Donald Trump

HughFreakingDillon

my2hands said:

Nobody wants to talk about the Pittsburgh shooter not voting for, supporting, or liking Donald Trump? He thought Trump was a globalist surrounded by too many Jews?

so we need to give him credit now when someone DOESN'T murder in his name? the bar has been set awfully low. 

eddiec

tbergs said:

my2hands said:

Interesting little opinion piece... i like checking fix news every few days to see what that crowd is reading and found this... I don't agree 100%, but after recent comments I think you'll realize I do agree with the general point and some of the comments pointed out

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/steve-hilton-trump-and-his-supporters-are-being-blamed-for-a-climate-of-rage-and-hate-but-heres-the-truth

Man, how is one supposed to even force down that sludge? Good for you for looking at other sources, but maybe not an overtly biased opinion piece that is taking quotes out of context.

In 2008 you saw the elite bail themselves out while working people paid the price for their recklessness and incompetence.

And you saw a new tone enter our politics.

Before then we had presidents who, whatever their political views, made clear they loved America and loved Americans - all Americans

Reagan, the Bushes, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton perhaps a bit too much - they weren't haters. You got the sense they loved everybody.

But then we saw something new. A cultural elitism came in. Condescension. Even contempt

Remember when then-presidential candidate Barack Obama said on April 6, 2008, “They get bitter, and they cling to guns or religion.”

How about when his wife Michelle said this on February 18, 2008; “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country.”

We saw hate and divisiveness -- from the top. And remember, from the left, not the right. From the elitists, not the populists.

From Joe Biden who said this on September 15 recently at the Human Rights Campaign dinner, “They, not you, have an ally in the White House. This time they have an ally. There are small percentage of American people-virulent people-some of them the dregs of society.”

And of course from the queen of hate, the empress of divisiveness, Hillary Clinton, on September 9, 2016, we got this: "You could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables."

I have never heard Republicans talk about fellow Americans like that. President Trump has never talked about fellow Americans like that.

That's the best they have? Really? With all the right wing nutjobs claiming Obama was an African Muslim anti-American, these are the worst quotes Fox can dig up? What a joke.

Bentleyspop

Being  presidential......

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1056558062063026177?s=19

tbergs

Bentleyspop said:

Being  presidential......

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1056558062063026177?s=19

How dare he talk that way about fellow Americans (the deplorables - as meant when in reference to Hillary's statement).

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

Smellyman said:

PJPOWER said:

unsung said:

Looks like Hillary wants to run again...
pleasebetruepleasebetruepleasebetruepleasebetrue

Seriously?  I’m confused, I didn’t think the Democrats wanted 8 years of Trump, but maybe that was just an assumption on my part???

I won't believe it until unsung proves it in meme form.

Only loony right news is 'reporting' it now.

H2M already has unsung stalker status.  Give it up.

Elitist 

Halifax2TheMax

PATRICK JOSEPH BUCHANAN, “CULTURE WAR SPEECH: ADDRESS TO THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION” (17 AUGUST 1992)

[1] What a terrific crowd this is. What a terrific crowd. This may even be larger than the crowd I had in Ellijay, Georgia. Don’t laugh. We carried Ellijay.

[2] Listen, my friends, we may have taken the long way home, but we finally got here to Houston.

[3] And the first thing I want to do tonight is to congratulate President George Bush, and to remove any doubt about where we stand: the primaries are over, the heart is strong again, and the Buchanan brigades are enlisted – all the way to a great Republican comeback victory in November.

[4] My friends, like many of you last month, I watched that giant masquerade ball up at Madison Square Garden – where 20,000 liberals and radicals came dressed up as moderates and centrists – in the greatest single exhibition of cross-dressing in American political history.

[5] One by one, the prophets of doom appeared at the podium. The Reagan decade, they moaned, was a terrible time in America; and they said the only way to prevent worse times is to turn our country’s fate and our country’s future over to the party that gave us McGovern, Mondale, Carter and Michael Dukakis. Where do they find these leaders?

[6] No way, my friends. The American people are not going to go back into the discredited liberalism of the 1960s and the failed liberalism of the 1970s, no matter how slick the package in 1992.

[7] The malcontents of Madison Square Garden notwithstanding, the 1980s were not terrible years in America. They were great years. You know it, and I know it. And the only people who don’t know it are the carping critics who sat on the sidelines of history, jeering at one of the great statesmen of modern time, Ronald Reagan.

[8] Remember that time, out of Jimmy Carter’s days of malaise, Ronald Reagan crafted the greatest peacetime economic recovery in history – 3 million new businesses, and 20 million new jobs.

[9] Under the Reagan Doctrine, one by one, it was the communist dominos that began to fall. First, Grenada was liberated by US airborne troops and the US Marine Corps. Then, the mighty Red Army was run out of Afghanistan, with American weapons. And then in Nicaragua, that squalid Marxist regime was forced to hold free elections by Ronald Reagan’s contra army and the communists were thrown out of power.

[10] Fellow Americans, we ought to remember – it was under our party that the Berlin Wall came down, and Europe was reunited. It was under our party that the Soviet Empire collapsed, and the captive nations broke free.

[11] You know, it is said that every American president will be remembered in history with but a single sentence. George Washington was the father of his country. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves and saved the Union. And Ronald Reagan won the Cold War. And it is just about time that my old colleagues, the columnists and commentators, looking down on us tonight from their sky boxes and anchor booths, gave Ronald Reagan the full credit he deserves for leading America to victory in the Cold War.

[12] Most of all, Ronald Reagan made us proud to be Americans again. We never felt better about our country; and we never stood taller in the eyes of the world than when the Gipper was at the helm.

[13] But we are here tonight, my friends, not only to celebrate, but to nominate. And an American president has many roles.

[14] He is our first diplomat, the architect of American foreign policy. And which of these two men is more qualified for that great role? George Bush has been UN ambassador, director of the CIA, envoy to China. As vice president, George Bush co-authored and co-signed the policies that won the Cold War. As president, George Bush presided over the liberation of Eastern Europe and the termination of the Warsaw Pact. And what about Mr. Clinton? Well, Bill Clinton couldn’t find 150 words to discuss foreign policy in an acceptance speech that lasted almost an hour. As was said of another Democratic candidate, Bill Clinton’s foreign policy experience is pretty much confined to having had breakfast once at the International House of Pancakes.

[15] Let us look at the record and recall what happened. Under President George Bush, more human beings escaped from the prison house of tyranny to freedom than in any other four-year period in history. And for any man to call this a record of failure is the cheap political rhetoric of politicians who only know how to build themselves up by tearing America down and we don’t want that kind of leadership in the United States.

[16] The presidency is also an office that Theodore Roosevelt called America’s “bully pulpit.” Harry Truman said it was “preeminently a place of moral leadership.” George Bush is a defender of right-to-life, and a champion of the Judeo-Christian values and beliefs upon which America was founded.

[17] Mr. Clinton, however, has a different agenda.

[18] At its top is unrestricted abortion on demand. When the Irish-Catholic governor of Pennsylvania, Robert Casey, asked to say a few words on behalf of the 25 million unborn children destroyed since Roe v. Wade, Bob Casey was told there was no place for him at the podium at Bill Clinton’s convention, no room at the inn.

[19] Yet a militant leader of the homosexual rights movement could rise at that same convention and say: “Bill Clinton and Al Gore represent the most pro-lesbian and pro-gay ticket in history.” And so they do.

[20] Bill Clinton says he supports school choice – but only for state-run schools. Parents who send their children to Christian schools, or private schools, or Jewish schools, or Catholic schools need not apply.

[21] Elect me, and you get two for the price of one, Mr. Clinton says of his lawyer-spouse. And what does Hillary believe? Well, Hillary believes that 12-year-olds should have the right to sue their parents, and Hillary has compared marriage and the family as institutions to slavery and life on an Indian reservation.

[22] Well, speak for yourself, Hillary.

[23] This, my friends, is radical feminism. The agenda that Clinton & Clinton would impose on America – abortion on demand, a litmus test for the Supreme Court, homosexual rights, discrimination against religious schools, women in combat units – that’s change, all right. But it is not the kind of change America needs. It is not the kind of change America wants. And it is not the kind of change we can abide in a nation that we still call God’s country.

[24] The President of the United States is also America’s commander-in-chief. He’s the man we authorize to send fathers and sons and brothers and friends into battle.

[25] George Bush was 17-years-old when they bombed Pearl Harbor. He left his high school graduation, he walked down to the recruiting office, and he signed up to become the youngest fighter pilot in the Pacific war. And Mr. Clinton? And Bill Clinton? When Bill Clinton’s time came in Vietnam, he sat up in a dormitory room in Oxford, England, and figured out how to dodge the draft.

[26] Let me ask the question to this convention. Which of these two men has won the moral authority to send young Americans into battle? I suggest, respectfully, it is the American patriot and war hero, Navy Lieutenant J. G. George Herbert Walker Bush.

[27] My fellow Americans, this campaign is about philosophy, and it is about character; and George Bush wins hands down on both counts; and it is time all of us came home and stood beside him.

[28] As his running mate, Mr. Clinton chose Albert Gore. But just how moderate is Prince Albert? Well, according to the National Taxpayers Union, Al Gore beat out Teddy Kennedy, two straight years, for the title of biggest spender in the US Senate.

[29] And Teddy Kennedy isn’t moderate about anything. I’m not kidding about Teddy. How many other 60-year-olds do you know who still go to Florida for spring break?

Continued...........................................

Halifax2TheMax

[30] You know, at that great big costume party they held up in New York, Mr. Gore made a startling declaration. Henceforth, Albert Gore said, the “central organizing principle” of governments everywhere must be the environment.

[31] Wrong, Albert!

[32] The central organizing principle of this republic is freedom. And from the ancient forests of Oregon and Washington, to the Inland Empire of California, America’s great middle class has got to start standing up to these environmental extremists who put birds and rats and insects ahead of families, workers, and jobs.

[33] One year ago, my friends, I could not have dreamt I would be here tonight. I was just one of many panelists on what President Bush calls “those crazy Sunday talk shows.”

[34] But I disagreed with the president, and so we challenged the president in the Republican primaries and fought as best we could. From February to June, President Bush won 33 of those primaries. I can’t recall exactly how many we won. I’ll get you the figure tomorrow.

[35] But tonight I do want to speak from the heart to the three million people who voted for Pat Buchanan for president. I will never forget you, or the honor you have done me. But I do believe, deep in my heart, that the right place for us to be now, in this presidential campaign, is right beside George Bush. This party is my home; this party is our home; and we’ve got to come home to it. And don’t let anyone tell you different.

[36] Yes, we disagreed with President Bush, but we stand with him for the freedom to choice religious schools, and we stand with him against the amoral idea that gay and lesbian couples should have the same standing in law as married men and women.

[37] We stand with President Bush for right-to-life, and for voluntary prayer in the public schools, and we stand against putting our wives and daughter and sisters into combat units of the United States Army. And we stand with President Bush in favor of the right of small towns and communities to control the raw sewage of pornography that so terribly pollutes our popular culture.

[38] We stand with President Bush in favor of federal judges who interpret the law as written, and against would-be Supreme Court justices like Mario Cuomo who think they have a mandate to rewrite the Constitution.

39] My friends, this election is about more than who gets what. It is about who we are. It is about what we believe, and what we stand for as Americans. There is a religious war going on in this country. It is a cultural war, as critical to the kind of nation we shall be as was the Cold War itself, for this war is for the soul of America. And in that struggle for the soul of America, Clinton & Clinton are on the other side, and George Bush is on our side. And so, to the Buchanan Brigades out there, we have to come home and stand beside George Bush.

[40] In these six months, campaigning from Concord, New Hampshire to California, I came to know our country better than ever before in my life, and I gathered up memories that are going to be with me for the rest of my days.

[41] There was that day-long ride through the great state of Georgia in a bus Vice President Bush himself had used in 1988 – called Asphalt One. The ride ended in a 9:00 PM speech in a tiny town in Southern Georgia called Fitzgerald.

[42] There were those workers at the James River Paper Mill, in Northern New Hampshire in a town called Groveton – tough, hearty men. None of them would say a word to me as I came down the line, shaking their hands one by one. They were under a threat of losing their jobs at Christmas. And as I moved down the line, one tough fellow about my age just looked up and said to me, “Save our jobs.” Then there was the legal secretary that I met at the Manchester airport on Christmas Day who came running up to me and said, “Mr. Buchanan, I’m going to vote for you.” And then she broke down weeping, and she said, “I’ve lost my job; I don’t have any money, and they’re going to take away my little girl. What am I going to do?”

[43] My friends, these people are our people. They don’t read Adam Smith or Edmund Burke, but they come from the same schoolyards and the same playgrounds and towns as we come from. They share our beliefs and convictions, our hopes and our dreams. They are the conservatives of the heart.

[44] They are our people. And we need to reconnect with them. We need to let them know we know how bad they’re hurting. They don’t expect miracles of us, but they need to know we care.

[45] There were the people of Hayfork, the tiny town up in California’s Trinity Alps, a town that is now under a sentence of death because a federal judge has set aside nine million acres for the habitat of the spotted owl, forgetting about the habitat of the men and women who live and work in Hayfork. And there were the brave people of Koreatown who took the worst of those LA riots, but still live the family values we treasure, and who still deeply believe in the American dream.

[46] Friends, in those wonderful 25 weeks of our campaign, the saddest days were the days of that riot in LA, the worst riot in American history. But out of that awful tragedy can come a message of hope.

[47] Hours after that riot ended, I went down to the Army compound in South Los Angeles, where I met the troopers of the 18th Cavalry who had come to save the city of Los Angeles. An officer of the 18th Cav said, “Mr. Buchanan, I want you to talk to a couple of our troopers.” And I went over and I met these young fellows. They couldn’t have been 20-years-old. And they recounted their story.

[48] They had come into Los Angeles late in the evening of the second day, and the rioting was still going on. And two of them walked up a dark street, where the mob had burned and looted every single building on the block but one, a convalescent home for the aged. And the mob was headed in, to ransack and loot the apartments of the terrified old men and women inside. The troopers came up the street, M-16s at the ready. And the mob threatened and cursed, but the mob retreated because it had met the one thing that could stop it: force, rooted in justice, and backed by moral courage.

[49] Greater love than this hath no man than that he lay down his life for his friend. Here were 19-year-old boys ready to lay down their lives to stop a mob from molesting old people they did not even know. And as those boys took back the streets of Los Angeles, block by block, my friends, we must take back our cities, and take back our culture, and take back our country.

[50] God bless you, and God bless America.”

Bibliographic List of Sources:

Buchanan, Patrick J. “Address to the Republican National Convention.” August 17, 1992. Houston, TX. Text obtained from Buchanan.org, http://buchanan.org/blog/1992-republican-national-convention-speech-148 [=A]

Buchanan, Patrick J. “Address to the Republican National Convention.” August 17, 1992. Houston, TX. Video recording obtained from Buchanan.org, http://buchanan.org/blog/media/video-pat-back-in-the-day [=B]

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my2hands

That one really stuck with you lol

You're still my boy Watson

Halifax2TheMax

Lets not pretend that the inflamatory rhetoric and demonization of the other side began with the liberals. Oh the hypocrasy.

my2hands

Doesnt matter where it began, it's about where it is at now, and what can i do as a citizen to make it better, or at least not make it worse 

And to be honest... this all feels like one big poltical cycle since 2008... and the first major "gaf" that i remembee is Obama about clinging to guns & religion... that was a broad brush and put off A LOT of people... and then of course Sarah Palin withnthe "real Americans" nonsense... of course the whackiness about Obamas heritage, intentions, socialism... everyone loved the smash hit, "Birth Certificate" lol... and of course HRC with her comment about Trump supporters being a basket of deplorables or something... 

Yeah, more self reflection and less finger pointing are probably a good idea right now

my2hands

But yes, this Trump era has taken it to new toxic levels, obviously... not to bring it up again, but that is why i turned off the news... it only reinforces it and provides everyone an echo chamber... foxnews acting like nothing is wrong and demonizing the otherside... msnbc and cnn acting like the fucking world is ending every day... sensationalizing trivial events, and people (Avenatti 2020, for real?)... finger pointing and demonizing the other side.... paid pundits on both sides that are scripted... fuck mainstream cable news, they feed the problem

We have reached a level of political toxicity that is staggering 

Halifax2TheMax

my2hands said:

Doesnt matter where it began, it's about where it is at now, and what can i do as a citizen to make it better, or at least not make it worse 

And to be honest... this all feels like one big poltical cycle since 2008... and the first major "gaf" that i remembee is Obama about clinging to guns & religion... that was a broad brush and put off A LOT of people... and then of course Sarah Palin withnthe "real Americans" nonsense... of course the whackiness about Obamas heritage, intentions, socialism... everyone loved the smash hit, "Birth Certificate" lol... and of course HRC with her comment about Trump supporters being a basket of deplorables or something... 

Yeah, more self reflection and less finger pointing are probably a good idea right now

Why do you primarily focus on the libs and their transgressions? I also remember Willie Horton. Do you?

PJ_Soul

What has to happen before you think people are right in finger pointing? Just wondering. Like, how bad does Trump have to get do you figure, before it's not elitist for people to direct blame?

unsung

tbergs said:

unsung said:

my2hands said:

Nobody wants to talk about the Pittsburgh shooter not voting for, supporting, or liking Donald Trump? He thought Trump was a globalist surrounded by too many Jews?

I’d say that Trump can’t be blamed for that one but I’m sure some leftist will prove me wrong.

Trump isn't directly to blame for any of them if you want to split hairs about it. He has always done a great job of creating a buffer and playing ignorant when it comes to the meanings of his words. When you pander to white nationalists and racists, it's not like they don't notice. Just like the fuck me eyes you give the random stranger at the bar. No direct overt actions necessary. They know what you want.

Sounds rather tin foil hat time at conspiracy theory story hour.

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

tbergs said:

unsung said:

my2hands said:

Nobody wants to talk about the Pittsburgh shooter not voting for, supporting, or liking Donald Trump? He thought Trump was a globalist surrounded by too many Jews?

I’d say that Trump can’t be blamed for that one but I’m sure some leftist will prove me wrong.

Trump isn't directly to blame for any of them if you want to split hairs about it. He has always done a great job of creating a buffer and playing ignorant when it comes to the meanings of his words. When you pander to white nationalists and racists, it's not like they don't notice. Just like the fuck me eyes you give the random stranger at the bar. No direct overt actions necessary. They know what you want.

Sounds rather tin foil hat time at conspiracy theory story hour.

What? No meme?

unsung

I don't want to upset you.  

Funny how some of you mock memes but then turn around and say that a handful of Russians influenced an election unfairly on social media.  With memes.  Geez, decide already.  

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

I don't want to upset you.  

Funny how some of you mock memes but then turn around and say that a handful of Russians influenced an election unfairly on social media.  With memes.  Geez, decide already.  

C’mom, where’s the most recent one? I kind of like it. The Russian-Team Trump Treason collusion influence campaign was more than just memes. You admit it was an influence. Thanks for the confirmation. 

PJ_Soul

unsung said:

I don't want to upset you.  

Funny how some of you mock memes but then turn around and say that a handful of Russians influenced an election unfairly on social media.  With memes.  Geez, decide already.  

Nobody said the people who fall for Russian bot memes or Trumpster memes are smart and unworthy of mocking. It's like you think people here need to respect Russian memes for them to work on people. But I understand why you think so. The memes seem to work on you.

unsung

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

I don't want to upset you.  

Funny how some of you mock memes but then turn around and say that a handful of Russians influenced an election unfairly on social media.  With memes.  Geez, decide already.  

C’mom, where’s the most recent one? I kind of like it. The Russian-Team Trump Treason collusion influence campaign was more than just memes. You admit it was an influence. Thanks for the confirmation. 

I haven't admitted anything other than acknowledging your words.

The NPC meme? So great.  So true.

unsung

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

I don't want to upset you.  

Funny how some of you mock memes but then turn around and say that a handful of Russians influenced an election unfairly on social media.  With memes.  Geez, decide already.  

Nobody said the people who fall for Russian bot memes or Trumpster memes are smart and unworthy of mocking. It's like you think people here need to respect Russian memes for them to work on people. But I understand why you think so. The memes seem to work on you.

Memes won an election, no? That is what I keep reading.  Seems worthy of some respect if for nothing more than the power.