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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,126
    OnWis97 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The repub fuckers are basically daring the dems to do it, either because they think they won’t and they be emboldened by getting away with it or because they think it’ll bring on the second coming and the evangelicals will rejoice. Team Trump Treason needs a good pop in the mouth and impeachment is the way to do it.
     
    Disclaimer: This is a metaphorical pop in the mouth.  We don't need the next three pages to be about this.
    Oh I know some will claim I’m advocating physical violence against Team Trump Treason, which I’m not.
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  • my2hands
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    2017
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The repub fuckers are basically daring the dems to do it, either because they think they won’t and they be emboldened by getting away with it or because they think it’ll bring on the second coming and the evangelicals will rejoice. Team Trump Treason needs a good pop in the mouth and impeachment is the way to do it.
     
    Now THAT is my kind of pop in the mouth!

    I'm rolling shotgun with Halifax on this one... if the dems feel they have the case, then it's time to put the chips on the fucking table and turn up the volume

    Fuck it
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,092
    2018
    my2hands said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The repub fuckers are basically daring the dems to do it, either because they think they won’t and they be emboldened by getting away with it or because they think it’ll bring on the second coming and the evangelicals will rejoice. Team Trump Treason needs a good pop in the mouth and impeachment is the way to do it.
     
    Now THAT is my kind of pop in the mouth!

    I'm rolling shotgun with Halifax on this one... if the dems feel they have the case, then it's time to put the chips on the fucking table and turn up the volume

    Fuck it
    Yep make it hot in the kitchen!
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    OnWis97 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The repub fuckers are basically daring the dems to do it, either because they think they won’t and they be emboldened by getting away with it or because they think it’ll bring on the second coming and the evangelicals will rejoice. Team Trump Treason needs a good pop in the mouth and impeachment is the way to do it.
     
    Disclaimer: This is a metaphorical pop in the mouth.  We don't need the next three pages to be about this.

  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
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    This guy doesn't agree with Mitt Romney:

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    2019
    I heard David Jolly make the argument for impeachment RIGHT NOW. Fuck waiting on subpoenas and going to court over executive privileged and all the other stuff Trump will do to slow the process up. There are plenty of things to impeach him on right now. They can have everything wrapped up by Memorial Day. Get everyone to vote on the record. Then you can move on and not have it drag on into the election cycle...
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    The Juggler said:
    I heard David Jolly make the argument for impeachment RIGHT NOW. Fuck waiting on subpoenas and going to court over executive privileged and all the other stuff Trump will do to slow the process up. There are plenty of things to impeach him on right now. They can have everything wrapped up by Memorial Day. Get everyone to vote on the record. Then you can move on and not have it drag on into the election cycle...
    I was about to comment that I think it would drag on into the election cycle, until I looked up that, regarding Clinton, the House initiated impeachment proceedings in December 1998, and he was acquitted in the Senate on February 12, 1999. Mind you, there'd be more layers to peel with Trump than there was with Clinton, so a Trump Senate trial would probably take longer. 

    I know a lot of you disagree, but I think it'd be a horrible idea to impeach Trump because he won't be convicted in the Senate. Some seem to feel like "Who cares? He deserves to be impeached, so impeach him and let the chips fall where they may." Fair enough, but for those of you that are OBSESSED with seeing him brought down, a Senate acquittal in an impeachment trial will be looked at by the vast majority of the electorate as another failed attempt at bringing him down. Evidence of collusion per the Mueller report? Nope. Evidence of obstruction of justice? Close...but no cigar. Throw in an impeachment that doesn't lead to a conviction, and god help us, HE might start looking like a victim to undecided voters that don't follow this stuff closely (or at all). 
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    2017
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    I heard David Jolly make the argument for impeachment RIGHT NOW. Fuck waiting on subpoenas and going to court over executive privileged and all the other stuff Trump will do to slow the process up. There are plenty of things to impeach him on right now. They can have everything wrapped up by Memorial Day. Get everyone to vote on the record. Then you can move on and not have it drag on into the election cycle...
    I was about to comment that I think it would drag on into the election cycle, until I looked up that, regarding Clinton, the House initiated impeachment proceedings in December 1998, and he was acquitted in the Senate on February 12, 1999. Mind you, there'd be more layers to peel with Trump than there was with Clinton, so a Trump Senate trial would probably take longer. 

    I know a lot of you disagree, but I think it'd be a horrible idea to impeach Trump because he won't be convicted in the Senate. Some seem to feel like "Who cares? He deserves to be impeached, so impeach him and let the chips fall where they may." Fair enough, but for those of you that are OBSESSED with seeing him brought down, a Senate acquittal in an impeachment trial will be looked at by the vast majority of the electorate as another failed attempt at bringing him down. Evidence of collusion per the Mueller report? Nope. Evidence of obstruction of justice? Close...but no cigar. Throw in an impeachment that doesn't lead to a conviction, and god help us, HE might start looking like a victim to undecided voters that don't follow this stuff closely (or at all). 
    The problem is, he already is that martyr to some. Look at this 24 year veteran of the FBI and head of a security firm who uses incendiary language to pop off with deep state conspiracy theories and unfounded theories to decide that there was absolutely nothing, nada, zip in the Mueller report in terms of collusion, and that the Mueller team shouldn't have even started looking into obstruction except that they are out to get Trump. And thank goodness, according to this guy, that AG Barr is doing what he does and standing strong. What a pile of manure:
    www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-mueller-report-concludes-it-was-not-needed/ar-BBW8iPl

    Anyway, it isn't just about sticking it to Trump. I want to stick it to the GOP in the Senate who continue to enable Trump and avoid doing their actual job of oversight. I want each of those assholes on record in an impeachment vote, and have that vote used against them in the 2020 elections if their seat is up.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,014
    2018
    jeffbr said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    I heard David Jolly make the argument for impeachment RIGHT NOW. Fuck waiting on subpoenas and going to court over executive privileged and all the other stuff Trump will do to slow the process up. There are plenty of things to impeach him on right now. They can have everything wrapped up by Memorial Day. Get everyone to vote on the record. Then you can move on and not have it drag on into the election cycle...
    I was about to comment that I think it would drag on into the election cycle, until I looked up that, regarding Clinton, the House initiated impeachment proceedings in December 1998, and he was acquitted in the Senate on February 12, 1999. Mind you, there'd be more layers to peel with Trump than there was with Clinton, so a Trump Senate trial would probably take longer. 

    I know a lot of you disagree, but I think it'd be a horrible idea to impeach Trump because he won't be convicted in the Senate. Some seem to feel like "Who cares? He deserves to be impeached, so impeach him and let the chips fall where they may." Fair enough, but for those of you that are OBSESSED with seeing him brought down, a Senate acquittal in an impeachment trial will be looked at by the vast majority of the electorate as another failed attempt at bringing him down. Evidence of collusion per the Mueller report? Nope. Evidence of obstruction of justice? Close...but no cigar. Throw in an impeachment that doesn't lead to a conviction, and god help us, HE might start looking like a victim to undecided voters that don't follow this stuff closely (or at all). 
    The problem is, he already is that martyr to some. Look at this 24 year veteran of the FBI and head of a security firm who uses incendiary language to pop off with deep state conspiracy theories and unfounded theories to decide that there was absolutely nothing, nada, zip in the Mueller report in terms of collusion, and that the Mueller team shouldn't have even started looking into obstruction except that they are out to get Trump. And thank goodness, according to this guy, that AG Barr is doing what he does and standing strong. What a pile of manure:
    www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-mueller-report-concludes-it-was-not-needed/ar-BBW8iPl

    Anyway, it isn't just about sticking it to Trump. I want to stick it to the GOP in the Senate who continue to enable Trump and avoid doing their actual job of oversight. I want each of those assholes on record in an impeachment vote, and have that vote used against them in the 2020 elections if their seat is up.
    anyone know how the senators in the Clinton impeachment era fared after voting not guilty?
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    2019
    jeffbr said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    I heard David Jolly make the argument for impeachment RIGHT NOW. Fuck waiting on subpoenas and going to court over executive privileged and all the other stuff Trump will do to slow the process up. There are plenty of things to impeach him on right now. They can have everything wrapped up by Memorial Day. Get everyone to vote on the record. Then you can move on and not have it drag on into the election cycle...
    I was about to comment that I think it would drag on into the election cycle, until I looked up that, regarding Clinton, the House initiated impeachment proceedings in December 1998, and he was acquitted in the Senate on February 12, 1999. Mind you, there'd be more layers to peel with Trump than there was with Clinton, so a Trump Senate trial would probably take longer. 

    I know a lot of you disagree, but I think it'd be a horrible idea to impeach Trump because he won't be convicted in the Senate. Some seem to feel like "Who cares? He deserves to be impeached, so impeach him and let the chips fall where they may." Fair enough, but for those of you that are OBSESSED with seeing him brought down, a Senate acquittal in an impeachment trial will be looked at by the vast majority of the electorate as another failed attempt at bringing him down. Evidence of collusion per the Mueller report? Nope. Evidence of obstruction of justice? Close...but no cigar. Throw in an impeachment that doesn't lead to a conviction, and god help us, HE might start looking like a victim to undecided voters that don't follow this stuff closely (or at all). 
    The problem is, he already is that martyr to some. Look at this 24 year veteran of the FBI and head of a security firm who uses incendiary language to pop off with deep state conspiracy theories and unfounded theories to decide that there was absolutely nothing, nada, zip in the Mueller report in terms of collusion, and that the Mueller team shouldn't have even started looking into obstruction except that they are out to get Trump. And thank goodness, according to this guy, that AG Barr is doing what he does and standing strong. What a pile of manure:
    www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-mueller-report-concludes-it-was-not-needed/ar-BBW8iPl

    Anyway, it isn't just about sticking it to Trump. I want to stick it to the GOP in the Senate who continue to enable Trump and avoid doing their actual job of oversight. I want each of those assholes on record in an impeachment vote, and have that vote used against them in the 2020 elections if their seat is up.
    I think this is important as well. One party has to step up and and stand up for this country and our constitution. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    2019
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    jeffbr said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    I heard David Jolly make the argument for impeachment RIGHT NOW. Fuck waiting on subpoenas and going to court over executive privileged and all the other stuff Trump will do to slow the process up. There are plenty of things to impeach him on right now. They can have everything wrapped up by Memorial Day. Get everyone to vote on the record. Then you can move on and not have it drag on into the election cycle...
    I was about to comment that I think it would drag on into the election cycle, until I looked up that, regarding Clinton, the House initiated impeachment proceedings in December 1998, and he was acquitted in the Senate on February 12, 1999. Mind you, there'd be more layers to peel with Trump than there was with Clinton, so a Trump Senate trial would probably take longer. 

    I know a lot of you disagree, but I think it'd be a horrible idea to impeach Trump because he won't be convicted in the Senate. Some seem to feel like "Who cares? He deserves to be impeached, so impeach him and let the chips fall where they may." Fair enough, but for those of you that are OBSESSED with seeing him brought down, a Senate acquittal in an impeachment trial will be looked at by the vast majority of the electorate as another failed attempt at bringing him down. Evidence of collusion per the Mueller report? Nope. Evidence of obstruction of justice? Close...but no cigar. Throw in an impeachment that doesn't lead to a conviction, and god help us, HE might start looking like a victim to undecided voters that don't follow this stuff closely (or at all). 
    The problem is, he already is that martyr to some. Look at this 24 year veteran of the FBI and head of a security firm who uses incendiary language to pop off with deep state conspiracy theories and unfounded theories to decide that there was absolutely nothing, nada, zip in the Mueller report in terms of collusion, and that the Mueller team shouldn't have even started looking into obstruction except that they are out to get Trump. And thank goodness, according to this guy, that AG Barr is doing what he does and standing strong. What a pile of manure:
    www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-mueller-report-concludes-it-was-not-needed/ar-BBW8iPl

    Anyway, it isn't just about sticking it to Trump. I want to stick it to the GOP in the Senate who continue to enable Trump and avoid doing their actual job of oversight. I want each of those assholes on record in an impeachment vote, and have that vote used against them in the 2020 elections if their seat is up.
    anyone know how the senators in the Clinton impeachment era fared after voting not guilty?
    Good question. Not sure. I do think the issues at hand this time around are FAR more serious than what took place 20 years ago though. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    jeffbr said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    I heard David Jolly make the argument for impeachment RIGHT NOW. Fuck waiting on subpoenas and going to court over executive privileged and all the other stuff Trump will do to slow the process up. There are plenty of things to impeach him on right now. They can have everything wrapped up by Memorial Day. Get everyone to vote on the record. Then you can move on and not have it drag on into the election cycle...
    I was about to comment that I think it would drag on into the election cycle, until I looked up that, regarding Clinton, the House initiated impeachment proceedings in December 1998, and he was acquitted in the Senate on February 12, 1999. Mind you, there'd be more layers to peel with Trump than there was with Clinton, so a Trump Senate trial would probably take longer. 

    I know a lot of you disagree, but I think it'd be a horrible idea to impeach Trump because he won't be convicted in the Senate. Some seem to feel like "Who cares? He deserves to be impeached, so impeach him and let the chips fall where they may." Fair enough, but for those of you that are OBSESSED with seeing him brought down, a Senate acquittal in an impeachment trial will be looked at by the vast majority of the electorate as another failed attempt at bringing him down. Evidence of collusion per the Mueller report? Nope. Evidence of obstruction of justice? Close...but no cigar. Throw in an impeachment that doesn't lead to a conviction, and god help us, HE might start looking like a victim to undecided voters that don't follow this stuff closely (or at all). 
    The problem is, he already is that martyr to some. Look at this 24 year veteran of the FBI and head of a security firm who uses incendiary language to pop off with deep state conspiracy theories and unfounded theories to decide that there was absolutely nothing, nada, zip in the Mueller report in terms of collusion, and that the Mueller team shouldn't have even started looking into obstruction except that they are out to get Trump. And thank goodness, according to this guy, that AG Barr is doing what he does and standing strong. What a pile of manure:
    www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-mueller-report-concludes-it-was-not-needed/ar-BBW8iPl

    Anyway, it isn't just about sticking it to Trump. I want to stick it to the GOP in the Senate who continue to enable Trump and avoid doing their actual job of oversight. I want each of those assholes on record in an impeachment vote, and have that vote used against them in the 2020 elections if their seat is up.
    Well one thing's for sure, a Trump impeachment would definitely be some quality political theater, which I'd be for. Politics is just show business for ugly people anyway. It'd be nice to see them actually put on an entertaining show. Their last attempt at a production (Kavanaugh's confirmation) wasn't very good.  
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    2017
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    jeffbr said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    I heard David Jolly make the argument for impeachment RIGHT NOW. Fuck waiting on subpoenas and going to court over executive privileged and all the other stuff Trump will do to slow the process up. There are plenty of things to impeach him on right now. They can have everything wrapped up by Memorial Day. Get everyone to vote on the record. Then you can move on and not have it drag on into the election cycle...
    I was about to comment that I think it would drag on into the election cycle, until I looked up that, regarding Clinton, the House initiated impeachment proceedings in December 1998, and he was acquitted in the Senate on February 12, 1999. Mind you, there'd be more layers to peel with Trump than there was with Clinton, so a Trump Senate trial would probably take longer. 

    I know a lot of you disagree, but I think it'd be a horrible idea to impeach Trump because he won't be convicted in the Senate. Some seem to feel like "Who cares? He deserves to be impeached, so impeach him and let the chips fall where they may." Fair enough, but for those of you that are OBSESSED with seeing him brought down, a Senate acquittal in an impeachment trial will be looked at by the vast majority of the electorate as another failed attempt at bringing him down. Evidence of collusion per the Mueller report? Nope. Evidence of obstruction of justice? Close...but no cigar. Throw in an impeachment that doesn't lead to a conviction, and god help us, HE might start looking like a victim to undecided voters that don't follow this stuff closely (or at all). 
    The problem is, he already is that martyr to some. Look at this 24 year veteran of the FBI and head of a security firm who uses incendiary language to pop off with deep state conspiracy theories and unfounded theories to decide that there was absolutely nothing, nada, zip in the Mueller report in terms of collusion, and that the Mueller team shouldn't have even started looking into obstruction except that they are out to get Trump. And thank goodness, according to this guy, that AG Barr is doing what he does and standing strong. What a pile of manure:
    www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-mueller-report-concludes-it-was-not-needed/ar-BBW8iPl

    Anyway, it isn't just about sticking it to Trump. I want to stick it to the GOP in the Senate who continue to enable Trump and avoid doing their actual job of oversight. I want each of those assholes on record in an impeachment vote, and have that vote used against them in the 2020 elections if their seat is up.
    anyone know how the senators in the Clinton impeachment era fared after voting not guilty?
    Good question. Not sure. I do think the issues at hand this time around are FAR more serious than what took place 20 years ago though. 
    Exactly. Since the issues were completely different, and the level of deceit and criminality completely different, and the harm being caused completely different, it would probably be hard to draw meaningful conclusions.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,092
    2018
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    I heard David Jolly make the argument for impeachment RIGHT NOW. Fuck waiting on subpoenas and going to court over executive privileged and all the other stuff Trump will do to slow the process up. There are plenty of things to impeach him on right now. They can have everything wrapped up by Memorial Day. Get everyone to vote on the record. Then you can move on and not have it drag on into the election cycle...
    I was about to comment that I think it would drag on into the election cycle, until I looked up that, regarding Clinton, the House initiated impeachment proceedings in December 1998, and he was acquitted in the Senate on February 12, 1999. Mind you, there'd be more layers to peel with Trump than there was with Clinton, so a Trump Senate trial would probably take longer. 

    I know a lot of you disagree, but I think it'd be a horrible idea to impeach Trump because he won't be convicted in the Senate. Some seem to feel like "Who cares? He deserves to be impeached, so impeach him and let the chips fall where they may." Fair enough, but for those of you that are OBSESSED with seeing him brought down, a Senate acquittal in an impeachment trial will be looked at by the vast majority of the electorate as another failed attempt at bringing him down. Evidence of collusion per the Mueller report? Nope. Evidence of obstruction of justice? Close...but no cigar. Throw in an impeachment that doesn't lead to a conviction, and god help us, HE might start looking like a victim to undecided voters that don't follow this stuff closely (or at all). 
    No you’re wrong most of don’t want him to be impeached just to impeach! This is about following the rule of law period ! Screw the folks who are to stupid to realize there’s a criminal as our president ...
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,014
    2018
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    jeffbr said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    I heard David Jolly make the argument for impeachment RIGHT NOW. Fuck waiting on subpoenas and going to court over executive privileged and all the other stuff Trump will do to slow the process up. There are plenty of things to impeach him on right now. They can have everything wrapped up by Memorial Day. Get everyone to vote on the record. Then you can move on and not have it drag on into the election cycle...
    I was about to comment that I think it would drag on into the election cycle, until I looked up that, regarding Clinton, the House initiated impeachment proceedings in December 1998, and he was acquitted in the Senate on February 12, 1999. Mind you, there'd be more layers to peel with Trump than there was with Clinton, so a Trump Senate trial would probably take longer. 

    I know a lot of you disagree, but I think it'd be a horrible idea to impeach Trump because he won't be convicted in the Senate. Some seem to feel like "Who cares? He deserves to be impeached, so impeach him and let the chips fall where they may." Fair enough, but for those of you that are OBSESSED with seeing him brought down, a Senate acquittal in an impeachment trial will be looked at by the vast majority of the electorate as another failed attempt at bringing him down. Evidence of collusion per the Mueller report? Nope. Evidence of obstruction of justice? Close...but no cigar. Throw in an impeachment that doesn't lead to a conviction, and god help us, HE might start looking like a victim to undecided voters that don't follow this stuff closely (or at all). 
    The problem is, he already is that martyr to some. Look at this 24 year veteran of the FBI and head of a security firm who uses incendiary language to pop off with deep state conspiracy theories and unfounded theories to decide that there was absolutely nothing, nada, zip in the Mueller report in terms of collusion, and that the Mueller team shouldn't have even started looking into obstruction except that they are out to get Trump. And thank goodness, according to this guy, that AG Barr is doing what he does and standing strong. What a pile of manure:
    www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-mueller-report-concludes-it-was-not-needed/ar-BBW8iPl

    Anyway, it isn't just about sticking it to Trump. I want to stick it to the GOP in the Senate who continue to enable Trump and avoid doing their actual job of oversight. I want each of those assholes on record in an impeachment vote, and have that vote used against them in the 2020 elections if their seat is up.
    anyone know how the senators in the Clinton impeachment era fared after voting not guilty?
    Good question. Not sure. I do think the issues at hand this time around are FAR more serious than what took place 20 years ago though. 
    well absolutely. but people who are concerned there could be great political fallout if he were not to be convicted in the senate are basing it on what exactly? just a hunch? or actual stats of how those democrat senators fared after voting not guilty. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,014
    edited April 2019
    josevolution said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    I heard David Jolly make the argument for impeachment RIGHT NOW. Fuck waiting on subpoenas and going to court over executive privileged and all the other stuff Trump will do to slow the process up. There are plenty of things to impeach him on right now. They can have everything wrapped up by Memorial Day. Get everyone to vote on the record. Then you can move on and not have it drag on into the election cycle...
    I was about to comment that I think it would drag on into the election cycle, until I looked up that, regarding Clinton, the House initiated impeachment proceedings in December 1998, and he was acquitted in the Senate on February 12, 1999. Mind you, there'd be more layers to peel with Trump than there was with Clinton, so a Trump Senate trial would probably take longer. 

    I know a lot of you disagree, but I think it'd be a horrible idea to impeach Trump because he won't be convicted in the Senate. Some seem to feel like "Who cares? He deserves to be impeached, so impeach him and let the chips fall where they may." Fair enough, but for those of you that are OBSESSED with seeing him brought down, a Senate acquittal in an impeachment trial will be looked at by the vast majority of the electorate as another failed attempt at bringing him down. Evidence of collusion per the Mueller report? Nope. Evidence of obstruction of justice? Close...but no cigar. Throw in an impeachment that doesn't lead to a conviction, and god help us, HE might start looking like a victim to undecided voters that don't follow this stuff closely (or at all). 
    No you’re wrong most of don’t want him to be impeached just to impeach! This is about following the rule of law period ! Screw the folks who are to stupid to realize there’s a criminal as our president ...
    I said that people think "He deserves to be impeached, so impeach him and let the chips fall where they may." And the reason people think he deserves to be impeached is because he doesn't follow the rule of law. So I'm not wrong. I didn't say "impeach just to impeach." 
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  • The Juggler
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    jeffbr said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    I heard David Jolly make the argument for impeachment RIGHT NOW. Fuck waiting on subpoenas and going to court over executive privileged and all the other stuff Trump will do to slow the process up. There are plenty of things to impeach him on right now. They can have everything wrapped up by Memorial Day. Get everyone to vote on the record. Then you can move on and not have it drag on into the election cycle...
    I was about to comment that I think it would drag on into the election cycle, until I looked up that, regarding Clinton, the House initiated impeachment proceedings in December 1998, and he was acquitted in the Senate on February 12, 1999. Mind you, there'd be more layers to peel with Trump than there was with Clinton, so a Trump Senate trial would probably take longer. 

    I know a lot of you disagree, but I think it'd be a horrible idea to impeach Trump because he won't be convicted in the Senate. Some seem to feel like "Who cares? He deserves to be impeached, so impeach him and let the chips fall where they may." Fair enough, but for those of you that are OBSESSED with seeing him brought down, a Senate acquittal in an impeachment trial will be looked at by the vast majority of the electorate as another failed attempt at bringing him down. Evidence of collusion per the Mueller report? Nope. Evidence of obstruction of justice? Close...but no cigar. Throw in an impeachment that doesn't lead to a conviction, and god help us, HE might start looking like a victim to undecided voters that don't follow this stuff closely (or at all). 
    The problem is, he already is that martyr to some. Look at this 24 year veteran of the FBI and head of a security firm who uses incendiary language to pop off with deep state conspiracy theories and unfounded theories to decide that there was absolutely nothing, nada, zip in the Mueller report in terms of collusion, and that the Mueller team shouldn't have even started looking into obstruction except that they are out to get Trump. And thank goodness, according to this guy, that AG Barr is doing what he does and standing strong. What a pile of manure:
    www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-mueller-report-concludes-it-was-not-needed/ar-BBW8iPl

    Anyway, it isn't just about sticking it to Trump. I want to stick it to the GOP in the Senate who continue to enable Trump and avoid doing their actual job of oversight. I want each of those assholes on record in an impeachment vote, and have that vote used against them in the 2020 elections if their seat is up.
    anyone know how the senators in the Clinton impeachment era fared after voting not guilty?
    Good question. Not sure. I do think the issues at hand this time around are FAR more serious than what took place 20 years ago though. 
    well absolutely. but people who are concerned there could be great political fallout if he were not to be convicted in the senate are basing it on what exactly? just a hunch? or actual stats of how those democrat senators fared after voting not guilty. 
    I don't know. In addition to the reasons for impeachment being apples and oranges, the other difference between now and then is Clinton was immensely more popular than Trump was. His approval rating in his second term, when the impeachment happened, was always in the 50's and 60's. We all know Trump has never gotten anywhere near those numbers. New numbers since the report came out have him below 40% again too...
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    josevolution said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    I heard David Jolly make the argument for impeachment RIGHT NOW. Fuck waiting on subpoenas and going to court over executive privileged and all the other stuff Trump will do to slow the process up. There are plenty of things to impeach him on right now. They can have everything wrapped up by Memorial Day. Get everyone to vote on the record. Then you can move on and not have it drag on into the election cycle...
    I was about to comment that I think it would drag on into the election cycle, until I looked up that, regarding Clinton, the House initiated impeachment proceedings in December 1998, and he was acquitted in the Senate on February 12, 1999. Mind you, there'd be more layers to peel with Trump than there was with Clinton, so a Trump Senate trial would probably take longer. 

    I know a lot of you disagree, but I think it'd be a horrible idea to impeach Trump because he won't be convicted in the Senate. Some seem to feel like "Who cares? He deserves to be impeached, so impeach him and let the chips fall where they may." Fair enough, but for those of you that are OBSESSED with seeing him brought down, a Senate acquittal in an impeachment trial will be looked at by the vast majority of the electorate as another failed attempt at bringing him down. Evidence of collusion per the Mueller report? Nope. Evidence of obstruction of justice? Close...but no cigar. Throw in an impeachment that doesn't lead to a conviction, and god help us, HE might start looking like a victim to undecided voters that don't follow this stuff closely (or at all). 
    No you’re wrong most of don’t want him to be impeached just to impeach! This is about following the rule of law period ! Screw the folks who are to stupid to realize there’s a criminal as our president ...
    I said that people think "He deserves to be impeached, so impeach him and let the chips fall where they may." And the reason people think he deserves to be impeached is because he doesn't follow the rule of law. So I'm not wrong. I didn't say "impeach just to impeach." 
    I stand corrected , carry on 
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