I forgot to add that if I’m the DNC or the DSCC, I’m hitting those with asterisks hard with advertising dollars, tying Team Trump Treason around their neck and stapling him to their back, early and often, as soon as articles are passed and right up to Election Day. If the dems don’t get 20 for impeachment, they just need 4 to flip to gain control of the senate and 13 for a filibuster proof majority.
They should already be doing those ads.
They should also be holding these hearings in public.
2 things.
1. it denies gop from grandstanding during public hearings like we have seen.
2. more important allows the witnesses to be more forthcoming in that setting.
I agree. It also stops the grandstanding by the democrats, which is also positive.
I've also heard that by making it private it is mostly democrat lawyers asking questions...which is also a net positive.
Let them gather the evidence and once the trial in the Senate happens (where this will all really matter) it will be public and the democrats should be well prepared and organized. All the groundwork and foundation of impeachment in place.
Yeah, this may all well be true but I am primarily concerned about public sentiment because that seems to be the only thing that will sway republican senator's minds. I have a feeling that the longer this goes on behind closed doors, the more impatient the public will become which may feed back into the president's narrative of it being another version of the witch hunt.
Definitely a fine line the dems are walking here between dotting all the i's/crossing all the t's and handling the politics of the impeachment process. I think they have to be as aggressive as possible politically.
Nancy knows what she’s doing and what she’s doing is ensuring that the charges stick. The repubs are waiting to see which way the polling winds blow. All of the evidence will come out either during the run up to the impeachment vote or during the senate trial. And the evidence will be overwhelming and voters will pay attention, particularly indies. Repubs will have a choice, POS Team Trump Treason or the Constitution.
Yeah. I know all this. This is the plan. I’m just worried about it losing some steam with everything being done behind closed doors is all....
Drip, drip, drip. It’s not going to lose steam as the dems will strategically leak if needed. Better a slow, deliberate process. The dems should be pounding the theme of, “if a witch hunt, why all the non-cooperation, lying and cover up?”
I forgot to add that if I’m the DNC or the DSCC, I’m hitting those with asterisks hard with advertising dollars, tying Team Trump Treason around their neck and stapling him to their back, early and often, as soon as articles are passed and right up to Election Day. If the dems don’t get 20 for impeachment, they just need 4 to flip to gain control of the senate and 13 for a filibuster proof majority.
They should already be doing those ads.
They should also be holding these hearings in public.
2 things.
1. it denies gop from grandstanding during public hearings like we have seen.
2. more important allows the witnesses to be more forthcoming in that setting.
I agree. It also stops the grandstanding by the democrats, which is also positive.
I've also heard that by making it private it is mostly democrat lawyers asking questions...which is also a net positive.
Let them gather the evidence and once the trial in the Senate happens (where this will all really matter) it will be public and the democrats should be well prepared and organized. All the groundwork and foundation of impeachment in place.
Yeah, this may all well be true but I am primarily concerned about public sentiment because that seems to be the only thing that will sway republican senator's minds. I have a feeling that the longer this goes on behind closed doors, the more impatient the public will become which may feed back into the president's narrative of it being another version of the witch hunt.
Definitely a fine line the dems are walking here between dotting all the i's/crossing all the t's and handling the politics of the impeachment process. I think they have to be as aggressive as possible politically.
Nancy knows what she’s doing and what she’s doing is ensuring that the charges stick. The repubs are waiting to see which way the polling winds blow. All of the evidence will come out either during the run up to the impeachment vote or during the senate trial. And the evidence will be overwhelming and voters will pay attention, particularly indies. Repubs will have a choice, POS Team Trump Treason or the Constitution.
Yeah. I know all this. This is the plan. I’m just worried about it losing some steam with everything being done behind closed doors is all....
Drip, drip, drip. It’s not going to lose steam as the dems will strategically leak if needed. Better a slow, deliberate process. The dems should be pounding the theme of, “if a witch hunt, why all the non-cooperation, lying and cover up?”
Timing is everything.
I understand Juggler's concern and appreciate your stalwart faith it will all work out. I have to say, I learn toward the concern myself but hope for the much desired (by most of us) outcome!
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I forgot to add that if I’m the DNC or the DSCC, I’m hitting those with asterisks hard with advertising dollars, tying Team Trump Treason around their neck and stapling him to their back, early and often, as soon as articles are passed and right up to Election Day. If the dems don’t get 20 for impeachment, they just need 4 to flip to gain control of the senate and 13 for a filibuster proof majority.
They should already be doing those ads.
They should also be holding these hearings in public.
2 things.
1. it denies gop from grandstanding during public hearings like we have seen.
2. more important allows the witnesses to be more forthcoming in that setting.
I agree. It also stops the grandstanding by the democrats, which is also positive.
I've also heard that by making it private it is mostly democrat lawyers asking questions...which is also a net positive.
Let them gather the evidence and once the trial in the Senate happens (where this will all really matter) it will be public and the democrats should be well prepared and organized. All the groundwork and foundation of impeachment in place.
Yeah, this may all well be true but I am primarily concerned about public sentiment because that seems to be the only thing that will sway republican senator's minds. I have a feeling that the longer this goes on behind closed doors, the more impatient the public will become which may feed back into the president's narrative of it being another version of the witch hunt.
Definitely a fine line the dems are walking here between dotting all the i's/crossing all the t's and handling the politics of the impeachment process. I think they have to be as aggressive as possible politically.
Nancy knows what she’s doing and what she’s doing is ensuring that the charges stick. The repubs are waiting to see which way the polling winds blow. All of the evidence will come out either during the run up to the impeachment vote or during the senate trial. And the evidence will be overwhelming and voters will pay attention, particularly indies. Repubs will have a choice, POS Team Trump Treason or the Constitution.
Yeah. I know all this. This is the plan. I’m just worried about it losing some steam with everything being done behind closed doors is all....
Drip, drip, drip. It’s not going to lose steam as the dems will strategically leak if needed. Better a slow, deliberate process. The dems should be pounding the theme of, “if a witch hunt, why all the non-cooperation, lying and cover up?”
Timing is everything.
I understand Juggler's concern and appreciate your stalwart faith it will all work out. I have to say, I learn toward the concern myself but hope for the much desired (by most of us) outcome!
It's a given that he will be impeached at this point, probably this year. Public sentiment is the main thing driving senate republicans, though, so keeping an eye on the polls is important. This is not going to be easy for the dems...
I forgot to add that if I’m the DNC or the DSCC, I’m hitting those with asterisks hard with advertising dollars, tying Team Trump Treason around their neck and stapling him to their back, early and often, as soon as articles are passed and right up to Election Day. If the dems don’t get 20 for impeachment, they just need 4 to flip to gain control of the senate and 13 for a filibuster proof majority.
They should already be doing those ads.
They should also be holding these hearings in public.
2 things.
1. it denies gop from grandstanding during public hearings like we have seen.
2. more important allows the witnesses to be more forthcoming in that setting.
I agree. It also stops the grandstanding by the democrats, which is also positive.
I've also heard that by making it private it is mostly democrat lawyers asking questions...which is also a net positive.
Let them gather the evidence and once the trial in the Senate happens (where this will all really matter) it will be public and the democrats should be well prepared and organized. All the groundwork and foundation of impeachment in place.
Yeah, this may all well be true but I am primarily concerned about public sentiment because that seems to be the only thing that will sway republican senator's minds. I have a feeling that the longer this goes on behind closed doors, the more impatient the public will become which may feed back into the president's narrative of it being another version of the witch hunt.
Definitely a fine line the dems are walking here between dotting all the i's/crossing all the t's and handling the politics of the impeachment process. I think they have to be as aggressive as possible politically.
Nancy knows what she’s doing and what she’s doing is ensuring that the charges stick. The repubs are waiting to see which way the polling winds blow. All of the evidence will come out either during the run up to the impeachment vote or during the senate trial. And the evidence will be overwhelming and voters will pay attention, particularly indies. Repubs will have a choice, POS Team Trump Treason or the Constitution.
Yeah. I know all this. This is the plan. I’m just worried about it losing some steam with everything being done behind closed doors is all....
Drip, drip, drip. It’s not going to lose steam as the dems will strategically leak if needed. Better a slow, deliberate process. The dems should be pounding the theme of, “if a witch hunt, why all the non-cooperation, lying and cover up?”
Timing is everything.
I understand Juggler's concern and appreciate your stalwart faith it will all work out. I have to say, I learn toward the concern myself but hope for the much desired (by most of us) outcome!
It's a given that he will be impeached at this point, probably this year. Public sentiment is the main thing driving senate republicans, though, so keeping an eye on the polls is important. This is not going to be easy for the dems...
I forgot to add that if I’m the DNC or the DSCC, I’m hitting those with asterisks hard with advertising dollars, tying Team Trump Treason around their neck and stapling him to their back, early and often, as soon as articles are passed and right up to Election Day. If the dems don’t get 20 for impeachment, they just need 4 to flip to gain control of the senate and 13 for a filibuster proof majority.
They should already be doing those ads.
They should also be holding these hearings in public.
2 things.
1. it denies gop from grandstanding during public hearings like we have seen.
2. more important allows the witnesses to be more forthcoming in that setting.
I agree. It also stops the grandstanding by the democrats, which is also positive.
I've also heard that by making it private it is mostly democrat lawyers asking questions...which is also a net positive.
Let them gather the evidence and once the trial in the Senate happens (where this will all really matter) it will be public and the democrats should be well prepared and organized. All the groundwork and foundation of impeachment in place.
Yeah, this may all well be true but I am primarily concerned about public sentiment because that seems to be the only thing that will sway republican senator's minds. I have a feeling that the longer this goes on behind closed doors, the more impatient the public will become which may feed back into the president's narrative of it being another version of the witch hunt.
Definitely a fine line the dems are walking here between dotting all the i's/crossing all the t's and handling the politics of the impeachment process. I think they have to be as aggressive as possible politically.
Nancy knows what she’s doing and what she’s doing is ensuring that the charges stick. The repubs are waiting to see which way the polling winds blow. All of the evidence will come out either during the run up to the impeachment vote or during the senate trial. And the evidence will be overwhelming and voters will pay attention, particularly indies. Repubs will have a choice, POS Team Trump Treason or the Constitution.
Yeah. I know all this. This is the plan. I’m just worried about it losing some steam with everything being done behind closed doors is all....
Drip, drip, drip. It’s not going to lose steam as the dems will strategically leak if needed. Better a slow, deliberate process. The dems should be pounding the theme of, “if a witch hunt, why all the non-cooperation, lying and cover up?”
Timing is everything.
I understand Juggler's concern and appreciate your stalwart faith it will all work out. I have to say, I learn toward the concern myself but hope for the much desired (by most of us) outcome!
It's a given that he will be impeached at this point, probably this year. Public sentiment is the main thing driving senate republicans, though, so keeping an eye on the polls is important. This is not going to be easy for the dems...
Polling is trending in the right direction and for the right reasons. As more damning information comes out, a critical mass will be reached. It’s just a matter of time and it’s supposed to be difficult. Impeachment is not a trivial matter and nor should it be.
I forgot to add that if I’m the DNC or the DSCC, I’m hitting those with asterisks hard with advertising dollars, tying Team Trump Treason around their neck and stapling him to their back, early and often, as soon as articles are passed and right up to Election Day. If the dems don’t get 20 for impeachment, they just need 4 to flip to gain control of the senate and 13 for a filibuster proof majority.
They should already be doing those ads.
They should also be holding these hearings in public.
2 things.
1. it denies gop from grandstanding during public hearings like we have seen.
2. more important allows the witnesses to be more forthcoming in that setting.
I agree. It also stops the grandstanding by the democrats, which is also positive.
I've also heard that by making it private it is mostly democrat lawyers asking questions...which is also a net positive.
Let them gather the evidence and once the trial in the Senate happens (where this will all really matter) it will be public and the democrats should be well prepared and organized. All the groundwork and foundation of impeachment in place.
Yeah, this may all well be true but I am primarily concerned about public sentiment because that seems to be the only thing that will sway republican senator's minds. I have a feeling that the longer this goes on behind closed doors, the more impatient the public will become which may feed back into the president's narrative of it being another version of the witch hunt.
Definitely a fine line the dems are walking here between dotting all the i's/crossing all the t's and handling the politics of the impeachment process. I think they have to be as aggressive as possible politically.
Nancy knows what she’s doing and what she’s doing is ensuring that the charges stick. The repubs are waiting to see which way the polling winds blow. All of the evidence will come out either during the run up to the impeachment vote or during the senate trial. And the evidence will be overwhelming and voters will pay attention, particularly indies. Repubs will have a choice, POS Team Trump Treason or the Constitution.
Yeah. I know all this. This is the plan. I’m just worried about it losing some steam with everything being done behind closed doors is all....
Drip, drip, drip. It’s not going to lose steam as the dems will strategically leak if needed. Better a slow, deliberate process. The dems should be pounding the theme of, “if a witch hunt, why all the non-cooperation, lying and cover up?”
Timing is everything.
I understand Juggler's concern and appreciate your stalwart faith it will all work out. I have to say, I learn toward the concern myself but hope for the much desired (by most of us) outcome!
It's a given that he will be impeached at this point, probably this year. Public sentiment is the main thing driving senate republicans, though, so keeping an eye on the polls is important. This is not going to be easy for the dems...
I forgot to add that if I’m the DNC or the DSCC, I’m hitting those with asterisks hard with advertising dollars, tying Team Trump Treason around their neck and stapling him to their back, early and often, as soon as articles are passed and right up to Election Day. If the dems don’t get 20 for impeachment, they just need 4 to flip to gain control of the senate and 13 for a filibuster proof majority.
They should already be doing those ads.
They should also be holding these hearings in public.
2 things.
1. it denies gop from grandstanding during public hearings like we have seen.
2. more important allows the witnesses to be more forthcoming in that setting.
I agree. It also stops the grandstanding by the democrats, which is also positive.
I've also heard that by making it private it is mostly democrat lawyers asking questions...which is also a net positive.
Let them gather the evidence and once the trial in the Senate happens (where this will all really matter) it will be public and the democrats should be well prepared and organized. All the groundwork and foundation of impeachment in place.
Yeah, this may all well be true but I am primarily concerned about public sentiment because that seems to be the only thing that will sway republican senator's minds. I have a feeling that the longer this goes on behind closed doors, the more impatient the public will become which may feed back into the president's narrative of it being another version of the witch hunt.
Definitely a fine line the dems are walking here between dotting all the i's/crossing all the t's and handling the politics of the impeachment process. I think they have to be as aggressive as possible politically.
Nancy knows what she’s doing and what she’s doing is ensuring that the charges stick. The repubs are waiting to see which way the polling winds blow. All of the evidence will come out either during the run up to the impeachment vote or during the senate trial. And the evidence will be overwhelming and voters will pay attention, particularly indies. Repubs will have a choice, POS Team Trump Treason or the Constitution.
Yeah. I know all this. This is the plan. I’m just worried about it losing some steam with everything being done behind closed doors is all....
Drip, drip, drip. It’s not going to lose steam as the dems will strategically leak if needed. Better a slow, deliberate process. The dems should be pounding the theme of, “if a witch hunt, why all the non-cooperation, lying and cover up?”
Timing is everything.
I understand Juggler's concern and appreciate your stalwart faith it will all work out. I have to say, I learn toward the concern myself but hope for the much desired (by most of us) outcome!
It's a given that he will be impeached at this point, probably this year. Public sentiment is the main thing driving senate republicans, though, so keeping an eye on the polls is important. This is not going to be easy for the dems...
Polling is trending in the right direction and for the right reasons. As more damning information comes out, a critical mass will be reached. It’s just a matter of time and it’s supposed to be difficult. Impeachment is not a trivial matter and nor should it be.
Yeah. I know all this. This is the plan. I’m just worried about it losing some steam with everything being done behind closed doors is all....
Drip, drip, drip. It’s not going to lose steam as the dems will strategically leak if needed. Better a slow, deliberate process. The dems should be pounding the theme of, “if a witch hunt, why all the non-cooperation, lying and cover up?”
Timing is everything.
I understand Juggler's concern and appreciate your stalwart faith it will all work out. I have to say, I learn toward the concern myself but hope for the much desired (by most of us) outcome!
It's a given that he will be impeached at this point, probably this year. Public sentiment is the main thing driving senate republicans, though, so keeping an eye on the polls is important. This is not going to be easy for the dems...
And it's not just "public" sentiment but "Republican" sentiment. And he's still at 87% with members of the Party of Trump. I'm not sure what that has to drop to before careerist Party of Trump senators feel good about doing the right thing, but it's lower than that.
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This whole Ukranian episode with Trump is getting disgustingly ugly.
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opening statement....
Opening statement of Ambassador William B. Taylor
Updated Oct 22, 2019 at 2:53 PM
William B. Taylor, the senior U.S. diplomat in Ukraine, testified before impeachment investigators Tuesday. Read the story here.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
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Yeah. I know all this. This is the plan. I’m just worried about it losing some steam with everything being done behind closed doors is all....
Drip, drip, drip. It’s not going to lose steam as the dems will strategically leak if needed. Better a slow, deliberate process. The dems should be pounding the theme of, “if a witch hunt, why all the non-cooperation, lying and cover up?”
Timing is everything.
I understand Juggler's concern and appreciate your stalwart faith it will all work out. I have to say, I learn toward the concern myself but hope for the much desired (by most of us) outcome!
It's a given that he will be impeached at this point, probably this year. Public sentiment is the main thing driving senate republicans, though, so keeping an eye on the polls is important. This is not going to be easy for the dems...
And it's not just "public" sentiment but "Republican" sentiment. And he's still at 87% with members of the Party of Trump. I'm not sure what that has to drop to before careerist Party of Trump senators feel good about doing the right thing, but it's lower than that.
Well....they'll be looking at the impeachment polls at this point which all are worse for Trump than they were for Clinton at this time. I think that is why there is talk of removal from office even though the odds are not high, at this point, of that happening.
Currently, 12% of republicans support impeachment on average. The fact that the most recent poll has 18% of republicans in favor of impeachment should scare the bejesus out of them
But the big number is independents. That number is up 14 points since the start of the Ukraine stuff to 47.5%. That is a voting segment the republicans cannot afford to lose at all.
Gotta love Stephanie Grisham’s description of today’s process. Do the repubs not show up for these hearings? Do their representatives on the committees not have legal counsel?
Gotta love Stephanie Grisham’s description of today’s process. Do the repubs not show up for these hearings? Do their representatives on the committees not have legal counsel?
I think the only question remaining is how many articles of impeachment are brought forth and the number of high crimes and misdemeanors. Any over/under?
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Opening statement of Ambassador William B. Taylor
Updated Oct 22, 2019 at 2:53 PM
William B. Taylor, the senior U.S. diplomat in Ukraine, testified before impeachment investigators Tuesday. Read the story here.
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Currently, 12% of republicans support impeachment on average. The fact that the most recent poll has 18% of republicans in favor of impeachment should scare the bejesus out of them
But the big number is independents. That number is up 14 points since the start of the Ukraine stuff to 47.5%. That is a voting segment the republicans cannot afford to lose at all.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/22/772127564/democrats-say-ambassador-william-taylors-testimony-on-ukraine-is-disturbing
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Bolton's testimony has to be public!!
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