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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 37,318
    Team Trump Treason is going to get fewer votes from 65+, women, minorities, veterans, LGBQT and active duty military. He might gain in the incel and angry white males 24-44 demographics. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 2,564
    Team Trump Treason is going to get fewer votes from 65+, women, minorities, veterans, LGBQT and active duty military. He might gain in the incel and angry white males 24-44 demographics. 

    Is he?  Without looking at the numbers, I don't think he really can get fewer from minorities and LGBQT; he must have been really poor with them last time.  Veterans and military?  His disrespect of them won't matter; that was evident in 2016.  I don't know that I see that changing a lot. The three in play are:
    • 65+.  This might be the biggest wild card.  Old people tend to vote GOP and the GOP tends to be Trump First.  But I know his numbers have been suffer in that group and he doesn't seem to be interested in keeping them alive.
    • Women. Like with the military, it's hard to imagine anyone that was OK with his misogyny in 2016 has somehow been moved by something since. I really don't see him not winning the white woman vote again.
    • Incel/Angry white.  They all voted for him so the percentage doesn't budge.  The question is whether the group's now bigger since Trump has given sad/angry people something to latch on to...so that could be a few for him.
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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 9,211
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    His silence on the racial problems that are happening now and will happen all summer?  Problematic.  When he starts talking it's going to get worse.

    I see Trumpito getting stomped like in American History X.  He's a douchebag.
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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 4,201
    Who is #1 at getting the biggest shellacking in Presidential election history? Maybe soul-eater can be #1 and make a new record at that? He's definitely not well-loved.

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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,595
    edited May 27
    Kat said:
    Who is #1 at getting the biggest shellacking in Presidential election history? Maybe soul-eater can be #1 and make a new record at that? He's definitely not well-loved.

    Probably George McGovern in ‘72. No way Trump loses that badly. It’d be nearly impossible. 

    Edit: Actually it was Montale in ''84 who got beat by Reagan even worse than McGovern did by Nixon. 

    Even if Trump were to get killed, he'll carry a few red states for sure. Montdale and McGovern won only one state each. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 17,816
    Kat said:
    Who is #1 at getting the biggest shellacking in Presidential election history? Maybe soul-eater can be #1 and make a new record at that? He's definitely not well-loved.

    Probably George McGovern in ‘72. No way Trump loses that badly. It’d be nearly impossible. 

    Edit: Actually it was Montale in ''84 who got beat by Reagan even worse than McGovern did by Nixon. 

    Even if Trump were to get killed, he'll carry a few red states for sure. Montdale and McGovern won only one state each. 
    It's a different time and place.  You won't see those types of shellackings any time soon.  We're too partisan and too few states are in play.  
  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 4,201
    And, just in case anyone needs to know about the word, shellacking...  :lol:

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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 4,201
    All of a sudden soul-eater is not happy with Twitter.



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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 37,318
    edited May 27
    OnWis97 said:
    Team Trump Treason is going to get fewer votes from 65+, women, minorities, veterans, LGBQT and active duty military. He might gain in the incel and angry white males 24-44 demographics. 

    Is he?  Without looking at the numbers, I don't think he really can get fewer from minorities and LGBQT; he must have been really poor with them last time.  Veterans and military?  His disrespect of them won't matter; that was evident in 2016.  I don't know that I see that changing a lot. The three in play are:
    • 65+.  This might be the biggest wild card.  Old people tend to vote GOP and the GOP tends to be Trump First.  But I know his numbers have been suffer in that group and he doesn't seem to be interested in keeping them alive.
    • Women. Like with the military, it's hard to imagine anyone that was OK with his misogyny in 2016 has somehow been moved by something since. I really don't see him not winning the white woman vote again.
    • Incel/Angry white.  They all voted for him so the percentage doesn't budge.  The question is whether the group's now bigger since Trump has given sad/angry people something to latch on to...so that could be a few for him.
    Hillary got 6% less of black vote than Obama did. Trump's not getting those folks. Biden always does well with minorities. 

    Trump is currently bleeding support from the 65+ crowd right now. He can thank his Covid response to this. 

    Women support Biden over Trump and, along with suburban voters were the reason the GOP lost the house two years ago. Biden is winning this demographic easily. 

    Angry white males---This is the only group Trump has sustained and might build upon.


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,485
    538 jumped from a 10.5 to an 11.1 gap in Team Trump Treason’s approval/disapproval in the past 3 days. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 37,318
    538 jumped from a 10.5 to an 11.1 gap in Team Trump Treason’s approval/disapproval in the past 3 days. 
    Wow Rasmussen is at 42% right now. Dude's flailing...
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,485
    538 jumped from a 10.5 to an 11.1 gap in Team Trump Treason’s approval/disapproval in the past 3 days. 
    Wow Rasmussen is at 42% right now. Dude's flailing...
    But word on the street is that Obama is going to be indicted. Any. Day. Now.
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  • cutzcutz Posts: 9,254
    So, it's GREAT news that %20 lost their Jobs?


  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 10,241
    cutz said:
    So, it's GREAT news that %20 lost their Jobs?


    well they are the enemy of the people...
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    I enjoy the Atlantic
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    32%

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,485
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 6,973
    mrussel1 said:
    I enjoy the Atlantic
    Me too. I think he's got that assessment backwards. Seems the fake news program makes the most money because people love "reality TV" type journalism.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 7,792
    Her is a true patriotic texas supporter of the so-called president in action.... 

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    I enjoy the Atlantic
    I'm a fan. They saw that shit immediately. 

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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 9,211

    Mark Zuckerberg says social networks should not be fact-checking political speech


    “I don’t think that Facebook or internet platforms in general should be arbiters of truth,” Zuckerberg told Sorkin in an interview that aired Thursday morning. “Political speech is one of the most sensitive parts in a democracy, and people should be able to see what politicians say.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/28/zuckerberg-facebook-twitter-should-not-fact-check-political-speech.html


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 18,362
    ikiT said:

    Mark Zuckerberg says social networks should not be fact-checking political speech


    “I don’t think that Facebook or internet platforms in general should be arbiters of truth,” Zuckerberg told Sorkin in an interview that aired Thursday morning. “Political speech is one of the most sensitive parts in a democracy, and people should be able to see what politicians say.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/28/zuckerberg-facebook-twitter-should-not-fact-check-political-speech.html


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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 9,211
    This Executive order is gonna be RICH.

    Twitter really should suspend the realdonaldtrump account OR they should label EVERYTHING he says. Fact check him in real time.  

    They got terms of service and he's been violating them for a long time. He don't like it? Find another platform.  No one is guaranteed a Twitter account.  Fuck that guy.
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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 9,211
    Maybe he should start a facebook group.  See what happens.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 950
    ikiT said:

    Mark Zuckerberg says social networks should not be fact-checking political speech


    “I don’t think that Facebook or internet platforms in general should be arbiters of truth,” Zuckerberg told Sorkin in an interview that aired Thursday morning. “Political speech is one of the most sensitive parts in a democracy, and people should be able to see what politicians say.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/28/zuckerberg-facebook-twitter-should-not-fact-check-political-speech.html


    I agree.  People should just get off social networks. No users no power. “But it’s so easy” “everybody does it today”. “Live in the present”  anyone that uses twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, insta etc and complains about the platform not monitoring speech doesn’t have a leg to stand on.  Leave the network. It’s easy
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 2,564
    Zuck is going to go down as an unwitting architect of authoritarianism.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,485
    Drain the swamp? Yea, sure. While everyone is distracted by the twitter and faceturd sewer, the real shizzy is happening here. Nothing like buying the whole federal judiciary with those needed tax cuts. Suckers.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,485
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    Because both sides are the same.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/28/trump-retweets-video-saying-only-good-democrat-is-dead-democrat/



    May 28, 2020 at 10:51 a.m. EDT

    If there was ever a tweet tailor-made for promotion by President Trump, it might be this one: A video by an account called “Cowboys for Trump” in which the speaker begins by saying, “The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat.” The speaker quickly qualifies that he’s not speaking literally.

    At precisely midnight, the president felt this was the kind of message that people needed to see. “Thank you Cowboys. See you in New Mexico!” he said in a retweet.

    What lay ahead was entirely predictable. People are rightly pointing out that a president just promoted the idea of dead Democrats. Trump will have the kind of plausible deniability he craves — the guy even said he wasn’t being literal! — and the world will keep turning.

    But the speaker has also made clear he wasn’t being entirely figurative. And Trump’s history with this kind of thing makes clear he knows exactly what he’s injecting into the national dialogue.

    The video is actually more than a week old, having caused a stir back then. The speaker, an Otero County, N.M., commissioner named Couy Griffin, has already been disavowed by the New Mexico Republican Party, even if he was just speaking figuratively.

    The Republican Party of New Mexico wants to state for the record that any statements, whether in jest or serious about harming another individual are just plain wrong.

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    “The Republican Party of New Mexico wants to state for the record that any statements, whether in jest or serious about harming another individual are just plain wrong,” the party said in a tweet on May 20. The Young Republicans of New Mexico have also called for him to apologize.

    Griffin initially declined to back down and claimed persecution, though he eventually said he “could’ve chosen a different verbiage, you know. I guess I need to be more careful when I choose the words that I speak.”

    But his other comments indicated he’s not entirely discounting the idea of violence or dead Democrats.

    In the same remarks, Griffin said that a “Plan B” after “Plan A” of winning elections would be some kind of uprising. “If we have to get shoulder-to-shoulder and create posses and stand shoulder-to-shoulder with our great sheriffs, we’ll fight you at the county lines, but we’re not letting you have our guns,” he said.

    He was later asked by the Daily Beast whether protesters against coronavirus-related restrictions might resort to violence, and responded, “I’ll tell you what, partner, as far as I’m concerned, there’s not an option that’s not on the table.”

    In the same interview, Griffin also suggested certain top Democrats might be executed for treason, citing Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) and Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D).

    “You get to pick your poison: You either go before a firing squad, or you get the end of the rope,” Griffin said.

    It’s exactly the kind of thing Trump does: He’s saying this thing, but he’s also saying that he’s not really saying this thing, and it’s your fault for misinterpreting.

    But if there were any doubt that Trump was deliberately injecting this into the national dialogue, you only need to look at how many times he’s done this before.

    Early in the 2016 election, Trump downplayed Russian President Vladimir Putin’s killing of journalists by saying the United States kills people, too. He would later repeatedly and conspicuously allude to the idea that he himself would kill journalists — while making sure to dismiss it.

    “And then they said, you know, [Putin has] killed reporters, and I don’t like that. I’m totally against that,” Trump said. “By the way, I hate some of these people, but I’d never kill him. I hate them. No, I think — no, these people, honestly — I’ll be honest, I’ll be honest. I would never kill them. I would never do that.”

    Trump then jokingly suggested he might reconsider. “Uh, let’s see. Meh?” he said. “No, I wouldn’t. I would never kill them.”

    (Trump during a meeting with Putin in 2019 would seemingly return to this idea, saying “Get rid of them” about journalists he didn’t like and saying, “You don’t have this problem in Russia.”)

    Trump also bonded with Putin over a scorn for journalists.

    “Get rid of them. Fake news is a great term, isn't it? You don’t have this problem in Russia, but we do.”

    “We also have,” Putin answered, in English. “It’s the same.”

    They shared a chuckle.

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    Later in the 2016 campaign, Trump obliquely referred to an armed uprising against Hillary Clinton’s judicial picks, saying there would be nothing you could do about them — “Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is. I don’t know.”

    In 2019 at a rally, Trump asked what could be done about immigrants crossing the border illegally, to which one rallygoer responded, “Shoot them.” Trump replied, “That’s only in the Panhandle can you get away with that statement.”

    After the tragedy in Charlottesville in 2017, Trump retweeted and then deleted a video depicting a train running over a CNN reporter.

    In 2019, Trump also toyed with the idea of the military, police and Bikers for Trump getting violent with Antifa. “I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump — I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad.” He offered similar comments at a rally in Missouri, saying: “But they’re peaceful people, and Antifa and all — they’d better hope they stay that way. I hope they stay that way. I hope they stay that way.”

    He hopes they stay that way, but he’s happy to repeatedly raise the specter of violence against people he dislikes — while clarifying that he’s not advocating it. Plenty of people will believe these musing are being exaggerated and taken out of context, but the thrust of all of them is unmistakable and consistent. It’s like that old, stereotypical mafia expression, “It’d be a shame if something happened to XYZ.”

    It’s the same trick Griffin played in the video, and it’s the kind of rhetoric that, however hedged, is clearly purposeful and part of a long-running calculation.

    As I wrote after the bikers comment:

    The idea that anything like the scenes Trump is describing would ever happen is difficult to believe. But that’s not really the point. Musing about this kind of thing is a great way to plant a seed in certain people’s minds, and the fact that Trump keeps fertilizing that seed shouldn’t escape notice.
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