What was important about the AHCA’s collapse, Trump now realizes, were the lessons we all learned along the way:
"I think this is something that certainly was an interesting period of time. We all learned a lot. We learned about loyalty, we learned a lot about the vote-getting process. We learned a lot about some very arcane rules obviously in both the Senate and in the House. " --- What is Trump talking about "we learned". Can't the ass just say, "I" learned. And maybe the people who voted for Trump learned why you don't vote a person who is uneducated about politics, government and healthcare (amongst many other things) into office. It has been a major setback for America. One thing good has come of all of this Trump nonsense -- More Americans are educating themselves about the country, politics and government. Hopefully, it is all for good in the end.
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No matter how cold the winter, there's a springtime ahead...
To be honest, I don't see anything wrong with the truck thing, and think there are a million better things to poke at. All those truckers and trucking industry CEOs seem to be pretty tickled by it - nothing wrong with a POTUS hamming it up a little bit to make people feel more comfortable. If we actually liked the guy and if he wasn't so revolting we'd probably think it was fun and charming.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
The sad thing is, that probably was his "all", given that one thing people have consistently reported on is his inability to stay focused on anything other than himself for any length of time.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Here is the byline on Breitbart... does it shock you that they are blaming Ryan and calling for his replacement? Bannon has been working against Ryan for two years now.
Republican officials in Congress and the White House are now openly discussing finding a GOP replacement to Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) as Speaker of the House, after Ryan failed to pass the American Health Care Act out of the House and misled the public and President Donald Trump when he promised repeatedly the bill would pass.
Here is the byline on Breitbart... does it shock you that they are blaming Ryan and calling for his replacement? Bannon has been working against Ryan for two years now.
Republican officials in Congress and the White House are now openly discussing finding a GOP replacement to Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) as Speaker of the House, after Ryan failed to pass the American Health Care Act out of the House and misled the public and President Donald Trump when he promised repeatedly the bill would pass.
Eating their own! It's like watching the feeding of guppies to prianas. Or a shart stain.
We don't know what to do. We're rudderless in a storm of epic proportions. And we've lost our captain. Man overboard. Thus, screw the women and children, it's every rich white man for himself as all we have is a shart stain. God speed.
I really cannot believe this is going to fail. 7 years, complete power, the best deal maker ever and they can't get it done.
it boggles the mind
Like, I have recently been thinking, maybe I am wrong, maybe they aren't completely dysfunctional and perhaps they know what they are doing (outside of the WH, obviously), but no, nope, they are a bunch of imbeciles
I don't see how Ryan survives as speaker.
To me, this was such a predictable scenario. Trump and the Republican Party are two entities who have been using each other so long as it was convenient. From a publicity perspective, once again Trump's handled this brilliantly. If this gets passed, he takes credit for repealing ObamaCare ("I have unified the various levels of government and done what I promised"). If it doesn't, he gets to claim plausible deniability in having any say in the creation of the bill, and Ryan falls on his sword. With the clear harm to ACA subscribers, Trump's move to distance himself from the bill was wise. Trump walks away from this unscathed, Ryan walks away from it looking weaker - but what about the Republicans as a Party? BS, I'm certainly not aware of the 'sectarian' (at a lack of a better term) divisions within the Republican Party, but I'm curious to hear your opinion on whether this harms them.
What is sad to me is that Trump has continued to show that perception and image matter much more to him than quality control (he couldn't master steaks or education, so seeing him endorse what he originally described as a "wonderful" health care plan doesn't hugely surprise me). I don't think that impacts his ability to get things done or gains/loses him any power, but I do feel that it's a net loss for the country.
I actually don't have the answer right now and I think it remains an open question. The first thing is whether this failure freezes and/or prevents the GOP from moving ahead on other items. It was suggested that Tax reform cannot happen without changes to Obamacare but I have zero idea whether that is true or not. If other agenda items are able to move forward then this shouldn't hurt the GOP too much. The Gorsuch confirmation will certainly be a plus but that cannot be it. Trump was promising bold changes and most specifically with respect to jobs and the economy. In the end "the economy stupid" will be the biggest determination in his and the GOP's future success and/or failure but Obamacare plays a role in that due to it's impact on small business/employment. So there is certainly a chance for harm but it is not the be all and end all "if" they are able to move ahead in other areas. Passing Ryan/Trumpcare just to have a "win" is really a silly way of thinking and I lean more towards the Tom Cotton perspective which is "better to do this right rather than fast". Obamacare was a "win" for Obama which then led to massive electoral defeats...what Republican could want that kind of win? In the short term the narrative of "Trump the deal maker" takes a hit but there should be plenty more deals to make.
Have you ever had the answer, Herr Comrade Professor?
The wealthcare bill, a wholly GOP proposal cleared the Ways and Means and the Energy and Commerce committee on party-line votes after marathon sessions in which NO Dem amendments were accepted. ZERO. This failure is all on them.
The OF's oval office post mortem saying that Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Shumer were the real losers here just reinforces how profoundly uninformed he is about how government works. and that he's an idiot.
I really thought the OF had a death grip on the throat of the US govt, and us by extension but now I see a lot of HYPE followed by failure in his future, just like in his past.
I really cannot believe this is going to fail. 7 years, complete power, the best deal maker ever and they can't get it done.
it boggles the mind
Like, I have recently been thinking, maybe I am wrong, maybe they aren't completely dysfunctional and perhaps they know what they are doing (outside of the WH, obviously), but no, nope, they are a bunch of imbeciles
I don't see how Ryan survives as speaker.
To me, this was such a predictable scenario. Trump and the Republican Party are two entities who have been using each other so long as it was convenient. From a publicity perspective, once again Trump's handled this brilliantly. If this gets passed, he takes credit for repealing ObamaCare ("I have unified the various levels of government and done what I promised"). If it doesn't, he gets to claim plausible deniability in having any say in the creation of the bill, and Ryan falls on his sword. With the clear harm to ACA subscribers, Trump's move to distance himself from the bill was wise. Trump walks away from this unscathed, Ryan walks away from it looking weaker - but what about the Republicans as a Party? BS, I'm certainly not aware of the 'sectarian' (at a lack of a better term) divisions within the Republican Party, but I'm curious to hear your opinion on whether this harms them.
What is sad to me is that Trump has continued to show that perception and image matter much more to him than quality control (he couldn't master steaks or education, so seeing him endorse what he originally described as a "wonderful" health care plan doesn't hugely surprise me). I don't think that impacts his ability to get things done or gains/loses him any power, but I do feel that it's a net loss for the country.
I actually don't have the answer right now and I think it remains an open question. The first thing is whether this failure freezes and/or prevents the GOP from moving ahead on other items. It was suggested that Tax reform cannot happen without changes to Obamacare but I have zero idea whether that is true or not. If other agenda items are able to move forward then this shouldn't hurt the GOP too much. The Gorsuch confirmation will certainly be a plus but that cannot be it. Trump was promising bold changes and most specifically with respect to jobs and the economy. In the end "the economy stupid" will be the biggest determination in his and the GOP's future success and/or failure but Obamacare plays a role in that due to it's impact on small business/employment. So there is certainly a chance for harm but it is not the be all and end all "if" they are able to move ahead in other areas. Passing Ryan/Trumpcare just to have a "win" is really a silly way of thinking and I lean more towards the Tom Cotton perspective which is "better to do this right rather than fast". Obamacare was a "win" for Obama which then led to massive electoral defeats...what Republican could want that kind of win? In the short term the narrative of "Trump the deal maker" takes a hit but there should be plenty more deals to make.
Have you ever had the answer, Herr Comrade Professor?
Hmmm. Well what people usually do is look back to history and see what happened to other Presidents under certain circumstances. So with that being said the last time a president lost on a major health care bill in his first term he ended up losing congress, pivoted and governed in a more conservative direction, won re-election and remained relatively popular even under clouds of scandal due to the strength of the economy. A large enough portion of people continued to like him so much that they later nominated the architect of his failed health care plan to run for president herself. Nobody probably anticipated how that would play out the day Clinton Care died. The brilliant recognize what they don't know. You should try it sometime.
I really cannot believe this is going to fail. 7 years, complete power, the best deal maker ever and they can't get it done.
it boggles the mind
Like, I have recently been thinking, maybe I am wrong, maybe they aren't completely dysfunctional and perhaps they know what they are doing (outside of the WH, obviously), but no, nope, they are a bunch of imbeciles
I don't see how Ryan survives as speaker.
To me, this was such a predictable scenario. Trump and the Republican Party are two entities who have been using each other so long as it was convenient. From a publicity perspective, once again Trump's handled this brilliantly. If this gets passed, he takes credit for repealing ObamaCare ("I have unified the various levels of government and done what I promised"). If it doesn't, he gets to claim plausible deniability in having any say in the creation of the bill, and Ryan falls on his sword. With the clear harm to ACA subscribers, Trump's move to distance himself from the bill was wise. Trump walks away from this unscathed, Ryan walks away from it looking weaker - but what about the Republicans as a Party? BS, I'm certainly not aware of the 'sectarian' (at a lack of a better term) divisions within the Republican Party, but I'm curious to hear your opinion on whether this harms them.
What is sad to me is that Trump has continued to show that perception and image matter much more to him than quality control (he couldn't master steaks or education, so seeing him endorse what he originally described as a "wonderful" health care plan doesn't hugely surprise me). I don't think that impacts his ability to get things done or gains/loses him any power, but I do feel that it's a net loss for the country.
I actually don't have the answer right now and I think it remains an open question. The first thing is whether this failure freezes and/or prevents the GOP from moving ahead on other items. It was suggested that Tax reform cannot happen without changes to Obamacare but I have zero idea whether that is true or not. If other agenda items are able to move forward then this shouldn't hurt the GOP too much. The Gorsuch confirmation will certainly be a plus but that cannot be it. Trump was promising bold changes and most specifically with respect to jobs and the economy. In the end "the economy stupid" will be the biggest determination in his and the GOP's future success and/or failure but Obamacare plays a role in that due to it's impact on small business/employment. So there is certainly a chance for harm but it is not the be all and end all "if" they are able to move ahead in other areas. Passing Ryan/Trumpcare just to have a "win" is really a silly way of thinking and I lean more towards the Tom Cotton perspective which is "better to do this right rather than fast". Obamacare was a "win" for Obama which then led to massive electoral defeats...what Republican could want that kind of win? In the short term the narrative of "Trump the deal maker" takes a hit but there should be plenty more deals to make.
Have you ever had the answer, Herr Comrade Professor?
Hmmm. Well what people usually do is look back to history and see what happened to other Presidents under certain circumstances. So with that being said the last time a president lost on a major health care bill in his first term he ended up losing congress, pivoted and governed in a more conservative direction, won re-election and remained relatively popular even under clouds of scandal due to the strength of the economy. A large enough portion of people continued to like him so much that they later nominated the architect of his failed health care plan to run for president herself. Nobody probably anticipated how that would play out the day Clinton Care died. The brilliant recognize what they don't know. You should try it sometime.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! And despite that? We beat you! Shart he blows!
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What was important about the AHCA’s collapse, Trump now realizes, were the lessons we all learned along the way:
"I think this is something that certainly was an interesting period of time. We all learned a lot. We learned about loyalty, we learned a lot about the vote-getting process. We learned a lot about some very arcane rules obviously in both the Senate and in the House. " --- What is Trump talking about "we learned". Can't the ass just say, "I" learned. And maybe the people who voted for Trump learned why you don't vote a person who is uneducated about politics, government and healthcare (amongst many other things) into office. It has been a major setback for America. One thing good has come of all of this Trump nonsense -- More Americans are educating themselves about the country, politics and government. Hopefully, it is all for good in the end.
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Republican officials in Congress and the White House are now openly discussing finding a GOP replacement to Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) as Speaker of the House, after Ryan failed to pass the American Health Care Act out of the House and misled the public and President Donald Trump when he promised repeatedly the bill would pass.
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/24/politics/paul-ryan-health-care/index.html
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Ttttttttthhhhhhhppppppttttttttttttt, shart.
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The OF's oval office post mortem saying that Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Shumer were the real losers here just reinforces how profoundly uninformed he is about how government works. and that he's an idiot.
You know they let you look at the T without being ON the T.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
that's how I do it.
Maybe the OF can sneak in 18 at Trump National in VA. It's supposed to be 75 degrees today.
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