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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,312
    BS44325 said:

    So it wasn't Kerry and Susan Rice who lied about weapons of mass destruction...it was Syria. Right. Yet the Obama administration wants to convince people that the Iran deal will prevent them from going nuclear....because Iran won't lie.

    Again I ask you how will he get Putin to move aside to get rid of Assad we're waiting?
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    AND the entire US Congress is out the door for 2 weeks this afternoon for Easter.
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    It might as well be 2 years.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,654

    BS44325 said:

    So it wasn't Kerry and Susan Rice who lied about weapons of mass destruction...it was Syria. Right. Yet the Obama administration wants to convince people that the Iran deal will prevent them from going nuclear....because Iran won't lie.

    Again I ask you how will he get Putin to move aside to get rid of Assad we're waiting?
    You won't get an answer. BS only exists in the moment with never a mind for the future or the past.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,312

    BS44325 said:

    So it wasn't Kerry and Susan Rice who lied about weapons of mass destruction...it was Syria. Right. Yet the Obama administration wants to convince people that the Iran deal will prevent them from going nuclear....because Iran won't lie.

    Again I ask you how will he get Putin to move aside to get rid of Assad we're waiting?
    You won't get an answer. BS only exists in the moment with never a mind for the future or the past.
    But because bafoon flexed his muscles BS is so proud yet he can't tell us what the end game is for this administration, is it to get rid of Assad or just deflect from his own political problems he has here !
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    Tiki said:

    AND the entire US Congress is out the door for 2 weeks this afternoon for Easter.

    speaking of Congress
    Here are 10 Republicans who have done a complete 180 on Syria now that Obama’s not president
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    So it wasn't Kerry and Susan Rice who lied about weapons of mass destruction...it was Syria. Right. Yet the Obama administration wants to convince people that the Iran deal will prevent them from going nuclear....because Iran won't lie.

    Again I ask you how will he get Putin to move aside to get rid of Assad we're waiting?
    You won't get an answer. BS only exists in the moment with never a mind for the future or the past.
    But because bafoon flexed his muscles BS is so proud yet he can't tell us what the end game is for this administration, is it to get rid of Assad or just deflect from his own political problems he has here !
    The end game is victory.
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    So it wasn't Kerry and Susan Rice who lied about weapons of mass destruction...it was Syria. Right. Yet the Obama administration wants to convince people that the Iran deal will prevent them from going nuclear....because Iran won't lie.

    Again I ask you how will he get Putin to move aside to get rid of Assad we're waiting?
    Trump won't get rid of Assad. Syrians will get rid of Assad. I am not sure other then hating Trump what your objection to the current policy is though? I get it...if Trump does something you are against it but clearly you must agree that the status quo in Syria is unacceptable? Do you agree? The AMT always wants things both ways. Stop blaming Obama! Trump is now responsible! Trump is shouldering responsibility and takin action?! This is outrageous! What is the end game?!

    It is a long running joke that any of you have any clarity on what result you actually want to come from a collapsed middle east. Opposition to Bush, Trump, insert Republican name here, is all that drives the AMT. Period. The end.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Tiki said:
    I agree with that Trump over this Trump but I like this Trump better then that Trump. Getting congressional authority is important but post-Libya that demand will no longer be enforced.
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,126
    CM189191 said:

    Tiki said:

    AND the entire US Congress is out the door for 2 weeks this afternoon for Easter.

    speaking of Congress
    Here are 10 Republicans who have done a complete 180 on Syria now that Obama’s not president
    I hate the partisan politics but I'm not sure for all these it's fair to say it's a complete 180. Things are different...more than just who the president is. Only a simpleton would equate 2013 with 2017. That website is playing the partisan politic card hard, and failing I think.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
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    CM189191 said:

    Tiki said:

    AND the entire US Congress is out the door for 2 weeks this afternoon for Easter.

    speaking of Congress
    Here are 10 Republicans who have done a complete 180 on Syria now that Obama’s not president
    I hate the partisan politics but I'm not sure for all these it's fair to say it's a complete 180. Things are different...more than just who the president is. Only a simpleton would equate 2013 with 2017. That website is playing the partisan politic card hard, and failing I think.
    Agreed. The four years between 2013 and 2017 have been four years of atrocities, genocide and refugees. The status quo can't continue. In addition this hunt for rhetorical hypocrisy is just a way to avoid approving Trump's action when they must oppose Trump at all costs. People who were outraged by Assad's use of chemical weapons only to paint Trump as being ineffectual are now outraged by Trump's response because of his earlier stance. The #resistance is not made up of a group of people who actually care about the fate of the world...it is just Trump that consumes them.
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    Explosives are almost never the answer, even if that's all "they" understand.
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    slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,758
    A person who voted for Donald Trump voted for a candidate who had no intention of touching Syria.
    Three months in, he's launching bombs.

    That's the part I don't get. I don't necessarily disagree with the action -- you can argue it was long overdue -- but what I don't get are the Trump supporters celebrating it today. Because you voted against this action last November.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,836
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    So it wasn't Kerry and Susan Rice who lied about weapons of mass destruction...it was Syria. Right. Yet the Obama administration wants to convince people that the Iran deal will prevent them from going nuclear....because Iran won't lie.

    Again I ask you how will he get Putin to move aside to get rid of Assad we're waiting?
    Trump won't get rid of Assad. Syrians will get rid of Assad. I am not sure other then hating Trump what your objection to the current policy is though? I get it...if Trump does something you are against it but clearly you must agree that the status quo in Syria is unacceptable? Do you agree? The AMT always wants things both ways. Stop blaming Obama! Trump is now responsible! Trump is shouldering responsibility and takin action?! This is outrageous! What is the end game?!

    It is a long running joke that any of you have any clarity on what result you actually want to come from a collapsed middle east. Opposition to Bush, Trump, insert Republican name here, is all that drives the AMT. Period. The end.
    no, it's because the US government only goes to war in a certain region, like that's the only place on the planet that has "bad guys" in power and the only ones killing their own citizens.gimme a break. there is ALWAYS a financial/political angle to these acts of aggression.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,605
    edited April 2017
    Well, as usual, the distraction is working like a charm. I really don't know what else to say right now. I'm just going to wait and watch what happens next, and hope that people don't take their eye off of all the bullshit that Trump is trying to distract them from. This bunch of idiots don't know wtf they're doing - they are not qualified to try and wage a war or do whatever the fuck they are trying to do. Not in the least. So they are already poised to cause this to spiral completely out of control. I will be surprised if the US (and, unfortunately, many of its allies) is not in a war with Syria and Iran, and maybe even Russia, by summer, if not earlier.
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,516

    A person who voted for Donald Trump voted for a candidate who had no intention of touching Syria.
    Three months in, he's launching bombs.

    That's the part I don't get. I don't necessarily disagree with the action -- you can argue it was long overdue -- but what I don't get are the Trump supporters celebrating it today. Because you voted against this action last November.

    Cognitive dissonance is a wonderful thing.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,654
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    So it wasn't Kerry and Susan Rice who lied about weapons of mass destruction...it was Syria. Right. Yet the Obama administration wants to convince people that the Iran deal will prevent them from going nuclear....because Iran won't lie.

    Again I ask you how will he get Putin to move aside to get rid of Assad we're waiting?
    You won't get an answer. BS only exists in the moment with never a mind for the future or the past.
    But because bafoon flexed his muscles BS is so proud yet he can't tell us what the end game is for this administration, is it to get rid of Assad or just deflect from his own political problems he has here !
    The end game is victory.
    Courage! What a joke. You have no principles. The continuation of the Bush Doctrine. Brilliant. You don't know what victory looks like because you haven't seen it in 16 years. Care to describe, "victory?" All and everything for Bibi.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,836
    Trump said that attacking Syria would start WW3.

    good thing y'all didn't vote for the war-monger!
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    Trump said that attacking Syria would start WW3.

    good thing y'all didn't vote for the war-monger!

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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    A person who voted for Donald Trump voted for a candidate who had no intention of touching Syria.
    Three months in, he's launching bombs.

    That's the part I don't get. I don't necessarily disagree with the action -- you can argue it was long overdue -- but what I don't get are the Trump supporters celebrating it today. Because you voted against this action last November.

    Not exactly. I have tried to explain this before but it never got that much traction. Most Trump voters new that he was not ideological and that him flipping on something like this was not only possible but even quite likely over time. His voters just want someone who is results driven and will weigh every action one decision at a time. His ability to act without being beholden to a staked out position was seen as a feature not a bug. Some of the alt-right won't be able to accept it but many others will judge as results come in. Many of his voters just want "success".
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    So it wasn't Kerry and Susan Rice who lied about weapons of mass destruction...it was Syria. Right. Yet the Obama administration wants to convince people that the Iran deal will prevent them from going nuclear....because Iran won't lie.

    Again I ask you how will he get Putin to move aside to get rid of Assad we're waiting?
    Trump won't get rid of Assad. Syrians will get rid of Assad. I am not sure other then hating Trump what your objection to the current policy is though? I get it...if Trump does something you are against it but clearly you must agree that the status quo in Syria is unacceptable? Do you agree? The AMT always wants things both ways. Stop blaming Obama! Trump is now responsible! Trump is shouldering responsibility and takin action?! This is outrageous! What is the end game?!

    It is a long running joke that any of you have any clarity on what result you actually want to come from a collapsed middle east. Opposition to Bush, Trump, insert Republican name here, is all that drives the AMT. Period. The end.
    no, it's because the US government only goes to war in a certain region, like that's the only place on the planet that has "bad guys" in power and the only ones killing their own citizens.gimme a break. there is ALWAYS a financial/political angle to these acts of aggression.
    The fracking revolution has reduced the financial angle to this region. It isn't zero but oil ain't what it used to be.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,836
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    So it wasn't Kerry and Susan Rice who lied about weapons of mass destruction...it was Syria. Right. Yet the Obama administration wants to convince people that the Iran deal will prevent them from going nuclear....because Iran won't lie.

    Again I ask you how will he get Putin to move aside to get rid of Assad we're waiting?
    Trump won't get rid of Assad. Syrians will get rid of Assad. I am not sure other then hating Trump what your objection to the current policy is though? I get it...if Trump does something you are against it but clearly you must agree that the status quo in Syria is unacceptable? Do you agree? The AMT always wants things both ways. Stop blaming Obama! Trump is now responsible! Trump is shouldering responsibility and takin action?! This is outrageous! What is the end game?!

    It is a long running joke that any of you have any clarity on what result you actually want to come from a collapsed middle east. Opposition to Bush, Trump, insert Republican name here, is all that drives the AMT. Period. The end.
    no, it's because the US government only goes to war in a certain region, like that's the only place on the planet that has "bad guys" in power and the only ones killing their own citizens.gimme a break. there is ALWAYS a financial/political angle to these acts of aggression.
    The fracking revolution has reduced the financial angle to this region. It isn't zero but oil ain't what it used to be.
    so trump suddenly has a soft spot for other humans? not believable.
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,123
    edited April 2017
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,836
    BS44325 said:

    A person who voted for Donald Trump voted for a candidate who had no intention of touching Syria.
    Three months in, he's launching bombs.

    That's the part I don't get. I don't necessarily disagree with the action -- you can argue it was long overdue -- but what I don't get are the Trump supporters celebrating it today. Because you voted against this action last November.

    Not exactly. I have tried to explain this before but it never got that much traction. Most Trump voters new that he was not ideological and that him flipping on something like this was not only possible but even quite likely over time. His voters just want someone who is results driven and will weigh every action one decision at a time. His ability to act without being beholden to a staked out position was seen as a feature not a bug. Some of the alt-right won't be able to accept it but many others will judge as results come in. Many of his voters just want "success".
    this is a very nicely dressed up way of saying he has no idea what he's doing and is 100% under the guidance of his advisors.
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,123

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    So it wasn't Kerry and Susan Rice who lied about weapons of mass destruction...it was Syria. Right. Yet the Obama administration wants to convince people that the Iran deal will prevent them from going nuclear....because Iran won't lie.

    Again I ask you how will he get Putin to move aside to get rid of Assad we're waiting?
    Trump won't get rid of Assad. Syrians will get rid of Assad. I am not sure other then hating Trump what your objection to the current policy is though? I get it...if Trump does something you are against it but clearly you must agree that the status quo in Syria is unacceptable? Do you agree? The AMT always wants things both ways. Stop blaming Obama! Trump is now responsible! Trump is shouldering responsibility and takin action?! This is outrageous! What is the end game?!

    It is a long running joke that any of you have any clarity on what result you actually want to come from a collapsed middle east. Opposition to Bush, Trump, insert Republican name here, is all that drives the AMT. Period. The end.
    no, it's because the US government only goes to war in a certain region, like that's the only place on the planet that has "bad guys" in power and the only ones killing their own citizens.gimme a break. there is ALWAYS a financial/political angle to these acts of aggression.
    Somalia and Yemen are useless shit holes so why are waging war there?
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