Yes they are weaponizing it, and she should have been smarter. That's been my point as well. They gave the Trump side an opening and it's been exploited. It was going to be weaponized as soon as she typed it. Her Democratic colleagues were offended. They are Jewish. They were offended and saw the trope. You can't say they fucked it up. She fucked it up to start. And Pelosi was forced into damage control and did the best she could to move past it while mollifying her own constituency.
I can't say that because she was 100% right when it comes to the relationship the US has with Israel, and I'm not about to say that someone fucked up by being honest. I just wish more of them would talk about it. Her only mistake was being the one brave enough to say it out loud IMO. I can indeed say they fucked it up, and I'm not inclined to side with the ones who are offended Jews, because I don't believe it's right that they are offended. If the Dems had any balls at all, they would have stood behind her and finally initiated a REAL conversation about the US/Israel situation.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
You are completely missing the point, or just don't want to acknowledge it. No one is saying the Dems are as 'bad' as Republicans in this sense. But there are humans on both sides of the aisle that are terrible, terrible people. If you want me to name some on the liberal side, it would be pretty easy. Plus, liberal groups have picked up on the right wing strategy of publishing lies on memes and on facebook. Just last week there was the fake Trump report card. It got outed pretty quickly, but it's the same bullshit that right wingers post. We all laugh about it, but I guarantee there are lots of people who believe it to be true.
Yes, please name the terrible, terrible people on the “liberal side.” And how do you know that the false report card was posted by “liberal groups?” I suggest you read the intelligence report regarding troll farms and sowing seeds of discord. The difference I see is that we hold our side more accountable and when I say our side, I’m referring to the dem Establishment. We shout ours down and are more critical of our leadership, less likely to walk in lockstep, to issue retractions and god forbid, apologize. And when we do, we’re painted as weak, feminine, etc., etc. Maybe you don’t see that?
Harvey Weinstein, Justin Smollett, Kevin Spacey, Gov. Northam, Lt Gov, Justin Fairfax, Ilhan Omar, Bob Menendez, Keith Ellison...
Now you're going to name a bunch of right wingers, but that's not the point. Of course you can. And yes, I know the troll farms hit both sides, but our side is taken by them too. People forward that bullshit on to me, and it's as easy to pick apart as the right wing bs. It's teh same damn thing.
In what world is Ilhan Omar a terrible, terrible person?
She’s young and off to a great start! Give her time!!!
Yes they are weaponizing it, and she should have been smarter. That's been my point as well. They gave the Trump side an opening and it's been exploited. It was going to be weaponized as soon as she typed it. Her Democratic colleagues were offended. They are Jewish. They were offended and saw the trope. You can't say they fucked it up. She fucked it up to start. And Pelosi was forced into damage control and did the best she could to move past it while mollifying her own constituency.
I can't say that because she was 100% right when it comes to the relationship the US has with Israel, and I'm not about to say that someone fucked up by being honest. I just wish more of them would talk about it. Her only mistake was being the one brave enough to say it out loud IMO. I can indeed say they fucked it up, and I'm not inclined to side with the ones who are offended Jews, because I don't believe it's right that they are offended. If the Dems had any balls at all, they would have stood behind her and finally initiated a REAL conversation about the US/Israel situation.
I tend to agree about her comments.
I also can’t believe any women would be Muslim....or any person would take their kid to a Catholic Church...so what do I know
Yes they are weaponizing it, and she should have been smarter. That's been my point as well. They gave the Trump side an opening and it's been exploited. It was going to be weaponized as soon as she typed it. Her Democratic colleagues were offended. They are Jewish. They were offended and saw the trope. You can't say they fucked it up. She fucked it up to start. And Pelosi was forced into damage control and did the best she could to move past it while mollifying her own constituency.
I can't say that because she was 100% right when it comes to the relationship the US has with Israel, and I'm not about to say that someone fucked up by being honest. I just wish more of them would talk about it. Her only mistake was being the one brave enough to say it out loud IMO. I can indeed say they fucked it up, and I'm not inclined to side with the ones who are offended Jews, because I don't believe it's right that they are offended. If the Dems had any balls at all, they would have stood behind her and finally initiated a REAL conversation about the US/Israel situation.
I tend to agree about her comments.
I also can’t believe any women would be Muslim....or any person would take their kid to a Catholic Church...so what do I know
Most religious people were born into it, meaning that they were brainwashed from birth, whatever the faith. They know nothing else, and simply truly believe the religious dogma they were taught, and lived in the middle of the culture that facilitates that, even if it is an impediment to them. I don't find that so hard to understand (although do find it hard to get how anyone believes the dogma - to me it seems ludicrous, but somehow people believe it like they believe their own existence). I do think it's very unfortunate though.
As for the Catholic Church and the pedo stuff... well, that's the reason Catholics have been leaving the Church in droves and why the Church is in permanent crisis now. They are working hard to try and bring some back, but it's probably ultimately too late... The Church will be around for a long time to come, but its power will likely dwindle more and more over time, and in a couple Centuries it will probably be a fringe religion.... Unless somehow there is a resurgence... if something really fucked in the world happens, like a massive pandemic or WWIII, that's possible too. They really do need to cut it out with the sexual repression and sexism though. That just isn't flying with most modern people anymore.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
There are a lot of Jewish people who say that any criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, but that doesn’t make them correct. There are a lot of Americans who say that any criticism of the US is anti-American, but that doesn’t make them correct.
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Yes they are weaponizing it, and she should have been smarter. That's been my point as well. They gave the Trump side an opening and it's been exploited. It was going to be weaponized as soon as she typed it. Her Democratic colleagues were offended. They are Jewish. They were offended and saw the trope. You can't say they fucked it up. She fucked it up to start. And Pelosi was forced into damage control and did the best she could to move past it while mollifying her own constituency.
I can't say that because she was 100% right when it comes to the relationship the US has with Israel, and I'm not about to say that someone fucked up by being honest. I just wish more of them would talk about it. Her only mistake was being the one brave enough to say it out loud IMO. I can indeed say they fucked it up, and I'm not inclined to side with the ones who are offended Jews, because I don't believe it's right that they are offended. If the Dems had any balls at all, they would have stood behind her and finally initiated a REAL conversation about the US/Israel situation.
I tend to agree about her comments.
I also can’t believe any women would be Muslim....or any person would take their kid to a Catholic Church...so what do I know
Most religious people were born into it, meaning that they were brainwashed from birth, whatever the faith. They know nothing else, and simply truly believe the religious dogma they were taught, and lived in the middle of the culture that facilitates that, even if it is an impediment to them. I don't find that so hard to understand (although do find it hard to get how anyone believes the dogma - to me it seems ludicrous, but somehow people believe it like they believe their own existence). I do think it's very unfortunate though.
As for the Catholic Church and the pedo stuff... well, that's the reason Catholics have been leaving the Church in droves and why the Church is in permanent crisis now. They are working hard to try and bring some back, but it's probably ultimately too late... The Church will be around for a long time to come, but its power will likely dwindle more and more over time, and in a couple Centuries it will probably be a fringe religion.... Unless somehow there is a resurgence... if something really fucked in the world happens, like a massive pandemic or WWIII, that's possible too. They really do need to cut it out with the sexual repression and sexism though. That just isn't flying with most modern people anymore.
I just typed a long thing and erased it.
Please don't refer to people who went to a Catholic school or who choose to practice their Jewish or Muslim faiths brainwashed. There are certain things that you are taught that stay with you but brainwashed is too severe a term and it also sounds condescending. It makes it sound like only people who are atheists have any idea of what is going on. I don't go to church anymore, I stopped when I went to public high school (which pissed the nuns off immensely) and there was a lot of bad shit that went on but also there were some really good people. I had my son baptized by a Catholic priest who runs sobriety retreats - had to do it - and I had him receive Communion at an Episcopal Church with my sister's girls. My sister started going to Church in her 40's after being an atheist most of her life. The priest is an ex Catholic priest who is gay and is an awesome person. They got gluten free hosts just for my son. My sister felt a sense of community there and when she was dying she found a lot of comfort in speaking with the priest. So did I and so did my mom. I don't know what created everything (aside from the scientific realities) but I like to think that my dad and sis and bro are all together somewhere; another dimension? IDK. My dad was my higher power during my early years of sobriety, he had died when I was weeks clean and it was the only connection I could make and it worked. Who am I to think I know better than other people? If it brings them comfort and they are good people and not hypocritical aholes telling me how to live, then fine. I don't have it all figured out. (This is the short version )
Yes they are weaponizing it, and she should have been smarter. That's been my point as well. They gave the Trump side an opening and it's been exploited. It was going to be weaponized as soon as she typed it. Her Democratic colleagues were offended. They are Jewish. They were offended and saw the trope. You can't say they fucked it up. She fucked it up to start. And Pelosi was forced into damage control and did the best she could to move past it while mollifying her own constituency.
I can't say that because she was 100% right when it comes to the relationship the US has with Israel, and I'm not about to say that someone fucked up by being honest. I just wish more of them would talk about it. Her only mistake was being the one brave enough to say it out loud IMO. I can indeed say they fucked it up, and I'm not inclined to side with the ones who are offended Jews, because I don't believe it's right that they are offended. If the Dems had any balls at all, they would have stood behind her and finally initiated a REAL conversation about the US/Israel situation.
I tend to agree about her comments.
I also can’t believe any women would be Muslim....or any person would take their kid to a Catholic Church...so what do I know
Most religious people were born into it, meaning that they were brainwashed from birth, whatever the faith. They know nothing else, and simply truly believe the religious dogma they were taught, and lived in the middle of the culture that facilitates that, even if it is an impediment to them. I don't find that so hard to understand (although do find it hard to get how anyone believes the dogma - to me it seems ludicrous, but somehow people believe it like they believe their own existence). I do think it's very unfortunate though.
As for the Catholic Church and the pedo stuff... well, that's the reason Catholics have been leaving the Church in droves and why the Church is in permanent crisis now. They are working hard to try and bring some back, but it's probably ultimately too late... The Church will be around for a long time to come, but its power will likely dwindle more and more over time, and in a couple Centuries it will probably be a fringe religion.... Unless somehow there is a resurgence... if something really fucked in the world happens, like a massive pandemic or WWIII, that's possible too. They really do need to cut it out with the sexual repression and sexism though. That just isn't flying with most modern people anymore.
I just typed a long thing and erased it.
Please don't refer to people who went to a Catholic school or who choose to practice their Jewish or Muslim faiths brainwashed. There are certain things that you are taught that stay with you but brainwashed is too severe a term and it also sounds condescending. It makes it sound like only people who are atheists have any idea of what is going on. I don't go to church anymore, I stopped when I went to public high school (which pissed the nuns off immensely) and there was a lot of bad shit that went on but also there were some really good people. I had my son baptized by a Catholic priest who runs sobriety retreats - had to do it - and I had him receive Communion at an Episcopal Church with my sister's girls. My sister started going to Church in her 40's after being an atheist most of her life. The priest is an ex Catholic priest who is gay and is an awesome person. They got gluten free hosts just for my son. My sister felt a sense of community there and when she was dying she found a lot of comfort in speaking with the priest. So did I and so did my mom. I don't know what created everything (aside from the scientific realities) but I like to think that my dad and sis and bro are all together somewhere; another dimension? IDK. My dad was my higher power during my early years of sobriety, he had died when I was weeks clean and it was the only connection I could make and it worked. Who am I to think I know better than other people? If it brings them comfort and they are good people and not hypocritical aholes telling me how to live, then fine. I don't have it all figured out. (This is the short version )
I'm with you all the way here. I was brought up Catholic, being from Cleveland where everyone was Catholic. I 'left' the church as soon as I could make my own choices, but I also baptized and confirmed all three of my children. It was mostly out of tradition and to make the grandparents on both sides happy. Nothing wrong with that. You also can't discount the wealth of knowledge and wisdom that can come from reading the Bible. The stories are timeless, so long as you treat them as parables and guideposts (New Testament) vs. a history book. I don't judge people on their religion at all. When I'm facing death, there's a really good chance I circle back to it.
You are completely missing the point, or just don't want to acknowledge it. No one is saying the Dems are as 'bad' as Republicans in this sense. But there are humans on both sides of the aisle that are terrible, terrible people. If you want me to name some on the liberal side, it would be pretty easy. Plus, liberal groups have picked up on the right wing strategy of publishing lies on memes and on facebook. Just last week there was the fake Trump report card. It got outed pretty quickly, but it's the same bullshit that right wingers post. We all laugh about it, but I guarantee there are lots of people who believe it to be true.
Yes, please name the terrible, terrible people on the “liberal side.” And how do you know that the false report card was posted by “liberal groups?” I suggest you read the intelligence report regarding troll farms and sowing seeds of discord. The difference I see is that we hold our side more accountable and when I say our side, I’m referring to the dem Establishment. We shout ours down and are more critical of our leadership, less likely to walk in lockstep, to issue retractions and god forbid, apologize. And when we do, we’re painted as weak, feminine, etc., etc. Maybe you don’t see that?
Harvey Weinstein, Justin Smollett, Kevin Spacey, Gov. Northam, Lt Gov, Justin Fairfax, Ilhan Omar, Bob Menendez, Keith Ellison...
Now you're going to name a bunch of right wingers, but that's not the point. Of course you can. And yes, I know the troll farms hit both sides, but our side is taken by them too. People forward that bullshit on to me, and it's as easy to pick apart as the right wing bs. It's teh same damn thing.
In what world is Ilhan Omar a terrible, terrible person?
She’s young and off to a great start! Give her time!!!
If her objective is divide the caucus and create distractions, then she is a pro already.
You are completely missing the point, or just don't want to acknowledge it. No one is saying the Dems are as 'bad' as Republicans in this sense. But there are humans on both sides of the aisle that are terrible, terrible people. If you want me to name some on the liberal side, it would be pretty easy. Plus, liberal groups have picked up on the right wing strategy of publishing lies on memes and on facebook. Just last week there was the fake Trump report card. It got outed pretty quickly, but it's the same bullshit that right wingers post. We all laugh about it, but I guarantee there are lots of people who believe it to be true.
Yes, please name the terrible, terrible people on the “liberal side.” And how do you know that the false report card was posted by “liberal groups?” I suggest you read the intelligence report regarding troll farms and sowing seeds of discord. The difference I see is that we hold our side more accountable and when I say our side, I’m referring to the dem Establishment. We shout ours down and are more critical of our leadership, less likely to walk in lockstep, to issue retractions and god forbid, apologize. And when we do, we’re painted as weak, feminine, etc., etc. Maybe you don’t see that?
Harvey Weinstein, Justin Smollett, Kevin Spacey, Gov. Northam, Lt Gov, Justin Fairfax, Ilhan Omar, Bob Menendez, Keith Ellison...
Now you're going to name a bunch of right wingers, but that's not the point. Of course you can. And yes, I know the troll farms hit both sides, but our side is taken by them too. People forward that bullshit on to me, and it's as easy to pick apart as the right wing bs. It's teh same damn thing.
In what world is Ilhan Omar a terrible, terrible person?
She’s young and off to a great start! Give her time!!!
If her objective is divide the caucus and create distractions, then she is a pro already.
I think that cincy is being sarcastic but I cannot be certain.
You are completely missing the point, or just don't want to acknowledge it. No one is saying the Dems are as 'bad' as Republicans in this sense. But there are humans on both sides of the aisle that are terrible, terrible people. If you want me to name some on the liberal side, it would be pretty easy. Plus, liberal groups have picked up on the right wing strategy of publishing lies on memes and on facebook. Just last week there was the fake Trump report card. It got outed pretty quickly, but it's the same bullshit that right wingers post. We all laugh about it, but I guarantee there are lots of people who believe it to be true.
Yes, please name the terrible, terrible people on the “liberal side.” And how do you know that the false report card was posted by “liberal groups?” I suggest you read the intelligence report regarding troll farms and sowing seeds of discord. The difference I see is that we hold our side more accountable and when I say our side, I’m referring to the dem Establishment. We shout ours down and are more critical of our leadership, less likely to walk in lockstep, to issue retractions and god forbid, apologize. And when we do, we’re painted as weak, feminine, etc., etc. Maybe you don’t see that?
Harvey Weinstein, Justin Smollett, Kevin Spacey, Gov. Northam, Lt Gov, Justin Fairfax, Ilhan Omar, Bob Menendez, Keith Ellison...
Now you're going to name a bunch of right wingers, but that's not the point. Of course you can. And yes, I know the troll farms hit both sides, but our side is taken by them too. People forward that bullshit on to me, and it's as easy to pick apart as the right wing bs. It's teh same damn thing.
In what world is Ilhan Omar a terrible, terrible person?
She’s young and off to a great start! Give her time!!!
If her objective is divide the caucus and create distractions, then she is a pro already.
I think that cincy is being sarcastic but I cannot be certain.
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Dude, read for comprehension. I've told you seven times that I don't think the Democrats are "worse".
But you seemingly want to hold dems/libs to a higher standard. No need for snippiness. Taking shit personally when I post an opinion related to the theme you started. Get a cup of joe. Sheesh.
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Dude, read for comprehension. I've told you seven times that I don't think the Democrats are "worse".
But you seemingly want to hold dems/libs to a higher standard. No need for snippiness. Taking shit personally when I post an opinion related to the theme you started. Get a cup of joe. Sheesh.
I want to hold progressives to a higher standard than non-progressives, and don't think there's anything wrong with that. Standards are one of the differentiators between progressives and non-progressives - I don't ever want to be misconstrued as the latter.
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Outside Mar-I-Lieo, courtesy of the NYT. Show me the dem/lib equivalent.
Dude, read for comprehension. I've told you seven times that I don't think the Democrats are "worse".
But you seemingly want to hold dems/libs to a higher standard. No need for snippiness. Taking shit personally when I post an opinion related to the theme you started. Get a cup of joe. Sheesh.
no, he doesn't. you just refuse to listen to the point being made.
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Ask for psycho dems and you shall receive.
I believe she was widely condemned by both sides, investigated by the Secret Service and has since been ostracized and blown away inot the dustbin of history. In fact, I don't even recall her name and haven't seen nor heard of her since. If that had been a Team Trump Treason supporter with Obama's head, she would have been made SOS or VP.
Outside Mar-I-Lieo, courtesy of the NYT. Show me the dem/lib equivalent.
Ask for psycho dems and you shall receive.
I believe she was widely condemned by both sides, investigated by the Secret Service and has since been ostracized and blown away inot the dustbin of history. In fact, I don't even recall her name and haven't seen nor heard of her since. If that had been a Team Trump Treason supporter with Obama's head, she would have been made SOS or VP.
Okay so you were supportive of fellow liberals holding her accountable because what she did was wrong, even though the Republican's house isn't in order? Or were you against condemning her because some lady has a sign outside Mar A Lago?
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I also can’t believe any women would be Muslim....or any person would take their kid to a Catholic Church...so what do I know
Please don't refer to people who went to a Catholic school or who choose to practice their Jewish or Muslim faiths brainwashed. There are certain things that you are taught that stay with you but brainwashed is too severe a term and it also sounds condescending. It makes it sound like only people who are atheists have any idea of what is going on. I don't go to church anymore, I stopped when I went to public high school (which pissed the nuns off immensely) and there was a lot of bad shit that went on but also there were some really good people. I had my son baptized by a Catholic priest who runs sobriety retreats - had to do it - and I had him receive Communion at an Episcopal Church with my sister's girls. My sister started going to Church in her 40's after being an atheist most of her life. The priest is an ex Catholic priest who is gay and is an awesome person. They got gluten free hosts just for my son. My sister felt a sense of community there and when she was dying she found a lot of comfort in speaking with the priest. So did I and so did my mom. I don't know what created everything (aside from the scientific realities) but I like to think that my dad and sis and bro are all together somewhere; another dimension? IDK. My dad was my higher power during my early years of sobriety, he had died when I was weeks clean and it was the only connection I could make and it worked. Who am I to think I know better than other people? If it brings them comfort and they are good people and not hypocritical aholes telling me how to live, then fine. I don't have it all figured out. (This is the short version
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