Donald Trump

BS44325

Most people are finally coming around to the fact that the Obama Administration lied about weapons of mass destruction

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/apr/05/revisiting-obama-track-record-syrias-chemical-weap/

Halifax2TheMax

BS44325 said:

This demonstrates that the democratic party has lost it's friggin' mind...completely beholden to it's most extreme wing.

Says the neocon who's party of preference wouldn't even hold hearings on Obama's nominee. Disgraceful as they are.

jeffbr

BS44325 said:

This demonstrates that the democratic party has lost it's friggin' mind...completely beholden to it's most extreme wing.

I think it demonstrates that both parties have lost it. Dems blocked a nomination they didn't have to. There are far worse potential nominees than Gorsuch, and now that the Reps have gone nuclear, it will be easier to get any of them confirmed should anything happen to sitting SCOTUS justices. The Reps have lost it because neither Gorsuch nor Trump are worth screwing with the 60 vote requirement, and the Reps will see this used against them next time the parties switch power. Majorities always eventually become minorities in Congress. Dumb move all the way around. No cooperation, no middle ground, no moderate viewpoints. Just two parties filled with ideologues without any practical ability to legislate. Fuck them all.

josevolution

BS44325 said:

Most people are finally coming around to the fact that the Obama Administration lied about weapons of mass destruction

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/apr/05/revisiting-obama-track-record-syrias-chemical-weap/

Yeah just like before him when the previous administration sent over 4thousand American soldiers to their death over the same thing , how far should we go back blaming administrations before this one starts acting like they are in charge ..

benjs

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

This demonstrates that the democratic party has lost it's friggin' mind...completely beholden to it's most extreme wing.

Says the neocon who's party of preference wouldn't even hold hearings on Obama's nominee. Disgraceful as they are.

To be fair, they're not going for graceful - they're going for successful, and it's looking a hell of a lot like a gamble which paid off (case and point - they refused Garland, and are likely to have Gorsuch pushed through). Blame it on a system with loopholes that allowed them to not give Garland the time of day.

CM189191

BS44325 said:

Most people are finally coming around to the fact that the Obama Administration lied about weapons of mass destruction

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/apr/05/revisiting-obama-track-record-syrias-chemical-weap/

How did he lie? Here's what I read from the site you referenced:

"Kerry said all of Syria’s chemical weapons had been removed. The UN body in charge said that the last of Syria’s declared chemical weapons left the country in late June. There remain, however, some discrepancies in the details of the weapons the Syrians had acknowledged possessing, and some additional work is needed.

With that qualification, we rate the claim Mostly True."

...and...

"In the days and weeks to come, we will learn more about the recent attacks, but in the interest of providing clear information, we have replaced the original fact-check with this update."

Nowhere does it say Kerry made an intentionally false statement. Spin much?

BS44325

CM189191 said:

BS44325 said:

Most people are finally coming around to the fact that the Obama Administration lied about weapons of mass destruction

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/apr/05/revisiting-obama-track-record-syrias-chemical-weap/

How did he lie? Here's what I read from the site you referenced:

"Kerry said all of Syria’s chemical weapons had been removed. The UN body in charge said that the last of Syria’s declared chemical weapons left the country in late June. There remain, however, some discrepancies in the details of the weapons the Syrians had acknowledged possessing, and some additional work is needed.

With that qualification, we rate the claim Mostly True."

...and...

"In the days and weeks to come, we will learn more about the recent attacks, but in the interest of providing clear information, we have replaced the original fact-check with this update."

Nowhere does it say Kerry made an intentionally false statement. Spin much?

This is Kerry's direct quote: ""we got 100 percent of the chemical weapons out."

Kerry lied...people died.

Halifax2TheMax

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

This demonstrates that the democratic party has lost it's friggin' mind...completely beholden to it's most extreme wing.

Says the neocon who's party of preference wouldn't even hold hearings on Obama's nominee. Disgraceful as they are.

To be fair, they're not going for graceful - they're going for successful, and it's looking a hell of a lot like a gamble which paid off (case and point - they refused Garland, and are likely to have Gorsuch pushed through). Blame it on a system with loopholes that allowed them to not give Garland the time of day.

The republicans abdicated their responsibility despite holding a majority and being able to reject Garland as today's vote showed. They are a party bereft of ideas and can't win in the ring of ideas. They only win by voter suppression, politics of personal destruction, gerrymandering and the shit they've done for the past 8 years. They were the ones who claimed their number one priority was to see this president, Obama, fail and that "compromise" was a dirty word. Fuck them. But the chickens will come home to roost as exemplified by Trump. Karma.

BS44325

jeffbr said:

BS44325 said:

This demonstrates that the democratic party has lost it's friggin' mind...completely beholden to it's most extreme wing.

I think it demonstrates that both parties have lost it. Dems blocked a nomination they didn't have to. There are far worse potential nominees than Gorsuch, and now that the Reps have gone nuclear, it will be easier to get any of them confirmed should anything happen to sitting SCOTUS justices. The Reps have lost it because neither Gorsuch nor Trump are worth screwing with the 60 vote requirement, and the Reps will see this used against them next time the parties switch power. Majorities always eventually become minorities in Congress. Dumb move all the way around. No cooperation, no middle ground, no moderate viewpoints. Just two parties filled with ideologues without any practical ability to legislate. Fuck them all.

You're not wrong but unfortunately there was no compromise to be made. Gorsuch was well qualified and not an extremist. There is no judge other then Garland who would have been acceptable to the democrats and that was never going to happen. The democrats are going to regret it the next time around and the republicans will regret years down the road.

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

This demonstrates that the democratic party has lost it's friggin' mind...completely beholden to it's most extreme wing.

IRONY....

Halifax2TheMax

BS44325 said:

CM189191 said:

BS44325 said:

Most people are finally coming around to the fact that the Obama Administration lied about weapons of mass destruction

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/apr/05/revisiting-obama-track-record-syrias-chemical-weap/

How did he lie? Here's what I read from the site you referenced:

"Kerry said all of Syria’s chemical weapons had been removed. The UN body in charge said that the last of Syria’s declared chemical weapons left the country in late June. There remain, however, some discrepancies in the details of the weapons the Syrians had acknowledged possessing, and some additional work is needed.

With that qualification, we rate the claim Mostly True."

...and...

"In the days and weeks to come, we will learn more about the recent attacks, but in the interest of providing clear information, we have replaced the original fact-check with this update."

Nowhere does it say Kerry made an intentionally false statement. Spin much?

This is Kerry's direct quote: ""we got 100 percent of the chemical weapons out."

Kerry lied...people died.

How do you know this to be true? Did Syria give up its chemical weapons manufacturing or ability to obtain chemical weapons as well? How do you know that the agents used a couple of days ago were in Syria in 2013? Fact is, you don't. Spin much indeed but your gleefulness is telling.

g under p

PRESIDENT TRUMP is causing MASSIVE traffic problems and I'm effing in the middle of this crap!

Peace

CM189191

BS44325 said:

CM189191 said:

BS44325 said:

Most people are finally coming around to the fact that the Obama Administration lied about weapons of mass destruction

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/apr/05/revisiting-obama-track-record-syrias-chemical-weap/

How did he lie? Here's what I read from the site you referenced:

"Kerry said all of Syria’s chemical weapons had been removed. The UN body in charge said that the last of Syria’s declared chemical weapons left the country in late June. There remain, however, some discrepancies in the details of the weapons the Syrians had acknowledged possessing, and some additional work is needed.

With that qualification, we rate the claim Mostly True."

...and...

"In the days and weeks to come, we will learn more about the recent attacks, but in the interest of providing clear information, we have replaced the original fact-check with this update."

Nowhere does it say Kerry made an intentionally false statement. Spin much?

This is Kerry's direct quote: ""we got 100 percent of the chemical weapons out."

Kerry lied...people died.

In order for that to be a lie, you have to prove Kerry was aware chemical weapons were present when he said there wasn't.

The UN body in charge said that the last of Syria’s declared chemical weapons left the country.

If you're going to call somebody a liar, you should first understand what a lie is. It's possible he may have been incorrect, but there is nothing to indicate made an intentionally false statement.

mrussel1

CM189191 said:

BS44325 said:

CM189191 said:

BS44325 said:

Most people are finally coming around to the fact that the Obama Administration lied about weapons of mass destruction

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/apr/05/revisiting-obama-track-record-syrias-chemical-weap/

How did he lie? Here's what I read from the site you referenced:

"Kerry said all of Syria’s chemical weapons had been removed. The UN body in charge said that the last of Syria’s declared chemical weapons left the country in late June. There remain, however, some discrepancies in the details of the weapons the Syrians had acknowledged possessing, and some additional work is needed.

With that qualification, we rate the claim Mostly True."

...and...

"In the days and weeks to come, we will learn more about the recent attacks, but in the interest of providing clear information, we have replaced the original fact-check with this update."

Nowhere does it say Kerry made an intentionally false statement. Spin much?

This is Kerry's direct quote: ""we got 100 percent of the chemical weapons out."

Kerry lied...people died.

In order for that to be a lie, you have to prove Kerry was aware chemical weapons were present when he said there wasn't.

The UN body in charge said that the last of Syria’s declared chemical weapons left the country.

If you're going to call somebody a liar, you should first understand what a lie is. It's possible he may have been incorrect, but there is nothing to indicate made an intentionally false statement.

Or it's possible the weapons entered the country afterwards. Either way, I don't know how you can ever be certain they were all gone.

CM189191

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

BS44325 said:

CM189191 said:

BS44325 said:

Most people are finally coming around to the fact that the Obama Administration lied about weapons of mass destruction

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/apr/05/revisiting-obama-track-record-syrias-chemical-weap/

How did he lie? Here's what I read from the site you referenced:

"Kerry said all of Syria’s chemical weapons had been removed. The UN body in charge said that the last of Syria’s declared chemical weapons left the country in late June. There remain, however, some discrepancies in the details of the weapons the Syrians had acknowledged possessing, and some additional work is needed.

With that qualification, we rate the claim Mostly True."

...and...

"In the days and weeks to come, we will learn more about the recent attacks, but in the interest of providing clear information, we have replaced the original fact-check with this update."

Nowhere does it say Kerry made an intentionally false statement. Spin much?

This is Kerry's direct quote: ""we got 100 percent of the chemical weapons out."

Kerry lied...people died.

In order for that to be a lie, you have to prove Kerry was aware chemical weapons were present when he said there wasn't.

The UN body in charge said that the last of Syria’s declared chemical weapons left the country.

If you're going to call somebody a liar, you should first understand what a lie is. It's possible he may have been incorrect, but there is nothing to indicate made an intentionally false statement.

Or it's possible the weapons entered the country afterwards. Either way, I don't know how you can ever be certain they were all gone.

In the Framework, Russia and the United States agreed to the following target dates:
Syria to provide a comprehensive listing of its weapons to the OPCW by 21 September 2013
Initial OPCW on-site inspections of declared sites to be completed by November 2013
Equipment for producing, mixing, and filling chemical weapons to be destroyed by November 2013
All chemical weapons material and equipment to be eliminated in the first half of 2014

(Chlorine, a common industrial chemical which would later allegedly be used in poison-gas attacks inside Syria in 2014, is not on the list of prohibited chemicals covered by the disarmament agreement.)

So if anyone was lying here, it was Syria.

josevolution

g under p said:

PRESIDENT TRUMP is causing MASSIVE traffic problems and I'm effing in the middle of this crap!

Peace

Damn that sucks I bet somehow this is Obamas fault ..

mfc2006

josevolution said:

g under p said:

PRESIDENT TRUMP is causing MASSIVE traffic problems and I'm effing in the middle of this crap!

Peace

Damn that sucks I bet somehow this is Obamas fault ..

Our dog threw up because he ate too quickly. Thanks a lot, Obama.

josevolution

mfc2006 said:

josevolution said:

g under p said:

PRESIDENT TRUMP is causing MASSIVE traffic problems and I'm effing in the middle of this crap!

Peace

Damn that sucks I bet somehow this is Obamas fault ..

Our dog threw up because he ate too quickly. Thanks a lot, Obama.

lol

josevolution

Trump weighing military options following chemical weapons attack in Syria - The Washington Post
https://apple.news/A3Kvm-pnyQhOjYy8yrNfOxg

Well here we go how will American troops fight against Syrian forces if they are backed by bafoon's best friends forces , what happens when Russian forces get killed by American forces ? Or a Russian plane gets shot down ...

mrussel1

josevolution said:

Trump weighing military options following chemical weapons attack in Syria - The Washington Post
https://apple.news/A3Kvm-pnyQhOjYy8yrNfOxg

Well here we go how will American troops fight against Syrian forces if they are backed by bafoon's best friends forces , what happens when Russian forces get killed by American forces ? Or a Russian plane gets shot down ...

Jared is on it..

I kid the Jared kid... and from what I've read, he and Bannon have been warring because he's a moderate and not a Nationalist. So maybe for the good of the country, I should root a little for him.