Wait, so people truly believe the big spike in black votes, then the sudden drop off has nothing to do with the fact a black person was on the ticket? It was all just a coincidence? All the voter suppression just disappeared for those 8 years and suddenly came back without any explanation? That is hilarious if anyone believes that.
mace, not one person has said that. All that a hell of a lot of us are trying to say here is that this is A factor, not THE factor. I'm shocked this is so hard to concede.
Ummm you think any other factor mattered more than having a black guy to vote for? Really?
"More" is different than "Only".
Sure, but it was far more significant. The other factors don't even matter.
Wait, so people truly believe the big spike in black votes, then the sudden drop off has nothing to do with the fact a black person was on the ticket? It was all just a coincidence? All the voter suppression just disappeared for those 8 years and suddenly came back without any explanation? That is hilarious if anyone believes that.
mace, not one person has said that. All that a hell of a lot of us are trying to say here is that this is A factor, not THE factor. I'm shocked this is so hard to concede.
Ummm you think any other factor mattered more than having a black guy to vote for? Really?
"More" is different than "Only".
Sure, but it was far more significant. The other factors don't even matter.
Wait, so people truly believe the big spike in black votes, then the sudden drop off has nothing to do with the fact a black person was on the ticket? It was all just a coincidence? All the voter suppression just disappeared for those 8 years and suddenly came back without any explanation? That is hilarious if anyone believes that.
mace, not one person has said that. All that a hell of a lot of us are trying to say here is that this is A factor, not THE factor. I'm shocked this is so hard to concede.
Ummm you think any other factor mattered more than having a black guy to vote for? Really?
"More" is different than "Only".
Sure, but it was far more significant. The other factors don't even matter.
Back to my point; that's not a provable conclusion. I have not seen data to support that assumption.
Wait, so people truly believe the big spike in black votes, then the sudden drop off has nothing to do with the fact a black person was on the ticket? It was all just a coincidence? All the voter suppression just disappeared for those 8 years and suddenly came back without any explanation? That is hilarious if anyone believes that.
mace, not one person has said that. All that a hell of a lot of us are trying to say here is that this is A factor, not THE factor. I'm shocked this is so hard to concede.
Ummm you think any other factor mattered more than having a black guy to vote for? Really?
"More" is different than "Only".
Sure, but it was far more significant. The other factors don't even matter.
Wait, so people truly believe the big spike in black votes, then the sudden drop off has nothing to do with the fact a black person was on the ticket? It was all just a coincidence? All the voter suppression just disappeared for those 8 years and suddenly came back without any explanation? That is hilarious if anyone believes that.
mace, not one person has said that. All that a hell of a lot of us are trying to say here is that this is A factor, not THE factor. I'm shocked this is so hard to concede.
Ummm you think any other factor mattered more than having a black guy to vote for? Really?
"More" is different than "Only".
Sure, but it was far more significant. The other factors don't even matter.
Back to my point; that's not a provable conclusion. I have not seen data to support that assumption.
Alrighty then....
Let's see the turnout in 2020...depending on the candidate. If it's Biden v Trump there sure will be a lot of creeps voting I think.
Wait, so people truly believe the big spike in black votes, then the sudden drop off has nothing to do with the fact a black person was on the ticket? It was all just a coincidence? All the voter suppression just disappeared for those 8 years and suddenly came back without any explanation? That is hilarious if anyone believes that.
mace, not one person has said that. All that a hell of a lot of us are trying to say here is that this is A factor, not THE factor. I'm shocked this is so hard to concede.
Ummm you think any other factor mattered more than having a black guy to vote for? Really?
"More" is different than "Only".
Sure, but it was far more significant. The other factors don't even matter.
Wait, so people truly believe the big spike in black votes, then the sudden drop off has nothing to do with the fact a black person was on the ticket? It was all just a coincidence? All the voter suppression just disappeared for those 8 years and suddenly came back without any explanation? That is hilarious if anyone believes that.
mace, not one person has said that. All that a hell of a lot of us are trying to say here is that this is A factor, not THE factor. I'm shocked this is so hard to concede.
Ummm you think any other factor mattered more than having a black guy to vote for? Really?
"More" is different than "Only".
Sure, but it was far more significant. The other factors don't even matter.
Back to my point; that's not a provable conclusion. I have not seen data to support that assumption.
Alrighty then....
Let's see the turnout in 2020...depending on the candidate. If it's Biden v Trump there sure will be a lot of creeps voting I think.
This story is consistent with the pew data I posted. But did you notice they didn't hypothesize why? They never posited that it was because no black guy was on the ticket. That's because the data doesn't necessarily support that conclusion. You continue to mingle data with causation.
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Wait, so people truly believe the big spike in black votes, then the sudden drop off has nothing to do with the fact a black person was on the ticket? It was all just a coincidence? All the voter suppression just disappeared for those 8 years and suddenly came back without any explanation? That is hilarious if anyone believes that.
mace, not one person has said that. All that a hell of a lot of us are trying to say here is that this is A factor, not THE factor. I'm shocked this is so hard to concede.
Ummm you think any other factor mattered more than having a black guy to vote for? Really?
"More" is different than "Only".
Sure, but it was far more significant. The other factors don't even matter.
Wait, so people truly believe the big spike in black votes, then the sudden drop off has nothing to do with the fact a black person was on the ticket? It was all just a coincidence? All the voter suppression just disappeared for those 8 years and suddenly came back without any explanation? That is hilarious if anyone believes that.
mace, not one person has said that. All that a hell of a lot of us are trying to say here is that this is A factor, not THE factor. I'm shocked this is so hard to concede.
Ummm you think any other factor mattered more than having a black guy to vote for? Really?
"More" is different than "Only".
Sure, but it was far more significant. The other factors don't even matter.
Back to my point; that's not a provable conclusion. I have not seen data to support that assumption.
Of course it is not "provable." There's no data or research to show if blacks voted for Obama because he was black. That would require people to admit that, and I'm willing to bet most wouldn't. But looking at the statistics it is overwhelmingly obvious. And it was not the ONLY factor, but like cincy said, it was by far the biggest and all the rest are insignificant by comparison. Facts are still first black president from 2008/2012 elections. Black voter turnout were in record numbers for 2008 and 2012 elections. In 2016 it dropped to where it was for previous years. Not only that, but 96% voted for Obama and that dropped to 89% for Hilary. If it was just a general trend you wouldn't see a spike in total votes and democratic votes. They voted in record numbers and by record margins, I don't think any other group in history has voted at 96%. It may not be the only factor, but it is the only factor that had any significant impression.
What other reasons could there be to explain the spike and sudden drop that are as bigger or bigger than the color of the person on the ticket?
Wait, so people truly believe the big spike in black votes, then the sudden drop off has nothing to do with the fact a black person was on the ticket? It was all just a coincidence? All the voter suppression just disappeared for those 8 years and suddenly came back without any explanation? That is hilarious if anyone believes that.
mace, not one person has said that. All that a hell of a lot of us are trying to say here is that this is A factor, not THE factor. I'm shocked this is so hard to concede.
Ummm you think any other factor mattered more than having a black guy to vote for? Really?
"More" is different than "Only".
Sure, but it was far more significant. The other factors don't even matter.
Wait, so people truly believe the big spike in black votes, then the sudden drop off has nothing to do with the fact a black person was on the ticket? It was all just a coincidence? All the voter suppression just disappeared for those 8 years and suddenly came back without any explanation? That is hilarious if anyone believes that.
mace, not one person has said that. All that a hell of a lot of us are trying to say here is that this is A factor, not THE factor. I'm shocked this is so hard to concede.
Ummm you think any other factor mattered more than having a black guy to vote for? Really?
"More" is different than "Only".
Sure, but it was far more significant. The other factors don't even matter.
Back to my point; that's not a provable conclusion. I have not seen data to support that assumption.
Of course it is not "provable." There's no data or research to show if blacks voted for Obama because he was black. That would require people to admit that, and I'm willing to bet most wouldn't. But looking at the statistics it is overwhelmingly obvious. And it was not the ONLY factor, but like cincy said, it was by far the biggest and all the rest are insignificant by comparison. Facts are still first black president from 2008/2012 elections. Black voter turnout were in record numbers for 2008 and 2012 elections. In 2016 it dropped to where it was for previous years. It may not be the only factor, but it is the only factor that had any significant impression.
What other reasons could there be to explain the spike and sudden drop that are as bigger or bigger than the color of the person on the ticket?
Because Obama's campaign targeted them, knowing if they could get them to the polls they would vote for him. Especially in the urban/suburban areas. It's still not easy to get urban poor people to vote, regardless of color. It's difficult to get Americans in general to go out and vote. No Republican would invest the effort to target poor black communities bc it would be a waste of time. It's not so much a case of the black voter going out to vote for a black candidate as it was the candidates campaign getting them out to vote. That is a big difference.
Wait, so people truly believe the big spike in black votes, then the sudden drop off has nothing to do with the fact a black person was on the ticket? It was all just a coincidence? All the voter suppression just disappeared for those 8 years and suddenly came back without any explanation? That is hilarious if anyone believes that.
mace, not one person has said that. All that a hell of a lot of us are trying to say here is that this is A factor, not THE factor. I'm shocked this is so hard to concede.
Ummm you think any other factor mattered more than having a black guy to vote for? Really?
"More" is different than "Only".
Sure, but it was far more significant. The other factors don't even matter.
Wait, so people truly believe the big spike in black votes, then the sudden drop off has nothing to do with the fact a black person was on the ticket? It was all just a coincidence? All the voter suppression just disappeared for those 8 years and suddenly came back without any explanation? That is hilarious if anyone believes that.
mace, not one person has said that. All that a hell of a lot of us are trying to say here is that this is A factor, not THE factor. I'm shocked this is so hard to concede.
Ummm you think any other factor mattered more than having a black guy to vote for? Really?
"More" is different than "Only".
Sure, but it was far more significant. The other factors don't even matter.
Back to my point; that's not a provable conclusion. I have not seen data to support that assumption.
Of course it is not "provable." There's no data or research to show if blacks voted for Obama because he was black. That would require people to admit that, and I'm willing to bet most wouldn't. But looking at the statistics it is overwhelmingly obvious. And it was not the ONLY factor, but like cincy said, it was by far the biggest and all the rest are insignificant by comparison. Facts are still first black president from 2008/2012 elections. Black voter turnout were in record numbers for 2008 and 2012 elections. In 2016 it dropped to where it was for previous years. It may not be the only factor, but it is the only factor that had any significant impression.
What other reasons could there be to explain the spike and sudden drop that are as bigger or bigger than the color of the person on the ticket?
Because Obama's campaign targeted them, knowing if they could get them to the polls they would vote for him. Especially in the urban/suburban areas. It's still not easy to get urban poor people to vote, regardless of color. It's difficult to get Americans in general to go out and vote. No Republican would invest the effort to target poor black communities bc it would be a waste of time. It's not so much a case of the black voter going out to vote for a black candidate as it was the candidates campaign getting them out to vote. That is a big difference.
Wait, so people truly believe the big spike in black votes, then the sudden drop off has nothing to do with the fact a black person was on the ticket? It was all just a coincidence? All the voter suppression just disappeared for those 8 years and suddenly came back without any explanation? That is hilarious if anyone believes that.
mace, not one person has said that. All that a hell of a lot of us are trying to say here is that this is A factor, not THE factor. I'm shocked this is so hard to concede.
Ummm you think any other factor mattered more than having a black guy to vote for? Really?
"More" is different than "Only".
Sure, but it was far more significant. The other factors don't even matter.
Wait, so people truly believe the big spike in black votes, then the sudden drop off has nothing to do with the fact a black person was on the ticket? It was all just a coincidence? All the voter suppression just disappeared for those 8 years and suddenly came back without any explanation? That is hilarious if anyone believes that.
mace, not one person has said that. All that a hell of a lot of us are trying to say here is that this is A factor, not THE factor. I'm shocked this is so hard to concede.
Ummm you think any other factor mattered more than having a black guy to vote for? Really?
"More" is different than "Only".
Sure, but it was far more significant. The other factors don't even matter.
Back to my point; that's not a provable conclusion. I have not seen data to support that assumption.
Of course it is not "provable." There's no data or research to show if blacks voted for Obama because he was black. That would require people to admit that, and I'm willing to bet most wouldn't. But looking at the statistics it is overwhelmingly obvious. And it was not the ONLY factor, but like cincy said, it was by far the biggest and all the rest are insignificant by comparison. Facts are still first black president from 2008/2012 elections. Black voter turnout were in record numbers for 2008 and 2012 elections. In 2016 it dropped to where it was for previous years. It may not be the only factor, but it is the only factor that had any significant impression.
What other reasons could there be to explain the spike and sudden drop that are as bigger or bigger than the color of the person on the ticket?
Because Obama's campaign targeted them, knowing if they could get them to the polls they would vote for him. Especially in the urban/suburban areas. It's still not easy to get urban poor people to vote, regardless of color. It's difficult to get Americans in general to go out and vote. No Republican would invest the effort to target poor black communities bc it would be a waste of time. It's not so much a case of the black voter going out to vote for a black candidate as it was the candidates campaign getting them out to vote. That is a big difference.
So the campaign knew the black communities would vote for a black president and campaigned accordingly is what you're saying? I could agree with that, and is essentially what I've been saying. They voted for him because he;s black, you only added that the campaign was aware and made a strategy of that. Who wouldn't?
Wait, so people truly believe the big spike in black votes, then the sudden drop off has nothing to do with the fact a black person was on the ticket? It was all just a coincidence? All the voter suppression just disappeared for those 8 years and suddenly came back without any explanation? That is hilarious if anyone believes that.
mace, not one person has said that. All that a hell of a lot of us are trying to say here is that this is A factor, not THE factor. I'm shocked this is so hard to concede.
Ummm you think any other factor mattered more than having a black guy to vote for? Really?
"More" is different than "Only".
Sure, but it was far more significant. The other factors don't even matter.
Wait, so people truly believe the big spike in black votes, then the sudden drop off has nothing to do with the fact a black person was on the ticket? It was all just a coincidence? All the voter suppression just disappeared for those 8 years and suddenly came back without any explanation? That is hilarious if anyone believes that.
mace, not one person has said that. All that a hell of a lot of us are trying to say here is that this is A factor, not THE factor. I'm shocked this is so hard to concede.
Ummm you think any other factor mattered more than having a black guy to vote for? Really?
"More" is different than "Only".
Sure, but it was far more significant. The other factors don't even matter.
Back to my point; that's not a provable conclusion. I have not seen data to support that assumption.
Of course it is not "provable." There's no data or research to show if blacks voted for Obama because he was black. That would require people to admit that, and I'm willing to bet most wouldn't. But looking at the statistics it is overwhelmingly obvious. And it was not the ONLY factor, but like cincy said, it was by far the biggest and all the rest are insignificant by comparison. Facts are still first black president from 2008/2012 elections. Black voter turnout were in record numbers for 2008 and 2012 elections. In 2016 it dropped to where it was for previous years. It may not be the only factor, but it is the only factor that had any significant impression.
What other reasons could there be to explain the spike and sudden drop that are as bigger or bigger than the color of the person on the ticket?
Because Obama's campaign targeted them, knowing if they could get them to the polls they would vote for him. Especially in the urban/suburban areas. It's still not easy to get urban poor people to vote, regardless of color. It's difficult to get Americans in general to go out and vote. No Republican would invest the effort to target poor black communities bc it would be a waste of time. It's not so much a case of the black voter going out to vote for a black candidate as it was the candidates campaign getting them out to vote. That is a big difference.
So the campaign knew the black communities would vote for a black president and campaigned accordingly is what you're saying? I could agree with that, and is essentially what I've been saying. They voted for him because he;s black, you only added that the campaign was aware and made a strategy of that. Who wouldn't?
Anyone here buy a pencil neck Adam Schiff t-shirt yet? I like the light blue color myself but am holding out to see what other hues they do.
lol have you not been watching the news today damn dude you celebrated the win of round 1 of a 15 round fight , today your boy lost tell us do you know where the Baffoon’s father was born ? Cause he sure as fuck doesn’t !
Anyone here buy a pencil neck Adam Schiff t-shirt yet? I like the light blue color myself but am holding out to see what other hues they do.
Some on Mueller’s Team Say Report Was More Damaging Than Barr Revealed
Some of Robert S. Mueller III’s investigators have told associates that Attorney General William P. Barr failed to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry and that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. Barr indicated, according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations.
At stake in the dispute — the first evidence of tension between Mr. Barr and the special counsel’s office — is who shapes the public’s initial understanding of one of the most consequential government investigations in American history. Some members of Mr. Mueller’s team are concerned that, because Mr. Barr created the first narrative of the special counsel’s findings, Americans’ views will have hardened before the investigation’s conclusions become public.
Anyone here buy a pencil neck Adam Schiff t-shirt yet? I like the light blue color myself but am holding out to see what other hues they do.
I’d like to think that even if I was on Team Red, I would not buy t-shirts that Totally Own the Libs.
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Mueller’s Team Gathered ‘Alarming’ Trump Obstruction Evidence: Washington Post
The Washington Post has backed up the New York Times report from late Wednesday that some members of Robert Mueller’s team have said the special counsel report is much worse for the president than was suggested by Attorney General William Barr. In its report, the Post goes a step further, claiming some members of Mueller’s team have complained to close associates that they gathered “alarming and significant” evidence of obstruction by President Trump. “It was much more acute than Barr suggested,” one source is reported to have said.
Mueller’s Team Gathered ‘Alarming’ Trump Obstruction Evidence: Washington Post
The Washington Post has backed up the New York Times report from late Wednesday that some members of Robert Mueller’s team have said the special counsel report is much worse for the president than was suggested by Attorney General William Barr. In its report, the Post goes a step further, claiming some members of Mueller’s team have complained to close associates that they gathered “alarming and significant” evidence of obstruction by President Trump. “It was much more acute than Barr suggested,” one source is reported to have said.
I wasn't surprised at all that Barr (appointed by Trump for this very purpose) stated everything to benefit his boss. I'm also not surprised that Trump is taking a victory lap saying he's been "fully exonerated" even though Barr himself said that the findings did not fully exonerate Trump from the obstruction charge. Such a shitshow and an absolute embarrassment.
Mueller’s Team Gathered ‘Alarming’ Trump Obstruction Evidence: Washington Post
The Washington Post has backed up the New York Times report from late Wednesday that some members of Robert Mueller’s team have said the special counsel report is much worse for the president than was suggested by Attorney General William Barr. In its report, the Post goes a step further, claiming some members of Mueller’s team have complained to close associates that they gathered “alarming and significant” evidence of obstruction by President Trump. “It was much more acute than Barr suggested,” one source is reported to have said.
I wasn't surprised at all that Barr (appointed by Trump for this very purpose) stated everything to benefit his boss. I'm also not surprised that Trump is taking a victory lap saying he's been "fully exonerated" even though Barr himself said that the findings did not fully exonerate Trump from the obstruction charge. Such a shitshow and an absolute embarrassment.
But where are all the law and order repubs that went after both Clinton’s and Obama relentlessly. Ahhh, obstruction of justice? No big deal, I guess.
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Let's see the turnout in 2020...depending on the candidate. If it's Biden v Trump there sure will be a lot of creeps voting I think.
But, whatever lol
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/10/black-election-turnout-down-2016-census-survey-238226
Maybe the weather was nice? Joe Bidens smile? lol
I would go Franks... but i do like Siracha... or a nice Louisiana style like Crystal...... maybe Cholula?
So many choices for her.... she panders pretty hard, so i'm going Cholula
And it was not the ONLY factor, but like cincy said, it was by far the biggest and all the rest are insignificant by comparison.
Facts are still first black president from 2008/2012 elections. Black voter turnout were in record numbers for 2008 and 2012 elections. In 2016 it dropped to where it was for previous years. Not only that, but 96% voted for Obama and that dropped to 89% for Hilary. If it was just a general trend you wouldn't see a spike in total votes and democratic votes. They voted in record numbers and by record margins, I don't think any other group in history has voted at 96%. It may not be the only factor, but it is the only factor that had any significant impression.
What other reasons could there be to explain the spike and sudden drop that are as bigger or bigger than the color of the person on the ticket?
Eddiec with great points.
“Obstruction of justice.”
”Abuse of power.”
“Corruption.”
otherwise known as “High crimes and misdemeanors,”
Round two has started..
Some on Mueller’s Team Say Report Was More Damaging Than Barr Revealed
Some of Robert S. Mueller III’s investigators have told associates that Attorney General William P. Barr failed to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry and that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. Barr indicated, according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations.
At stake in the dispute — the first evidence of tension between Mr. Barr and the special counsel’s office — is who shapes the public’s initial understanding of one of the most consequential government investigations in American history. Some members of Mr. Mueller’s team are concerned that, because Mr. Barr created the first narrative of the special counsel’s findings, Americans’ views will have hardened before the investigation’s conclusions become public.
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interesting... but i'm not holding my breath lol, even Obama handed it over to the lobbyists
Mueller’s Team Gathered ‘Alarming’ Trump Obstruction Evidence: Washington Post
The Washington Post has backed up the New York Times report from late Wednesday that some members of Robert Mueller’s team have said the special counsel report is much worse for the president than was suggested by Attorney General William Barr. In its report, the Post goes a step further, claiming some members of Mueller’s team have complained to close associates that they gathered “alarming and significant” evidence of obstruction by President Trump. “It was much more acute than Barr suggested,” one source is reported to have said.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/muellers-team-gathered-alarming-trump-obstruction-evidence-washington-post
And water is wet.
I wasn't surprised at all that Barr (appointed by Trump for this very purpose) stated everything to benefit his boss. I'm also not surprised that Trump is taking a victory lap saying he's been "fully exonerated" even though Barr himself said that the findings did not fully exonerate Trump from the obstruction charge. Such a shitshow and an absolute embarrassment.
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