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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    If you object to the US leaving Syria, feel free to volunteer with one of the many warring factions.  It should no longer be acceptable for the US or Canada to send young people to fight in foreign wars.  The middle east is a lost cause...
    There are 2k troops there.  This isn't Vietnam. 
    I know its not Viet Nam.  I do not care if there is 1 soldier there.  Bring them home.  And feel free to join any warring faction in the region you want.  I feel the same about our soldiers being shipped off to Ukraine or anywhere else in the world.  
    These aren't drafted soldiers.  This is the career they chose.  It's not the same argument as in past wars.  

    There's some truth to this post.

    Soldiers doing soldierly things isn't the crux of the issue. Whether or not the US (or any foreign country) should be intervening is the heart of the debate.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    “Remember the Caravans?” Trump wrote on Twitter. “Well, they didn’t get through and none are forming or on their way. Border is tight. Fake News silent!”

    If the border is so tight... then why is a wall necessary? It seems like things are well under control.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    “Remember the Caravans?” Trump wrote on Twitter. “Well, they didn’t get through and none are forming or on their way. Border is tight. Fake News silent!”

    If the border is so tight... then why is a wall necessary? It seems like things are well under control.
    he's such an idiot. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    “Remember the Caravans?” Trump wrote on Twitter. “Well, they didn’t get through and none are forming or on their way. Border is tight. Fake News silent!”

    If the border is so tight... then why is a wall necessary? It seems like things are well under control.
    he's such an idiot. 
    He regularly contradicts himself and then contradicts his contradiction on a daily basis. It's tough to keep up with his idiocy. 
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,448
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    “Remember the Caravans?” Trump wrote on Twitter. “Well, they didn’t get through and none are forming or on their way. Border is tight. Fake News silent!”

    If the border is so tight... then why is a wall necessary? It seems like things are well under control.
    he's such an idiot. 
    I don’t think he’s an idiot if people keep listening to his garbage. There are other idiots responsible for that.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,020
    benjs said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    “Remember the Caravans?” Trump wrote on Twitter. “Well, they didn’t get through and none are forming or on their way. Border is tight. Fake News silent!”

    If the border is so tight... then why is a wall necessary? It seems like things are well under control.
    he's such an idiot. 
    I don’t think he’s an idiot if people keep listening to his garbage. There are other idiots responsible for that.
    Right, exactly.  The Trump supporters are infinitely worse than Trump. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,020
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    If you object to the US leaving Syria, feel free to volunteer with one of the many warring factions.  It should no longer be acceptable for the US or Canada to send young people to fight in foreign wars.  The middle east is a lost cause...
    There are 2k troops there.  This isn't Vietnam. 
    I know its not Viet Nam.  I do not care if there is 1 soldier there.  Bring them home.  And feel free to join any warring faction in the region you want.  I feel the same about our soldiers being shipped off to Ukraine or anywhere else in the world.  
    These aren't drafted soldiers.  This is the career they chose.  It's not the same argument as in past wars.  

    There's some truth to this post.

    Soldiers doing soldierly things isn't the crux of the issue. Whether or not the US (or any foreign country) should be intervening is the heart of the debate.
    Yes, and considering the slaughter of the Syrian people, the risk ISIS posed to us and to the Kurds, I'm okay with 2k soldiers being deployed there, but not indefinitely.  
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,715
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    If you object to the US leaving Syria, feel free to volunteer with one of the many warring factions.  It should no longer be acceptable for the US or Canada to send young people to fight in foreign wars.  The middle east is a lost cause...
    There are 2k troops there.  This isn't Vietnam. 
    I know its not Viet Nam.  I do not care if there is 1 soldier there.  Bring them home.  And feel free to join any warring faction in the region you want.  I feel the same about our soldiers being shipped off to Ukraine or anywhere else in the world.  
    These aren't drafted soldiers.  This is the career they chose.  It's not the same argument as in past wars.  
    That reminds me of W's defenders when he was sending soliders all over the Middle East 15 years ago.  Just because they are volunteers doesn't mean we should use them cavalierly.  
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    If you object to the US leaving Syria, feel free to volunteer with one of the many warring factions.  It should no longer be acceptable for the US or Canada to send young people to fight in foreign wars.  The middle east is a lost cause...
    There are 2k troops there.  This isn't Vietnam. 
    I know its not Viet Nam.  I do not care if there is 1 soldier there.  Bring them home.  And feel free to join any warring faction in the region you want.  I feel the same about our soldiers being shipped off to Ukraine or anywhere else in the world.  
    These aren't drafted soldiers.  This is the career they chose.  It's not the same argument as in past wars.  
    That reminds me of W's defenders when he was sending soliders all over the Middle East 15 years ago.  Just because they are volunteers doesn't mean we should use them cavalierly.  
    You think they are being used irresponsibly?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,020
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    If you object to the US leaving Syria, feel free to volunteer with one of the many warring factions.  It should no longer be acceptable for the US or Canada to send young people to fight in foreign wars.  The middle east is a lost cause...
    There are 2k troops there.  This isn't Vietnam. 
    I know its not Viet Nam.  I do not care if there is 1 soldier there.  Bring them home.  And feel free to join any warring faction in the region you want.  I feel the same about our soldiers being shipped off to Ukraine or anywhere else in the world.  
    These aren't drafted soldiers.  This is the career they chose.  It's not the same argument as in past wars.  
    That reminds me of W's defenders when he was sending soliders all over the Middle East 15 years ago.  Just because they are volunteers doesn't mean we should use them cavalierly.  
    Cavalierly is the key...  That's not what is happening here.  They actually have a purpose, not one made up by neocons.  Second, it's not the same because during Iraq, there were plenty of guard called up to support the effort and they were in the forward areas.  Third, the US has lost 3 lives in Syria.  I'm not diminishing the value of three lives, but it's not an apt comparison to Iraq.  
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,715
    dignin said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    If you object to the US leaving Syria, feel free to volunteer with one of the many warring factions.  It should no longer be acceptable for the US or Canada to send young people to fight in foreign wars.  The middle east is a lost cause...
    There are 2k troops there.  This isn't Vietnam. 
    I know its not Viet Nam.  I do not care if there is 1 soldier there.  Bring them home.  And feel free to join any warring faction in the region you want.  I feel the same about our soldiers being shipped off to Ukraine or anywhere else in the world.  
    These aren't drafted soldiers.  This is the career they chose.  It's not the same argument as in past wars.  
    That reminds me of W's defenders when he was sending soliders all over the Middle East 15 years ago.  Just because they are volunteers doesn't mean we should use them cavalierly.  
    You think they are being used irresponsibly?
    You know, I don't entirely know.  And my comment was actually meant to go right at the "it's a volunteer military" narrative than anything.  I have just never felt comfortable with that arguement because I believe its logical conclusion is to promote using them cavalierly.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,715
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    If you object to the US leaving Syria, feel free to volunteer with one of the many warring factions.  It should no longer be acceptable for the US or Canada to send young people to fight in foreign wars.  The middle east is a lost cause...
    There are 2k troops there.  This isn't Vietnam. 
    I know its not Viet Nam.  I do not care if there is 1 soldier there.  Bring them home.  And feel free to join any warring faction in the region you want.  I feel the same about our soldiers being shipped off to Ukraine or anywhere else in the world.  
    These aren't drafted soldiers.  This is the career they chose.  It's not the same argument as in past wars.  
    That reminds me of W's defenders when he was sending soliders all over the Middle East 15 years ago.  Just because they are volunteers doesn't mean we should use them cavalierly.  
    Cavalierly is the key...  That's not what is happening here.  They actually have a purpose, not one made up by neocons.  Second, it's not the same because during Iraq, there were plenty of guard called up to support the effort and they were in the forward areas.  Third, the US has lost 3 lives in Syria.  I'm not diminishing the value of three lives, but it's not an apt comparison to Iraq.  
    You said "These aren't drafted soldiers.  This is the career they chose.  It's not the same argument as in past wars."  We haven't had a draft since Viet Nam.  So I'd interpret it as a defense of W's exploits.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,020
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    If you object to the US leaving Syria, feel free to volunteer with one of the many warring factions.  It should no longer be acceptable for the US or Canada to send young people to fight in foreign wars.  The middle east is a lost cause...
    There are 2k troops there.  This isn't Vietnam. 
    I know its not Viet Nam.  I do not care if there is 1 soldier there.  Bring them home.  And feel free to join any warring faction in the region you want.  I feel the same about our soldiers being shipped off to Ukraine or anywhere else in the world.  
    These aren't drafted soldiers.  This is the career they chose.  It's not the same argument as in past wars.  
    That reminds me of W's defenders when he was sending soliders all over the Middle East 15 years ago.  Just because they are volunteers doesn't mean we should use them cavalierly.  
    Cavalierly is the key...  That's not what is happening here.  They actually have a purpose, not one made up by neocons.  Second, it's not the same because during Iraq, there were plenty of guard called up to support the effort and they were in the forward areas.  Third, the US has lost 3 lives in Syria.  I'm not diminishing the value of three lives, but it's not an apt comparison to Iraq.  
    You said "These aren't drafted soldiers.  This is the career they chose.  It's not the same argument as in past wars."  We haven't had a draft since Viet Nam.  So I'd interpret it as a defense of W's exploits.
    Not really.  Guard is different.  I don't know for sure, but I'm not aware of another war where we called up national guard to fight in a forward area on foreign soil.   If I'm wrong, then I'll retract the previous statement. 
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,673
    benjs said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    “Remember the Caravans?” Trump wrote on Twitter. “Well, they didn’t get through and none are forming or on their way. Border is tight. Fake News silent!”

    If the border is so tight... then why is a wall necessary? It seems like things are well under control.
    he's such an idiot. 
    I don’t think he’s an idiot if people keep listening to his garbage. There are other idiots responsible for that.
    Exactly!!

    I often  ask....who's  the bigger idiot?
    The jackass who spews the idiocy?
    Or the ignorant jackasses who believe  it?
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Holy shit bro
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Stock market down another 400+ points. How's that tax cut working out for you? Merry Christmas, suckers.
    I’m young, the way it works out for me is that I get stocks on sale now :)
    Not so well for his overly white, old base in retirement or approaching it. More brilliant brilliance in all its brilliancy. The Syrian pullout, the wall funding demand, his attacks on Lindsey and leaving Corker out in the cold? He's ensuring there will be a conviction in the senate. Its hilarious watching a rat lash out and those still defending him. Won't be long until its just Team Trump Treason and Ghouliani. Any over/under on the number of days until flames are spotted in the third floor windows of the White House? SO MUCH WINNING!
    Hopefully old people (of all races) have their eggs in more conservative baskets regarding the stock market.
    Not sure I have enough bags of popcorn for when it all finally goes down.  May even have to resubscribe to cable! 
    I referred to race because it is an overly white and aged populace that make up his base. Also, more disproportionately likely to be affected by a government shutdown. 50% of Americans aren't in the stock market so maybe his base won't even notice nor care? You might want to bag a few deers, gooses, ducks and wild bores and hunker down in your bunker when it all finally goes down.
    Eventually, the shorts will cover (some already have), probably over a period of two to three days, causing a rally (of sorts). But I don't think it will be enough to make up the losses. That has to come organically. 

    My best guess is that this sort-covering rally will come before the end of the year. It won't be a Santa Claus-type rally, but the arrow will be green for a few days before more volatility ensues.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    trump tweets the democrats now own the shutdown. 

    schumer tweets back "You own the shutdown—your own words, @realDonaldTrump. The Senate UNANIMOUSLY passed a bipartisan solution to avoid a shutdown. Then you threw another temper tantrum and convinced the House to ignore that compromise"

    HAHAHA
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,513
    Thank you John Roberts. Enough said.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,020
    tbergs said:
    Thank you John Roberts. Enough said.
    We will hear the anger on the right for many years to come. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,675
    Saw Chuck Schumer on the Swedish news today. My mom was impressed I knew who he was.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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