don't let the guy of the hook because his cronies are corrupt too. 

    I'm quite certain the Founding Fathers didn't envision an executive branch free from oversight or accountability. 

  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 11,553
    Remember the Thomas Nine!! (10/02/2018)

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
    2020: Oakland1, Oakland2
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,435
    House leader Kevin McCarthy publicly stated that ALL Americans are responsible for the assault on the Capitol. All Americans. Let that sink in. Now, more than one third of repubs in the senate vote against an impeachment trial after the past four years and knowing what we know? There's no saving the republic. They've quadrupled dog dared down and won't stop until they spark a civil war or create a fascist state. After all, they have god on their side and believe in freedumb. Good luck, 'Murica. You're going to need it.

    Kevin McCarthy shifts responsibility for the Capitol riot - The Washington Post

    As a pro-Trump mob stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) called in to ABC News from a secure location.

    “As a nation, I know we sit back and we’re appalled by what we’re seeing,” McCarthy said. “But I want everybody to take a deep breath and understand: We all have some responsibility here.”

    McCarthy was among the Republicans who had spread false claims of widespread presidential election fraud for weeks, which motivated the mob on Jan. 6.

    You can watch what McCarthy has previously said about who bears responsibility for the Capitol siege in the video above.

    While states were counting votes on Nov. 4, McCarthy told reporters that he would accept the election results once they the states certified them.

    Two days later, while states were still counting, McCarthy falsely told Fox News Channel that Donald Trump had won the election and that his supporters should “not be silent about” Joe Biden’s victory. “We cannot allow this to happen before our very eyes,” he said.

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 20,892
    mrussel1 said:
    Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 
    constitutionality should be decided by legal experts, not elected officials. just my opinion. 
    Well each branch of gov't is equal, but what would happen is if he was actually convicted, it would probably be appealed to the SCOTUS.  Now they might say that the House and Senate determined it to be constitutional by the act of having the trial.  Or they could take the case.  It would be fascinating honestly. 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,430
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 
    constitutionality should be decided by legal experts, not elected officials. just my opinion. 
    Well each branch of gov't is equal, but what would happen is if he was actually convicted, it would probably be appealed to the SCOTUS.  Now they might say that the House and Senate determined it to be constitutional by the act of having the trial.  Or they could take the case.  It would be fascinating honestly. 
    I don't disagree that with the GOP as it's currently constituted, Trump may get off. & sure, if he's convicted he may appeal to the supreme court if that's an option for him. It may all be for naught, but if they don't try to hold trump accountable for this, the precedent will be there for years to come. 

    Granted, if he gets off, the precedent would be there as well, but at least it wouldn't be for the lack of trying. 

    I genuinely think there's more to be lost for the country by not impeaching than there is by impeaching. 

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 20,892
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 
    constitutionality should be decided by legal experts, not elected officials. just my opinion. 
    Well each branch of gov't is equal, but what would happen is if he was actually convicted, it would probably be appealed to the SCOTUS.  Now they might say that the House and Senate determined it to be constitutional by the act of having the trial.  Or they could take the case.  It would be fascinating honestly. 
    I don't disagree that with the GOP as it's currently constituted, Trump may get off. & sure, if he's convicted he may appeal to the supreme court if that's an option for him. It may all be for naught, but if they don't try to hold trump accountable for this, the precedent will be there for years to come. 

    Granted, if he gets off, the precedent would be there as well, but at least it wouldn't be for the lack of trying. 

    I genuinely think there's more to be lost for the country by not impeaching than there is by impeaching. 
    I think it's a tough call.  High stakes decision. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,671
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 
    constitutionality should be decided by legal experts, not elected officials. just my opinion. 
    Well each branch of gov't is equal, but what would happen is if he was actually convicted, it would probably be appealed to the SCOTUS.  Now they might say that the House and Senate determined it to be constitutional by the act of having the trial.  Or they could take the case.  It would be fascinating honestly. 

    not sure its appealable though. they could file suit about its constitutionality but it doesnt explicitly prohibit  impeachment after out of office and theres precedent of that very thing.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,716
    mrussel1 said:
    Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

    Wouldn't they be setting a worse precedent by not trying him?

    I say get every Republican on record as being for or against our democracy. 
    you know, I keep seeing this said by a few people. having republicans on record doing or saying shitty things these days only seems to help them. 
    & not trying to hold trump & the others behind what happened on 1/6 accountable only helps them too.

    Democrats are damned if they do & damned if they don't. So fuck it? Don't even try? 

    Fuck that. Try the piece of shit. If Republicans vote not to convict that's on them. Don't let the guy of the hook because his cronies are corrupt too. 

    I'm quite certain the Founding Fathers didn't envision an executive branch free from oversight or accountability. 
    I am 100% behind the trial moving forward. All I'm saying is to that one point, that making sure their vote is on record will literally do zero to hurt their chances next election. and in many cases, will likely help their chances. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,716
    i mean, sure, history won't look on them kindly, but how many of these people actually give a fuck about their legacy? All they care about is power right now. if they cared about their legacy, they wouldn't have backed trump from the beginning. 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,430
    edited January 26
    mrussel1 said:
    Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

    Wouldn't they be setting a worse precedent by not trying him?

    I say get every Republican on record as being for or against our democracy. 
    you know, I keep seeing this said by a few people. having republicans on record doing or saying shitty things these days only seems to help them. 
    & not trying to hold trump & the others behind what happened on 1/6 accountable only helps them too.

    Democrats are damned if they do & damned if they don't. So fuck it? Don't even try? 

    Fuck that. Try the piece of shit. If Republicans vote not to convict that's on them. Don't let the guy of the hook because his cronies are corrupt too. 

    I'm quite certain the Founding Fathers didn't envision an executive branch free from oversight or accountability. 
    I am 100% behind the trial moving forward. All I'm saying is to that one point, that making sure their vote is on record will literally do zero to hurt their chances next election. and in many cases, will likely help their chances. 
    If impeachment stood that much of a chance to help the GOP, I highly doubt they would be so firmly against it.

    They don't want to vote on record (again) for or against him. They want this to go away. 

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 20,892
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 
    constitutionality should be decided by legal experts, not elected officials. just my opinion. 
    Well each branch of gov't is equal, but what would happen is if he was actually convicted, it would probably be appealed to the SCOTUS.  Now they might say that the House and Senate determined it to be constitutional by the act of having the trial.  Or they could take the case.  It would be fascinating honestly. 

    not sure its appealable though. they could file suit about its constitutionality but it doesnt explicitly prohibit  impeachment after out of office and theres precedent of that very thing.
    I thought that only one official was impeached out of office but was not actually convicted.  The fact that it bars one from future federal office is a good argument why it is still constitutional though.  I'm not sure it's cut and dry but there's definitely good arguments supporting it, and the Constitution does not state either way.  Further, if you read some parts of the Federalist, it seems to me that the framers actually expected impeachment to be used far more often than it has been used.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,716
    edited January 26
    mrussel1 said:
    Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

    Wouldn't they be setting a worse precedent by not trying him?

    I say get every Republican on record as being for or against our democracy. 
    you know, I keep seeing this said by a few people. having republicans on record doing or saying shitty things these days only seems to help them. 
    & not trying to hold trump & the others behind what happened on 1/6 accountable only helps them too.

    Democrats are damned if they do & damned if they don't. So fuck it? Don't even try? 

    Fuck that. Try the piece of shit. If Republicans vote not to convict that's on them. Don't let the guy of the hook because his cronies are corrupt too. 

    I'm quite certain the Founding Fathers didn't envision an executive branch free from oversight or accountability. 
    I am 100% behind the trial moving forward. All I'm saying is to that one point, that making sure their vote is on record will literally do zero to hurt their chances next election. and in many cases, will likely help their chances. 
    If impeachment stood that much of a chance to help the GOP, I highly doubt they would be so firmly against it.

    They don't want to vote on record (again) for or against him. They want this to go away. 
    they are firmly against it because many of them have seen what trump has done to elevate their own brand. It positions them better in the future if he's allowed to continue down the path of the possibility of him holding office again. it doesn't matter if he doesn't run in 4 years. it matters if he's able to, to keep the movement alive. 
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,430
    mrussel1 said:
    Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

    Wouldn't they be setting a worse precedent by not trying him?

    I say get every Republican on record as being for or against our democracy. 
    you know, I keep seeing this said by a few people. having republicans on record doing or saying shitty things these days only seems to help them. 
    & not trying to hold trump & the others behind what happened on 1/6 accountable only helps them too.

    Democrats are damned if they do & damned if they don't. So fuck it? Don't even try? 

    Fuck that. Try the piece of shit. If Republicans vote not to convict that's on them. Don't let the guy of the hook because his cronies are corrupt too. 

    I'm quite certain the Founding Fathers didn't envision an executive branch free from oversight or accountability. 
    I am 100% behind the trial moving forward. All I'm saying is to that one point, that making sure their vote is on record will literally do zero to hurt their chances next election. and in many cases, will likely help their chances. 
    If impeachment stood that much of a chance to help the GOP, I highly doubt they would be so firmly against it.

    They don't want to vote on record (again) for or against him. They want this to go away. 
    they are firmly against it because many of them have seen what trump has done to elevate their own brand. It positions them better in the future if he's allowed to continue down the path of the possibility of him holding office again. it doesn't matter if he doesn't run in 4 years. it matters if he's able to, to keep the movement alive. 
    So make them vote for trump, or vote to uphold their oath of office. They can't vote for both. Put them on the spot and make them say it. 

    If they vote to acquit & the dregs of our society appreciate them more for that, then so be it.

    It's a risk worth taking. 

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,716
    mrussel1 said:
    Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

    Wouldn't they be setting a worse precedent by not trying him?

    I say get every Republican on record as being for or against our democracy. 
    you know, I keep seeing this said by a few people. having republicans on record doing or saying shitty things these days only seems to help them. 
    & not trying to hold trump & the others behind what happened on 1/6 accountable only helps them too.

    Democrats are damned if they do & damned if they don't. So fuck it? Don't even try? 

    Fuck that. Try the piece of shit. If Republicans vote not to convict that's on them. Don't let the guy of the hook because his cronies are corrupt too. 

    I'm quite certain the Founding Fathers didn't envision an executive branch free from oversight or accountability. 
    I am 100% behind the trial moving forward. All I'm saying is to that one point, that making sure their vote is on record will literally do zero to hurt their chances next election. and in many cases, will likely help their chances. 
    If impeachment stood that much of a chance to help the GOP, I highly doubt they would be so firmly against it.

    They don't want to vote on record (again) for or against him. They want this to go away. 
    they are firmly against it because many of them have seen what trump has done to elevate their own brand. It positions them better in the future if he's allowed to continue down the path of the possibility of him holding office again. it doesn't matter if he doesn't run in 4 years. it matters if he's able to, to keep the movement alive. 
    So make them vote for trump, or vote to uphold their oath of office. They can't vote for both. Put them on the spot and make them say it. 

    If they vote to acquit & the dregs of our society appreciate them more for that, then so be it.

    It's a risk worth taking. 
    yeah, I know, lol, I've already agreed with you that it is. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,638
    mrussel1 said:
    Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

    Wouldn't they be setting a worse precedent by not trying him?

    I say get every Republican on record as being for or against our democracy. 
    you know, I keep seeing this said by a few people. having republicans on record doing or saying shitty things these days only seems to help them. 
    & not trying to hold trump & the others behind what happened on 1/6 accountable only helps them too.

    Democrats are damned if they do & damned if they don't. So fuck it? Don't even try? 

    Fuck that. Try the piece of shit. If Republicans vote not to convict that's on them. Don't let the guy of the hook because his cronies are corrupt too. 

    I'm quite certain the Founding Fathers didn't envision an executive branch free from oversight or accountability. 
    I am 100% behind the trial moving forward. All I'm saying is to that one point, that making sure their vote is on record will literally do zero to hurt their chances next election. and in many cases, will likely help their chances. 
    If impeachment stood that much of a chance to help the GOP, I highly doubt they would be so firmly against it.

    They don't want to vote on record (again) for or against him. They want this to go away. 
    they are firmly against it because many of them have seen what trump has done to elevate their own brand. It positions them better in the future if he's allowed to continue down the path of the possibility of him holding office again. it doesn't matter if he doesn't run in 4 years. it matters if he's able to, to keep the movement alive. 
    So make them vote for trump, or vote to uphold their oath of office. They can't vote for both. Put them on the spot and make them say it. 

    If they vote to acquit & the dregs of our society appreciate them more for that, then so be it.

    It's a risk worth taking. 
    On one hand they've already had a lot of chances to either side with Trump or side with good/sane/America/democracy. One more time picking Trump probably won't hurt them.

    On the other hand, he'll probably be acquitted on party lines. And I think most people will understand it was a partisan vote. So I don't think it will really validate him.  So I see it as low risk with a 95% chance at no reward and a 5% chance at huge reward.  Go for it. A president tried to incite takeover of the government. In the long run, it probably doesn't make a huge difference, but don't be the party that just shrugs its shoulders. Be the party that says this cannot just be swept away.
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  • JeBurkhardtJeBurkhardt Posts: 735
    mrussel1 said:
    Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

    Wouldn't they be setting a worse precedent by not trying him?

    I say get every Republican on record as being for or against our democracy. 
    you know, I keep seeing this said by a few people. having republicans on record doing or saying shitty things these days only seems to help them. 
    & not trying to hold trump & the others behind what happened on 1/6 accountable only helps them too.

    Democrats are damned if they do & damned if they don't. So fuck it? Don't even try? 

    Fuck that. Try the piece of shit. If Republicans vote not to convict that's on them. Don't let the guy of the hook because his cronies are corrupt too. 

    I'm quite certain the Founding Fathers didn't envision an executive branch free from oversight or accountability. 
    I am 100% behind the trial moving forward. All I'm saying is to that one point, that making sure their vote is on record will literally do zero to hurt their chances next election. and in many cases, will likely help their chances. 
    If impeachment stood that much of a chance to help the GOP, I highly doubt they would be so firmly against it.

    They don't want to vote on record (again) for or against him. They want this to go away. 
    they are firmly against it because many of them have seen what trump has done to elevate their own brand. It positions them better in the future if he's allowed to continue down the path of the possibility of him holding office again. it doesn't matter if he doesn't run in 4 years. it matters if he's able to, to keep the movement alive. 
    Every Republican in Congress right now knows not siding with Trump will cause the howling mob to turn on them. Some have already seen it happen to them. Ask Mike Pence how he enjoyed the response when he refused to illegally interfere in the election certification. They are more concerned with that than doing what is right. My guess is that the more mainstream Republicans think they can control the Trump lunatics, but we have seen how that worked out. 
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