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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,095
    Or if people would've voted. This is on us. 
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/06/06/trump-is-now-raging-at-jeff-sessions-this-hints-at-a-deeply-unsettling-pattern/?utm_term=.9ae6f941c6b9&wpisrc=nl_most-draw10&wpmm=1

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/06/06/the-trump-administration-has-a-recruiting-problem/?utm_term=.e822c0c0800c&wpisrc=nl_most-draw10&wpmm=1

    President Trump, after days of lashing out angrily at the London mayor and federal courts in the wake of the London Bridge terrorist attack, faces a convergence of challenges this week that threatens to exacerbate the fury that has gripped him — and that could further hobble a Republican agenda that has slowed to a crawl on Capitol Hill.Instead of hunkering down and delicately navigating the legal and political thicket — as some White House aides have suggested — Trump spent much of Monday launching volleys on Twitter, unable to resist continuing, in effect, as his own lawyer, spokesman, cheerleader and media watchdog.Trump escalated his criticism of London Mayor Sadiq Khan, incorrectly stating that Khan had told Londoners to not be “alarmed” about terrorism. He vented about the Justice Department, which he said pushed a “politically correct” version of his policy to block immigration from six predominantly Muslim countries, which Trump signed before it was halted in court. He also complained that Senate Democrats are “taking forever to approve” his appointees and ambassadors.Inside the White House, top officials have in various ways gently suggested to Trump over the past week that he should leave the feuding to surrogates, according to two people who were not authorized to speak publicly. But Trump has repeatedly shrugged off that advice, these people said.Untenable.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,058
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    edited June 2017
    Or if people would've voted. This is on us. 
    Yep. Or if voters hadn't allowed themselves to be talked into the idea that Clinton was evil, even worse than Trump... Which is, of course, absolutely ridiculous.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908

    At work I just spoke with a woman who works at Wharton School of Business and I go "Oh wow, you have a very famous alumni right now, huh?"


    Her reply was pretty telling: "Ugh....yeah, supposedly. We don't like to talk about him much around here."

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Hillary is about as authentic as Cheez Wiz and continues to show why so many just flat out don't liker her or trust her

    She admits fault just about as often as Trump does. Never.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    edited June 2017
    my2hands said:
    Hillary is about as authentic as Cheez Wiz and continues to show why so many just flat out don't liker her or trust her

    She admits fault just about as often as Trump does. Never.
    Uh huh. But choosing Trump over her is insane or just plain stupid. I think it was extremely irresponsible for people to vote for him.
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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    I never thought she would lose.  She won my state.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    Hillary is about as authentic as Cheez Wiz and continues to show why so many just flat out don't liker her or trust her

    She admits fault just about as often as Trump does. Never.
    Uh huh. But choosing Trump over her is insane or just plain stupid. I think it was extremely irresponsible for people to vote for him.

    two horrible candidates.....however one was a rational human being and the other was not. unfortunately the irrational idiot won.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,058
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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,727
    I think Hillary's "horrible" candidacy is overstated.  How many times does someone that experienced run for the presidency?  As far as policy... it would likely be a continuation of Obama's terms for the most part, which were positive.  We would also have Bill Clinton in a role that amounts to the closest adviser.  She is kind of unlikable personality-wise and lacks charisma which, in the age of the election becoming reality television doomed her.

    With Bernie Sanders there... it shined a negative light on Clinton and the Democratic establishment.  

    I love Bernie... but he really put his high cost propositions in front of him, and also never would back down from his "Democratic Socialist" label.  In a general election, he would be extremely vulnerable.    
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    Hillary is about as authentic as Cheez Wiz and continues to show why so many just flat out don't liker her or trust her

    She admits fault just about as often as Trump does. Never.
    Uh huh. But choosing Trump over her is insane or just plain stupid. I think it was extremely irresponsible for people to vote for him.

    two horrible candidates.....however one was a rational human being and the other was not. unfortunately the irrational idiot won.
    I don't even think you can call Clinton horrible if you're going to call Trump horrible too. His horribleness was and is on such a different level that it doesn't work to use the same word for both people. Anyway, the short version of the story is that the voters are responsible for this whole situation, more than anyone else.
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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
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  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Posts: 16,444
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    Hillary is about as authentic as Cheez Wiz and continues to show why so many just flat out don't liker her or trust her

    She admits fault just about as often as Trump does. Never.
    Uh huh. But choosing Trump over her is insane or just plain stupid. I think it was extremely irresponsible for people to vote for him.

    two horrible candidates.....however one was a rational human being and the other was not. unfortunately the irrational idiot won.
    I don't even think you can call Clinton horrible if you're going to call Trump horrible too. His horribleness was and is on such a different level that it doesn't work to use the same word for both people. Anyway, the short version of the story is that the voters are responsible for this whole situation, more than anyone else.
    Trump voters and non-voters.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,095
    I think I just read trump and 'delicately navigating' in the same sentence. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,058

    He signs a bill? What bill? Does the bill have a name? Or is it a $100 bank note?

    Today's Events

    11:00 AM: President Trump meets with National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster

    2:00 PM: Press Briefing with Press Secretary Sean Spicer - Watch

    3:00 PM: President Trump meets with House and Senate Leadership

    4:30 PM: President Trump signs a bill

    6:30 PM: President Trump has dinner with Members of Congress

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  • Kat said:
    An anti name-calling post.   I like. :)
    Seriously, it's something that p*sses people off the most and causes more arguing instead of honest and sincere discussion. People don't forget when someone calls them an a-hole, etc. It creates walls instead of bridges. That's why we have the Posting Guideline. Just wanted to put in a few cents. Have a beautiful weekend. 

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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,095
    I want to know who he makes eat the meat loaf at dinner. 
  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    edited June 2017
    The binary black OR white 2 party electoral system is rigged.  That's why it was easy to fuck with. Between the far too long primary procedure and the joke that is the Electoral College it must be changed if not totally scrapped.

    What if everyone ran for president for a month with zero outside $$? One nationwide vote with the top three vote getters  having a runoff two weeks later.  Two 3 hour debates between the 3 candidates, one the night after the initial election, and the second one with 1 week to go. Then you open it up for a week of early voting.  Strictly Popular vote.  6 weeks as opposed to a year and a half.

    What if we had a real STATESMAN or STATESWOMAN as our President again and not this effing clown?
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  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Posts: 16,444

    He signs a bill? What bill? Does the bill have a name? Or is it a $100 bank note?

    Today's Events

    11:00 AM: President Trump meets with National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster

    2:00 PM: Press Briefing with Press Secretary Sean Spicer - Watch

    3:00 PM: President Trump meets with House and Senate Leadership

    4:30 PM: President Trump signs a bill

    6:30 PM: President Trump has dinner with Members of Congress

    Probably just some idiot wanting to get his MAGA hat autographed.
  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,727
    here's Bill

  • fifefife Posts: 3,327

    He signs a bill? What bill? Does the bill have a name? Or is it a $100 bank note?

    Today's Events

    11:00 AM: President Trump meets with National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster

    2:00 PM: Press Briefing with Press Secretary Sean Spicer - Watch

    3:00 PM: President Trump meets with House and Senate Leadership

    4:30 PM: President Trump signs a bill

    6:30 PM: President Trump has dinner with Members of Congress

    Let me add some more parts to those events:
    6 am: watch fox and friends and tweet some crazy shit that no one understand
    6:15am: insult his wife on twitter
    6:20 am :tweets something else that is the opposite of what his staff told the press.
    6:30 Calls Putin to see what he would like the Donald to do next
  • Tiki said:
    The binary black OR white 2 party electoral system is rigged.  That's why it was easy to fuck with. Between the far too long primary procedure and the joke that is the Electoral College it must be changed if not totally scrapped.

    What if everyone ran for president for a month with zero outside $$? One nationwide vote with the top three vote getters  having a runoff two weeks later.  Two 3 hour debates between the 3 candidates, one the night after the initial election, and the second one with 1 week to go. Then you open it up for a week of early voting.  Strictly Popular vote.  6 weeks as opposed to a year and a half.

    What if we had a real STATESMAN or STATESWOMAN as our President again and not this effing clown?
    you know, I've often thought about how this could be done better. the problem is, being insanely rich seems to be the only way to stop from having 3,000 candidates for president and no way of navigating in any reasonable amount of time who's platform is what. the public is already disengaged enough with the process as it is.

    or does it become more of a promotion type of thing, where you have to be in local politics first, if you are good enough, you get to the state level, then federal. that way we'd weed out the power hungry douchebags that don't give a shit about making communities better and who don't wish to serve their country rather their own initiatives. I mean, already the republicans had 13 people on the ticket, and even that was difficult to figure out who was what. doesn't help that during the primaries they aren't required to release a bloody platform, which is ridiculous. 

    there should be no private donations allowed, and no use of your own funds either. if people want to donate, then it all goes in a pool and is divided up equally between candidates at a certain point, and they can use it how they wish for the campaign. donations would significantly decrease, but you'd also have to make it law that all candidates release their financials prior to entering the race, and after it's over, win lose or draw. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    Hillary is about as authentic as Cheez Wiz and continues to show why so many just flat out don't liker her or trust her

    She admits fault just about as often as Trump does. Never.
    Uh huh. But choosing Trump over her is insane or just plain stupid. I think it was extremely irresponsible for people to vote for him.

    two horrible candidates.....however one was a rational human being and the other was not. unfortunately the irrational idiot won.
    I don't even think you can call Clinton horrible if you're going to call Trump horrible too. His horribleness was and is on such a different level that it doesn't work to use the same word for both people. Anyway, the short version of the story is that the voters are responsible for this whole situation, more than anyone else.
    Trump voters and non-voters.
    Yes.... I genuinely feel awful for those voters who knew better.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117

    maybe they should have given the non-voters something to actually vote for instead of running on just saying "I'm not the orange guy"...


    especially when the Obama era neo-liberal policies seemed to only accelerate the growing divide between the have and the have not's, leaving behind main street while wall street boomed... stocking his cabinet with goldman sachs and other wall street insiders... didn't Obama just give a $400k speech to a wall street firm? that coupled with the fact that they seemingly relied strictly on identity/gender politics and completely ignored the working white class vote all over this country.... ignored the rust belt... ignored the working class... didn't even campaign in these places... and we wonder why Trump won everything from Harrisburg to Spokane (besides Illinois)


    like Hillary, feel free to continue to ignore the real reason for the loss... a flawed and terribly inauthentic candidate that still reeks of hubris

    do I think she would be a better president? of course.... but that's not the point

    i'm not a partisan hack, I call it how I see it

  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Posts: 16,444
    my2hands said:

    maybe they should have given the non-voters something to actually vote for instead of running on just saying "I'm not the orange guy"...


    especially when the Obama era neo-liberal policies seemed to only accelerate the growing divide between the have and the have not's, leaving behind main street while wall street boomed... stocking his cabinet with goldman sachs and other wall street insiders... didn't Obama just give a $400k speech to a wall street firm? that coupled with the fact that they seemingly relied strictly on identity/gender politics and completely ignored the working white class vote all over this country.... ignored the rust belt... ignored the working class... didn't even campaign in these places... and we wonder why Trump won everything from Harrisburg to Spokane (besides Illinois)


    like Hillary, feel free to continue to ignore the real reason for the loss... a flawed and terribly inauthentic candidate that still reeks of hubris

    do I think she would be a better president? of course.... but that's not the point

    i'm not a partisan hack, I call it how I see it

    There were plenty of candidates other than Trump and Clinton.
  • my2hands said:

    maybe they should have given the non-voters something to actually vote for instead of running on just saying "I'm not the orange guy"...


    especially when the Obama era neo-liberal policies seemed to only accelerate the growing divide between the have and the have not's, leaving behind main street while wall street boomed... stocking his cabinet with goldman sachs and other wall street insiders... didn't Obama just give a $400k speech to a wall street firm? that coupled with the fact that they seemingly relied strictly on identity/gender politics and completely ignored the working white class vote all over this country.... ignored the rust belt... ignored the working class... didn't even campaign in these places... and we wonder why Trump won everything from Harrisburg to Spokane (besides Illinois)


    like Hillary, feel free to continue to ignore the real reason for the loss... a flawed and terribly inauthentic candidate that still reeks of hubris

    do I think she would be a better president? of course.... but that's not the point

    i'm not a partisan hack, I call it how I see it

    There were plenty of candidates other than Trump and Clinton.
    but it's human nature in the 21st century to vote for the candidates who are on the most tv and billboards. we're a ridiculously stupid race. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    edited June 2017
    my2hands said:

    maybe they should have given the non-voters something to actually vote for instead of running on just saying "I'm not the orange guy"...


    especially when the Obama era neo-liberal policies seemed to only accelerate the growing divide between the have and the have not's, leaving behind main street while wall street boomed... stocking his cabinet with goldman sachs and other wall street insiders... didn't Obama just give a $400k speech to a wall street firm? that coupled with the fact that they seemingly relied strictly on identity/gender politics and completely ignored the working white class vote all over this country.... ignored the rust belt... ignored the working class... didn't even campaign in these places... and we wonder why Trump won everything from Harrisburg to Spokane (besides Illinois)


    like Hillary, feel free to continue to ignore the real reason for the loss... a flawed and terribly inauthentic candidate that still reeks of hubris

    do I think she would be a better president? of course.... but that's not the point

    i'm not a partisan hack, I call it how I see it

    I call bullshit on the non-voters who say they didn't vote because they didn't have anyone decent to vote for. Suck it up sisters! There is ALWAYS one who is better than the other in every single person's mind, and in this case, the difference was GLARINGLY obvious, no matter how bad some may have thought Clinton was... Although the vilification of Clinton was outrageously overwrought in any case. She would have basically led in the same way as Obama did. She just isn't as charming as him. And yes, I do wonder why Trump won so much of the working white class vote. It's Donald fucking Trump. It says something very scary about a lot of working white people, not about Clinton. That one single adult in the country thought Trump would be good for working middle class people is totally shocking to me. What a bunch of morons.

    Plus, in this case, not being the orange guy was more than enough reason to vote in a way that kept him out of office. Seriously. I don't get how anybody can think that isn't a good enough reason to vote. Blows my mind.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,144
    Fake news.  How can you tell?  Not from Trump's Twitter account.  

    Number of supporters he'll lose because of this: 0.
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    2013 Wrigley     2014 St. Paul     2016 Fenway, Fenway, Wrigley, Wrigley     2018 Missoula, Wrigley, Wrigley     2021 Asbury Park     2022 St Louis     2023 Austin, Austin
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