I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.
BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.
You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?
I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
Yea, sure, because the Obama Administration in the waning months decided to go all rogue. You are a hoot.
It must kill you that the radical, black, Muslim, socialist, Kenyan was so squeaky clean?
Follow the money, from Russia with love, all the way to impeachment. It's coming BS no matter how hard you spin or stamp your feet and say it's all Obama's fault. Now compare the above with those that Trump surrounds himself or associates with. Two dots, professor, can you connect them?
When you call someone a racist it cheapens you on here. Your arguments begin to lose weight. People stop taking you seriously. They laugh at you. What is sad though is that it also makes it difficult to call out real racism where it exists. People start to ignore real racism because they are tired of the vomitous "I don't like what you say so you must hate black muslim kenyan blah blah blah". Your words have actual harm. Those are the dots I can connect.
Care to explain why the one true adjective offended you so much? Rather than the other four that are untrue?
I didn't say I was offended. I said you were cheapened. I said I was laughing at you.
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.
BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.
You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?
I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
Yea, sure, because the Obama Administration in the waning months decided to go all rogue. You are a hoot.
It must kill you that the radical, black, Muslim, socialist, Kenyan was so squeaky clean?
Follow the money, from Russia with love, all the way to impeachment. It's coming BS no matter how hard you spin or stamp your feet and say it's all Obama's fault. Now compare the above with those that Trump surrounds himself or associates with. Two dots, professor, can you connect them?
When you call someone a racist it cheapens you on here. Your arguments begin to lose weight. People stop taking you seriously. They laugh at you. What is sad though is that it also makes it difficult to call out real racism where it exists. People start to ignore real racism because they are tired of the vomitous "I don't like what you say so you must hate black muslim kenyan blah blah blah". Your words have actual harm. Those are the dots I can connect.
Care to explain why the one true adjective offended you so much? Rather than the other four that are untrue?
I didn't say I was offended. I said you were cheapened. I said I was laughing at you.
Funny, I didn't see a HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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I really cannot believe this is going to fail. 7 years, complete power, the best deal maker ever and they can't get it done.
it boggles the mind
Like, I have recently been thinking, maybe I am wrong, maybe they aren't completely dysfunctional and perhaps they know what they are doing (outside of the WH, obviously), but no, nope, they are a bunch of imbeciles
I don't see how Ryan survives as speaker.
To me, this was such a predictable scenario. Trump and the Republican Party are two entities who have been using each other so long as it was convenient. From a publicity perspective, once again Trump's handled this brilliantly. If this gets passed, he takes credit for repealing ObamaCare ("I have unified the various levels of government and done what I promised"). If it doesn't, he gets to claim plausible deniability in having any say in the creation of the bill, and Ryan falls on his sword. With the clear harm to ACA subscribers, Trump's move to distance himself from the bill was wise. Trump walks away from this unscathed, Ryan walks away from it looking weaker - but what about the Republicans as a Party? BS, I'm certainly not aware of the 'sectarian' (at a lack of a better term) divisions within the Republican Party, but I'm curious to hear your opinion on whether this harms them.
What is sad to me is that Trump has continued to show that perception and image matter much more to him than quality control (he couldn't master steaks or education, so seeing him endorse what he originally described as a "wonderful" health care plan doesn't hugely surprise me). I don't think that impacts his ability to get things done or gains/loses him any power, but I do feel that it's a net loss for the country.
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When Obama wanted his health care plan passed, he spent a full year traveling around the country and making a case to voters. He could tell Joe Bob in Iowa, "I understand you're having a problem with XYZ. Here's how my plan would seek to address that."
He did that for a full year.
This president does not seem as invested in this health care bill, except for we just get it over with so we can move on. He's forcing them to ram-rod it through, and doesn't seem interested in what has to happen, policy-wise, to get that done. I doubt he even knows what's in it, policy-wise.
All we've heard from Trump on this is "Obamacare is a disaster" -- OK, well, tell us how? What are the problems with it, as you see it? Who is it a problem for? Lay it out.
And "This plan is going to be great" -- again, tell us how? What issues that you had with Obamacare does your bill address? If you see it's going to make my medical care better, tell me how.
Trump has done none of that, and that's partly what's killing the bill, or at least making it politically untenable. The public hates this bill. Nobody buying it, because nobody is out there selling it. Trump might be a fine negotiator behind the closed doors of the boardroom, but a huge part of being president is making a sales pitch to a skeptical public. He doesn't seem to know how to do that.
This hurts Trump with Joe Q Voter big time... only weird fold like us give a shit about the details such as speakers & such
Now, about those Rubles
Will be interesting to see how this unfolds. Trump supporters have so far believed everything he had to say, so if he says it's the Democrats' fault, they might believe him.
Or he could just blame Paul Ryan or the Freedom Caucus for not even being able to get a bill to his desk. If you're Team Trump, I suspect you'll buy that.
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for the least they could possibly do
Dems need to introduce some ACA reforms for optics immediately. Fix what's broken
I agree completely..But they need to make a big presser out of it. They should have done it before, even if it gets killed in committee. Put it on record and run on it.
Dems need to introduce some ACA reforms for optics immediately. Fix what's broken
Yes. Such a bill would also go down in flames but for optics I think this would be a good idea. I don't think anyone believes the ACA is a perfect program functioning smoothly. So show you're willing to work on it.
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for the least they could possibly do
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HA. You have all three branches of government!
Imagine if Obama exploded though? haha.
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What is sad to me is that Trump has continued to show that perception and image matter much more to him than quality control (he couldn't master steaks or education, so seeing him endorse what he originally described as a "wonderful" health care plan doesn't hugely surprise me). I don't think that impacts his ability to get things done or gains/loses him any power, but I do feel that it's a net loss for the country.
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Now, about those Rubles
I bet Trump still has no idea what the bill would have changed.
Or he could just blame Paul Ryan or the Freedom Caucus for not even being able to get a bill to his desk. If you're Team Trump, I suspect you'll buy that.
for the least they could possibly do
for the least they could possibly do